>Openly declare an incestuous sexual relationship
>Every character except one, including the parents, are totally fine with it
What kind of piss-jar basement-dwelling neckbearded fedora autist does the writer have to be to envision this as the likely outcome?
What series is that? Cause if I'm remembering right, the Oreo doesn't explicitly state that the parents are ok with their kids fucking.
Their parents don't know and Ayase and Saori are against it but tolerate it because they are friends which is understandable, would you break up with your friends because they are engaged in incest?
The same boat full of people who hated the series since S1? The same boat of people who picked up the show just for the anime commentary? The same boat as the Manamifags? The same boat as the people who didn't bother watching S2 once the novel spoilers were everywhere?
you need to internet more, you haven't been desensitized enough yet.
Only if you look at other girls besides me, anon-kun.
But that won't eVEr happen... right sweetie? Ahahahaa...
In this world where it is now against the law to not be homosexual, it is actually a basement-dwelling person who would not know that it is absolutely alright to be incestuous also.
Nobody is really fine with it, not even her herself until the end. Kirino is either their dindunuffin meal ticket kid or their friend so things drift along for her sake with a shrug at the end.
and moved him out too for a while
>Ayase and Saori are against it but tolerate it because they are friends
I never watched Oreimo past season 1 but I remember Ayase freaking out because Kirino watches anime.
Yet you're telling me she's ok with sibling fucking each other? What kind of moral lesson is this?
We never really see her react to it beyond Kyousuke rejecting her confession by saying there's someone else he likes. She may not know that they're actually fucking, and if she does she's definitely denying it.
Ayase can be patient because she wins in the end.
The bitch wasn't really against the anime, she was jealous and afraid that different hobbies would stand between them. That 'otaku are murders' was just and excuse. Later she panics just because Kirino played with a game more than spend time with her.
>not a single person had a positive reaction to it, they simply tolerated it
>they didn't even try telling their parents because they knew it was futile
Yeah no. I get that it's cool to hate on oreimo, but you're just delusional.
No. Kirino is loved because she's Kirino. The imouto factor is a great plus, though.
Oh, and Manami a shit.
That's a stupid thing to do. I can understand telling their parents if they're dealing drugs or some shit but they're merely fucking their sisters. It's gross at most and telling on them only really makes you an asshole.
I knew this was coming. It's still bullshit, no matter how often you say it.
>totally fine with it
We've basically had one up all week. Give it a rest.
Kirino overload. That is multiple times more Kirino than the legal limit.
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I'm glad we're having this thread because it saves me the effort of making one myself.
I've just finished watching the second season which I've been putting off since about it finished airing and obviously having spent so much time on /a/ spoilers were unavoidable, but I tried my best to evade them. I had a rough idea on what was going to happen, but was still wholly unprepared for how absolutely shitty the ending was. I mean it was really fucking bad, worst of all you lied to me /a/, you all kept saying kirino wins, but in reality nobody won.
NOBODY FUCKING WON.
Everybody lost, sure there's Kyousuke who lost the worst and there's Kirino who lost so little it barely registers, but all things considered everybody still lost. At this point I reallly can't decide if I'm mad because the series got me emotionally invested or because it was just offensively stupid. I mean holy shit in hindsight pretty much everything was pointless, Jesus Tapdancing Erogeplaying Christ what was the purpose of all this shit.
How hard does this series have to try to make me hate literally every character what the fuck asaklajsakfkasfaksdasdasdaslkdaksdlahdkalscnalkclqdsa.
Why? Why? Why? Why?
But they were not.
Kuroneko was pissed but accepted it because both of them are her friends.
Saori said she think they took it too far but she rather stay quiet.
Manami was Manami.
Kyousuke said it's better not talking about Ayase's reaction.
And nobody was that stupid to tell it to Kanako.
How is her being tsundere a cop-out?
It's not very vague, just think about her problems in volume 1 or 5, where she needed Kyousuke to help her otherwise she wouldn't be able to do anything.
Kirinofag here. She's a bit of a bitch to her brother and his childhood friend. She also has massive emotional issues that stem from childhood trauma, and caused a porn addiction and hobby that she lies to all of her friends about.
