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So what's Japan's problem with reverse importing?

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Apparently there's a movement from Japan right now to stop ANIME from being released on bluray stateside because of reverse importing.

Instead of looking at the US as the problem, maybe they should look in the mirror and think "Hmmm.... maybe we shouldn't charge so much for blurays?" Because they charge an arm and a leg. I wanted to import JoJo but after seeing the price for volume 1; $90 for six episodes; I said fuck that noise.
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>>122420853
>So what's Japan's problem with reverse importing?
They lose money that way.

>"Hmmm.... maybe we shouldn't charge so much for blurays?"
This is how you find the newfags on /a/.
The anime community is inelastic. There's a bunch of guys who will buy the BDs even for these ridiculous prices. The rest of Japan wouldn't buy them even if you offered them for American prices.

Lurk more.
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>>122420853
>reverse importing
That's exporting. You're just describing normal importing
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>>122420853
Nice shit taste anon.
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>>122420853
Japan doesn't care. BDs and DVDs get released in the west long after they're released in Japan, the dedicated people buying that stuff in Japan are the ones who put up most of the money that projects make.

>I wanted to import JoJo but after seeing the price for volume 1; $90 for six episodes; I said fuck that noise.
You sound new. I'm just sad you didn't buy the BDs and blog some more about how they lacked subtitles.
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>>122420853
>reverse importing
wtf does it even means? Japanese importing US-released anime to Japan?
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>>122420853
>$90 for six episodes
>animators are paid less than people flipping burgers
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Japan's model is shit and if it collapses then good.
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SOLUTION: do NOT support studios that charge extra for NA bluray releases and studios that refuse to license bluray releases for NA market #votewithyourdollar
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>>122421275
Didn't the japanese Jojo BD include subtitles?
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>>122421601
Yes
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OP is a goddamn moron.

>>122421078
/thread
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>>122421078
>The rest of Japan wouldn't buy them even if you offered them for American prices
It would kill DVD sales at least.
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>>122421078
>There's a bunch of guys who will buy the BDs even for these ridiculous prices. The rest of Japan wouldn't buy them even if you offered them for American prices.
Then why do half-priced volumes sell so much better? I agree with japan's pricing, but this argument is not sound at all.
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>Buying a blu ray collection for less than 60 dollars in japan
>But exporting costs atleast 400 dollars
eat shit.
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>>122421371
It's their fault for getting into the anime industry in the first place.

Also, flipping burgers is a more important job than animation. If you're a yank, who the hell is going to flip your burgers? You'll die of hunger.

But then, we have too many fucking Chinese cartoons and 99% of it is crap. It doesn't matter if their job is more skilful. It's what the world needs.

People need food, not Chinese cartoons. You won't die if some faggot studio decides not to make a sequel to your favourite cartoon.
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lel, same with videogames in europe
it's cheaper to buy in canada of all places
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>>122421801
>>Then why do half-priced volumes sell so much better?
They don't. You're literally making shit up. Halving the price will never attract double the customers.
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>>122421821
I just find it absolutely adorable how we spend so much time complaining about the quality of pirated shows when the people making them are actually dying for misery wages.
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>>122421929
>Halving the price will never attract double the customers.
And you're literally making this shit up. Stop acting like you know what you're talking about.
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>>122421952
>deen probably has a bunch of slave working animators
>WHY IS THE ANIMATION SO TERRIBLE, HOLY SHIT DEEN SUCKS DICK, HOPE IT BOMBS IN SALES
no wonder they kill themselves.
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>>122421952
They're working in a field they love. That's the price you pay, sometimes.
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>>122421802
But that money goes to the shipping company, not local business.
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>>122421145
Go back to whatever shit place you come from.
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>>122421989
Looks like someone never took an Economics course.
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>>122421821
>He doesn't flip his own burgers
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>>122422193
>He flips his own burgers
>he does it for free
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>>122422227
>He would rather pay an angry spic to flip his burgers
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>>122422007
I would gladly wait 2 weeks per episode if it ment the animators could do their work under easier and relaxed circumstances.
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Maybe R1 anime industry should just die instead?
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>>122422331
You think they spend a week animating each episode? That's adorable.

They have them all in production at the same time. A fortnightly schedule would kill ratings.
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>>122422105
Who cares about liberal arts course
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>>122422331
Too bad you're not japanese and the industry doesn't give a shit about you.
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>>122422427
What did you expect?
This is a newfag thread.
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>>122422438
>being proud of your ignorance
Kill yourself
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>>122420853

No company is going to cut off an established market like that, it's like throwing away money.

