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Having such a beautiful sight on his harem and a lot of fun for

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Having such a beautiful sight on his harem and a lot of fun for each night. I have a feeling that people hate UBW Good Ending just because they are envious to Shirou.
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>>122626651

nah they just want to go with Rin to learn to be a magical girl
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I don't hate UBW Good or Fate but I don't think either of them felt as complete as UBW True. Also am I the only one that felt like Shirou might have ended up dating Rin in the future with the Fate end?
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>>122626651
It's an extremly shitty ending that tossed out the theme of the route to pander to saberfags
>>122628402
>Also am I the only one that felt like Shirou might have ended up dating Rin in the future with the Fate end?
No.
That's a quite common impression
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>>122628916
Nah, Shirou doesn't date anyone in Fate end. He just wanders and wanders looking for a way to Saber.
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>>122626651
That's some boring underwear.
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>>122628984
We are talking about Continuation of a Dream not Last Episode
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I thought I had the non-sample one, but I guess I was wrong, or can't find it.
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Let's try a google image search.
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>>122628984
That ending was added three years after the initial release.
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>>122628916
>It's an extremly shitty ending that tossed out the theme of the route

No it didn't.

I thought UBW good would be a poor pandering end because of the hate it gets, but Saber had a perfectly legitimate reason to want to stay.

UBW Good = UBW True.
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>>122626651
UBW Good is Rin getting a harem though, not Shirou.
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>>122629312
In terms of sheer content, no. The scenes you have to get to UBW good are just plain inferior, and mostly revolve around Shirou feeding Saber, and lets not forget that the actual ending for UBW Good isn't anything special. It's just Shirou waking up and seeing that Saber is still there. UBW True has an epilogue that examines what Shirou's gonna do in his future, and how things have played out since the war.
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>>122629441

I suppose I can give you that, but the difference between the future of UBW Good and UBW true is that Toesucka got herself a super badass familiar /secretary/bodyguard and that there's mandatory sex and threesomes for them for a while. Reading UBW good after UBW true allows the full effect.

The rest won't really change, Rin is still going to train Shirou as her apprentice.
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>>122629584
>Reading UBW good after UBW true allows the full effect.

That made me realize how shallow the former ending is. It's like, 3-4 scenes that are different, and frankly worse than the scenes you get on the true path. I mean I can't think of a scene for UBW good that is better.

It's just an inferior experience overall.
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>>122629265
I tried and this is what happened to me.
Fuck you.
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>Samen Grail Wars will never be translated.
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>>122626651
What are the difference between the Good and True ending? Got the True Ending on first try.

Does Archer still accept Shirou in the end?
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>>122629584
Also that Rin and Shirou have to use nearly all of their magical energy to keep a useless NEET around which completly cripples Rin's potential
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>>122629884
Saber stays alive and you have a few more scenes involving her. It was basically done because Saber, outside of that ending, always died. It was kind of a freebie for her fans.

It's worse than true for me, though.
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>>122629884

It's exactly the same except Saber decides to stick around for a while to watch over Shirou, to see how he's gonna turn out. The scenes for True are better than the scenes for Good, but the events are basically identical.

And Rin needs dickings to help with Saber's mana upkeep, at least until Shirou improves his mana capacity a lot so he can contribute passively.

>>122629945
In exchange, Rin gets the most powerful familiar possible, a basically unbeatable bodyguard, a friend, and a bedmate.

Not a bad deal.
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>>122630044
Actualy it's an incredibly bad deal.
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>>122630044
How exactly is their mana enough to keep a servant up?
Or is Seiba nerfed hard?
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>>122629976
I do agree that from the characters' standpoint, UBW good is objectively worse than true, but as a saberfag, I appreciated the fanservice. Although I would've preferred that Nasu just made a Fate good or something, I guess this is what we get.
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>>122630123
Because Rin has tons of mana and that's still not entirely enough.
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>>122630123
Rin has a monstrous mana well and shirou's dick helps the upkeep.

>>122630177
>I do agree that from the characters' standpoint, UBW good is objectively worse than true
I don't agree, Saber's motives for staying work.
It's the mechanics of it that are a little iffy, but hey. Gil could stay for 10 years by feeding off a handful of non-mage orphans.
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>>122629312
>Saber had a perfectly legitimate reason to want to stay.
I personally found Saber waiting, that Shirou gives her Archer's answer one day, much more romantic than she simply disappearing in good note.
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>>122630252
Shirou and Saber aren't romantic with each other in UBW.
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>>122630252

Personally I was just happy she was able to find her way in Rin's route, because for me it's the defining moment of the fate route and one of the most important scenes in the game.

I'm equally sad she doesn't find it in HF. HF Good could have done it without much trouble, too.
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>>122630231
Rin has tons of mana but without the grail support it's either that the servant gets severely nerfed or they have to pour EVERYTHING they have to keep her up, even with Rin's bullshit mana levels.
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>>122630246
>Saber's motives for staying work.
They do work, but I think it's better that Saber had found her own path without spending another 20 years or however long trailing Shirou around.

I still can't believe that I don't have OP's picture full size. I thought I saved the full sizes.

>It's the mechanics of it that are a little iffy, but hey. Gil could stay for 10 years by feeding off a handful of non-mage orphans.
That's the thing most people have a problem with I suppose - Rin's mana supply, even if monstrous, would still be sucked on pretty well by a mana-eating familiar, which would limit her potential somewhat.
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>>122630246
And this post shows how retarded some Saberfags are
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>>122630246
Gil never needed the orphans to stick around, the Grail gave him a flesh body.
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>>122630310

That's not what he's saying, dope.

>>122630382
>They do work, but I think it's better that Saber had found her own path
Saber found her own path in both, however in Good she decides to watch Shirou's growth for a while longer. I like this a lot, because Shirou is after all the man who helped her find her answer, it's natural she'd be interested in what he'd become and how far his answer would take him.
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>>122630375
Yes everything.
It cripples them for life to pander to Saberfags.
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>>122630367
>I'm equally sad she doesn't find it in HF. HF Good could have done it without much trouble, too.
I agree, HF gave almost every character a happy ending, why not throw a bone to the mascot character? Although that might look incredibly shoehorned. Poor Saber-chan!
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>>122630310
>Shirou and Saber aren't romantic with each other in UBW.
I don't mean romantic as romance between the characters, but as romanticism.
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>>122630472

>Cripples them by allowing them to keep a basically undefeatable familiar

Boo hoo.
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>>122630389
Maybe you could attack his argument instead of attacking the person, anon-san.
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>>122630471
>Saber found her own path in both
Pic related. Pretty sure this only happens in true.
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>>122630519
They don't need one.
That familiar is just sitting around eating away their food.
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>>122630519
And how's she going to use excalibust or her super special prana burst and shit if they barely have enough juice to keep her up. If she fights, she drains them dry and disappears.
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Fuckin Saberfags. It's alkready bad enough that she's the main pair with Shirou when it always comes to advertisement.
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>>122630472
>cripples
Rin only said that Saber would need a large amount of mana to keep her going, but never mentioned exactly how much it would affect her - so I wouldn't say the word cripple is that accurate.
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>>122630505
HF True is already a ridiculous non-conclusion. Fitting Saber there would be even worse than UBW Good.
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>>122630549
Sorry but if that anon doesn't remember Gil getting soaked in angry manjuice there isn't much to do besides calling him retarded
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>>122630617
It's not like they need Saber for anything important. Like they're going to encounter a Shiki or Dead Apostle.
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>>122630617
Ilya, who's basically made of circuits and has even more full retard output than Rin, summoned Bahsaka 2 months before the war and kept him up without the grail's help. Which was supposedly a giant feat of magical might and caused her pain whenever he moved, because that's how much mana he ate by just existing.
Rin has idiotic mana output, but servants without the Grail also consume tons of it to just lounge on the couch and eat.
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>>122630585
Oops, meant to post this. It's like the frame right before that one though.
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>>122630585

Pic related what? Saber will return to the hill in due time in UBW good. She simply decided to delay it for a bit to keep watch over Shirou.

>>122630588
They want one.

>>122630594
Shirou fucking saber once filled her tank enough that she went from empty to capable of fighting Berserker. The conversion mechanism seems extremely efficient.
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>>122630615
>Fuckin Saberfags. It's alkready bad enough that she's the main pair with Shirou when it always comes to advertisement.

Eh, Ufotable's been getting better. Plus a lot of the Saber and Shirou stuff they show can boil down to them being master and servant.
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>>122630617
She can't provide it by herself
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>>122630658
Kirei wasn't angry when he did that.
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>>122626651
Wait... I know that scene.
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>>122630733
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>>122630726
>The conversion mechanism seems extremely efficient.
More like it seems extremely plot-reliant.
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>>122630679
>Like they're going to encounter a Shiki or Dead Apostle.
What are you implying, oh purple-haired one?
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>>122630588
Can the familiar solo the Mage Association though?
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>>122630615
Just because one person is arguing that UBW good isn't that bad makes this thread full of saberfags? Wow, thanks for the input.

>>122630733
Well it is the UBW route. I would be a bit surprised if they do Shirou x Saber there.
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>>122630790
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>>122630832
No
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>>122630816
>More like it seems extremely plot-reliant.
Then this pretty much invalidates any argument any of us have in favor of Nasu saying "lolnope" and then retconing himself.