Kirino's only superficially perfect. A lot of stuff on the inside is fucked up, and she hides it and runs from it as much as she can.
Consider a situation in which Kirino got a lover (other than Kyousuke) or very close non-otaku friend. How long could she hide her deep seeded issues and self detrimental hobbies, and how hard would it be for her to overcome them?
She's definitely not perfect.
I'm running out of disk space and oreimo is a show I'm thinking of deleting, but I'm only around ep 9 of s1 and got sidetracked. Does it get any better from here on or can I delete it without regret?
If you haven't finished it after all this time just go delete it faggot
>set in a school
>there are no men in the school
>the girls live on their own or their parents are barely ever around
>pantsu pantsu pantsu pantsu pantsu pantsu
>they're all close lesbians
I just want to watch a slice of life without all this bullshit
Everything will be fine, don't worry.
>hobby she lies to her friends about
the problem is that there is literally no backlash to this. i think ayase is kinda weirded out, but nothing SERIOUS ever happens. and i'm going to say it again, the anime and erogames she enjoys is what her fanbase LIKE about her, so by even creating a consequence from liking anime or erogames, they, the creators, would lose the otaku fanbase by telling them it's wrong. no serious consequences ever happen in this anime. it's absolutely annoying.
if she got a lover other than kyousuke, which would be way more realistic, then the anime would have showed her growth as a character by having her learn self-acceptance and realizing that hobbies do not determine whether you are a good person. she can be happy, play porn games, and like anime at the same time. if people don't accept that, then she doesn't have to be with them.
You forgot how she's also a genius writer and her fellow writefag friend is shit compared to her, and anime studios behave like assholes because they are "jealous" of her talent, and in general every person that dislikes her in some way is pure evil.
It was pretty good up until volume 9, then it was just a rollercoaster of pain and suffering. That being said I'm sick of this whole "nuuuuh, you can't judge it based on the adaptation you have to read the whole source material first" well fuck you, what does it add that magically makes it better than the adaptation? A few unimportant scenes they had to cut due to time constraints?
In the first place comparing light novels based on how "well written" they are is a futile because the entire "genre (or whatever you want to call it) is generally written in a simplistic language amied at ronery or horny teenagers. I doubt there's a magical hidden leap in quality that's hidden before all, but the chosen few who bother to read the shitty LNs.
what personal criteria? think about idols in japan for a second. it's actually a big boost in popularity for an idol if they say they like anime or manga. kirino's flaws are basically positive for her character.
I can post Haruhi in any thread I want!
You said her negative traits don't count because the series doesn't show bad backlashes /which it does, though not that much) which is stupid as it doesn't negate her problems.
I'll raise you up by one Kirino mosaic of kirinos.
>tfw it's still not enough of her
Kuroneko is the most flagrant though.
Many of the other characters contain traits that otaku dislike or even despise.
Kuroneko is literally #1 perfect waifu who is quirky, hopelessly devoted and will never leave me because she's socially retarded and afraid of other men.
If you really want to go down that road: Manami actually fits that role way better. Consider the fact that otaku chuuni type characters are nowhere near as common or popular as domestic deredere types, the latter being the true otaku ideal.
>Manami has flaws.
What flaws? Name one that doesn't involve her being the antagonist for having common sense. I do agree that they made Kuroneko seem way too perfect, but she showed more weakness than Manami ever did.
>meets Sakurai for the first time in volume 12
>promptly tells her that she and Kyousuke are dating
I love her, but Kirino can be incredibly fucking dumb sometimes. Good thing Sakurai was okay with it
>boring and a psychopath and a maipulative
Well that seems a little contradictory. Plus you guys go way overboard with making her seem like some kind of 'just as planned, I am behind you now' mad genious when that really doesn't seem the case from where I'm standing.
She didn't want Sakurai turning into another girl with false hope of dating Kyousuke.
Also they had met before, she was the one who linked Kyousuke up with Sakurai. Maybe she knew she could be trusted.
Still yeah, probably a stupid choice.
It's not really contradictory, aside from wanting to make Kyousuke fall for her she's incredibly boring, like Kyousuke said about 500 times throughout the entire series. I never said anything about her being an evil genious or puppeteer, just that she manipulated the people around her for her selfish reasons.
