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ITT: we point out flaws in our favourite anime. I'll begin:

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ITT: we point out flaws in our favourite anime.
I'll begin: the animation was sloppy as shit at times, thanks A-1.
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>>122329089
It's a crime they used shitty K-On designs when they had these masterpieces at hand.
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>>122329111
Let's face it: A-1 would've never been able to recreate Kishida Mel's art in motion.
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The pacing was way too slow in the beginning (although it was intentional, it could have been toned down a bit) and the animation was generally mediocre. Characters also felt slightly under developed for the time they had on screen.
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Animation was crappy at times, most characters were one-dimensional, and the story was very generic until the last 6 or so episodes. I still loved every second of it, though.
probably cuz of mah waifu, and best girl, Ryuko.
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I can't
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>>122329260
damn, you're right.
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The kids are a little annoying.
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>>122329089
>the animation was sloppy as shit
>at times
There goes 90% of animu. The other 10% are sloppy as shit all the time.
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Gets too repetitive and predictable at times.

Animation is not that good.

Some episodes were simply not interesting at all
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Pacing was shit sometimes, the narrator shit in the ant arc was slow as fuck
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>>122329089
No flaws. Every character except Homu was annoying shit, but it intentional, so it's not a flaw.
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Chitanda is fucking useless.
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>>122329460
>trip
>decides to go on about how Madoka is gr8 and has no flaws despite being in a thread requesting you do otherwise
Please die.
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>>122329260
If you're unable to name a flaw in a work you say you love you can't say you actually loved it. You simply didn't pay enough attention.
Truly loving something means recognising and accepting its flaws, not ignoring them.
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The ending was kind of disappointing.
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>>122329401
Does the anime include the part where Wolf somehow beats the kids up with double cross counters, even though they're 1/8 his size and don't know how to box? Because that really rubbed me the wrong way in the manga.
Christ, even if he had beaten them up in a totally sensible way, how did he get away with it? And how was everyone else in the room okay with that? Why must such a good manga have so much incredibly dumb bullshit?
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It's kind of slow and can be hard to get in to, it's especially hard to watch if you're retarded and/or a full on pleb.
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>>122329926
It does. I thought it was a "little" too cruel for the show.
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>>122329426
>the narrator shit in the ant arc was slow as fuck

The point of that is to highlight how quickly events happened and to fully explore the feelings of those who took part in it, how could you not get this?
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>>122329089
>Ending was too ambiguous due to adult swim and the writers wanting to expand upon it to season 3

>>season 3 never happened btw

>became 2meta4u by the second season

>was suppose to be an episodic series that gradually revealed shit but they changed that because of one of the writers wanting to pull an NGE mindfuck

>now can't buy the blu rays because they're fucking 300 bucks

Thanks a fucking lot konaka/adult swim
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>>122329426
I didn't like parts of the ant arc because the angles of characters I didn't give a single fuck about were covered.
Like essentially every single chimera ant that wasn't a royal guard or Mereum
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>>122329426
Nigga, the fights during the ant arc were happening too fast which is why togashi included a narrator.
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>>122330005
>>122329952
This. One episode literally spanned around 4 seconds real-time.
>>122329984
I hated the focus on some of the other ants. Leol was shit beginning to end.
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>>122329131
But P.A. Works somehow manage it in Hanasaku Iroha and RDG.
Don't forget J.C. Staf in Kami Memo.
Close enough.
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>>122329089
Dammit, those look just like the feet of a Helldiver from the thumbnail.
Speaking of Patlabor, Ota jobs far too often and as a result it kind of takes the sheen of Noa's outstanding talent as a Labor pilot when he's often the only direct point of reference.
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>>122329953
>300 bucks for a blu ray

That can't be right.
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I had a hard time coming up with flaws for it but finally found a few.

Many of the episodes are brilliant and near perfect but I feel a couple of the others just didn’t get enough development, and feel like they were included just to make the scenes more spectacular. Overall, the plot works, but there are just a bit too many plot-holes left open. Many of the important main characters that die turns out to be alive at one point (of course, all do this, just when they’re needed the most, which in lack of a better term can be considered an asspull), and some vital parts about the things that happened in the past go unexplained. Especially Daisaku’s past is guilty of this. A few scenes also like to screw physics at times, performing feats that can’t even be explained if you take the superpowers of the characters (who are never really explained in the first place) into account. Also don’t expect the ending to wrap everything up.