So basically we just don't know how much Saber cripples Rin, if at all.
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>>122630769
It's the same swimsuits they were wearing when that fat fuccboi fucked both Rin and Saber.
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>>122630832
Not with all those Kirei superman killers. Don't forget that there are other separate Associations like the Church.
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I'm a Saberfag and even I thought UBW Good was shit.
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>>122630903
She should gimp her completely. But since she's on special snowflake rules, she probably just needs 2% of Rin's output and a well-aimed cumshot from time to time.
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>>122630846
>That Shirou doll
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>>122630720

My interpretation is she arrives at the same answer in both paths, but decides to stick around longer in Good. UBW Good and UBW True has saber experience the same things towards her freeing herself from the grail.
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>>122631022
Nice fanfic, Saberfag
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>>122630936
Even with Seibah's high magic resistance that said no modern magic can hurt her?


Also what about Gil-kun then?
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>people seriously try to claim that shirou isn't made for self insertion
it's an eroge
with a harem end
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>>122631080
Things like Fragarach exist.
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>UBW good
>living with Seibah and Rin
>get hired by Luvia to Buttle the SHIT out of her for money

how can an ending be so good
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>>122631071

She says as much in UBW True, stupid. That she'd like to stick around and could do it if she pushed herself, but decides not to because it's not her role. In UBW Good, she decides to stay and watch Shirou's path.
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>>122631022
>I would like for you to tell me the answer to that someday
I would assume that this means she hadn't reached her conclusion yet, and needs Shirou to help her find it.

>>122631071
Would you stop calling everyone Saberfags. You are making the thread worse than the so-called Saberfags themselves. At least attach an argument to your post.
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>>122631091
On a technical level he really isn't. You can't play the game in a particularly self-inserty way. If you just pick things how you might pick them, you're gonna get a lot of bad ends.

You have to make the choices that Shirou would make. You have to get inside his head, not put yourself in the story.
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>>122631147
Noone cares about Luvia.
Go back to your Prisma thread
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We talk about Noble Phantasms a lot, what about skills. Which ones are the best; not counting Potnia Therom, Ultimate One, Golden Grail, and Grow up Grow. Those ones are more broken than you can ever know, to the point of not just breaking the game, but there not even being a game.

I'd say Counter-Hero is one of the best. Lower all stats of anyone who fights you automatically by one, two, or more ranks all around. The second they try to fight you they get instant auto rank-down.
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>>122631178
Forgot to mention that's from UBW good.
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>>122631128
>Fragarach
What?
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>>122630941
This
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>>122631245
Read the VNs
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>>122631245
Play F/HA
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So how many of the girls does Shirou bone canonically?
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Man I don't care about whether or not you like UBW Good, I just don't want it in the anime, and thankfully Ufotable seems to not be going for it.
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>>122631214
Is that even a question?
RUNES
U
N
E
S
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>>122631289
Three. One in each route.
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>>122631340
what? no harem route? dropped.
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>>122631178

Maybe, or maybe she simply wants a more complete answer. Either way works, really, since the fact that saber is willing to Bust the grail already means she is free of it.
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>>122631280
>eating burgers with cheese
Let me guess, she puts mayo on her burgers too?
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>>122631376
The closest is UBW Good, but not really.
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>>122631245
>Fragarach: Gouging Sword of the War God (斬り抉る戦神の剣フラガラック, ?), also called Answerer: That Which Comes Later Cuts First (後より出でて先に断つものアンサラー, ?) and The Retaliator, is a Noble Phantasm and Mystic Code with the ultimate form of counterattack. It is the "Sword of Retrograde" and an indefeasible weapon of the gods, divinely protected by some malicious will, that works by using a conceptual curse to warp destiny and a divine trick that uses time as its blade. It warps causality to always strike the opponent in the heart with a needle thin concentrated blast right before they unleash their ultimate attack. The condition for its use is that the opponent must use their strongest attack, and Fragarach must be used directly after the enemy's strike. It would normally be that Fragarach would kill the enemy, and the opponent's attack would also simultaneously destroy Bazett
Talk about broken.

Can Lancer win if with his broken runes?
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>>122631392
People say Japanese mayo is just plain better

Can't judge it by the same standards, but even then mayo works on some sandwiches. Maybe roast beef or something at least. That's not a sandwich where a spice like mustard quite works, other than brown mustard maybe. You need more of a smoothness going on to balance and adapt to it all.
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>>122631455
Play F/HA
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>>122631455
>wiki
Just read F/HA
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>>122630832
top lel
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>>122631455
>Can Lancer win if with his broken runes?

One of his runes can auto-revive him if he dies, if he casts it right before he dies.
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>>122631506
>>122631507
Still on Fate route.
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>>122631548

Truck on, Fate is the worst but has some of my favorite scenes. It's smooth sailing after that.
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>>122631548
Why are you in this thread?
It's Gae Bolg gg lol
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>>122631548
Why are you in this thread then, anon-chan? You're going to get spoiled, if you haven't been already.
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I was never able to reach UTW Good End. I had to download a full 100% save for it.
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>>122630832
There are magus out there that can fight servants on par, however rare they might be. Saber cannot take down the entire Magus Association at all, no matter how perfect you think she might be.

Saber had enough trouble during F/SN itself with some humans, she will get fucked hard even if its just current day magus if you think you can take them all on. The closer to the top ranks you get, the more you just see monsters like Zelretch, Lorelei, or other demons.

If you think you've seen the top class of monsters or humans out there, the world if far bigger than you could understand. Zelretch himself could easily beat Saber.
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>>122631617
>UTW
;_;
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>>122631617
There's a flowchart
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>>122631410
>reaching full blow ménage à trois
>not calling it Harem Ending.
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>>122631518
Yeah but that rune's for pussies
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>>122631641
>There are magus out there that can fight servants on par
Like who.
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>>122631597
fate has shit writing and the spoilers don't really matter as a result

nasuverse : The universe where the plot's all made up and the storylines don't matter
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>>122631664
Shirou doesn't do anything with Saber in UBW Good.

He has to screw Rin to keep her around, but you can only imply any threesome shenanigans.
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>>122631476
Hijikata pls go
pls
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>>122631641
Well Rin's going to be pretty high up there later in her life
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>>122631689
>fate has shit writing
You mean plot. The writing itself is more or less the same throughout.
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>>122631680
I just named two or three in that post

Zelretch, Lorelei, there are hundreds of other figures in the higher ups that we don't even know there that are supposedly monsters. It's the same for the Church, the more you look into their ranks, they are monsters in there.

Nasu keeps it open, but we know they're both full of heretics and oddities the higher up you go.
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>>122631737

Shirou's dialogue in the majority of Fate is vomit-worthy.
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>>122631680
Aoko can. Zelretch too, but he's DAA magus.
Tohno Shiki can but that would be at his maximum state with Arc and Ciel finally teaching him how to use his above average potential to work.
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>>122631729
Even that'll be nothing compared to how strong Illya will become.

Right guys?

R-Right?
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>>122631767
Lorelei

>Lorelei lacks any significant special traits or unique thaumaturgy, but she is known as one of the greatest modern magi called The Queen: The Supreme Mage of the Present Era (現代最高峰の魔術師 (ザ・クィーン), Gendai Saikōhō no Majutsushi (Za Kuīn)?). She has raised her own abilities close to the level of true magic, and her number of magic circuits, special Blue Blood Noble Magic Circuits, even surpasses the headmaster who has lived for two thousand years. She has an archetypical standard in her use of orthodox magecraft, and being a perfectionist, she believes that as long as her base is strong, simple magic raised to the highest degree, it is not necessary to have special abilities. Single shots of her magecraft are able to completely destroy a room in Louvre's castle and easily take down its walls.

>She has produced brilliant results in any situation, and her strength equals that of members of The Twenty-seven Dead Apostle Ancestors by herself. This has allowed her to fight one-on-one with members of the Ancestors, such as Enhance, and she has destroyed two of them herself. She is confident enough in her abilities to purposely wait for a red moon, when a Dead Apostle reaches the height of their strength, to hunt Louvre, even when members of the Church who excel in vampire hunting wouldn't dare to fight under such conditions. She uses the Wind Element, the magical attribute of Almighty, a holy mithril gauntlet, and has Mystic Eyes of an unknown attribute. The only magus she and her family respect as an equal is the user of the First Magic, though she does have some degree of friendly relations with the Archibald family.

Girl takes on DAA at their strongest, and wins.
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>>122631782
I disagree, the way Shirou conveyed his thoughts were fine, but just his opinions were a little iffy.
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>>122631767
You are underestimating servants.
Lorelei was never mentioned to be capable of fighting servants.
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>>122631804
But can Shiki kill Shirou in UBW?
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>>122631708
>implying that screwing Rin is only way to keep Saber.
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Speaking of DAAs, I want more Arcade. Every time I read Tsuki, I'm reminded of how cute she is.
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>>122631896
It is. Saber is Rin's servant, and Rin needs constant mana transfers to keep her.
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>>122631804
>Tohno Shiki can but that would be at his maximum state with Arc and Ciel finally teaching him how to use his above average potential to work.

People keep fan-wanking this, when literally all that's been said is

> Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

That's for some reason always interpreted as "Yes, of course he absolutely can without any doubt in the future, he'll be the strongest"
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>>122631872
>little iffy
His opinions were dangerously retarded and violently insulting, and he kept voicing them all the fucking time.
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>>122631857
stop copying the wiki
it's 90% fanfiction
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>>122631925

Shirou could probably supply directly too.
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>>122631970
I'm not so sure about that.

Either way it's not implied in UBW Good. Saber and Shirou don't even have a relationship like that in the route.
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>>122631939
Well he worked them out in the end with the basement scene and after.

