EG Demonbane vs Stick
Who would win?
The stick is actually easy to beat.
Just get a cyclotron and vaporize all the atoms.
>billions of subatomic stick particles
>scattered out into the subatomic universe
>become the building blocks of disparate matter all across creation
Congratulation, the universe is now stick.
Why would anyone want to beat Demonbane?
Are you all Nyarlathotep sympathizers?
That's not a stick, anonymous. That's a series of 1s and 0s interpreted by your computer, which then instructs the light diodes on your monitor to glow in the shape of a stick.
But can you really negate omnipotence? If it can be negated or countered, it's not omnipotent.
Wait. Wait-wait-wait. Hold the fuck on.
So EG DemonBane is a bunch of ink on paper.
Sticks are from a tree. Tree wood is used for paper.
Ink EG Demonbane confirmed for taking control of stick.
>ink absorbs and becomes one with body of water
>water grows stick into tree
>tree is now more powerful than ever, but ink is also more deeply ingrained into tree than ever
Not sure. Can I have a hint? I'd like to use one of my lifelines.
>implying they would negate
>implying that if they did the effect would reverse and both stick and antistick wouldn't return to war against EGD
If -1+1=0 then both states have an equal validity. EGD mearly stalls for time. The return of stick is statistically inevitable. He will seek EDG for as long as it exists phasing in and out of existence as EGD tried hurriedly to deny it, never tiring, always watching.
What does the anti stick do? Is it just the opposite of the stick? What does the opposite of the normal stick mean? Does it have other worldly properties? Where can we find more Anti-Sticks? If I hold the anti stick, will it hurt?
>no matter how many times you break stick it just becomes more sticks XD le invincible
>BUT IF YOU DIVIDE INK IT JUST STOPS EXISTING
But demonbane can just invoke some demonbane that has anti-anti-omnipotence traits.
Stick wins everytime because an actual 3d-world object can easily break or rip any piece of paper or computer the character is on. Powerlevel threads are faggotry and you should be ashamed of it, nerd.
The stick is now the MC of the last anime you watched. What happens?
Anti-stick was once a part of the stick clan that reached the furthest of stick potential, but in doing so realized that endless expansion of stick potential would eventually lead to the destruction of the universe, and chose to forsake its stickhood and turn against its stick brethren, to ensure that no stick could ever become the stick nemesis.
Stick wins more glory than Galfa and is hired by the church instead. Unlike Galfa stick finishes the job. Maria loses all magic and is burnt at the stake.
Still mad about Galfa rape. I didn't sign up for that shit.
>we hate /v/ and reddit and all those other boogeymen because they're a bunch of stupid meme spamming faggots!
>but this is totally different!
So this is how the end begins. I'm glad moot isn't alive to see what he once considered the best board die.
/sci/ debated about this for years with no conclusive results. Maybe /a/ can solve it?
No, because the stick doesn't have the "Being stronger than demonbane" ability. Only Demonbane bane has that ability. And Demonbane is stronger than anything that isn't stronger than demonbane, so demonbane is stronger than the not demonbane bane ability having stick.
MAYBE ON LAND. IN THE SEA THE OCTOPI AND SQUIDS REIGN SUPREME.
It must be a draw, both would be obliterated.
Anti-stick is everything Stick isn't, and Stick is everything anti Stick can't be. They cancel each other out, therefore removing each other from existence, and bringing balance to the universe.
The stick can't win because it has no will, nor can it be defeated. Therefore, a battle between demonbane and a stick, no matter what each of them do, can end in nothing but a draw.
Man actually being a Demonbane fan on /a/ is weird.
Stop talking about my giant robot you weird people.