>You forgot how she's also a genius writer
She's not. It's stated multiple times that she's kind of a shitty writer, it's just that one particular editor has a boner for her work and her story got popular with other young girls with no discerning taste.
I can agree that it's a poorly written anime.
Kuroneko has a downside then. She helped a shitty writer get her work published, just because she was a friend. She is a pleb.
Jokes aside, the show had some great parts now that I'm remembering it. This was one of them.
For one, she's an out of shape fatty. Although this wasn't portrayed very well as they actually made her pretty slim in the anime.
Then there's the whole vindictive manipulation thing, which I admit some people blow out of proportion, but even stranger is the fact that some people refuse to admit is even present in her character.
Are you the one from the last thread who continuously tried to defend her and said that she only cared about Kyousuke and wanted to help the siblings and that the whole manipulation thing was just something that happened unintended?
How can you claim she's not manipulative?
She capitalised on Kyousuke's depression caused by his failures and the death of his grandmother to mold him into the type of person she prefers.
She is a textbook manipulator.
Yeah, but at that scene if I remember correctly she made a monologue about even though she was jealous, she would help. So I guess that flaw turned into an even better asset, that she can fight her flaws.
Also, what was she jealous of her exactly again? I mean, she had some pride in her hipsteriness, didn't she?
Obviously of Kirino's success, she believed that her book was great and Kirino's garbage and at one moment she even came to the point where she didn't want Kirino to succeed. In the end she did help Kirino get her novel back but the whole chapter showed how self-centered and arrogant she can think.
I liked the comparison bewteen Ruri and Fate, the thing that seperates these 2 is that Ruri is not totally alone but managed to get some friends who support her so she won't go the route Fate did. It also shows that holding onto your chuuni side leads to a bad life and a shitty job, Kuroneko will have to grow out of her delusions.
I didn't mind her when she was just an abrasive chuuni side character. But the relationship shit was painful.
And then I learned about her fans. Fuck, they are the most cancerous scum.
You don't understand the complex heart of Ayase.
Ayase actually knows how Kirino feels and on at least one occasion gets mad at Kyousuke for not understanding that Kirino loves him.
Hello, my dearest Kirinofag brothers.
It's great getting up every morning knowing how great our taste is, isn't it?
Let's keep going with this Kirino thread.
Kirino is perfection.
I want to fuck Kirino senseless until she calls me "onii-chan" and begs me to cum inside her.
Does anyone else think Kyousuke should have got together with her? I honestly thought they were at least hinting at a romance when they first met, as they both seem like the most mature people in that group of theirs. I know later it turns out she's 14 or some bullshit age but she and seemed to hit it off with Kyousuke.
Also the fact that a 18 year old guy is hanging out with a bunch of 14 year olds and trying to get into their pants is sketchy as fuck.
I blame the award-winning, incest-enabling, anime-saving ass.
The problem isn't when it happens once or twice The problem shows up when you have generation after generation of it. Then you start getting really inbred children.
Also, this is a probability game. Of course anyone can have kids with genetic issues. Its just more likely with close relatives.
I agree that incest is stigmatised for a reason, but that we don't stigmatise old people who have kids or disabled people who have kids. We're hypocritical in that regard, because eugenics is considered bad and is associated with the nazis. Anti-Incest laws are basically the last forms of eugenics we practice on a societal level.
Not strictly disagreeing with you, but there's no way you can possibly tell that. The stigma against incest is ingrained very deeply in western culture, and you really couldn't make such a conclusion without observing a culture without such a stigma (assuming any exist).
I'm late for the Kirino thread?! Aww.
feels good being patrician
There is only one correct choice here.
stop being the cancer killing 4chan maybe you won't be so sad
The stigma exists because people are fucking stupid and are armchair geneticists that once heard a joke about sister-fucking producing mutants 100% of the time so now they think that's the reality.
Incest between two consulting adults hurts literally zero people.
Because the anger it produced was fantastic.
>series called My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute
>guy fucks his sister
>WHOA WHAT THE FUCK THIS ISN'T OKAY THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED WAAAAH WAAAAH
The stigma exists because continued, generation after generation inbreeding leads to genetic defects. People noticed this and started to create stigmas against incest to prevent this from occurring.