>violently insulting
I really hope you aren't referring to his misogynistic tendencies, because I'm pretty sure this has been explained a million times.
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>>122631807
>Ilya
>mattering
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>>122631970
Not gonna happen unless Rin allows it. And it's not like Shirou's interested in her that way either, he'd rather fuck Rin some more.
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>>122631925
Well, other way is also that he can screw Saber directly and save Rin from excessive spending of mana.
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>>122632008
Saber still had big loyalty and adoration for Shirou even when she became Rin's servant.
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>>122632008

Sperm contains mana. Giving it directly to saber would be more efficient. While it's true there's no relationship between them, Rin is adventurous and bi as fuck so it's only a matter of time.

>>122632032
>Well he worked them out in the end with the basement scene and after.
His horrible goddamn opinions had no bearing on the basement outside of making him look extra good after being so extra bad before. Thankfully he didn't hold his worst opinions in UBW and HF.
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>>122632107
>And it's not like Shirou's interested in her that way either, he'd rather fuck Rin some more.

Shirou is a man.
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>>122632123
>it's only a matter of time.

It's only a matter of time before Rin allows her boyfriend to screw another woman?

Jesus Christ you Saberfags really do live up to the "cuck" name.
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>>122632123
Okay, what do you mean by horrible opinions? His ideals? Because that kind of is the entire point of the route.
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>>122632162
A man in love with Rin.
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>>122631888
Nasu said yeah, so magical cereals.
>>122631909
TITPILLOWS
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>>122632008
>Saber and Shirou don't even have a relationship like that in the route.
They HAVE a relationship. And pretty strong. Even in this ending they flirt with each other in front of Rin.
>>122632107
>And it's not like Shirou's interested in her
He is interested.
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>>122632174
Please stop shitposting with this forced cuck meme. No one actually thinks it's funny.
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>>122631883
Your world is stupidly small; servants are on par with DAA by average, but you're stupid if you think that the only people that could ever match them you've already seen, and everyone you haven't seen is stupidly weak and if anyone on the rank of these monsters is revealed it's some wank.

Each new work we're introduces to some new monster, some new heretic, some new hidden monster. We find out more about the Church, the Association, Atlas, what monsters are in their ranks with each new work.

All of this shows one thing in particular, even if these people are one in a million each, the world is far bigger than you think. That kid in Japan who could fight demons on par; he was special, but he wasn't super ultimate special one of a kind of his kind that only is him and no one else can come close.

The world is full of that type of monster, hidden among the crowds in subtlety. Strange types, heretics, oddities, you'll find them everywhere, even if they're still rare as shit one in a million. Among those you'll find those that are one in a hundred-million, who can fight DAA or other monsters for one reason or another on par. Each new work shows there's a wide world out there rather than japan just being super special.

Eventually those odd types might be recruited by one organization or another, and their powers are brought out more. Which is how we get a Ciel, Sion, or Aoko.
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>>122632174
Rin is eager to screw said woman herself, it would only be fair for her to invite her boyfriend along.

>>122632179
No, mainly the ones where he insists he has to protect a tank with his fleshy mortal shell because the tank has a vagina.

>>122632233
I'm not sure you understand how men work. Being in love with someone doesn't suddenly make your dick unresponsive to anyone else.
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>>122632162
And exactly why do you think Shirou would cheat in Rin ?
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>>122632268
I'm not. This person is implying it's only a matter of time before Rin allows Shirou, a man she's in a relationship with, to fuck another woman.
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>>122632290

I never said Shirou would cheat on Rin.
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>>122632252
REMAKE WHEN
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>>122632008
>I'm not so sure about that.
It is possible.
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>>122631926
>People keep fan-wanking this
Nasu literally said that Tohno Shiki can beat someone who can beat and fight Servants (Shirou) at his maximum. He beat Nero too in a straight up battle.

Tohno Shiki can literally beat people who can beat Servants.
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>>122632301
And that person is also clearly not a saberfag.
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>>122632324
Last update was on Nasu's blog in December last year.
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>this thread
Where are the meme spammers when you need them?
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>>122632257
Not romantically.
>>122632278
Even if his dick gets hard, the guy's still loyal as fuck. He'd need Rin's approval to fuck Seiba.
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>>122632278
>he has to protect a tank with his fleshy mortal shell because the tank has a vagina.
Oh, so you are just mad about the "ur a gril" thing. Well anon, I'd love to explain it to you, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I've already argued with you about this before.
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>>122632174
>It's only a matter of time before Rin allows her boyfriend to screw another woman?
Do you know what is ménage à trois?
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There is literally nothing in UBW Good that says Shirou is going to fuck Saber.

You are just plain making up things if you really try and argue beyond implications.
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>>122632428
He's right tho. It was pretty annoying that you'd get that shit in the VN.
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>>122632429
It's something that doesn't happen in UBW Good.
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>>122632429
Shut up, Sabercuck. Disloyal slutfans for sluts.
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>>122632076
Well she matters to me. A lot.
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>>122632431
What exactly did you expect from Saberfags so gone that they enjoy UBW Good ?
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>>122632346
You're wanking if you say Nero is servant tier without any indication or knowledge, just saying "Well he's DAA so he must...". Guy's only virtue was "Absolute defense", he might be unkillable for even servants, but he wasn't servant level. That was just a match of compatibility as his one attribute was useless. You say "Well Nero's last beast was super fast..", servants can move mach 14, without command spell its still decently mach speed, Ryougi who is far above Tohno can move at mach one at most, no its not the same. No, Nero's only virtue was being unkillable, not stats.

Shirou by miles isn't servant tier either; Archer at 1/10th of his power kicked Shirou's ass, Gilgamesh jobbed out the ass but that was only a compatibility match, right before that match Shirou directly said he couldn't hope to match any other servant. He told Saber he could only fight Gilgamesh, he'd lose to any other servant automatically.

If you think Shirou was servant level, you didn't read the novel at all.
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>>122632383
>He'd need Rin's approval to fuck Seiba.
And why would that be so hard to get? Rin wants to fuck Saber herself.

>>122632428
What is there to explain? His opinion is terribly stupid and insulting to Saber, and he doesn't act that retarded in the other routes. Nasu himself says the constant MUH GIRLS DON'T FIGHT shit wasn't very well done.
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>>122632324
>REMAKE WHEN
Never?
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>>122631214
To this day this ability remains so deliciously absurd, yet so Nasu

>Potnia Theron (Conception of All Animals).
>The authority of the goddesses whom BB compiled and absorbed from the abyss of the mooncell.
>What it is is the embodiment of the power of creation possessed by the mother goddesses, originating from a forgotten goddess approximately 8000 years ago (the goddess of Çatalhöyük), and branching to Tiamat and Cybele, Ishtar, Inanna, Athena, Astarte, Gaia, Hera, Artemis, Aphrodite, Demeter, Athena, etc.
>Many are imaged with mural crowns. This is because many of the goddesses were also the guardian deities of cities.
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>The symbols of this authority are the holes opening in the earth and the sky (caves and the moon), the whirlpools and typhoons of the sea, the craters of volcanos, and so on, and from these, evils bringing forth all manners of death are birthed.
>But once these evils have finished spreading death, they leave the promise of good harvest and fertility. This authority is none other than the power of bringing death as well as giving life.
The earth mother is a guardian deity revered by the people and their protector, and at the same time she is the sacrifice that feeds them with the crops born from her body and the beasts of the fields and the forests.
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>>122632451
Well yes it was annoying, but it wasn't because he thought that since girls were naturally weaker, so he had to protect them, it was because he had almost no self-worth and thought it a tragedy that someone else get hurt in his place, especially if it's someone he was in love with. Plus, he stops saying it over the course of the route.

>>122632526
>he doesn't act that retarded in the other routes
Because he was in love with Saber and didn't want to see her getting hurt. Shirou is just bad at expressing himself.

>Nasu himself says the constant MUH GIRLS DON'T FIGHT shit wasn't very well done.
He said that he overdid it - which I agree with, not as much as needed. Still, you have a chronic misunderstanding of what Shirou actually felt and meant, just because you're too caught up with one repeated line.
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>>122632648
>The earth mother feeds man with her blood and flesh, kills man over time and absorbs him as nutrition, and once again feeds man with her replenished blood and flesh.
>This process is the circle of the food chain, and the cycle of life and death can be said to be the true nature of the earth mother. With this authority, most of the goddesses gave birth to countless monsters and giants and posed a threat to the gods and man, or they gave birth to heroes and became protectors of man.
>Tiamat and Gaia are examples of those who became threats, and Hera is an example of a mother of heroes.
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>Those born on this earth cannot defy the authority of the earth mother, as that would mean rebelling against the system of life itself.
>However, it is when they have left this earth to go into outer space and ended the infantile stage of intelligent lifeforms that they should no longer be bound to this authority..
>The wish of Çatalhöyük is the coming of that day.
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>>122632663

So you agree the dialogue was awful. Good.
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>>122632076
She matters in her own universe at least.
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>>122632663
>Plus, he stops saying it over the course of the route.

True but by the seventh fucking day of his bullshit Shirou was an absolutely insufferable protagonist. He's lucky the scene under the church redeemed him so hard, but it didn't undo the stupidity of his actions in most of Fate.
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>>122632773
>caring about Prisma
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>>122632520
>but he wasn't servant level.
DAs move faster than bullets by canon. He's a DAA.
He can move faster than Arcueid. Arcueid, who has at least 1 Servant unit of stats when they fought.
He trapped Arcueid, who has at least 1 Servant unit of stats when they fought.