Regardless I still had a hard fucking time coming up with these, and they're barely issues to the story as a whole.

Ever since I watched the first OVA I’ve had an unhealthy obsession with this series. I watch it at least once every year, its just too good.
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Can't think of one.
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>>122331282
>Tries too hard to be pretentious
>Character development thrown away for edgy sadness
>Mediocre as fuck beginning and middle of the show with the exception of a few episodes, barely picked up its pace for the ending.
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Talking about the series now. Animation was really subpar at times, lots of choppy and inconsistent character models, lack of detail at some parts etc. The soundtrack, even though I absolutely love it, got re-used a bit too often in the series, the movies did that better. The story was rushed, it needed more episodes to establish its themes and the ending was a little cheesy (but I liked it, it was cathartic). Because the story was rushed (it should have been two-cour) a lot of the character motivations felt rather lacking, attempts of backdrops to flesh them out as well, especially with Kyouko and Mami. The whole thing also lacked a lot of world building and it had its fair share of (rather minor) plotholes as well. Sayaka was by far the most fleshed out and best character in the show, but Homura is my waifu. I felt for her the whole time, why can't she be happy?

If I viewed the show critically it would be probably an 8/10 for me, but I just love it too much. It was my first "real" anime and I rewatched it over a dozen times (not counting the movies) and I still love it to that day.

Oh, and fuck Rebellion.
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>>122331481
Madoka being single-cour was a giant benefit. Not a moment was wasted and everything moved at a perfect pace.
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>>122331481
No you fucking idiot, it could only work as a single cour show. The episodes were already dragging along by the later half, making the show even longer would impar the balance. It wasn't really rushed more as it came out of fucking nowhere, the foreshadowing didn't aid it one bit and it shouldve been fleshed out beforehand.
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>>122331547
I thought so too at first, but characterization and stuff like that suffered because of it.
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>>122331610
If the writers tried harder they could have easily made it a two-cour masterpiece. But being two-cours means the shock factor couldn't have worked that good on the casual viewer.
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>>122331680
Two cour would be far too long.
They'd need to force even more drama than they already did.
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The character design is a bit too inconsistent throughout the series.

Rebuilds are utter shit.
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>>122331337
>Tries to be pretentious

Well, shit...That's something else.
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>>122331547
>>122331610
>>122331651
>>122331680
I wish anime didn't stick to the 'cour' system. Some show would benefit from being like 15 episodes long.
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>>122331765
Thats where OVAs come in, its not uncommon for them to be 2-14 hour long episodes.
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>>122331680
No, because they could have let it unfold more naturally and not the forced and rushed way because they only have 12 episodes to work with.
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>>122331718
I'd possibly argue that the Eva fight styles are rather inconsistent, and amount to a negative.
Like, this scene is fantastic, but then there's also scenes where 02 are running around like a ninja.
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>>122329260
That's because it's bland inoffensive trite
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>>122329089
>animation was sloppy as shit at times, thanks A-1.

Literally also applies to my favorite. Even the studio.
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It absolutely needs a rewatch.

Also, all the people who discussed it here are tired of doing so (its been discussed to hell) and all thats left are people who cant get past the first few episodes.
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>>122332007
Texhnolyze btw.
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>>122329111
Had the character design looked like this, I wouldn't have discarded this series instantly.
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>>122329089
Azusa
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>>122332132
We're discussing anime, fuck off. Go shitpost in an offtopic waifu wars thread.
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>>122332174
I can agree with that.
Azusa was a very unnecessary addition.
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Can be boring at time, like every long slice of life.
First two seasons are not available in HD.
Some questions unanswered.
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Literally no flaws
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forehead
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>>122332329
You must be fucking kidding me? The show is so awful and asspulled its a 5/10 at best.
But I guess the fans are also fucking retarded to the point where they can't see flaws so blatantly obvious.
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>>122329111
Kind of reminds me of Valkyria Chronicles
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>>122332424
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>>122332441
I wasn't even baiting lol.
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Some plot-wise (at least expected to be) important characters like Furuhata aren't fleshed out at all and left at the almost infamous "Kaiji-san" on repeat. The human derby arc turns some viewers off by simply not being a gamble though I love the variation in part 1. Narrator is sometimes redundant though not nearly as bad as in season two.
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>>122329089
Where do I start? Abandoned plot points? Asspulls? Retarded resolutions at times? Animation issues while airing? There are many to choose from.

