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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/tales-of-the-industry/2015-03-10/.85753

What anime are they talking about? Sailor Moon?
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I too am interested.
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I feel like I'd know if I actually lived in America and would be in a position to know which girly 90s anime released in the 00s came with a keychain.
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Can bamco sue them?
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>>122335816
Bamco certainly seems stupid enough to do such a thing.
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>>122334957
>We cannot allow this doll to be sold to the public. Every unit must be recalled immediately and destroyed. The product must be reprinted immediately, at your company's expense.
>This is not acceptable solution on our end. We must insist that your company locate and retrieve every individual unit from end consumer and destroy all copies currently in existence.
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/tales-of-the-industry/2015-02-24/.84253

This is horrifying.
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>>122334957
Can someone summarize the article for me?
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>>122334957
Isn't this about Nanoha?
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>>122336440
Act 1
>US localization company licenses 100+ episode long 90s anime
>anime is "pretty cheap looking, and a little girly", "fast-paced, had a TON of dialogue, and a decent amount of action and comedy" and "definitely a weird show, but it was similar in both demographic and tone with one of our bestsellers, so we expected it to be at least a cult hit"
>sales guys got the US release title to be the shortened Japanese nickname instead of the full title (think Pokemon as compared to Pocket Monsters) because they didn't want to piss off soccer moms with a certain word in the full title

Act 2
>localizers decide to release volume 1 with a soft keychain of show mascot
>blurry 35mm slides are inconsistent with mascot's color so they ask the Japanese company
>Japanese company tells them it's eggshell beige
>chinese production company rolls out the keychains just in time for release
>volume 1 sells pretty well and people like the keychain

Act 3
>Japanese company contacts localizers to tell them the mascot should be white
>Ignores the email evidence that they told them it was supposed to be eggshell
>Demands the localizers recall all the keychains in existence, destroy them, and reprint them in the correct color
>Localizers offer to pull them off the shelves but point out it is impossible to get them back from the end consumers
>Japs ignore them and repeat demands
>When localizers fail to comply on account of it being financially impossible Japs give localizers permanent silent treatment and ignore all contacts from then on including requests for approval for marketing materials
>Sales drop off a cliff because the localizers are completely unable to market the show in the middle of the 00s anime DVD boom without the Japs approving ads and merchandise
>Show fails in the US
>Company never localized any of the rest of the franchise
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>>122334957
>You can't explain to people what happened
Why?
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>>122336953
Corporate dealings like these are generally blanketed by non-disclosure.
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>>122334957
>it's just a type of ANN article, not the announcement of a Tales Of game in the vein of Segagaga
Fuck you OP.
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>>122336905
Thanks dude.
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>>122336785
100+ episode TV show?
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>>122337079
They obviously changed some facts around so people wouldn't be able to identify it easily.
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>>122334957
Rayearth is the only one I know with a white-ish mascot.
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>>122337169
Mascot? There is pretty much nothing besides "mechanical" in the name to even hint at nanoha.
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The only thing that the article really reveals is that it was a show that had a name change for the Western market. Probably something relatively long, wasn't very popular, and released by Geneon ("Genom"). If we start thinking of shows that fit that description we can possibly figure it out.
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>>122334957
I doubt it's Sailor Moon. The problem with that is that Japan kept giving the U.S. companies horrible film masters to work with, first for the R box set and even the BD release last year.
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>>122337931
It'd be more precise to think of a show that was released with a miscolored toy.
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>>122337931
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=1782
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>>122336174
Japanese companies are all run by old men in their 70s who can be very obtuse.
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It's hard to speculate what show it was because there's no telling how many details have been changed to preserve the anonymity of the speaker.
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>>122339365
Certain elements of the story can't change or the narrative doesn't work the same way.