You're a fucking idiot if you think Nero was not close or above Servant level when he fought Arcueid who was 9 to 10 percent in Tsukihime.

Gilgamesh jobbed, but he was getting overwhelmed. Saber got killed (yes revives, but killed), and Berserker was one hit from getting legit killed before Ilya showed up.

Ryougi is not far above Tohno. Ryougi 3rd maybe, but not Ryougi.

Servants don't move at Mach 14 on the regular. Saber literally needed a Command Seal for that.

Dark Berserker only moved in the speed of sound.
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>>122632846
It's the only thing I ever care about.
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>>122632738
I mean, yeah it was a bit too much, but not all of it should be discounted.
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>>122632526
>And why would that be so hard to get? Rin wants to fuck Saber herself.
This. Who seen the first H scene in Fate route knows that Rin alone is able to propose treesome with them very quickly.
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>>122632972
Rin wants to fuck Saber, but that scene you talked about is simply just about recharging, not just Rin fucking Saber for herself.
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>>122632972
Rin and Shirou weren't in a relationship in the Fate route, and they were in danger of immediately dying if Shirou didn't screw Saber.

You have some mild implications of a threesome in UBW Good, but nothing outright stated.
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>>122632174
Saber is not "another woman" for Rin.
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>>122632526
>What is there to explain?
The "girls can't fight" thing is an excuse that Shirou makes up because he doesn't want Saber getting hurt fighting for his sake.

This doesn't happen in the other routes because it's only in Fate that he sees Saber getting her ass handed to her by Berserker while protecting him and Rin.
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>>122632945

Just the majority of it regarding Saber. It really did make him basically insufferable most of the route.

>>122633035
Yeah, because Rin was totally not enthusiastic about diddling saber or anything.
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>>122633058
So she's a tool?

It's like giving Shirou a fleshlight?

Why would she do that if she could just fuck him herself?
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>>122629265
I didn't type shit in that search bar. I swear.
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>>122632526
That she wants to fuck her doesn't mean she wants to see her boyfriend fucking her though. She'd just fuck her herself without the need for Shirou's D.
>>122632972
Different circumstances. She wasn't romantically involved with Shirou there.
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>>122633080
He sees the same in HF
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>>122633080

Saber gets her ass handed to her equally hard in HF. The fact that it's an excuse doesn't make his excuse any less dangerously stupid and violently insulting.
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>>122633080
Well, there's also HF, but I guess Shirou just doesn't care for her enough ;_;
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>>122632855
>Dark Berserker only moved in the speed of sound.
It's funny that NLBW just broke the speed of sound and still almost was beaten by Herakles.
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>>122633122

Rin is not such a shitty person that she'd fuck Saber without inviting Shirou along for some fun.
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>>122633145
It makes his excuse ridiculous, but his actual opinion is not.
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>>122633048
I'm not talking about threesome, but about Rin's sexual personality. She is able to be surprisingly straight.
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>>122633220
She takes a penis in her, of course she's straight.
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>>122633189
Yeah, she'd fuck Saber and then have Shirou fuck her while Saber watches.
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>>122633099
>So she's a tool?
No, close person.
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>>122633208
Spending most of the route he's supposed to fuck saber in belittling and devaluing her because of his romantic feelings towards her makes him fucking insufferable and extremely dumb.

Can you imagine that nigger spending all of UBW telling Rin not to fight and how being a woman she should let him do it?
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>>122633297
Who was perfectly fine with letting her get raped by Shinji
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>>122633297
No, she's a tool.
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>>122633099
>So she's a tool?
Finally someone understands
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>>122633284

Rin is not such a shitty person she would fuck Shirou and not share with Saber.

Especially considering how violently beneficial direct fucking is for the King of cucks.
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>>122633337
Dude, Saber was not present in that scene.
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>>122633370
>Rin is not such a shitty person she would fuck Shirou and not share with Saber

It's not of Saber's business who she fucks. She didn't take Shirou from her or anything.
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>>122633324
>Spending most of the route
Well there's our problem - I don't think it's most of the route, I only noticed the "grills don't fight" thing in the beginning. Everything else was just Shirou naturally caring about Saber and trying to help in any way he can.
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>>122633402
That's kind of the problem, anon. She was standing around doing nothing while Rin was off about to be raped.

Lancer had to come save her.
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>>122633402
She was present when Archer made the implications that she'd get raped by Shinji.
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>>122633402
Reread that fucking scene.
Saber is literaly the worst servant
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SOON™
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>>122633351
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>>122633444

He was still going strong with his bullshit in Day 7, he doesn't really stop then either. Over half the route was spent with his insulting suicidal tendencies.

>>122633407
You seem to be mixing business with pleasure.
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>>122633471

Archer's the one who left her tied up in a room with a rapist.
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>>122633546
Using your logic why doesn't Rin share Shirou with Sakura?

I mean it's like you're saying she's shitty because she doesn't whore her boyfriend out.
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Post high tier fanart, like this one
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Saber belongs in the trash for being a cuck and a coalburner.
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>>122633604

Because as far as I know she doesn't want to fuck Sakura.
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>>122633604
Because Rin would prefer to diddle king arthur.
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>>122633585
And Archer is a shit.
Doesn't change anything for Saber
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>>122633501
Never
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>>122633585
Both Archer and Saber were equally terrible there.
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>>122633619
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>>122633604
Because she doesn't want worms in her vagina.
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>>122629645
SAUCE
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FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT CU IS OBJECTIVELY THE BEST SERVANT
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>Rin - Anal Whore
>Seiba- Boring FC

Can I(Shirou) choose someone else?
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>>122633546
Shirou has an irrational tendency to put himself in unnecessary danger, yes, but half the point is exploring how fucked up a person like that would be. So what's the problem?
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>>122633675
Saber didn't know Rin was alone with a rapist. Archer did.
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>Not posting the true OTP
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>>122633687
She's a big girl.
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>>122633675
>>122633585
Archer was just waiting there with a hostage, when suddenly Gilgamesh and Shinji showed up.

His only options were to fight Gilgamesh and whether he wins or loses he'd lose the one chance he's fought to receive after eons of effort, or to walk by and hope for the best since Saber would soon be there and could deal with it.

That way he could get rid of Saber from intervening with the fight at the same time, while also saving Rin and still getting his fight.

Though Lancer showed up and it didn't go exactly as planned, but still turned out well

He wasn't going to fight Gilgamesh and shit just yet there, shit's hard.
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>>122633743
The problem is it's one thing to put himself in unnecessary danger, quite another to try to save a magic tank that feeds on your energy with your own vulnerable squishy body, and then spend most of the route telling said tank to leave the fighting to you.
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>>122633675
Aw, cut them some slack. Archer got caught in a huge ideological battle, and Saber was watching said battle for her own ideals. It was a life-changing moment.

>>122633728
>I(Shirou)
Stop
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>>122633745
To be fair, that was kind of part of his plan. Archer basically just being an evil asshole at that point. Which is shitty.

Saber's shittyness stems more from just general incompetence during that scene.

It's like two distinct forms of shit.
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>>122633728
Saber - Blowjobs
Rin - Anal
Sakura - Titfucking
Rider - Threesomes
Karen - S&M, someone ends up bleeding
Bazett - no sex
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>>122633793

He could have told Saber to go rescue Rin.
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>>122633714
We know
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>>122632252
This isn't real is it? It is funny if someone has the balls enough to publish something like this.
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>>122633714
His pretty much broken like Gil.
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>>122633837
It's what he did, it's what he literally did.

"Hey, your master is about to go be raped, go up there and do something about it"
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>>122633801
And that makes perfect sense for a hollow shell of a person like Shirou.

Saber says as much herself, someone with that kind of mentality would be lacking something as an individual.
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>>122633874

No he didn't. Saber stayed because Archer said nothing.
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>>122633837
He did
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>>122633847
Normally I would tell you to lurk more, but your response was innocently cute. This is the real version
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>>122633904
"Shinji showed up before you, I gave Rin to him, who knows what he might be doing by now, how about you go do something about it"

That's the entire reason Lancer rushed off, and why Saber should have rushed off.

Go read the scene again, he said it in a harsh way, but that's entirely what he was saying.
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>>122633884
>And that makes perfect sense for a hollow shell of a person like Shirou.

It doesn't, and it doesn't happen in any of the other routes either. Hollow or not Shirou isn't completely retarded about his own survivavility and risk most of the game, so his performance in Fate was a terrible way to start.

You'd have a point if he'd acted the same way towards Rin, but thankfully his penchant to protect living weapons with his face is confined to the Fate route alone and the start of HF.
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>>122633904
Archer literaly said that Shinji was about to kill and rape rin
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>>122633964
Saber wanted to stay though because she thought Archer's and Shirou's fight could've given her her answer. Also, if Lancer rushed off, I guess she figured the situation was already taken care of. It doesn't excuse her actions entirely, but it's then certainly understandable.
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>>122633956
Am I a cute girl?
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>>122633998
Shirou jumps down to face Gil right after Gil murders Ilya and Berserker even though he has literally nothing on him that could make a difference.

Yes, that's not towards Rin but he's still bloody suicidal.
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>>122634038
> Saberfags
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>>122634038
She was Rin's master, and another servant, completely unrelated to Rin, jumped quicker to save her.

The whole situation is actually pretty hilarious.
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>>122634100
And she still had lingering loyalties for Shirou. Like I said, doesn't excuse her actions entirely, but understandable.
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>>122626651
where is the Taiga?

where is the Bazett?

where is the Ayako?

where is the Rider?
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Reminder that Rin and Saber are not Shirou's harem.