A trainwreck that Sunrise tried to fix by ramming more trains onto it. It worked!
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>>122331181
can someone tell me what show this is?
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>>122332667
>Spoonfeeding
Watch enough older mecha anime from the early 90s and you’ll find out about it eventually.
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>>122332667
You could google search the image and look at the wiki page that appears but fucking hell, I've got nothing better to do.
Giant Robo: The day the Earth stood still.
A series of 7 40-minute OVAs from the 90's.
It's absolutely fantastic.
It's not actually mecha though, it just happens to have a giant robot in it.
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>>122332329
The biggest flaw is clinging to the right. Craving the D and being annoying as usual.
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>>122329460
I liked Madoka as much as anyone else, but you have to admit that the pacing in the middle turned into a plodding descent into depression.
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>>122332329
The biggest flaw is that it's ongoing, and it's allowed to be ongoing.
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>>122332777
>It's not actually mecha though, it just happens to have a giant robot in it.
Are there any other qualifications for a show to be labled a mecha series when the robot is one of the most important aspects of the show?
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>>122332887
It's a martial arts show.
It's just that one of the characters has a giant robot to fight for him.
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>>122332887
Good mecha isn't about the robots, at least in my opinion.
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The rivalry between Miyata and Ippo was forced as hell
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>>122332960
Sure they usually shouldn't just be about the robots, but by no means you go to the other end. A good balance with quite a enough focus on the robots, but not exclusively, is the best.
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>>122333051
>Sport anime as favourite
cancer
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The ship battle tactics were laughably bad.
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>>122332839
>>122332869
What's your favourite anime? I bet it's shit
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>>122333157
Go back to your moeshit
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>>122333216
I already pointed out my favorite anime in this thread. I already know all of its' flaws and it's still infinitely better than the garbage that is Mahouka.

This is my post >>122332620
Feel free to cherry-pick it all you want, I don't expect any intelligent comment from someone that cannot even pinpoint the ridiculous faults that Mahouka has.
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>>122333333
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>>122333194
>HALF-CIRCLES
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>>122333480
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>>122333550

Scheiss Halbkringel für scheiss Schwuchteln.
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>>122333216
My favourite is Ghost in the Shell (SAC). I consider the tachicomas as a flaw although they had their good moments.
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>>122331481
>Homura is my waifu
>Fuck Rebellion

She's not your waifu and kill yourself
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>>122333375
what was that?
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>>122331481
You see this, fellow /a/nons? This is literally cancer.
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Too much rape, it becomes pretty ridiculous after the third time in a row.
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>>122334004
https://archive.moe/a/thread/122333239/
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>>122329208
Kill la Kill is love, Kill la Kill is life.

I've become obsessed with this show, help me.
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>>122334192
>I've become obsessed with this show, help me.
Start by watching better anime and your temporary fad will pass.
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>>122334401
Fuck off newfag.
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>>122334453
>Look at me guys im telliing newfags to fuck off instead of ignoring their shit
>Do i fit in yet?
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>>122329089
There is no problems in So Ra No Woto.