Why couldn't this have stayed a lighthearted spoof of anime culture, with only rare joking references to incest? Why'd it have to all turn to shit?
Why'd they have to ruin best girl Manami?
You sound like the same kind of gaylord who overanalyzed MEMEME huh?
Because that would be a different show. How you people manage to forget this when its literally called "My little sister can't be this cute!" is beyond me. What did you expect going into it? Mecha?
I'm now picturing that guy as a dense harem MC. He probably finished typing his post and turned to his half naked elf sister and said "haha, that would never happen to us! We're all about our subtle jokes! haha!" while she attempts to undo his belt.
Ayase knew Kirino was affectionate towards her brother and desired attention from him, but she didn't know she was in love with him, at least not back then. If you actually think that, you haven't thought about it. Ayase ditched Kirino the moment she caught her as an otaku. What the fuck do you have to be smoking to think she would have known and been perfectly fine with Kirino being deeply in love with her own sibling? That's exactly the kind of thing that Ayase detested and thought anime and VNs caused.
This might have changed later as obviously she eventually knew how Kirino felt as evidenced in the V12 prologue, but I don't think she fully understood it, or she might have misinterpreted it as normal sibling affection, just like so many in the series did.
It could have been a totally different show.
>someone doesn't like the light novels so I'll assume they didn't read the whole thing
Perhaps I shouldn't use worst. But really it's average. Not the best like the worshippers think it is but not the worst that the haters say.
I'm pretty sure that happens in Akane-iro ni somaru saka.
Or something. The imouto wins again too.
This show, along with most anime, is not supposed to be realistic. The reason why anime appeal is so great is because it largely does not bother with the norms of society, but the unfulfilled desires of the audience.
Almost all fictional media does this same, but to a much lesser extent.
Are you retarded? I was saying you don't read much in general. As in books. Not as in the series. Dumbass.
But yes, you are correct in that it's average. I have never seen anyone call it the best anything though other than people jokingly calling it THE BEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD
But it is the greatest love story ever told.
No, that's still a shallow analysis of Ayase's character. She may have said she hated anime (and she certainly hated the gross kind of otaku) but she was actually scared about losing Kirino to the hobby.
Also being an otaku =/= incest
They're completely different.
Oh you meant other books. Yeah I do read other books. Kind of interpreted that the wrong way. Made myself look like an asswipe for a bit. Sorry. >>122813476
This just proves my point about the worshippers (mainly the pic).
You realize Ayase was clearly creeped out about incest too, right? That's exactly what Kyousuke took advantage of in pic related. You're right that part of her fear was losing Kirino to the hobby but that certainly wasn't all of it, she was scared of it's influence and the kind of behavior it induced, and even called it gross at least once. There is definitely a connection between incest and otaku to Ayase, they're both taboo and "gross", which is basically what turned her off to Kirino when she found out. You're basically saying that Kirino could have said "I want to fuck my brother" and Ayase would say "Okay" and think nothing of it, which contradicts the fact that she's concerned about the influence that all the pornographic games and doujins she reads have on her.
Ayase knowing and approving just makes no sense. You clearly haven't thought about it.
There's an element of interpretation since we don't see how Ayase acts when it's all out in the open. But we do know Ayase is capable of holding two conflicting beliefs at the same time (I love onii-san/Onii-san is the worst I want to kill him).
No, Kirino couldn't just outright say it and have Ayase accept it. But she does gradually accept things just like how she's willing to buy otaku goods for Kirino by the end of the series. If her stance against encouraging the hobby was as absolute as you claim that would be impossible.
A "negative" trait isn't actually negative unless it actually has negative repercussions within the story. That's what the whole concept of a "nominal flaw" is. You give characters flaws because it creates conflict and friction, if this does not occur then the flaw has no reason to be there. This is a recurring problem in all sorts of media, I can't tell you how many shitty characters there are who are "clumsy", and yet never seem to suffer from this aside from stumbling into their love interest's arms.
I'm not denying her character development, I'm just saying I don't think she knew Kirino was actually in love with Kyousuke, at least before the second half of the series. If she did, she would have acted differently. However given their closeness she no doubt knew to some degree about how Kirino felt, perhaps interpreting it as Kirino being jealous/unacknowledged by her sibling.