Saber and Shirou are Rin's.
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>>122634175
No.
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>>122634072

Illya is a defenseless little girl, not a trained Magus many times stronger than him, nor a ridiculously powerful spirit of an ancient hero.

And it's one thing to react that way in the heat of the moment, that's forgiveable. Quite another to insist that the Magus prodigy and the magic knight stay behind you while you go beat the enemy with your wooden sword.
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>>122634175
I disagree. The whole situation makes Saber look bad.

Maybe if Saber was actually doing something it'd be understandable, but she just stood around.
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>>122634038
>>122634100
Saber stayed with Shirou because Lancer moved before she did to save Rin. Do you seriously believe that TWO Servants are needed to fight Shinji? Fuck, I wouldn't be surprised if Rin managed to kill Shinji herself there.
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>>122634077
Stop calling everyone a saberfag, shitposter-kun
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>>122634259
It ended up being Shinji and Kotomine, and Lancer died as a result.

Hell, you can almost argue Lancer's death is on Saber, too.
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>>122634175
>>122634100

She would have gone if Lancer hadn't volunteered, most likely. But watching the fight was truly vital for her.
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>>122634227
I don't remember him telling Rin to stop fighting
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>>122634240
>but she just stood around.
She was watching a battle that had a huge impact on her ideology, her way of life. It's natural that she didn't have her normal readiness there. It does make her look kind of bad, but it's not like she did it out of malice.
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>>122634240

She was having a pivotal character moment and her master was being taken care of.
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>>122634314
>Hell, you can almost argue Lancer's death is on Saber, too.

No servant in a war against servants is going to be "Oh no" when another competing hero died because of their actions.

That's nothing but a good thing for them.
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>>122634226
Fantastic argument
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>>122634334

Exactly, because his retardation was mostly confined to Fate and regarding Saber.
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>>122634100
She never stopped viewing Shirou as her master, witnessing his life-altering duel with his future self - which has a direct relevance to her own struggles - was a bit more important than helping another Servant fight off someone who isn't even a magus. It will never stop being absurd how often people claim this is some horrible act on her part.

>>122634314
Oh, so now she's supposed to see the future.
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>>122634384
Lancer jumped to help Rin when he really didn't have much to technically gain from it.

I guess he's just more of a fucking hero than King Arthur.
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>>122634386
>Shiki obviously fucked Arcueid while she's wearing Hisui's outfit
>there are no HCGs
Fuck it/10
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>>122634227
He just saw Gil turn Berserker into a pincushion.

Besides, Shirou has an excuse. He's too busy focusing on Archer and how he can't stop looking at the handsome fella.
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>>122634433
Because Saber had a huge amount to gain from watching the battle, and Lancer didn't have much to gain from being in either place.

>I guess he's just more of a fucking hero than King Arthur.
Okay, if that's what you think, sure.
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>>122634428
Well I sure hope Saber was happy ruining Shirou's life in a parallel universe where Kirei managed to kill Rin
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>>122634486
Like I said, heat of the moment. Him jumping instinctively to save a wounded Saber was never an issue for me, it's his repeated insistence that the magic super knight should leave all the fighting to him and his trusty reinforced mop that pissed me off.
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>>122634428
When Rin and Lancer didn't come back instantly, you could probably intuit that there was probably something going on.

I'm honestly a little amazed at how people are jumping to defend Saber in this scene. She truly was incompetent. Okay, she grew a bit as a character, but almost at the cost of her current master, and the definite loss of a good servant.
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>>122634526
>Using multiverse as an argument
Okay then, there are an infinite amount of universes where Rin is happy ruining Shirou's life because her mistakes caused Saber to die because multiverselol.

>Okay, she grew a bit as a character
A lot. This was a defining moment for her answer. It's definitely not "a bit." Sorry Saber isn't a perfect war machine, but a human being with problems just like all the other characters.
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>>122634560

If she hadn't watched the fight she wouldn't have been willing to destroy the Holy Grail.
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>>122634640
Oops, meant also to quote >>122634560
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>>122634649
I very much doubt that.
I mean it doesn't take much to realise that a giant meat-blob spilling mus won't fulfill her wish
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>>122634560
>When Rin and Lancer didn't come back instantly, you could probably intuit that there was probably something going on.
What? That's stupid. How is she supposed to know how long it would take for them to get there and back. You're really grasping.

You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that as far as she was concerned, Shirou was still her master. It would be no more loyal to abandon him at probably the most important moment of his life and go off on a pointless mission to beat up Shinji.
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>>122634649
So she wouldn't have blown up the Tetsuo blob? That'd make her look a bit like an ass, wouldn't it?

>>122634640
>A lot. This was a defining moment for her answer. It's definitely not "a bit." Sorry Saber isn't a perfect war machine, but a human being with problems just like all the other characters.

She didn't have to be a perfect war machine. Just don't stand around while your master is about to be raped. It's not hard.
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>>122634782
>a pointless mission to beat up Shinji.

Tied up and about to be raped. It's not like she was sitting in a nice room drinking tea. She was in a basement about to have a crazy guy screw her. Like, in my book, if you're not out of there in 5 minutes, even with another servant going to take care of it, I'd come running.
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>>122634802
>Just don't stand around while your master is about to be raped. It's not hard.
I thought this was already resolved. Lancer already was going there, Saber had a huge character moment waiting.

>That'd make her look a bit like an ass, wouldn't it?
To who? Rin and Shirou? Why should she care about doing something just because it "makes her look bad" when it completely goes against something she believes in.

>>122634894
>She was in a basement about to have a crazy guy screw her.
Which she believes that Lancer can fully handle by himself.

>Like, in my book, if you're not out of there in 5 minutes, even with another servant going to take care of it, I'd come running.
Like I mentioned before, huge ideological battle taking place. Timing is probably not first on her mind.
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>>122634894

You wouldn't notice because you'd be too engrossed watching your real master having an ideological battle that would define not only his ideals but yours as well.
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It makes no sense from a lore perspective, the characters are poorly explained, and it ruins the romance the route had set up.

A threesome or harem end is great. Fantastic. But you have to justify it. The route should be significantly different, you can't take the same route and just slap on a radically different, unfitting ending just for the sake of fantasy fulfillment, while ruining everything else.
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>>122634802
>Just don't stand around while your master is about to be raped.
Lancer was handling it. That's really all there is to be said. He's perfectly capable of dealing with something like that, Saber knows how strong he is. I don't know why you think she should assume he needs a babysitter, you're all but sticking your fingers in your ears over this.

>>122634894
5 minutes, are you nuts? The Einzbern mansion is huge, and she doesn't know if Rin's going to be coming immediately back, and it's not like she's sitting there with a damn stopwatch.
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>>122633793
That he was willing at all to bet his master's life on pure chance only to go throw a tantrum still makes him terrible.
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>>122635012
Shinji is Gilgamesh's master at that point.
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>>122635012
The mental image of Saber watching Archer and Shirou with stopwatch in hand is pretty funny.

>Oh shit, that's exactly 5 minutes, better leave these two to murder each other
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>>122635093
That sure helped him.
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>>122634960
So Saber, without watching Archer and Shirou fight, would have not destroyed a giant mass of flesh that was threatening the entire city? Like, you're arguing this?

>>122635012
Do you know how fast a servant can move? If it was just getting her out of there it shouldn't have taken long. Saber completely disregarded her current master, and someone she considered a friend for her own selfish needs. It almost cost Rin her life, and it cost Lancer's as well.
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>>122635108
better continue watching them murder each other.
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Feast of King's redux

Saber
David
Gilgamesh
Protea
Alexander
Richard
Ramesses II

All king's war, how do you see that conversation playing out.
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>>122626651
I never really got the hate that UBW Good gets either, I think it comes mainly from Rinfags who want their OTP to be alone together without Saber mainly. They come up with shitloads of headcanon about how crippled Rin would be when we have no indication of such a thing happening. That being said, Last Episode is by favorite ending, and I think it's a great continuation for the end of the Fate route
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>>122635139
>Do you know how fast a servant can move?
What you think Lancer was going to princess carry Rin on the way back? Yeah that's logical. And I just said she doesn't know if Rin is going to come sprinting right back immediately. And exactly how long can the whole Kotomine intervention have taken, anyway? A few extra minutes? We're not given any indication in the narrative that it was a remarkable length of time.

>Saber completely disregarded her current master
She really didn't. If Lancer hadn't been there, that would have been the case, but it wasn't. You're not even attempting to dispute this point, you're just flat-out ignoring it.
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>>122635139
>would have not destroyed a giant mass of flesh that was threatening the entire city?
No, I was just arguing against your reasoning. I think she would have realized that her wish wasn't going to be fulfilled by that point, but without the Archer Shirou battle, she wouldn't have properly come to terms with it.

Also, I love how you don't refute my other points.

>someone she considered a friend for her own selfish needs
I didn't realize that trying to resolve your entire life's purpose was considered selfish.
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>>122635222
I think I prefer CotD slightly more, but they're both great.
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>>122635295
Because Rin will just be slowly walking while Shirou is fighting Archer.
Do you remember how fast Rin moves in the prologue?
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>>122635378
I'm of the opinion that CotD and LE compliment each other very well, but I agree, both are great.
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>>122635394
Or maybe Rin has some other top secret plan to do. Maybe Rin wants to talk strategy with Lanca. Who knows. Anon, I think you might be grasping at straws a bit.
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>>122635415
Personally, I think the ending to Fate is wonderful, but the route itself could use a bit of a rewrite. Less of an expository feel perhaps.
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>>122635295
She should have shown some basic care towards her master. Shoving it off to Lancer shows a ridiculous level of neglect on her part. Another servant had to do her job.