Show has a marketable blend of action and comedy
Show has a lot of dialogue including puns and technical jargon (enough to exhaust a translator)
Show has a high episode count
Show has sequel shows/ova's/movies
Show has some kind of mascot character
Released in english during the mid 2000's boom
English release had one of those chipboard collector boxes on its first disc release

There's wiggle room in any retelling of a story, but if he changed any of those points the entire thing may as well be made up
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>>122334957
For a second I thought this was something Tales games related. Now I'm bored.
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it sounds like CCS to me
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>>122339763
Well, I can see Sailor Moon or Card Captor Sakura
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>>122339871
Except that CCS got television airing in the early 00s, not direct to disc.
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>>122339781
Me too.
I thought we were going to have a Tales of Game featuring the problems of today's industry.
Where there's a war between the underwhelming Western Country that develops Cinematic experiences that do not deliver anything of substance and get money for it, vs the Hard working Eastern Country that tries to develop for the value the product is being sold at but is shunned for it's different style outside of it's country.
Meanwhile a third even more evil party is trying to ruin the products of both countries with a false banner of equality when in fact it's a bid for power.
The Final Boss is Mobile Gaming and the Super Boss is shitty artistic indie games like YIIK
I dunno what's worse, the fact that game calls itself a 'Post Modern RPG' or the fact the main character is literally a self insert of one of the devs
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>>122334957

>What anime are they talking about?

FUCK, this is going to bother me for the rest of the day
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>>122340035
I don't even know what you're talking about. It sounds like a bunch of wank that belongs in /v/, though.
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>>122339871
CCS never got a collector's box with its first disc, though.
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Let's put it this way.

Did anyone obtain an official figure goods back then that ended up being the wrong color according to the Japanese?
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>>122340918
Let's put it another way.
Was anyone on /a/ born early enough to be in a position to purchase collectors editions of anime DVDs during the mid 2000s boom?
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>>122334957
>it was something of a cult hit in the latter-day VHS fansub era

>It was definitely a weird show, but it was similar in both demographic and tone with one of our bestsellers
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Surely there can't be all that many Geneon shows that were re-titled for US release.
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>>122341084
Everybody in the ANN comments seems to know what show it is.
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I bet someone will figure out the series and "Brian" will lose his job.
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>>122341084
>It was definitely a weird show, but it was similar in both demographic and tone with one of our bestsellers
They might be referring to Excel Saga here, maybe.
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>>122341625
>It's [censored]
This is why I was planning to not read their comments.

>>122341669
Something in the full Japanese title would have offended American soccer moms.
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It's Excel Saga and the mascot plush is menchi. It seems like a stretch with the details provided, but given the message staff posted in the forums about censoring all speculation I'm led to believe they outright lied about certain details in order to protect the guy.
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>>122342598
>they outright lied about certain details

You mean, like they said they did?
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>>122342725
They said they'd change around unimportant details, but they did more than that with some of the more important facts. Like the title of the anime. Saying it had a bad word in it is pretty important to the story in my eyes, but that's not why Excel Saga's title got shortened.
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So we know the following:
>More than 100 episodes
>Title changed for US release
>Bad Japanese Puns
>Similar to then-popular series
>US release during Anime Boom
>Japanese release during VHS Subbing Era
>Followed up by later series, OVAs, and a Movie
>Released by Geneon
>Mascot Character
>Has Technical Jargon
>First Box set was a chipboard release
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>>122342834
Most of what you listed could be things the editor changed up to throw people off.

You don't even need half of that in order to know what show it is.
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>>122342834
>Followed up by later series, OVAs, and a Movie

Which were never officialy published in English supposedly.
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I'm thinking Kodocha since that has a mascot, ripe with Japanese puns and really long
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>>122342834
>>More than 100 episodes
>>We repackaged the discs in a ThinPak, but couldn't do any marketing for that either. It was over.

>>100 episodes
>>Thinpack

There is so much misinformation we might truly never know.
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Its obviously excel since its the only one where the problem could have happened
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But didn't Excel Saga do really well.
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>>122340324
>implying most anime isnt originally /v/idya
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>>122342598
I did spot that one of the posts which was subsequently deleted pointed out "how many anime released in the mid 2000s came with a plush?
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>>122343315
But Excel Saga isn't mid 00s, it was late 90s
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>>122343356
It was a 90s show which was released early-to-mid-00s in the US, apparently.

Excel Saga and Kodomo no Omocha seem to fit the description.
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This is a retarded clickbait article if you think about it.