Hush.
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It's overrated shit with a terrible budget, bad consistency with scale, characters that were straight up ripped out of the DSM IV, Angelic Days will never be animated.
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>>122334401
Boku no Pico.
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>>122334563
>Right back at you, faggot.
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>>122334401
Boku no pico you faggot, fuck off and lurk more.
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Like every other sports anime it suffers from homosexual undertones
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>>122334563
>>122334401
Welcome to /a/ you piece of shit, now fuck off and lurk more.
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annoying MC, even worse kids
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>>122334733
Eureka is cute
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1 frt.
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>>122329089
Not enough Tomoyo in After Story.
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>>122334672
>14
But the vast majority of /a/ is full of casual faggots who act elitist but doesn't have the knowledge to technically be one.
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>>122334815
Its still the most elitist anime forum on the web regardless, and I believe that many people do. I've seen plenty of anons in the MALthreads that have seen over 800 shows.
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Shit only gets done in the last few episodes of each arc.
Filler gets tedious at times yet it's also responsible for my devotion to the characters.
Chibiusa beastality arc.
Chibiusa a shit all around.
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They missed out vol4, vol5-9 should have been the 3rd series
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>>122329426
>cookie cutter director
>cookie cutter composer with a few standout tracks here and there
>never-changing OP, catchy but ill fitting ED's because blatant advertising
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>
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>the fanbase.
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>>122335766
This so much. Holy fuck that last one might have nothing to do with the anime itself, but god I fucking hate the retards.
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An extra ounce of clarity would allow it to evade the "pretendious hipster trash" mark that most anons give this show.

Also, fucking physics man, that barrow suspension scene.
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>>122336021
>An extra ounce of clarity would allow it to evade the "pretendious hipster trash" mark that most anons give this show.
How is that the anime's fault? Everyone knows that when /a/nons say "pretendious hipster thrash" it just means "this anime has some sort of meaning/I might actually need to look at the screen to follow what is going on".
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>Main character is as bland as a tepid cup of water throughout the entire series

I get rock and revys relationship was supposed to be polarized but good god I just couldn't stand him as a character.

Also the 'what the fuck' moments felt out of place, the show was westernized akin to trigun and shit like androgynous incestual vampiric 10 year old killer twins just didn't fit the vibe of the show at all.

Otherwise nothing about this show dissapointed me and I'll gladly say I prefer the dub over the sub.
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>>122336178
>shit like androgynous incestual vampiric 10 year old killer twins just didn't fit the vibe of the show at all
I see that differently, anon. Yes, it is a world full of action, but also a world that's bleak even on a sunny day. Their backstory stretches things a bit, but they still fit in: kids broken by the pedophile rings to kill and enjoy gore.
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Oh god where do I start. Alucard is a mary-sue in the highest regard. Although fleshed out perfectly and I don't really consider it a flaw, I can see how others may.

You won't know what's happening or why by the 9th episode you just go along with it.

The last 2 episodes are almost entirely dialogue as the studio seemingly ran out of funds.

The antagonists defeat is lackluster and while thought provoking, didn't hit the mark for me. Also, I don't understand his 'charisma' or I can sympathize with his intentions.

The very ending is.. what it is.. it kind of just leaves you like.. "ok, well what the fuck do I do now that this is over"

Talking about Ultimate btw if it isn't obvious.. I haven't even watched the original. Am I missing out?
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>>122336178
>>Main character is as bland as a tepid cup of water throughout the entire series
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>I get rock and revys relationship was supposed to be polarized but good god I just couldn't stand him as a character.
W-what? Surely you've watched the OVA?
Rock clearly changes throughout the show.
By the end of Roberta's Blood Trail Rock's brain is clearly molded in the shape of Roanapur's crime-smeared, hard and unforgiving dick.
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>>122335214
>Chibiusa beastality arc.
u wot m8
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>>122336286
I get that but they're existence literally came out of no where. No build up, just pure shock factor in my face.

They alone gave the show a pretentious morbid air that Elfen lied tried to pull off and I couldn't stand the 20 minutes they were on screen.

I'd compare it to waking up in a small locked room to someone farting, while they're glaring at me and telling me to deal with it. It disconcerted me to say the least.
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>>122329463
still best.
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The entire story is bogged down by the fact that they'd rather reduce each and every character to a stereotype rather than pulling their dicks out of their asses to develop them, and then placing said stereotypes in the way of what would otherwise be a good storyline. Also, the MC is an idealistic faggot.