As for how long it took, it was enough time for the entire castle to begin to be engulfed by flames. So it probably wasn't just a couple of minutes.

>>122635315
It is selfish when other people's lives are directly being threatened. Okay, good for you. You solved your personal problems. Meanwhile people you could have been helping are dead.

As for your other point, yeah I would think it would make Saber look like an ass if she completely disregarded Shirou and Rin's wishes. They had already gone through a lot together, and for her to choose to ignore helping them on the last day because of her desire for the grail would definitely have made her look like an ass.
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>>122635222
>I never really got the hate that UBW Good gets either

Way less poetic; you go from one ending which feels like they're moving on together and growing as people, everything is touched upon and you see its had its impact. To an ending that feels like fan-service, kind of the opposite message where they aren't moving on at all but rather have decided to go back to what they were, it touches upon far less, and has less feeling all around.

It's like the difference between Ciel's endings, except far worse, and without the the revelation that Ciel's good ending was actually the right choice in the end even if it still felt far dumber.

It's like it killed the message or symbolism, in exchange for one thing that didn't really help unless you were a Saberfag.
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>>122635514
I agree, it suffered from having to introduce the reader into the themes of the story.
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>>122633714
>mfw just filling crossword
>they asked the Korean language of dog
>google translate it
>IT'S GAE
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>>122635532
It's like, in a route that's all about moving on and changing, the end message fits best with that same feeling.

He's not going to become Archer, he'll carve his own path.
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>>122635602
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>>122635602
Gae is irish for spear
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>>122635532
>Ciel's good ending was actually the right choice
said who?
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>>122635694
I know. It's just coincidentally have the same language to that.
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>>122635532
>but rather have decided to go back to what they were
Not really, Rin's still going to London and she's still training Shirou. Saber stayed precisely because she wants to see where Shirou will move on to.
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>>122635826
>Not really, Rin's still going to London

Not stated at all in the ending.
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>>122635526
>Shoving it off to Lancer
>Another servant had to do her job.
Lancer practically volunteered. And before you say that shows how shit of a servant Saber is when another servant cares more about Rin, let me point you back to the argument about Saber still having allegiance to Shirou and her whole character development thing going on.

And that just because another servant was slightly faster than you at doing a hunt and fetch task does not mean you don't care about that person, because many other things were going on.


>It is selfish when other people's lives are directly being threatened
Anon. We've already been over this. Lancer had already went. The fact that the rescue was a really close call came from factors that Saber could not control and were definitely unexpected. Do you expect Saber to be able to know everything?

>it would make Saber look like an ass if she completely disregarded Shirou and Rin's wishes. They had already gone through a lot together, and for her to choose to ignore helping them on the last day because of her desire for the grail would definitely have made her look like an ass.
Doesn't matter if it went against her core beliefs. If Rin and Shirou asked her to kill random people, I highly doubt she would do it, regardless of it making her look bad.
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>>122635532
>t's like the difference between Ciel's endings, except far worse
UBW good definitely NOT worse than Ciel's good, or the disparity as bad. At least Rin and Saber like each other. Shiki is just asking to be killed in the rivalry.

>Ciel's good ending was actually the right
What
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>>122635729
Arcuied wasn't trying to kill you, she was trying to save you by getting Roa out, Shiki cut her throat before hearing her out in one ending but in the other ending Ciel intervened and you heard what it was about, same elements were in play but Shiki just panicked and did something stupid and pointless so they were both injured for what turned out to be no reason.
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>>122635991
It's like, the difference between Hisui's endings. Same elements in play, but we know what the right choice was here.
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>>122635880
>Saber still having allegiance to Shirou and her whole character development thing going on

We're hitting a wall here. I entirely disagree that Saber should have just stayed around watching Shirou. It is the job of the servant to help the master. She failed. Plain and simple, she failed. I would argue you have a point if Shirou directly asked for help in the fight, or she was doing something other than gawking at the battle. As it stands, she was just having an internal revelation, and when that impedes on your entire purpose, that does not make you look good.

>does not mean you don't care about that person, because many other things were going on

Is it even touched upon in the story? At least Archer stopping in at the last moment to help Rin and Shirou can be seen as him trying to make up for his previous actions, but as it stands, I don't think Saber showed much embarrassment for what she did at the castle.

>Do you expect Saber to be able to know everything?

No, I don't. I would hope though she at some point would have shown some direct worry, or concern for her master in the situation, but it was all about her.

>Doesn't matter if it went against her core beliefs. If Rin and Shirou asked her to kill random people, I highly doubt she would do it, regardless of it making her look bad.

I would think going on a random murder-spree is a bit different from destroying a ball of flesh that was going to consume the city.
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>>122635852

Not explicitly because UBW True happens months after UBW good, but it's hinted at pretty strongly since Shirou says Toshaka is not the kind to stay put, and is relieved Saber will be there for her as well.

I like UBW Good because it's UBW True+ for me, but I suppose it would lack a lot of impact if I hadn't watched UBW True first.
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>>122635991
but Arc was being pretty insistent on trying to make Shiki her servant

If you've going with the Ciel route, the choices you made most likely means Shiki coerced with the threat of violence into helping with Nrvnqsr and it's also kinda the result of her actions that Roa was beginning to posess him. I think Shiki might just have a bit of justification in not wanting to go along with her offer
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>>122636138
Just like the threesome stuff, you can only make implications.

I see people all the time going on about how saber comes along with them to London for happy fun times. They're writing fanfiction.
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Friendly reminder that geis caused 911
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>>122636185

It's not really fanfiction because the difference between UBW Good and UBW True is only that Saber stays. Rin's goals and ambitions would not radically change as a result.
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>>122636156
He doesn't agree to be her servant in the other ending, Ciel still intervenes and then Arc says the method for getting rid of Roa. Then they all work together to reach the right ending together through some odd teamwork.

It's the difference between living on in a semi-harem, or trying to kill each other for what turned out to be no reason basically, and then dying for no reason.

Yeah even if you die in the semi-harem, it's still clearly more correct as a choice. Not saying he should be her servant but it played out better for Shiki in every way as he lives and they sort of have some more good times ahead with Ciel. He's still with Ciel and everything, except now Roa is dead and it worked out well enough.

Despite being stupid, and still not feeling like a better ending, it was still more correct in a sense.
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>>122636251
It's not stated in the ending. Having a servant around could change things considerably, especially saying like it's nothing to bring King Arthur to Britain.

You can say it's implied, even have a little head canon if you want, but it's not part of the ending.
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>>122636353

I guess you may as well say they don't actually go anywhere in UBW True because it's not explicitly shown.
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>>122636413
In UBW True, they say they're going to London.

In UBW Good, they don't.

That's what happens.
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>>122636114
>As it stands, she was just having an internal revelation, and when that impedes on your entire purpose, that does not make you look good.
Her entire purpose was more in the battle than in rescuing Rin. Her being a servant was a means to the end, not her entire purpose.

>Is it even touched upon in the story?
Uh, yes? Like the entire thing with Lancer and Archer and Shirou was a lot going on. Just because Saber didn't show embarrassment doesn't mean she didn't care for Rin. She's more than shown that she cared with everything else in the route.

> I would hope though she at some point would have shown some direct worry, or concern for her master in the situation
If Lancer had not gone, Saber would have. But Lancer did, so she didn't. In her mind, it was a matter of fetch the Rin. She didn't anticipate all those complications that Lancer ran into, nor did anyone else.

>I would think going on a random murder-spree is a bit different from destroying a ball of flesh that was going to consume the city.
The concept is the same - something that opposes her own values being forced on her.

Anon, we are hitting a wall, and I think the main problem is that you don't realize how important Archer and Shirou's battle was to Saber's own beliefs, her entire reason of being a servant in fact. And that she was not neglecting Rin, but that also stems from other things that we've already covered.
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>>122636446

In UBW True they discuss the possibility of going to London in an afternoon at school but don't actually go there.

That's what happens.
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>>122636446
It can be assumed that they would go to London in UBW Good too, there's almost no reason not to. I guess the other option is to just hang out in Fuyuki City, have lots of sex, eat lots of food, and go to school. I'm fine with an end like that too.
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>>122636499
>>122636519
In supplementary material it's confirmed they go to London. There is no mention at all of Saber though.

You can imply it, but it's not just not part of the ending.
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>>122636562

Graduating from school is also not part of the ending, are you going to assume they don't?
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>>122636471
The very base purpose of a servant is to protect the master. She failed, and someone had to do her job for her. She shows care for Rin, but she doesn't touch on how she screwed up during the incident.

>She didn't anticipate all those complications that Lancer ran into, nor did anyone else.

As time went on, she did show any greater concern for Rin, despite Lancer and her not returning. Keep in mind, she knew she was being threatened with rape.

I understand the fight was important to Saber, but her actions during it were exceedingly incompetent.
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>>122636637
Buddy stop fucking around. You have your little head canon that Saber goes to London. Good for you, but it's not covered in the ending, and the ending is different from UBW True, so assuming everything is exactly the same is faulty logic.
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>>122636648
>As time went on, she did show any greater concern for Rin

Because she was absorbed watching the battle, which didn't take as long as you seem to think it did.
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>>122636690
Got a confirmed number for me? Cause it lasted long enough for the castle to start seriously burning down.