I also think that pic related shouldn't -necessarily- be considered Ayase's words, since Fushimi used the characters in these extras as his 'voice' to express things the anime failed to convey, like all kinds of foreshadowings. He even practically admits it in one of the early commentaries, where Saori acts totally out of character and then she admits that since these are just extras, it's not really canon.
That's what I think, it's all down to interpreting how much she knew and how conscious she was about what she knew.
Kuroneko knew almost everything about Kirino and Kyousuke's feelings so I have trouble believing that Ayase, who had been friends with Kirino for longer, wouldn't understand on some level that Kirino *love* loved her brother.
>liking Oreimo means you weant to fuck your sister
When will this stop?
Oh, Ayase has ways of finding things out.
it's not only about that, but because of what levi-strauss says. Look it up, the guy has legitimate reasons why incest is forbidden even in tribes that doesn't even have a written language.
tough laws.. where do you live? here where i live 10-15 years you get for murder.
if i remember well here where i live they simply cannot marry each other. I don't think we have some law against them having sex. If we do it is more about protecting the child somehow.
I don't think you realize how simple minded you are.
The stigma exists in tribes according to Levi-Straus as a measure promoting diversity, marrying outside your tribe. Westmark etc etc we've all heard this before.
The debate is whether incest should still be stigmatised and the answer is maybe. Depends on the case.
There are an unbelievable amount of people compared to when we were just wandering tribes. We have no problems with genetic diversity. We are able to understand the risks and have the means to mitigate them almost completely.
So why shouldn't the taboo be reviewed in modern times? Certainly we shouldn't just accept instincts that arose for outdated reasons for the same reason we can't just let people commit rape and murder just because of their base instincts.
Feels good having logical laws regarding incest.
I know what you mean, I hate living in the only country where violence happens and guns exist. I can't wait till I can move to Japan where all the girls will fawn over me and I can wear kimonos while I jack off to anime about siblings jabbing at each other's genitals.
In Ireland you can technically catch Life Imprisonment.
Yeah, they are very repetitive. Like how people insist that gathering any amount of enjoyment from a particular series means you want to thrust in and out of your own flesh and blood like a jackhammer.
the tribes also saw the amount of trouble that incestuous relationships causes. To begin with you have something without any kind of order. You have the first guy, the father, and then a lot of people with strange relationships with one another. Another problem is what happened to men in those tribes. Kicked out, killed, the 'tribe' will exist only because of the father's needs.
there is also the debate if you should marry/have sex with someone that you raised yourself. You could make the person believe whatever you say. You could make/force her to love you. There is no way to tell if this is happening or not.
if you do not stigmatize, you allow it to happen again. Who would stop a father from going in the middle of nowhere and start his own tribe by alienating his daughters? you can't allow that by law.
>if you do not stigmatize, you allow it to happen again.
On the contrary, if you stigmatise it, all the bad things will happen out of sight and people will deny it happens at all.
It does. And people fail to recognise pedophiles because they don't believe they exist.
I wouldn't argue for decriminalising that because there's issues of consent.
Again, what two consenting adults shouldn't be a crime just because we're scared of avoidable consequences.
Too much to list. Lots of Kirino dere moments, literally truckloads of foreshadowing, ALL of Kyousuke's character development, and many critical plot threads about Manami and their backstory that helps explain how things came to be.
The sum of all of it missing means the siblings seem less suitable for each other in the end. You don't get to see their feelings for each other develop, you don't get to see why they developed, and you don't get to know exactly why they choose to pursue a relationship. And aside from the changes to the ending on the surface, when you lose all this it makes it harder to understand the significance of the ending.
There's other smaller things too, like Ayase falling in love with Kyousuke or Kuroneko being simplified as a character in order to better ship her with Kyousuke.
> we're scared of avoidable consequences.
as i explained in the other post, there are unavoidable consequences because there is no way to legally stop a guy from creating his own 'tribe' in the middle of nowhere alienating his daughters and fucking them every day and kicking out his sons.
Perspective. We're not unfree.
We have more options than our ancestors ever had. And all we need to do is say the right words, find a spot in society. Most of us could even give it all up, find somewhere remote and eschew society.