It feels like I'm watching SAO all over again.
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>>122329089
>same anime
>same flaw
I guess that means I go to bed?
Nice taste, OP
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The variable geometry aspect of the fighters irked me a bit.
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>>122336021
>Also, fucking physics man, that barrow suspension scene.
Do you have the pic?
I remember seeing it before watching the show but now that I've watched it I still haven't seen this pic posted.
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Ending was rushed, it needed at least another half an hour.
no kissu
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Pointless achronological order puts a weak episode between the best one and the last (or, last-at-the-time) one.
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>>122337692
SAO isn't nearly as bad as that garbage.
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Season 1 has lots of QUALITY
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>>122329089
>R2 went from R1's stratagy base to a more generic "muh mech is better than urs" plotline.

>Suzaku's sense of morality was a little fucked

>Lelouche making everyone in the black knights hate him was just stupid because he didn't have his endgame in mind until after that.
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>>122331852
but we all agree that Rebuild was a shit
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>>122343108
Only 3.33. 1.11 and 2.22 are the best Eva has to offer, infinitely better than the original show that has aged like milk.
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>>122329089
S3 not entirely animated, among others.
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>>122337692
you forgot one basic thing: This series totally lack logic.
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>The show started out really slow, had shit pacing
>No prior knowledge of x number of animes/movies/Jap Cultures? Tough, you won't get the jokes
>Fight's outcomes are quite predictable
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Can't decide on one favorite tittle so i just write about few titles starting with pic related:

Sometimes i wished for characters to calm down and stop overreacting
First two episodes after time skip were somehow irritating

I don't count Simon being whinny at the beginning as flaw, since it was just part of his character development
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>>122343824

Each story goes with the same scheme yet outcome was hard to predict, so it wasn't so bad
Sometimes side characters were annoying

but damn this was awesome
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Pretty fucking obvious.

I know it is far from the best thing but I do love it. Not my favourite but it's the one that came to mind.
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>>122344029
>mononoke
Watching it now, and it's probably the only good anime with genuine horror elements

Only thing I have against it is the OP
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>>122344029

MC was overpowered
Too much of "Kill Casshern! Devour Casshern"
Fights with lots of weak opponents looked almost the same. Plus those opponents lacked intelligence.. not even one tried to run, seeing that they're not a mach for MC
Luna... she just gets on my nerve
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>>122344324
It was the only anime that scared me a little (those creepy dolls in first story)

I loved the art style and enigmatic main character. But, yeah opening not really match the overall mood.
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>>122334401
Steins;Gate
Drrr 1
Death Note
Nichijou
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>>122344029
God damn Mononoke was incredible.
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The train scenes were too often, the psychology was shoved into four eps, instead of being spread throughout.
Rei and Gendo don't have enough dialogue, manga did them much better.
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Esdeath doesn't win
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>>122346750
Get better taste in anime
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>>122346807
>AGK isn't the best shounen ever
Top Kek
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>>122346871
That's not Fullmetal Alchemist.
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>>122329208
The last 6 or so episodes were among the most generic things to come out of the show though.
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>>122329426
I loved the narrator, since so much was happening in such a small amount of time that it was all actually warranted. I think at one point just as the castle invasion kicked off near the end, literally 5 episodes covered roughly 30 seconds of in-world time. And it was amazing.
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>>122347351
>Plebian entry-level generic shit for children with one-dimensional characters and story worth a 2 min ep of a saturday morning cartoon

Kill Yourself
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Ippo fucking lost again because of a stupid punch
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>Kaiba
It has a poorly done End of Eva ending.
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>>122329208

>enjoying meme le meme unironically
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>>122347546
>It has a poorly done EoE ending.
Confirmed for not paying attention and or/bandwaggoing what /a/ throws around to be true.
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>>122331481
>2-cour
Jesus christ. I'll give you credit for at least not seeming like a troll like the two Madoka posts above you.
The pacing in the show was genuinely perfect, nothing should or could be cut out and nothing could or should be added in.
>Kyouko and Mami were less developed
Which is fine, because they weren't so integral to the plot like Madoka and Homura, and Sayaka's arc was necessary for spiralling everything out of control and ripping apart Madoka's worldview. Mami and Kyouko were given just enough exposition that they seem like real, fleshed out characters, while only actually putting bits and pieces of their characters out in the open, which is a sign of good writing.
>first "real" anime
Oh, there's the root of the problem.
>Fuck Rebellion
Opinion discarded, you didn't understand the material. See me after class yadayadayada.
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>>122347664