Like, the ash was the catalyst for Gil to leave.
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>>122636677
You are dead set to make the UBW Good ending seem worse but choosing to do so by arguing that nothing that isn't explicitly stated in the end happens is not the best way to do it.
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>>122626651
Faceless doujin man fucked Seibah and Rin in those bikinis. No wonder they were arousing even in Takeuchi art.
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>>122636733

That was what, barely enough time for Rin to run there from the top floor?
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>>122636736
I'm not arguing it's worse or better. You're the one coming up with things that don't happen in the story.

UBW True and UBW Good are different endings and have different variables. Going London is something in UBW True, it's not covered in UBW Good.
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>>122636648
>someone had to do her job for her
Not someone had to do her job for her - someone volunteered to do her job for her, which she was okay with. You seem to think the order goes:
Saber tries > fails > Lancer must do job instead
but it's really
Lancer goes first > Saber says okay it's not a hard mission > shit accidentally goes down

Yes, Saber did not behave as a perfect servant would have, but she was not a complete failure with her actions.

Why do you never respond to the claims that Saber already thought that the situation was taken care of? And that by the time it would've "taken too long" (which could be explained by a multitude of other things anyways) there was a whole ideological fight going on.
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>>122636766
Fuck it, I don't even know at this point. Unless we get solid numbers on when Shirou arrives at the castle, and when he leaves, we can't really continue this train of conversation.
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>>122636788

UBW True and Good only change in that Saber stays. Going to London is a proposal that comes up six months after UBW Good, arguing that it doesn't happen because it's not brought up six months prior due to Rin having a top-tier magical servant seems rather silly.

Especially since UBW True confirms things brought up in UBW good, like Rin teaching Shirou magic after the grail war.
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Why did I save this again?
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>>122636924
You have autism
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>>122636905
>UBW True and Good only change in that Saber stays

Yes, and you act like that isn't a big deal. You are suggesting it's a castle thing to bring King Arthur to Britain as a pal.

Saber being there is never at all mentioned in any supplementary material, despite that stuff going into as much depth as explaining where Shirou gets a part time job.
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>>122636987
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>>122637013
casual*

Fucking talking about King Arthur and my mind jumps to castles.
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>>122637013

Because the True ending is the True ending, stupid. There's no supplementary material detailing Sakura's lonely days as a crazy cat lady either.
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>>122637013
>>122637047

You act like she'd be a persona non grata. They're basically waiting for her to get her ass back there.
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>>122636987
>not enjoying discussing the working of the Nasuverse

Especially understanding something like the Swirl of the Root is fundemental in understanding a character like Araya
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>>122637060
>Plant lady
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>>122636886

To be clear: Lancer sets fire to the room. By the time Rin ran downstairs, the fight was over. Moments later, Gilgamesh arrived, and a staredown afterwards, the fire chased him off.

It wasn't a short distance for Rin to cover, but the spire spread almost as fast as she ran.
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>>122637114
>needing to understand it to enjoy
I don't need to indulge myself in such pointless activities.
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>>122637102
So you think the magus association wouldn't raise an eyebrow at someone bringing the once and future king to their fucking school?

I have nothing to fucking prove. You people are saying they go to London, but there's nothing on that. It's fanfiction, plain and simple.
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>>122637190
>I don't need to use my brain

sasuga Gawain
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>>122637199
They go to London IF the Good ending was True. it's not True, so it's not detailed in supplementary material.

It's still not fanfiction, now you're just being retarded.
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>>122637256
>implying you need to use your brain for nasuverse
Just wait til Nasu retcons it in 3 months.
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>>122637199

What are they gonna do, Tell King Arthur he's not welcome?
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>>122637256
The strongest knight on the round table has no need for trivial things like thoughts.
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>>122637322
What would king arthur do if he saw britain today?
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>>122637287
It absolutely is fanfiction you're writing. Play UBW on the good route. Where do they mention going to London? Nowhere, cause it's not part of the story. It's part of the story in UBW True, but those are different circumstances.
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>>122637396

Chase out the Moors probably.
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>>122637421
And the anglos as well?
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>>122637322
I'm not too sure if the Clocktower would be too appreciative of bringing something like her along.
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>>122637313
He's never retconned so much, he just weasels out of what he's said before by not contradicting it but painting onto it further. Considering the entire universe is "This should be impossible, until now, in this situation, because it's changed", yeah that's how it works. "Gae Bolg cannot be blocked, except it can because concept vs concept now", that's how its always been. They lay out in the VN "Nah, no rule is perfect, any rule can be broken by another bigger rule showing up against it".

Perfect example is "Gilgamesh wasn't corrupted by the grail mud"; he wasn't, this is not a retcon, that part is entirely true, but because he was incarnated there his own human blood corrupted him. That's the Nasu method. He does not retcon anything, what he said previously is still in place, but he's painted onto it using the bit of wiggle room he left himself. That's his style, always fucking with the wiggle room, without outright contradicting, but instead being all "Yeah that's true... buuut also.."

Learn to Nasuverse, people that try to meme it "Oh he just retcons everything, what a hack" never understand his actual tricks.
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>>122637405

Minorly different circumstances. The different paths of Fate SN detail the same general event with some differences causing timeline splits. While having Saber is a split for UBW Good, there's no reason they wouldn't go to London after graduating, especially since UBW True confirms events brought up in UBW good. UBW True effectively allows you to guess about events that would likely happen in UBW good thanks to it being 6 months after the split.

Sure, it is not CERTAIN they'd go to London in UBW good, Toesucker may come up with alternate and equally ambitious plans due to having a powerful servant with her. That said, your reason for denying the possibility being "it wasn't explicitly shown in the ending" is pretty retarded.
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>>122626651
Jeanne or Medusa is my hard choice.
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>>122637593

She doesn't have to attend classes, you know.
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>>122637480

They'll be allowed Annexation under Neo Camelot's banner if they behave.
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>>122637620
>there's no reason they wouldn't go to London after graduating

Bringing King Arthur to London could be an issue. Maintaining the mana to keep King Arthur around could be an issue. There are multiple things you can easily think of that could make the situation a sticky one, and automatically assuming they'll just go is faulty when it's not brought up at all in the narrative.

Having things happen in UBW True that happen in UBW Good isn't a problem because it shows those things happening. Assuming things happen the same as they do in True for Good, when they stuff isn't covered, is faulty logic.

It's like assuming they're all having threesomes in UBW Good. You can maybe imply it, but there's not hard evidence.

I swear to god UBW Good generates the most fanon bullshit.
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>>122637370
Gawain would get rekt by pretty much every other canon Knight of the Round table. Hell, I think even pussyass Balin could take him.
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>>122637794
>every other canon Knight of the Round table
>arthurian legend
>canon
Have fun with that buddy, unless you just want to talk Malory.
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>>122637794
Gawain rivals King Arthur in strength even without Numeral of the Saint, with Numeral of the Saint none of the other knights even come close to him in power.
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>>122637794
Gawain is the strongest, Lancelot is the most skilled, Arthur is the most broken with items and legends shit.

Gawain has the raw power, Lancelot has the style, Arthur has the items.

Under the sun Gawain's stats all gain ++, triple value basically. Making him basically undamagable by normal servants, unless they know how to work around him like when lancelot played his ass.
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>>122637859
>with Numeral of the Saint none of the other knights even come close to him in power.
Oh you know, except Lancelot

>>122637881
>Lancelot is the most skilled
Nope, Lance is stronger, read Gawain's stats in Extra. Managed to lose against Lance even with his cheat codes.
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>>122637859
You don't understand how broken having Instinct is, do you?

Gawain wouldn't even be able to get a hit in on Arturia or Mordred. And before someone goes in and says "BUT MUH AGILITY," all AGI affects his reaction time. He wouldn't be swinging any faster, he would just react faster.
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>>122637941
Go read his thing in Extra, Lancelot kept ducking him until his Sun buff wore off, before he could finally damage/beat him.

It's opposite of what you're saying, they plainly say it in the game.

Lancelot knew he couldn't beat him with the buff, so playing defensive or avoiding until his hour was up.
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>>122637941
Lancelot is nowhere close to Gawain in power, he had to run from him until his buff was gone.
>>122637981
It's already known that he is on par with King Arthur without Numeral of the Saint, and it's not like instinct always works, she still managed to get crippled by fucking Diarmud.
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>>122638074
If you're just looking at the VEEEEEEEERY basic parameters, I guess? Arturia with a competent Master gets A's all across the board, though, which your boy Gawain does not.

Gawain is a one trick pony; there are MANY ways to get around his Numeral of the Saint. Then he's just a dumbed-down Arturia without Instinct or Eye of the Mind and a worse Excalibur.

Of course Instinct didn't work against Diarmuid; she had no knowledge of the properties of his weapon. That's another aspect of Servant battles.

PROTIP: Arturia knows everything about Gawain, and Gawain about Arturia. Arturia wins that fight.
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>>122638210
I think you're underestimating how ludicrous his stats are with Numeral of the Saint active are. Also, Saber with Rin certainly does not have stats that are all A, and Rin is one of the most competent masters you can have.
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>>122638210
>If you're just looking at the VEEEEEEEERY basic parameters, I guess?

No, that's said in the game

>02 - "The White Knight of the Round Table."
>The White Knight of the Round Table.

>Widely considered to be equal of King Arthur by many and the wielder of the lesser-known holy sword Galatine, Sir Gawain was fiercely loyal to the king, or more accurately, the King's station. Unlike Sir Bedivere, a trusted friend of Arthur's who wished only that he would find peace and contentment, Gawain's only concern was that Arthur maintain the throne of Britain.