>Stick is an inanimate object void of thoughts
>EG Demonbane is a sentient being
>Stick has no concept of loss or defeat
>EG Demonbane does, but is too strong to lose
>Stick cannot die, or admit defeat due to it being an object
>EG Demonbane can, but is to overpowered
>The fight would go on for eternity
>Stick isn't sentient, so it doesn't matter how long the battle goes no matter what
>EG Demonbane is sentient, therefore, either hase to continue to fight stick for an eternity or to admit defeat, considering he's the only one of the two that can.
Ice is at most around -273 degrees Celsius.
Lava is at least 700 degrees Celsius.
You have to know at which temperature lava becomes solid and from there is just to calculate how much you would need to add in calories to the ice sun until it starts to melt, calculate the amount of calories to make it melt completely then calculate the end temperature and see if it will boil totally.
At lava's side, you would need to calculate how much calories would lose, then how much calories it would need to get solid (need to know the heat in which it changes states from and if you can consider it a 'liquid") and then how much temperature it would lose.
Two possibilitites: either the ice sun melts completely and stay as water or it even boils completely. Anyone willing to try can do it so why those lazy bums at /sci/ weren't able to do it?
>Matter cannot be created or destroyed, it's the law of the universe
I know this is deliberate stupidity, but Demonbane doesn't abide by laws. The universe Demonbane is set in is modeled on Lovecraft, and therefore do not abide by math or constants.
Fuck, there's even a deus machina designed to do explicitly this.
Demonbane can't really be omnipotent though. The lore has roots in lovecraft and therefore no matter what alterations an author does if it's part of HPL stories then it's under Azazoth.
The dream has surpassed the dreamer.
That's not Lovecraft. His universe is based primarily on weird math, what would have been theoretical quantum physics which hadn't been explored yet. The majority of the work is literally things so advanced and otherworldly that we don't understand it or are unable to understand it. Even the metaverse of Lovecraft was based around popular sci-fi alternative universe theories of the time period.
The majority of Japan's idea of what Lovecraft is isn't even Lovecraftian. Rather than an exploration of the unknown and fear of the glimpses we get into the abyss they write it as "plot hax universe breakers."
Lovecraft constantly espoused a notion that logic is just a quaint guideline that things on earth seem to obey, but not actual rules. Nyarlathotep made a personal business of destroying logic and driving people mad.
Only figuratively "mad" with love and happiness.
Given his time period almost all science fiction and pulp writers believed that.
Logic was a metaphor for history and the established beliefs rooted in the past. Chaos was the introduction of new ideas that disrupted the order of the established logic. These new thoughts were the glimpses into the abyss of knowledge that were previously hidden by the preconceived notions in society known as logic.
Nyarlathotep was nothing more than an analog to the progress of science, especially in the wake of WW1 where for the first time in history chemical weapons had been mass deployed and the soldiers of the world had descended into madness.
Demonbane is a Lovecraft-inspired mecha series that started out as an adult visual novel from the developer Nitro+ and has various spin-offs, novel adaptions and even an anime series. Despite it throwing around names of Lovecraftian beings around, it has little to do with the actual mythos and is more of a homage. Demonbane is by far the most absurdly, stupidly overpowered mecha in all of fiction, it is so overpowered that Demonbane doesn't even follow logic. It takes on various forms and upgrades in the series and one of the upgrades is the War God Demonbane which is so massive that it shatters an universe because the universe can't contain it and its final form, the Elder God Demonbane is so hilariously overpowered that just it moving was creating and destroying multiverses and it can even beat omnipotents, so in other words, it is beyond the concept of infinite power. This version of it is apparently beyond omnipotence. It can also summon infinite versions of itself from other timelines, including from timelines that don't even exist, and they all are omnipotent. Fans of the series tend to be relatively annoying and claim that their series is the best thing since sliced bread. No one in any other fictional universe can hope to defeat Demonbane, even if you say that you have a character that's omnipotent, Demonbane will still beat it because that's how it works.
Even granting this point, the idea that mass/energy must be conserved is still an idea that could be a "primitive preconception" from the perspective of an outer god instead of the actual ineffable facts.