Since they have to change SO much they can just write anything they want since you can't fact check anything.
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Still upset about Pearl Harbor?
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>>122343013
>>122343211
The one detail we know for sure because it's central to the story is that an additional extra was the wrong color.
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>IT'S EXCEL SAGA IT'S EXCEL SAGA
>Followed up by later series, OVAs, and a Movie
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>>122342818
Excel Saga's title was changed?
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>>122343425
You know this really feels like two stories combined. Oh huge lies.

Cause the final part of the article doesn't really seem to apply to Excel Saga at all, which did fine.
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>>122343315
It could have been a keychain.
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>>122343514
The Japanese title is Heppoko Jikken Animation Excel Saga.
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>>122343514
From the original Japanese title, yes.
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>>122343475
Did Excel Saga ever get a movie? I know Episode 26 is an OVA
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>>122343428

And they'll actually go to lengths to censor anyone in the forum who happens to guess it right. How about not even have the article at all. So the rest of these entries for this column are just going to be "Americans bitch about Japanese pedantry."
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>>122343425
>Kodomo no Omocha
>Half done
>OVAs
>The title was original CHILD'S TOY

It seems like it's more likely this.
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>>122343475
> details have been changed to protect people's jobs
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That logo reminds me of Sharin no Kuni. Damn gears.
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>>122343578
They should just disable comments.

>>122343591
It also has a white mascot.
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>>122343425
>Kodomo no Omocha
It fits
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>>122343632
No movie though. Was it ever fansubbed on VHS tapes?
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>>122343608

Then it could be literally anything. The episode length, that there might have been followups, that the keychain or whatever was the wrong color. There's no reason to believe anything remotely like this ever happened. We don't know who the person is and we have zero reason to believe their story.
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"Genom" is clearly Geneon but what is Japan Codex Systems?
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Also sounds like a Cyber Team in Akihabara. That had a movie too.
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They would have had no problem getting high quality Menchi artwork from the distributor. And Excel Saga was popular. It's the reason all you faggots know about it.

Kodomo no Omocha fits the missing piece better. WAY better.
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>>122343691
Nihon Ad Systems.
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>>122343706

Could be, but I guess you just need to toss out the "100+" episodes as a blatant lie.

>>122343632

I wonder what they'd do if you had a thread in the 'Anime' section. Either way, Herr Zac can't stop people from discussing it across the internet.
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>>122336357
>later that weekend, after a Millennium Actress screening, someone in the audience had told him that they didn't like the ending and asked him to make a new one.

How do you reply to this?
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>>122343744
NAS only ever worked on Yu-Gi-Oh and Eyeshield 21, neither of which fit
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>>122343829
You make End of Evangelion.
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tldr: anime industry sucks
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>>122343591
Would fit with the idea that it was shortened to Kodocha but how much action does it have and what bestseller is it similar in demographic to?
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>>122343829
"Shut up you autistic faggot."
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>>122343845
They did Kodomo no Omocha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodocha
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>>122343737
>popular
>good sells
These two are not mutually exclusive. Most know about Excel because it was on Comcast's OnDemand.
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>>122343591
Why would the sales team throw a fit over the title being Child's Toy? There are literally zero negative connotations in it unless you belong in a mental hospital.
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>>122343912
I stand corrected
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>>122343934
>Most know about Excel because it was on Comcast's OnDemand.

That's not quite true, friend.
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>>122343872
That HONESTLY depends who is saying that as long as it's not a lie.
It could just be some faggot who looked at this and goes "Hey it looks like Sailor Moon"

Out of everything, it fits the mascot and changed name, along with failing.
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>>122343737
That is way too adorable.
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>>122343934
>Most know about Excel because it was on Comcast's OnDemand.

Most people of YOUR generation probably. Certainly not when THIS articles time frame takes place.
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>>122344059
OnDemand was available during the exact time this supposedly happened.