not the person you're replying to but I just don't see why rebellion even had to exist. I'll be twice as mad if 4th movie never comes. I will probably die unhappy.
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it ended ;_;
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>>122329953
Still my favourite mecha and dub.
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Fucking studio Pierrot in the 90s
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>>122331821
>14 hour long episodes
Where?
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>>122332492
No, but you bit the bait.
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>>122347816
>set up to get his waifu
>even an episode where there is nothing else other than "here is how to impress GTO"
>finally the beach episode
>She doesn't even wear the swim suit or attempt to make a move on him

THE JEWS DID THIS
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>>122347876
>The episode where she becomes a nigger trying to impress Onizuka

But that one was hilarious
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>>122347936
no the episode was fine, the lack of any pay off was the shitty part
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>>122347976
It didn't bother me at all, he's destined to be a permavirgin from the shounan gumi days
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>>122336616
No, avoid the original unless you're in the mood to make fun of something.
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>>122329089
Kanye walked away.... that and the last episode was trash wasted on nothing
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>>122347445
but you just described AGK perfectly. although id thrown in edgyshit as well
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>>122348202
If Akame Ga Kill was told from Akame's perspective it probably would have been anime of the season
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>>122329089
>his favorite anime is by A-1
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>>122347707
Just because the ending for the TV series closed the story just fine on its own, doesn't inherently affect the quality of Rebellion.
Sure, in the scheme of the story from a directive point of view, Rebellion didn't need to exist, which is why it was created years later after the series gained a ton of popularity.
It's still an amazing movie that does nothing but build upon the TV series in many ways.
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Rune
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I went into this with pretty low expectations and that might be why it impressed me the way it did. I could praise it all day but i'm not a fucking idiot and i do recognize it's faults.
>animation quality is pretty subpar
For such a short series i really wished the animation was nicer. The backgrounds were actually the nicest part of the visuals.
And my main gripe
>The whole explanation for magical girls seems a bit too convenient for the writers
It was made clear that the incubators don't really understand how magical girls work so the writers don't have to follow a strict logic with them. That's still fine but, even though it was foreshadowed, the "more fate gets attached to Madoka with each new time reset and the universe starts to center around her" always felt too convenient, but i can look past it as it did serve another purposes well and the series is more about the character development anyway.

I never found this to be edgy though. It's really just sad.
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Maybe leaves one or two questions too many unanswered and un-hinted at.
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>>122329089
My favorite anime only just got greenlit. I'll tell you when I watch it.
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>>122334401
Master of Martial Hearts
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>>122350113
A pure masterpiece.
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>>122334672
There is literally nothing wrong with vlcsnaps
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>>122349516

welcome to shaft idiot
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>>122349516
>the series is more about the character development anyway.
What character development?
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>>122350207
The kind where characters change throughout the story?
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If only Sunrise were given that S2 they were obviously promised and didn't have to rush the ending.

Also the nosesz but that's not really a flaw.
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>>122350313
Not in Madoka, that's for sure.
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>>122334672
>Do not post VLC snaps
nice meme
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Cutting out Kite from the beginning was probably a bad move

Alluka is pretty much an asspull

The nen power creep sometimes doesn't make sense, like Kalluto being able to use nen by Chimera Ant with his own hatsu and everything even though hes younger than Killua was before Killua even knew what nen was

The Bomber is a poorly written villian, especially when compared to the rest in the show

The chimera ant arc tends to drag a bit between Kite dying and the palace invasion

Thats all that comes to mind

still 10/10
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>>122329260
The boob envy jokes got boring pretty fast, and I really liked those characters so I'm mad about it to this day.
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>>122350370
The character development where you changed from a nice, shy kid, to a sad, bitter internet troll.
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>>122350437
I'll do my own post for HxH

Chimera Ant arc was 70% shit, and although the last bit in the palace was amazing, 60 episodes of mostly boring shit about completely irrelevant characters really hurt the arc and the show overall.
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>>122350647
Character development where you show counter points rather than make vapid statements would also be nice.
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>>122350733

>>122350647
This guy is not me >>122349516 by the way
But i too gave you the benefit of doubt and assumed your post was bait.