>No one in any other fictional universe can hope to defeat Demonbane
The stick is not a fictional object, so there is some merit to that response. However if the stick becomes a fictional object within the game then no, it does not win.
>so many people biting the bait
Jesus christ /a/.
How you failed to not only fail to understand the post and interpret it as the 1930s inventing logic I'll never know. Also your inability to contextualize the statement to the 1890s to 1930s is hilarious.
>stick can be rendered in 3d
And the 3D rendered stick loses instantly.
>even if you 3d print demonbane, stick can still smash the figure
There are a lot of factors here, if you 3D print him out of metal, a wooden stick isn't going to do anything.
If it can't create the task, then it's not an omnipotent being.
If it completes the task, then it's failed the condition of inventing a task that it can't complete. The task it completed was insufficient by virtue of being completely, and the 'omnipotent' being has failed to accomplish something.
It's meaningless to say an omnipotent being cannot complete a task. An omnipotent being can do A and B, even if they are contradictory.
An omnipotent being exceeds logic, by definition.
>that started out as an adult visual novel
Why doesn't this surprise me the least?
Only the first one was an eroge though. EGD appeared in the non-H sequel.
That's the point, it's a classical paradox criticizing the definition of omnipotence.
You might be more familiar with it in the form of "Can an omnipotent being create a rock that it cannot lift?"
If it's omnipotent, then it needs to be able to create such an object. But, if it's omnipotent, it also needs to be able to lift such an object. If it can lift it, it's failed the conditions of the creation, thus not omnipotent. If it succeeds in creating an unliftable rock, it's not omnipotent because there now exists something in the universe that it cannot do: lift the rock.
So omnipotence itself is paradoxical.
It's funny how this guy even to state in his game that his self created god is sooo much more awesome than the source material, despite the lovecraft myth never was about power levels.
Thank you. I save that pic for future demon bane threads. I think I will need it.
That argument is weak. It just asks "can an omnipotent force deactivate its own omnipotence?"
The answer is yes. But once it puts a finite limit on its strength (creating an unliftable rock), it is no longer omnipotent.
Next you will say, as they always say, "can it deactivate its omnipotence while retaining its omnipotence", which is a meaningless sentence. You are asking X to not equal X, and then equal X.
Also, in the work he appears in one of the character possess the power to summon herself from infinite amount of possibilities, she is basically DemonbanexGaku on steroid.
This guy could still destroy her just by batting an eye
That paradox is flawed in the first place. A truly omnipotent being can ignore logic and succeed at something that is supposed to be impossible.
Trying to understand how would probably break a human's mind, though.
Demonbane doesn't try to be "more awesome than Lovecraft", it's a goofy, cheesy loving parody of Lovecraft with mecha. It's not even about powerlevels. Most of these people haven't even read Demonbane.
It isnt, because you are trying to limit omnipotence by logic.
If an omnipotent being is capable of being incapable, i.e. being unable to lift such a rock, then he is incapable.
But if he is incapable of being incapable, then he is capable.
Irrelevant, as omnipotence would exceed logic and paradoxes.
Well, then can an omnipotent being not be an omnipotent being ?
You can't exceeds logic without fiction, stick doesnt exceeds logic, stick isn't fiction, stick win.
The three who can contest to be superior to Demonbane are Featherine from Umineko, Myuugi from Sword of Eternity and >>122659025
If we're talking about other sources, there's also Iihiko from Medaka box.
The problem with this account is that a non-completable task that is successfully completed is not non-completable. If the omnipotent being succeeds in doing the impossible, then the impossible was possible. It's not possible for there to be an impossible task as long as omnipotence exists, because omnipotence will, by definition, be able to complete that task and thus render it possible.
You can't complete an impossible task and still preserve its status as impossible. The very concept of omnipotence is flawed from the outset, as it renders a universe of no impossibility where the very nature of no-impossibility itself creates impossibilities.