Try again.
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I'm more concerned about why they thought it so urgent that the miscolored toy must have all copies of it tracked down and erased from existence. Is this one of those SHAMEFUR DISPRAY things?
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>>122336357
Jesus Christ, that was painful to read.
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>>122344059
>mid 2000's anime
>already a generational divide

Fuck, really? It's weird to think shows I started watching then when they were new are now "old" or "classics." Shit can't really move that fast, can it?
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>>122344134
Gotta control that brand. You have an exact image in your mind of how that character looks, and you can't have official merch that's the wrong shade. Artists can be weird and demanding, and it's probably the mangaka or something who complained (they tend to have more control there). Since Japan cares far more about them than some gaijins, they'll happily make unreasonable demands like this.
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>>122344168
No, he's just retarded. Nobody from whatever divide he thinks he's referring to would even be in this thread.
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>>122344168
Nigga the first anime I watched was Evangelion around 1999 when I was ~10. The thing was already 3 years old then, and it's nearing being a 20 year old show now.

It can and it DOES go that fast, deal with it.
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>>122339763
>Show has a lot of dialogue including puns and technical jargon (enough to exhaust a translator)
Highly doubt it's Sakura or Sailor Moon then, by this virtue alone.

I think the technical jargon part is the most likely part of the story to be unaltered.

That being said though, I don't think it's Kodomo no Omocha either. Just doesn't seem to fit that well.
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>>122344168
It is definitely a generational divide. That era was the era of everything getting DVD releases, which ended when the bubble burst and the boom ended. The current era is a new boom of everything getting simulcasted, whether aired on Animax or streamed by Crunchyroll and Funimation. The former had Fullmetal Alchemist and Fate Stay Night in it, the current one has Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works in it.
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>>122344395
how long will this era last?
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I never watched Kodomo no Omocha, is it full of the kind of dialogue to make a translator want to hang himself?
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It's really 100% Kodomo no Omocha.

What's really weird is that Excel Saga has ANYTHING that matches up with it.
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Well, anime DID have a pretty well-earned reputation for pandering to kiddie-loving perverts at the time. Maybe they were worried about fallout from that?
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>>122344448
Before 2020, when the Tokyo government bans anime to make itself presentable for the Olympics.
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>>122344449
The main character talks fast with a lot of non sequiturs and the dialogue is filled with puns.
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>>122344513

Yep. I wonder what year they'll start rounding up all of the hentai artists and bringing them to the camps. 2018?
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Now nothing comes out on dvd or even bluray in the West.
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>>122344449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Wr32bG3aQ
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>>122344513
>>122344559
>Tourist rides to Akiba
>It's as "cleaned-up" as Times Square is now
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>>122344293
Nope, you're a tard.

Go look at what mainstream animu watchers watch. That's the new generation. Notice how they all, for some inexplicable reason have seen Sora no Otoshimono.

Now look at what the people who have owned DVDs have seen. Baffle in the absurdity of a whole generation that doesn't know what Tenchi Muyo is, nor Initial D.
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>>122344594
That fucking scratching is horrible. I cant hear anything over it.
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>>122344592
>west

I don't know what part of the "west" you're thinking of, but that certainly isn't true here.
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>>122344449
>An overly cheerful and outgoing 11-year-old girl. She is a child actress whose best performance is in a popular variety program called Child's Toy.

Could be tv and idol industry jargon.
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>>122344684
>Kodomo no Omocha
I never liked tenchi
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>>122344449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nKzlkQrpAQ
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Are these joke subs?
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>>122344684
>Tenchi Muyo, nor Initial D

It's not like they're missing much.
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>>122344513
Things are going to get really ugly.
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>>122344684
I was more so arguing against the divide happening during the mid 2000s but I suppose that's beside your point.
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>>122344714
Yet you know what it is.
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Speaking of Kodocha is there a version of the OVA that isn't ripped from a VHS tape?
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>>122344754
No.

She's an unreliable narrator.
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>>122344761
>>122344595
The industry could just move to a city that isn't Tokyo. Or the Japanese government could declare Akihabara to be a no-gaijin zone.
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Did kodochas release include some kind of keychain/plush?
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>>122344449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMSQ3wFawRg
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>>122344699
I'm thinking about the countries I have been to naturally.
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>>122344762
Did it not go

VHS-->small lull-->DVD and Toonami and Pokemon ---> great anime depression --> CR and Netflix save anime and AoT is on the high street ; or something similar?
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>>122344879
Read the thread faggot.
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>>122344759
> Missing multi-track drifting.
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The "Godless" bit brings Kannadzuki no Miko to mind. That was well into the 00's though.