But you really want examples as if they weren't obvious?
>Kyouko and sayaka go from hating each other to lesbians
>Homura goes from awkward wimp to cynical and selfish
>Madoka overcomes her inferiority complex
And these are just simplified descriptions.
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A lot of the confusion that came up due to time travel could have been avoided entirely by just saying "Hey guys I just jumped into here from a timeline we just changed, care to fill me in if trying to alter X worked out or not?" when he jumps. There's so many times where it almost looks like Okarin is trying to keep it a secret that he's using time travel when speaking to the very people he built and used it with.

Also the shower scene was completely unnecessary but we might as well take a jab at fanservice because it's a funny trope, right guys?
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>>122351050
>Kyouko and sayaka go from hating each other to lesbians
That never happened.

>Homura goes from awkward wimp to cynical and selfish
Shit character development honestly.
Homura's backstory, attachment to Madoka and becoming stoic is not character development in any possible sense, only a refinement due to her task. Nothing about her changed because her beginnings were shit.

>Madoka overcomes her inferiority complex
Not much of a development.
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>>122351185
also helps to post a picture
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>>122350733
Counter argument to shitposting? Okay here goes.
>Madoka
episode 1: Cutesy middleschool girl, definition of innocence, worries about people liking her based on hair ribbon etc.
12: Matured through experiences, resolves to completely sacrifice her existence as an individual just so every magical girl across the world doesn't have to suffer, the ultimate in altruistic sacrifices.
>Sayaka
Do I really have to do this one?
1: Average tomboyish girl, m-muh husbando is so kawaii.
5: I can save the world, justice exists, I'll win the boy, don't worry Madoka I'll save you too.
9: This world isn't worth saving, my friend and husbando don't care about me, I sold my soul to the devil for absolutely nothing.
>Mami
1: Kind motherly figure, mentor archetype
10: Psychologically unstable girl hiding behind a warm exterior, shatters under pressure.
>Kyouko
5: Big mean rival, doesn't believe in being a good person like our likeable protagonists.
9: All of her nuances, down to even her eating disorder are based off of the psychological trauma of believing her entire family died for her, wants to be alone so she can't get hurt by the inevitable loss of others, but finds someone worth trying to save in Sayaka.
>Homura
Oh boy here we go.
1: Mysterious and dark transfer student, bland trope character.
10: Holy shit I'm not going to try and summarise everything that happened here.
Rebellion: So psychologically focused on Madoka after spending about 8 and a half years repeating the same month over and over again that she can't find happiness in anything else now that Madoka's sacrifice has pulled the girl out of Homura's reach forever. Willing to sacrifice everything, even Madoka's wishes, just to fullfill her own selfish wants. Conciously manipulates and knocks down everyone in her way because she's come to terms with her obsession.
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>>122351194
>never happened
It kind of literally did.

>shit character development
>it doesn't count!
Why does the topic of Madoka always attract the laziest shitposters?
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>>122351194
The lesbian thing was just a exaggerated example and i thought you would understand that but okay. Do you really think Their characters stayed the same?

>Shit character development honestly.
The fuck you on about? And that's you admitting that it IS development.

>becoming stoic is not character development in any possible sense, only a refinement due to her task. Nothing about her changed because her beginnings were shit.
How the fuck does anyone come to this conclusion. So it isn't character development because of what? You don't want it to be? What do you base this shit on?

>>Madoka overcomes her inferiority complex
>Not much of a development.
Again admitting that it is at least something.
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>>122351269
>Matured through experiences
None of which is character development, only her seeing shit.
She's never actually grown at any time.

>Do I really have to do this one?
Not really but I will say that Sayaka is the only one who had character development, even if it was poorly done due to her own stupid idealism and shit writing into wanting to make her kill herself.

>Mami
>1: Kind motherly figure, mentor archetype
>10: Psychologically unstable girl hiding behind a warm exterior, shatters under pressure.
Nope, that's not character development and you know it.
Seeing her break is not character development.