They've got a few options, but by far the smartest would be pressuring American publishers/distributors to prevent their products from being shipped to Japan. Most likely by imposing prohibitively expensive "shipping fees".
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>>122422427
Iirc, katanagatari wasn't a flop and it aired monthly.
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>>122422494
>abloobloobloo
This is how you sound
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>>122422450
I thank god for that everyday, being under watchful eyes like those
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>>122422536
No, that's how you sound. Read a book retard.
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>>122422533
Because it had far higher quality, it was a design decision. You think people are going to wait 2 weeks for DEEN?
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>>122422585
Maybe deen shows would be of higher quality like back in the 90s if they had a monthly schedule.
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>>122422504
>imposing prohibitively expensive "shipping fees".
It's called tax.
Just make up an "animation tax" and you're ready to go.
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>>122422585
ofcourse, why not, give them time and you'll get decent animation/drawings too

as it is right now its a joke, I don't eve need to mention old fate/stay
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>>122422632
No, they wouldn't. They'd have a higher quality if they spent more effort on it.
Time between airings != time spent animating.
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>>122422666
So you want them to work twice as hard on generic harem shit?
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>>122420853
>poorfags
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>>122422682
are you implying their animators are lazy

or are you expecting them to draw 11+ hours a day so you can shit on them on a burmese internet board
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>>122422695
giving them more time to animate does not equal slave work
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>>122422729
>are you implying their animators are lazy
I meant to say the studio has a very small budget and only pays for so many workers.
Their equipment is probably sub-par as well.

But they are not doing anime episodes in singular weeks.
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>>122422695
I like their harems. Seizon, korean desk car. Wish they made more.
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>>122422788
Sure, but do you think those shows would really be improved by a higher budget and longer production times? It's a case of diminishing returns, you don't spend twice the money on a show that's going to make the same amount back either way.
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>>122422853
>would really be improved by a higher budget and longer production times?
totally.
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>>122422853
FSN and Umineko could've made some serious money if they worked harder on them.
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>>122421821
>You won't die if some faggot studio decides not to make a sequel to your favourite cartoon
Speak for yourself faggot.
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>>122422639

Taxes would have to be imposed by government. And if you're talking about tariffs, we have trade agreements that prevent those.
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>2015
>buying anime
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>>122423219
>Taxes would have to be imposed by government.
So?
Anime is a big industry. No reason not to support it.
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how the fuck does anime sell in japan? do they have super strict torrent laws over there?
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>>122423283
Jap anime watchers have finished high school
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>>122422504
Most likely by insisting on releases that are months late and/or hardsubbed, so that Amazon Japan doesn't try stocking them instead of the jp release like they did with Persona 4 before it was changed to dub only. The shit video quality helps too even though they don't even need to ask for that.
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>>122422964
DEEN just doesn't like powerlevel shit. It's not like you kids would have seen the heights in animation they reached in Jigoku Shoujo: Mitsuganae.
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>>122423283
BD boxes are really nice.
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>>122423325
>Finished high school

I did too, Anon. Doesn't mean I have a steady job and money to blow.
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>>122423375
Tsuiokuhen had great animation for its action scenes. Umineko didn't really need fantastically animated magic fights, just more consistent visuals and more faithful to the source writing.
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>>122423283
Hard-working salarymen love their kids and buy them stuff.
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>>122423283
>how the fuck does anime sell in japan?
You mean
>How the fuck does the average anime manage to sell 5 000 BDs in a country with 130 000 000 people?

Just putting things into perspective.
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>>122423468
>Hard-working salarymen love their kids
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>>122423429
Most japs who buy BDs are single well off salarymen.
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>>122423382
are they much nicer than what gets released here?
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>>122423528
Lurk the buyfag threads.
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In all honesty, they can't stop it all, anyway. Japan doesn't control mail to U.S. bases.
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>>122423514
Or maybe they hate their hikikomori guts but still give them money to blow on haremshit.
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>>122423528
I'm not sure
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>>122423525
>Single
Oops.
>Well off
Damn
>Salarymen
Not that either.
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Well, anime aren't exactly selling exceptionally well in Japan anyway, so they have to charge ridiculous prices per episode to make the production cost back.
Extremely successful anime make an ample surplus, sure, but the majority is barely scraping by.
So, I can understand why they dislike reverse importing. It bears the risk of ruining the anime industry.
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>>122420853
OP is a retard. Go to class and grow up.
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>>122423456
Yes, the if the average age of the viewer is older or more female, DEEN will show their true colors.
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>>122420853
>Apparently there's a movement from Japan right now to stop ANIME from being released on bluray stateside because of reverse importing.
waaaaaaaaah. Cry me a fucking river nips.
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>>122423511
thats not a lot

if I lived there I would probably buy a thousand copies of the black lagoon ova if it ment pushing the mangaka into high gear to start drawing again.

I'm that rich and I'm that much of a dick, I want my fucking black lagoon
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>>122420853
I don't geddit? they're afraid of nips buying amurika!!!! dubbed animu? who buys that shite? and most nips including otaku nips suck at understanding even broken engrish.

are there jews in japan?
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>>122423896
Or you can just hold his waifu hostage.
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>>122423925
>jews in japan?
yup, but asian jews, not the israeli jews that you and I know
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>>122423925
This is the kind of post that makes me worried for /a/'s future.
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>>122423956
You don't need to worry.