What is optic white?
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>>122344927
Well, that last part isn't quite right, but the rest is a decent enough simplification, yes.
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>>122344938
If I didn't read it how would I be able to guess it really was kodocha? I just saw someone post a picture of the excel saga one not kodocha
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>>122343632
Will they remove any guesses, or just correct ones? If it's only correct ones we can prove if it's Kokomo no Omocha or not.
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>>122344999
That's not actually from Initial D, you know.

>>122345010
>optic white

One of those fancy colors like "wine" that ordinary people don't care about but people who need to be more exact with their colors (professionals) do.
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>>122345044
All guesses, is most likely and what it seems.
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>>122345044

They're probably removing any speculation on the title, wrong or not.
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>watching terrible dub anime on netflix now

At least they put some effort into it about 30% of time during the dvd era
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>>122344999
That's Densha ya dingus.
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>>122345102
It's obviously Kodocha

>100 episodes
>licensed by Funi but never marketed at all
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>>122344879
Well there was a release called a "Babbit box"
And Babbit is the name of the mascot.
Can't find any pictures of the box and the Plush together, because someone already posted pictures of the Plush.

It's not like nowadays where everything is just spread out in a big Amazon picture.
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>>122345155
Still missing a few things
>No Movie
>No "technical jargon"
>Name change doesn't make sense
>Not an action series as described
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>>122345160
It probably is that then
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>>122345027
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I became aware of seeking out anime on my own when torrenting was the rage.

>>122345253
Does it matter if we know what show it is?
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>>122345253
What else could it be? Rayearth?
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>>122345299
That is a bit yellow-y so I guess they added the action and movie parts in to discredit it
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>>122345322
I don't know what it is, but I don't think it's Kodocha.
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>>122345253
>>Name change doesn't make sense
Yes it does.

Anime is for "adults" retard.
We can't name this thing we can't market towards children "Child's toy", mature collectors wouldn't want it.
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>>122345253
>Name change doesn't make sense
It was released overseas as the shortened Kodocha. It fits well enough.
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>>122345375
This anon >>122345299 posted a picture of the plushie and it's definitely a yellow-ish/white color. We have a winner
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>>122345406
According to the article, they had to change the name because "Godless" was slightly offensive. What's so offensive about "A Child's Toy"
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>>122345450
pedo
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>>122345450
Sounds like a sex thing.

In before "You'd have to have a pretty dirty mind to think that"
What the hell do you think you are
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>>122345433
http://www.shopanimedvd.com/product_info.php?products_id=3699

Box set one shipped with a "Babbit bag". It's likely this, especially if the bag and the plush are different colours of "optic white".
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>>122345450
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>>122345450
Sounds too immature for a market that was still primarily aimed at adults.

>>BUT BUT POKEMON AND SAILOR MOON
Not applicable. At least for people trying to sell DVD only anime that isn't going to ever be on television.
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Why would the people on the japanese end get all prissy about the difference between white and eggshell to the point of asking merchandise to be recalled and destroyed? It's not like the average consumer would give a fuck one way or the other.
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>>122345299
>>122345580
Ding.

Plush is eggshell, bag is white.
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>>122345671
Japanese rightsholders can be really anal if they want to. You should watch Shirobako anon, there is a whole story arc about this shit.
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>>122345671
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY
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>>122345580
Oh. Well. There you go.
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>>122345671
>According to the article, they had to change the name because "Godless" was slightly offensive. What's so offensive about "A Child's Toy"