Okay, that is just far too weirdly specific to be a legislative reason.
Also, we can't really prevent people doing that now. We can't even prevent people marrying their adopted daughters.
You mitigate issues like that.
Being illegal has never stopped anyone anyway.
I was satisfied with the anime, so I don't need to read the LN to make up for that.
I'm just curious about some of the specific scenes that /a/ thinks needed to be included for a proper adaptation, and why they think that. It seems like it would be easy to come up with a specific example or two given how big of a change it would have had on the show.
> legislative reason.
as i said, there are tribes that doesn't even have written language that forbids incest. If i were to say, there is a reason, but it is not the legislative reason. They probably said "well.. it is forbidden.... because of all that!". But anyway, Levi-strauss, and all the genetic bullshit, is very serious.
> Also, we can't really prevent people doing that now. We can't even prevent people marrying their adopted daughters.
yes, we can. Legally we can. At least where i live, and we have cases of people being arrested for that.
> Being illegal has never stopped anyone anyway.
doesn't mean it shouldn't be illegal. The problem is the... risk of shit happening when you make it legal. If there is the risk, you avoid it with law. It's that simple.
there is also another thing minimally related that i don't really buy it but people argue: some of them ask why is it so difficult to allow same sex marriage. It all goes to chaos. Then, you allow incestual marriage. Then, more than one marriage, then marriage with objects and like marriage loses it's purpose (by the way stupid marriages like your dog, or yourself, are already possible in some places).
In short, all of them.
Just look at the moving party:
There's more details at every point. The whole tone changes and you can feel the intent of the story.
After that we actually find out what the deal with that girl stalking Ayase is. Ayase and Kyousuke are left holding a baby together for Fate. And of course, Sakurai appears which is like a whole volume worth of material gone. We also see more of Kirino and Kyousuke as children.
I'm not going to refute your points individually. You're just making slippery slope arguments and using your limited world-view as perspective for how everything must be. You basically think same-sex marriage has put us on an inevitable path to meaningless unions which is plain wrong on numerous levels.
>hat kind of piss-jar basement-dwelling neckbearded fedora autist does the writer have to be to envision this as the likely outcome?
h-h-h-h-hello anonymous poster! D-d-d-d-do you have any problems with my writing?
Sorry, anon, but I couldn't come up with a better way to describe people who can't even understand the narrative of a Chinese cartoon that spends half of its runtime zooming in on imoutobutt.
>THERE IS NO WISH FULFILLMENT BULLSHIT ALLOWED
But why? Are you new to this fucking medium? Besides
>le ebin fedora neckbeard memes
I get that there's a reason for them, but holy shit if it doesn't make you look like a faggot. The fact that anyone is posting in this bait thread, and that it's still up is bullshit.
>The fact that anyone is posting in this bait thread
No, it's our MO.
A lot of people hate the series but the fans love the series enough that we can convert almost any thread into a discussion.
Or we could just post more Kirino but that's a strategic weapon, like using a nuclear bomb.
Sometimes I love Kirino's character design
And if you studied an ounce of demographic genetics, you'd know that direct inbreeding between siblings is the fastest route to offspring with homozygous genotypes. And the odds of a homozygote having 'less-than-ideal' phenotypes are reasonably high.
Not that phylogenetics is going to stop le 4chin lusting over their imaginary imouto or anything, I'm just throwing this out here because your post is factually wrong.
She just had an electra complex. And while I liked Usagi Drop, and though the ending could have been done better, I still love the asspain that it caused and still causes, like with this series.
Your post is factually right except for the part where you said the other post is wrong.
There really are swarms of armchair geneticists around here who believe incest will always produce a mutant baby, a fact a learned fellow like you has to acknowledge is wrong.
This guys right, you're basically 100% genetically similar to siblings if you share biological parents, now, your mother/father on the other hand, is only ever going to realisitically be 50-60% genetically related to you and is pretty much the same chance of genetic fuckuperry as two normal nonblood related 30year olds having children.
I know, I still dislike that bait threads are even left up. The fact that people don't give a shit and try to discuss the series is nice and all, but the fact that those threads are made and let up for so long at all is dumb.