Stop responding to it.
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>>122423951
>chinkjews ruin everything.
we /pol/ and /v/ now.
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>>122423896
>I'm that rich and I'm that much of a dick, I want my fucking black lagoon
You're also that stupid.
Rather than buying BDs, it would be smarter to directly push for an S2. Join the committee, slap the unwilling guys with dollar notes and make your American presence felt.
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ITT: Newfag retards bitch and moan that they're too poor to buy the actual discs and not some localized pile of bargain bin wal-mart trash

Why the fuck would you buy anime at all except to collect it and support the studio? You can't do either of those things with localized shit.
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>>122424226
>slapping others with dollar notes to make them do your bidding

Is this how america works?
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>>122424380
It's how Japan works too, only they fill socks with yen and hit people
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>>122424228
Aniplex USA has some great collectors sets.
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No problem, pretty much all the anime is going to be on streaming sites or netflix anyway.

Why bother buying hardcopies. All the jap companies have to do is deny rights if they intend to print a hardcopy.
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>>122424574
>Collector sets
>Postcards
>Tiny, low quality posters
>Stickers
>$499 USD
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>>122424707
But netflix doesn't have nice ass boxes
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>>122424929
>i have nothing better to decorate my home with than trite merchendise
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What IS reverse importing for fuck's sake?

You have important and export.

What is the reverse thing I don't know
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>>122424929
Why would you want one? Just buy some merch if you want to look at pretty pictures.
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>>122425134
You are not a clever man.
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>>122425145
To support the studio.
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>>122425134
>What IS reverse importing for fuck's sake?
Importing something that originally was made in your own country.
You hear the term more regularly in the context of cars and the likes.
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>>122425125
>mai waifu
>trite

Nigga i'll cut you
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>>122421371
>animators are paid less than people flipping burgers
David Pro is not one of those studios, the GemWorld short costed more then any of the Korean studios used by Warner Bros, even Rough Draft.
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>>122425286

Unh... do people in this thread realize they are using the term wrongly?

It is just importing. If they really care so much about reverse importing, why not sell it abroad or sell it cheapter?

It's not that hard.
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>>122426296
>why not sell it abroad
Too expensive by Western standards.
>sell it cheapter
That could potentially ruin the industry.
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>>122426754
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>>122426989
?
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>>122423254
The Japanese government hates anime.
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>anon can't into basic concept offer and supply
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>>122427317
Wasn't the Manga-Anime Guardians thing funded by the government? Have people forgotten the time when Nyaa suffered all those DDOS attacks coming from Japan, or is everyone just that new?
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>>122427317
Yes, that's why they pour so much money into Anime Mirai every year. Because they hate anime, and they want to see the anime industry die.
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>>122427317
They don't hate anime. They just hate the people who watch it.
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Not our fault that Japan is filled with inbred idiots. The entire Anime industry is built upon literally the worst money making strategy I have ever seen.
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>>122427525
They don't hate the people who watch it. They just hate the people that don't pay Japanese day1 release prices for it.
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>>122427587
>They don't hate the people who watch it.
They do though.
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>>122427543
yet somehow, the Japanese industry makes money and the American industry has a bankruptcy every three years or so
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>>122429580
Japan is in a recession for ~20 years now
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>>122425454
Basically everyone except KyoAni is. Things which "have budget" and look good don't pay entry-level animators more per frame, they have more animators (entry-level AND key) working on a looser schedule and turning in their work early enough for thorough correction.
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>>122426296
>Unh... do people in this thread realize they are using the term wrongly?

Anime is made in Japan, it is licensed and distributed elsewhere, and people in Japan import the anime distributed in other countries. That is reverse importing.

>Unh...
Consider suicide お願いします
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>>122425257
Damn. That looks really appealing.
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>>122421330
>wtf does it even means? Japanese importing US-released anime to Japan?
Yes.
Because Japan has hedged itself into some insane price tiering, where two episodes can run $80, because the otaku will buy it.

Except sales aren't doing so well under that model, because otaku don't actually have unlimited money. They're even saying it in their own Japanese discussions; disc sales of many good shows get crowded out by the one or two hits per season.

This isn't new; Japanese companies have gone through multiple waves of freaking out about shrinking internal markets and the cycle of imports and doubling down on the same strategy over and over again. Part of the boom/bust cycle of US anime is related to Japan occasionally trying to kill the US market by jacking up licensing fees to try to match their wild-ass guess of how many local sales they're going to lose.
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I dont get why they are selling BD at such a high price I mean surely the Otaku crowd should be more than 30% of Japanese population surely there is a market for BD hence a lower price is reasonable
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>>122432781
>30% of Japanese population
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