You know how pissy mangaka's are about their characters


>>122345704
>that shitty construction
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>>122345450
I don't know about offensive, but "A Child's Toy" really isn't really a marketable title at all especially in the heyday of Best Buy's anime section. Also it could imply that it's a show for kids, which it was in Japan, but it has a lot of stuff in it that American parents wouldn't consider appropriate for young kids (Rei the "pimp", Sana's birth mom getting knocked up by her uncle, etc).
Or I guess if you think more lewdly, "child's toy" could suggest some kind of nymphet scenario.
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>>122345671
At this point I'm thinking the Japanese were actively trying to sabotage it, for some reason. Only question is why.
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>>122345771
Contact on the Japanese end probably got shit from the parent company for giving out the wrong color and tried to cover his ass by blaming it on the Americans.
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Nice work guys, you just cost Brad the marketing manager his job.
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>>122346195
Now we just need to find out who Brad is!
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>>122346280
Could it be...Zac?!
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So this is the last Tales of the Industry, I'm guessing.
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>>122346369
It was a decade ago, would anybody on the Japanese or the American end even care anymore?
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>>122345722
>>122345725
>>122345750
>>122345771
That still doesn't account for the sheer unprofessionalism on display if what this person said about them refusing response afterwards is true. I mean it's a fucking business environment, act like it and not a petty child. I've heard that Japanese corporate culture can be fucked but I imagined to such a degree.
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>>122346569
This is a culture where you're expected to drink with your colleagues after work even if you are alcohol intolerant.
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Wow /a/ is really full of detectives today.
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>>122346569

Ask Johnathan Clements about the pain and suffering and misery about whether it's a horizon on or in the middle of nowhere.

Hell, what about Eva Rebuild 3.33? They're still bitching about the translation now.
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>>122346747
>Johnathan Clements about the pain and suffering and misery about whether it's a horizon on or in the middle of nowhere.
Literally who? Googled "Jonathan Clements Kyokai Senjo no Horizon" and variations thereof and got nothing.

>Eva Rebuild 3.33? They're still bitching about the translation now.
For good reason, if the stories are true.
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>>122346747
>Hell, what about Eva Rebuild 3.33? They're still bitching about the translation now.
What
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>>122346747
>Hell, what about Eva Rebuild 3.33? They're still bitching about the translation now.

Uh? What did I miss?
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>>122346845

http://schoolgirlmilkycrisis.com

The guy literally has a doctorate in the history of anime.
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>>122346971
I googled Horizon on his blog and got nothing.

How hard is it to monetize a doctorate in anime history?
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>>122346737
This puzzle fucking sucks. How are we supposed to know that Lady Lynx' hat is wet to the touch when there's no visible indicator of such?
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>>122347014

There's not that much of a story to tell, he wrote a few columns for NEO magazine reiterating that Japanese licensors are notorious control freaks and obnoxiously petty and pedantic, on or in being a case in point regardless of what made sense.
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>>122336905
>Japanese company contacts localizers to tell them the mascot should be white
>Ignores the email evidence that they told them it was supposed to be eggshell
>Demands the localizers recall all the keychains in existence, destroy them, and reprint them in the correct color
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>>122347073
>NEO magazine
I see this on the shelves at my local Tesco, and they always seem to be a season or two behind when it comes to sticking a show on the cover.

So the Japanese licensors threw a shitfit over the title "Horizon on the Middle of Nowhere", and he knows this because he has insider industry contacts?
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>>122346195
>I used to work as a marketing manager

Also, would it have been impossible for Brad to oblige and just do a really shitty job of the recall?
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>>122347175
The article says he was pretty new at the time, he probably didn't have enough COMMON SENSE to not blame his point of contact, or to realize he could just draft an email to retailers asking them to send emails to their customers requesting the return of the miscolored toys, and this would be sufficient for Geneon to insist they were doing all they could to fulfil their obligation.
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It's not Geneon, it's Funimation. The bestseller it was similar to is Fruits Basket.
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>>122347157
Go see him live.

He's an amazing compere. He's wasted in print.
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>>122347421
To be fair, Geneon and Funimation were pretty close for a ew years, with Funimation printing Geneon's disks when they downsized
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>>122346737
But you can't tell the hat is wet. Whoever made this is fucking retarded
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>>122348060
Yeah, but this was during the 2005-2006 anime bubble before Geneon collapsed.
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>>122347094
The artist may have thrown a shitfit.
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so, two points to take away:
- japs demand the weirdest shit
- americans feel a need to write fanfiction about how japan totally killed their super-marketable followup action hit by being unreasonable (that was actually a terrible untranslatable comedy that everyone knew in advance was untranslatable and unsellable, that everyone knew only about ten landwhales liked, but one of those ten landwhales happened to be in charge of choosing shit to license)
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>>122349481
>most people are idiots, so most things are decided and made by idiots

more news at 11
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So what was the bestseller that was similar to Kodacha? Funi didn't get Excel Saga until after ADV went defunct.
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what?
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>>122350447
Fruits Basket, it has the same director.
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This incident is probably why no one got the second half of Kodocha

Even if it's a sub-only release, no one wants to go through that bullshit
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What a bizarre article. "Here's something that happened but let's change all the details so we can tell you it happened, but we're actually telling you something that never happened that's kind of like the thing that did."