>If King Arthur was seen as the personification of the moon, then Sir Gawain was the harbinger of the sun. He was frequently compared with Arthur, although Gawain himself ignored these comparisons and devoted himself to serving his king to the best of his abilities. Though loyal to the end, his irrational hatred of Sir Lancelot proved to be his and Arthur's undoing.

>Though Arthur eventually forgave his wayward knight's transgressions, Sir Gawain could not find it within himself to do the same until the very last moments of his life and only after being stripped of his knighthood, excommunicated from the church, and causing the downfall of his sovereign king.

>With his dying breath, he swore that if he was ever given a second chance at life, he'd support his king, no matter what. Upon being reincarnated as a Servant, Gawain devotes himself completely to the goals of his Master and by doing so hopes to gain absolution for the sins of the past.
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>>122637060

There is a picture of Sakura with a Shadow Giant on her shoulder from Extra material and an original picture draft of Taiga both from HF True.
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>>122626651
People hate UBW Good because it's out of place. Also, Saber a meh.
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>>122638315
His stats mean nothing if he can't get a hit in. Instinct is literal precognition, so whatever action Gawain makes, Arturia will see it and react to it accordingly. Essentially N+1 Rank AGI. Leo and Rin are close to equal in quality as mages, and Saber still trumps Gawain in several areas while being equal to him in others.

PROTIP: Plus modifiers indicate a possible increase in the value of that stat's effective value, not a constant value.

>>122638318
>Widely considered

I'm not seeing anything anything that says that they ARE equals, just that there are people out there who think of them as equals.
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>>122638571
>His stats mean nothing if he can't get a hit in. Instinct is literal precognition

Damn you're stupid, I guess according to you Arthur was never once hit in F/SN, and Spider-man has never once been hit by anything.

She gets hit a lot, Instinct isn't absolute anything.
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>>122638571
If people far and wide consider them equals, it probably has some merit. Besides, you're severely overestimating instinct. It isn't an autowin by any means.
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>>122638618
You missed the part where I said that Arturia knows all of Gawain's moves and would be able to identify him immediately.

It'd be a battle until Numeral of the Saint runs out, and then Arturia outclasses him and he gets BTFO.
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>>122638720
You're acting like Gawain is some random shitter without Numeral of the Saint. He's ridiculously strong even without it, there's no chance that he gets easily beaten even without it.
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>>122638755
No, it'd be a good fight, but Arturia just has too many other things in her favor once Numeral of the Saint runs out.
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>>122638720
Without Numeral of the saint he's Saber's equal, with Numeral he's her better by about x3, but this is still his main edge in battle. Once it runs out he's lost his main weapon, but shit ain't that easy. Lancelot could only survive because he's got skills for days and is smart about it. Without Numeral they're about equal, don't expect this to be auto-win anything. Even if both Excaliburs collide it wouldn't be his death since the difference is only one +. Even if it still takes its toll with the 50 damage left over, like when Ea and Excalibur collided and Saber didn't die even though it was overpowered.

Both fighters have their styles and abilities, just like against Lancelot it could have gone either way when she fought him easily. If Lancelot didn't want to die because he wanted to be punished, it could have gone far worse.

Fighters who are on the same level like this, it only takes one or two things in either direction to tip the scale.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcz9so1gMq8

So many powers in history seem to boil down to "1v1 me fgt"

>Sword Camelot
>A special type of codecast known as a "Finality".
>A secret spell that a renowned magus family passes down in its lineage.
>Sword Camelot is the secret codecast of the Harways.
>It's a castle used so that two knights who value honor can determine who is the better of the two without the interference of interlopers.
>The wall of flame encircling their surroundings cannot be destroyed unless it is by the welder of a holy sword who is against the duel.
>Oh and that magic missile that a certain magic user used to destroy this reeeeally priceless relic ought to eventually fall in the category of Finalities.
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Keep posting, nerds.
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>>122637046
>Leo and Kariya
>A King and A Homeless
>dat economic gap
kek
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>>122640142
1,000,000pp per month allowance. Kid basically owns the world at the moment as well.
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>Father and son in law right next to each other
Nice.
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In Fate, Saber becomes happy with all of her life and of which she achieved. She also gets to experience true love. And she can rest at peace knowing that everything is/was fine, and she have no desire for the grail. Calmed by this, she longs to end the time-loop of which aims for the grail.
In UBW Good, Saber is in despair, the grail turns out to be corrupted and she has no idea of what to do. She doesn't get to experience true love. She still can't stand her past life/achievements and isn't happy/proud of anything.
She does however find 2 friends.
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Reading through again, it's always nice enough

>Gilgamesh :: It’s not like you to expose your true substance like this, woman. A dull resolution it may be, but I will cut you down here!

>Without hesitation, Gilgamesh dives straight for BB, sword out. That rush is the time time to draw a weapon…in the instant before he reaches BB,

>Archer :: Che, that’s a fast response you’ve got. I was hoping to take your head off while you were preoccupied with BB.

[Robin Hood appears in front of BB.]

>Gilgamesh :: Rat! Your skills in the assassination of the unaware are superb, but that is all…!

>Archer…! That’s right, BB still has this Servant! This is bad. While we waste time on this, the Labyrinth is still being expanded — !

>BB :: Heehee. “An AI cannot pursue unnecessary actions”…you’re right about that. According to Leo’s theory, the reason I enhance my memory and the reason I expand the Labyrinth are different. As I don’t have a reason to expand the Labyrinth, if you don’t force me into it I won’t do it. A splendidly done inquiry. But it didn’t help you in the end. While senpai was having all that trouble with Karna, BB-chan has been briskly digging her way ah…!?

>BB :: Wha, what is this power…!? Such damage output from the point where my lies don’t hold true…!

>Leo :: We’ve kept you waiting, Hakuno. My fullest thanks for your work for us in general affairs. From here on, this is my job. I will repay you for your cooperation and achievements will all my power.

>Leo, Gawain! So this wall of fire came from one of their skills? BB is completely surrounded by it. The flames must prevent transfer, because it looks like BB can’t run away.

>BB :: Kk…this incredible firepower, far outside my expectations…being of the same power level as Karna, I’d assumed this one couldn’t do anything either. I suppose it’s the difference in the power of the Master.
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>>122640721
>Leo :: I’m honored by your praise, but I didn’t come here to chat. Finality, “Sword Camelot: The Brilliant Castle Where Holy Swords Assemble.” Even I can only maintain it for three minutes. In that time, we will destroy you, BB.

>BB :: Archer, your assistance…!

>Archer :: No can do. I can’t break down a wall like that, holy sword or not. Sorry, but you’ll have to put up with it for three minutes, BB.

>BB :: Che, useless aren’t you…!

>Leo :: Gawain. It will not be necessary to hold back against this AI. You’ve done well bearing with this for me so far. Let the calender cycle ’round and the curtain rise on a fortunate day. Now — this is your moment.

>Gawain :: At your will. Servant, Saber. By the Holy Sword of the Sun, I will burn away the moon’s impurity.

>BB :: …so you’ve come. You knew that I had forces lying in ambush, didn’t you. I’m in a bit of a pinch at this point, aren’t I? That’s all right. I’m prepared. The end always comes too fast, doesn’t it. Hehe — now then, please do whatever you like, however you desire. Our pleasant reality ends here. Like a nightmare — no, I will have to show you that this reality has already been swallowed by nightmares — !

>Perhaps having resigned herself, BB spreads her arms wide, as if in invitation for Gawain. There is nothing clouded in Leo’s coolheaded expression. We’ve found the way out, the last battle is beginning — !

>Gawain :: Guaaah…!

>Leo :: Tk…!

>BB :: Heehee, too fast indeed. Is this the highest spec-ed team from the Holy Grail War, then?

>That battle ended in BB’s favor. That can’t — AIs like BB can’t do anything to harm Masters, can they…!?

>BB :: Ah, that stupid setting. While all of you were playing with Lip I did some self-modding and got rid of that old thing. You know why I sent out an Alter Ego first? They’re offshoots of myself. When you hurt Lip, you hurt me.
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>>122640790
>Rani :: Her founding order of self-preservation…! By exposing herself to danger, she can make it a legitimate self-defense — She overrode her original setting “cause no harm to Masters” with a higher priority…!

>BB :: Yep, that’s right ♥ Which means that nobody can stop me anymore. Well then, all that moving about has made me hungry. I’ll just be eating up all of Gawain’s data now, thanks ♥

>Leo :: Ts…! Gawain, as bearer of the command seal, I command you! The contract you made with Leo B. Harway has now, retroactively, been revoked back in the preliminaries of the Holy Grail War!

>BB :: !

>Gawain :: Wha, what are you saying Leo, if I do that you’ll be — !

>Leo :: With three command spells together, I make this my edict! Sir Gawain — If any of a king’s authority remains in me, then once more, surely.

>Gawain :: Leo…!

>The figure of Gawain vanishes. It looked like he was transported away, but that was no transfer. Those swallowed by the black noise are unable to transfer. That was, I would guess, the act of cancelled one’s contract, and returning one’s Servant back to “where they came from.” Leo, knowing that it meant they would never meet again, saved Gawain from BB’s magical grasp —

>BB :: …impudent, aren’t you. It feels like a feast I had waited and waited for was snatched away before my eyes. I am now exceedingly angry. I had thought I might return you to the near side, but plans have changed. Farewell. Please, vanish into the sea of imaginary numbers, now.
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