It's also silly so say "omnipotence is beyond logic", because that's essentially saying "omnipotence is impossible due to a logical contradiction, but it exists anyways because it's omnipotence". That's called begging the question.
Well that's just your interpretation then.
The story isn't even about Elder God Demonbane. It's mostly just to explain why Nyarlathotep can't just delete Demonbane from all possible existences.
That only happens in the climax of the story, because at that point Demonbane is no longer a character, but rather a living concept.
There may be a lot of powerlevel bullshit, but Demonbane isn't about that. It's about goofy Lovecraft homages and lovable characters. The fights are ultimately less important than the development the characters go through.
What if we make demonbane become nothing ?
99% of "Demonbane threads" are from people who have never read a single piece of Demonbane material and just dredge hopelessly around powerlevel threads, please stop.
He has protection against that, so no
The only reason Iihiko can match Demonbane bullshit is because he is the personification of the "Reader" and thus raw power or absurd reality-bending abilities don't affect him. At the same time, he can easily take down any fictional character with a flick of his wrist.
Never heard of such a thing, but if it's in the way, just make it nothing too I guess.
Take your trips and get out, then
Friendly reminder that Azatoth is a cute little grill
Fuck off Hajun. Give me back my Marie
You probably mean Liber Legis. It is mostly equal to Demonbane, growing equally step by step, but the existence of EGD implies it will lose in the end.
In the end, you just have to make this guy become nothing and all of his ability (or whatever you want to call them) like returning from nothing or things like that become nothing too.
In the end, he is just some shit-tier big mecha.
New release 5 days ago.
Mugen-chan is still the best girl.
Beats Demonbane('s right arm), clearly a best.
Thanks for the indirect update!
>The problem with this account is that a non-completable task that is successfully completed is not non-completable.
>If the omnipotent being succeeds in doing the impossible, then the impossible was possible.
Nothing is impossible for an omnipotent being.
>It's not possible for there to be an impossible task as long as omnipotence exists, because omnipotence will, by definition, be able to complete that task and thus render it possible.
Yes, that follows.
>You can't complete an impossible task and still preserve its status as impossible.
An omnipotent being can, in fact, do exactly that, by nature of omnipotence. It might not be logical, but omnipotence must exceed and be the superior to logic.
>The very concept of omnipotence is flawed from the outset, as it renders a universe of no impossibility where the very nature of no-impossibility itself creates impossibilities.
It doesn't matter. An omnipotent being can do anything, even impossible things. Again: It might not be logical, but omnipotence must exceed and be the superior to logic.
>It's also silly so say "omnipotence is beyond logic", because that's essentially saying "omnipotence is impossible due to a logical contradiction,
No, it isnt. Omnipotence cannot be limited by logic, so it doesn't follow that said quality is impossible due to a logical contradiction, itself impossible by your own admission. If A exceeds B, B cannot limit A.
>but it exists anyways because it's omnipotence". That's called begging the question.
It isn't begging the question, because it doesn't follow that because "omnipotence exceeds logic", that "omnipotence is impossible due to a logical contradiction."
Yeah I'm just makin' fun.
Looks like Crow is always right again. D.Y.N. Freaks is so endearing.
>So in order to do so, "it" itself must exist as a node or kernel to the nonexistent Demonbanes.
Demonbane reconstitutes itself from reality, and affects reality from outside of existence regularly.
After being 'erased from reality', Demonbane turned back time in reality from outside of it. This is a thing that actually happened.
Well, yes. To remove it from such a capability you'd have to not only remove it from existence, but also from the past. It would have to retroactively never existed, to the point where you wouldn't even remember it or it'd reconstitute from your memories.
Azathoth and omniscient entities would also have to forget, of course. And it must also be removed from parallel existences and alternate possibilities.
And would that work? Probably not, all things considered. Jin Haganeya would probably just write another Demonbane story anyway.