Why?
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So we now know it's Kodocha.

What are all the lies of the article then?
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>>122352804
The only thing that's different is the name of the series and people involved, though.
Kodocha was always going to be a hard sell, it was dated even back then.
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>>122342598
>putting your dog on the grill
>not putting it in the fridge
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>>122352804
What do you mean? The scenario actually happened, they just changed the name and other details so we wouldn't find out.

They're stupid for not changing the mascot color dispute thing to completely different colors and items though.
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>>122353039
>>122353453
Sorry I was a dumbass and only made it about halfway through the thread before posting. It seemed really perplexing.
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This was obviously Kodocha and would be evident to anybody who even has just a passing knowledge of the show and the details of its North American release.

That said, the guy said that everyone loved the mascot. Fuck no. Babbit is easily the most hated character in Kodocha.
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>>122353971
He's just trying to throw you off, don't fall for his lies!
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>>122353453
All the shit they changed or ignored makes them look better.

→fansub hit implying it's a kenshin, or at least an excel saga where the guy started making you send in tape requests on college letterhead to cut down, rather than something that mostly got subbed eventually
→action, not comedy for 10yo girls
→followup to a hit, not same director
→japs named it something obscene, not something not edgelord enough for 00s otaku
→technical terminology, not a 10yo girl talking fast
→our japanese contact is a cyberpunk villain
→we can't recall this 50 cent keychain, that's unfeasible (even tho we had several exchange recalls of $1 dual-layered dvds going at the time)

'We were supposed to recall the cyan robot since it was supposed to be teal' doesn't help with optics, so it wasn't even thought of
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>>122343553
The Heppoko Jikken Anime part is more like a subtitle, though. I definitely wouldn't say the title was changed.

>>122343574
No, it was just the show. And episode 26 wasn't really an OVA per se. It was more like a DVD bonus episode.
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>>122343956
Probably they wanted to change it for the U.S. because they figured mature consumers wouldn't buy an anime with that title, and those buying it for kids would get buttblasted about the non-family-friendly stuff in it.
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>>122349481
Sounds like you're the one writing fanfiction.

>2015
>being this butthurt about women liking anime
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>>122355069
>→fansub hit implying it's a kenshin, or at least an excel saga where the guy started making you send in tape requests on college letterhead to cut down, rather than something that mostly got subbed eventually

What are you on about? And Kodomo no Omocha was a very popular series back in the day of fansubs-on-tape.
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>>122346737
She doesn't look wet at all

Also wet hat doesn't prove shit. She can just pour water on it, or wipe the hat all over the wet flour.
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>>122355069
>→
Nice new meme arrows.
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I really liked the kodocha manga, but never watched the anime since I heard it was shit. Have any of you guys seen it? What's it like?

Also, I don't remember there being a mascot, though it's been a while since I read it.
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>>122357036
Mascot was anime only.

Anime was pretty good honestly. Worth watching for Daichi's superb direction alone.
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>>122357036
I watched the first episode because of this thread
It's nice.
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>>122352901
>So we now know it's Kodocha.
>What are all the lies of the article then?

Plausible deniability
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>>122352901
>lies

It's ass-covering to get around an NDA.
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>>122336905
>West can't handle Nipbanter

My sides.
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>>122343829
Then make your own ending yourself, cause this is the ending I want to tell. Now piss off you disrespectful wanker.
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>>122355699
There's nothing wrong with women liking anime. Doesn't change the fact that Kodocha slots in the "only proto-fujoshi cared" ranking at somewhere only slightly under Yami no Matsuei.

And everyone knew it was that niche of a pickup then. Hell, Funi knew it was that niche and that's why they didn't pay what Tokio was asking for the first OP. The nerdrage about that probably did a lot more to torpedo the chances of those enthusiasts selling their normal friends on it than anything else did.
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