Well, Fushimi did not omit her flaws, they are still there and Kirino acts according to them. In the canon story she might not have suffered consequences but that doesn't mean she never will.
That happened in my state.
The funny thing about "pioneers" setting up in the middle of nowhere is that they like having access back to civilization rather than going completely without outside resources, and that's a great artery for the family to eventually get out and set the troopers on the rapey abusive father in question.
I just used that in regards to the phrase "literally zero people." There's statistical and experimental evidence that incest is detrimental to the overall health of a population, regardless of how large the gene pool is.
Sage is no longer used effectively. People are unable to ignore shitposting. Your ideal solution is simply impractical. The thread won't go away, so we might as well make the best of it.
Reminds me of this eroge where if the MC goes down his blood-related sister's route everyone including the MC's mother immediately accepts it. Only the blonde loli is shocked by it but after seeing that everyone else is fine with it she sort of goes along with it too.
Mathematically, parent-child and sibling-sibling mating has the same likelihood of passing allele pairs that are totally identical by descent, which is 25%. This doesn't factor in harmful alleles that are widespread outside of the one parental line, though.
Sadly, that's probably most VNs. Although I liked the reason why that's the case in Ikikoi.
Oreimo is more realistic than most because of how the characters interact, but few go as hardline realistic as Koi Kaze.
The MC's mother is angry when she first catches them in bed together, but then she reveals to them that she and their father were blood-related siblings too so she's OK with them being together.
Any homozygous genotype that happens to be the only non-lethal allele pair will typically have fixed the allele permanently long ago, so gaining selective advantage through inbreeding is unlikely on that front.
And the odds of a random familial germ-line mutation being beneficial are also exceedingly low compared to the chance of it causing a flawed gene product and/or disease instead.
People like to fuck. People also like to fuck with the intent to procreate. Human society pressures us to wait for a stable livelihood before we even consider procreation. The instinctive desire to pass your genes on is far stronger than most counterarguments science could demonstrate. Thus people 'compromising' when it comes to reproduction - in both senses of the word.
But old people having a higher rate of developmentally flawed children is a problem that is entirely independent of the reasons why incest is forcefully discouraged.
What I don't understand is why there's so many normalfags in this thread. They found /a/ against the odds then found this thread against logic.
To be honest, seeing how Ayase was set up as bipolar yandere, from the start I thought she's being set up as the "official" winner... the only girl capable of simultaneously
- loving Kyousuke
- hating him for having "bad influence" on Kirino
- loving Kirino to the point of accepting she ALSO has an intimate relationship with her own brother
Or well, maybe not simultaneously but switching between each of those deredere/yandere-modes.
sorta like in there - I half expected the story to go in the "you're the only one Kirino will accept, and the only one who can rival me in my feelings for Kirino".
Kuroneko and that fucking bitch Manami suffering, on top of a "crazy 2p" ending, would be the icing on the cake.
Kyousuke just blowing each and every girl off the water was a complete asspull for me.
He only loved Kirino, though. He liked parts of the other girls because and only because they resembled Kirino.
And It's a shame Ayase was made a "bipolar yandere" in the anime. I don't remember her like that in the LN.
With eastern europe at war, even pure-blood WASP types can disappear and reemerge with brand new identities - that are NOT related - for money that's not really significant, on western scales. Anyone with enough latino or african blood could have done it before, due to wars in respective areas.
To give you an idea: 2,5 years ago, you could become a general of the ukrainian army if you could afford $10,000 bribe. Now, such high-profile things are no longer possible, but identities, university diplomas etc. can still be arranged, and since the arrangers don't forge them but simply create your records in the real, official registries, questioning those later down the road is next to impossible.
Sure, gonna take some planning and several years to get back out of the boonies legally (as you will be finding yourself in a position of war refugee/immigrant from there), but it can be done in a space of few years. Faster if one of you has a trendy profession, like a doctor or a coder (particularly for mobile platforms, or java).
Once you're related on paper, you can go ahead... and just stay off the radar of anyone who might recognize you. Which also can be handled, by cheap plastic surgery clinics down in the eastern europe.
because laws are made based on emotional appeal, not logic. Moreover, this isn't an issue that affects the vast majority of people, so the only ones who speak up are typically against it.