>Homura
Ep 10

>Rebellion
Nope, not even
Homura's development throughout 12 episodes and the movie is this
>I'm bland
>oh look someone cares for me
>fuck, she died
>let's see if I can save her
>damn it doesn't work
>damn it doesn't work, keep trying
>fuck, I just can't do it
>I LOVE YOU MADOKA
The only thing Rebellion did to develop Homura's character was to develop Homura's dedication to saving Madoka and change it to love.
That's boring and poor development because Homura has no character.

You know the entire series has poor character when the SoL bits in the movie are so poorly done that they have nothing to work on and the character interaction is bland.

Literally all you've done is show archetypes and it being poorly builded upon, not actual character development in any sense.
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>>122351194
tfw i wasted hours of my life watching Miseralble lesbians I MEAN madoka magica
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>>122351578
>i thought you would understand that but okay.
No, I understood that, I just called you out on it.

>Do you really think Their characters stayed the same?
I'd actually say yes to a lesser extend, they barely changed at all. They had absolutely no change in their personality in any way.

Sayaka being the only exception, with none of the cast really having much personality past their wooden and bland characterization.
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>>122334038
the anon did a fine job explaining what is wrong with madoka even if he seems to be cancer, of course the butthurt madokafags will jump right away on any decent criticism trying to defend their shit show
the characters were like plastic bags waiting to be used and the show relied a lot on shock factor, animation and music aren't its strong points either but the story is fine so I guess it makes up for it
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The occasional bits of very bad early 2000s 3DCG stand out a bit too much.

>>122331181
Great taste. Besides being one of my favorite shows, it has one of the best soundtracks in all of anime.

>>122342284
>Pointless
Really? I thought it was a great concept that translated poorly into film adaptation by virtue of stretching short source material to fit the same feature length (A Hollow has about half the wordcount of Lingering Sense of Pain but is like 8 minutes shorter).
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>>122331852
Aren't the pilots submerged in liquid? Why's her hair flying around like she's in a fucking pantene commercial?
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>>122351634
>>122351777
The only thing i get from your arguments is that you seem to have a very odd definition for character development and what you define as good or bad writing and you seem to bend these definitions to suit your points.

But hey, at least you admitted the character development is there.
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>>122351833
The shirt composition sometimes hurt my eyes.
Also people who have epilepsy probably died water

>>122352086
Character development, even slightly existing, is not worth mentioning.
So people claiming that Madoka had 'great character development' is really bullshit.
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>>122350158
Goddamn, that description.
I can feel the adrenaline of episode 5 flowing in all over again.
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>>122347445
>Look at how elitist I am as I insult FMA and defend AGK!
Lurk more
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The only super-glaring flaw I can think of with GITS SAC is that the Major's design is an enormous step down from the movies. Like, total shit.
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>>122352204
Explaining a story in a over simplified manner is not proving it to be shit. You can simplify anything and make it sound like shit. If you sincerely think that what you wrote is all there is to madoka, then it's your loss i guess.
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>>122343160
You would enjoy life more if you killed yourself
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>>122352502
If you simplify something and it doesn't hold up, you know it's shit.
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>>122350158
I remember deliberately streaming the dub for this after reading that. It really heightens the experience a lot.
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>>122352649
I hope you realize that statement is wrong in so many ways.
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>>122342464
>R2 went from R1's stratagy base to a more generic "muh mech is better than urs" plotline.

The whole premise of the series was that Britania was slaughtering countries because of the superiority of the Knightmare frames. Then they would create prototypes for mechas and when they did well they would mass produce them and then the prototypes would get upgraded to rediculous levels. Lelouch still used strategy throughout the series he just had to account for the rising power of individual mechs.

>Suzaku's sense of morality was a little fucked

He fucked up as a kid and tried to just maintain that the fuck up was right his whole life, his skewed sense of morality was basically the entirety of mostly bland character.

>Lelouche making everyone in the black knights hate him was just stupid because he didn't have his endgame in mind until after that.

Uh, he had given up on life at that point and just wanted a way out for the black knights and more specifically Kallen. He only proceeded to live onwards because of Rolo's intervention...
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>>122352709
Please explain in a way that doesn't make it sound as though it's self-evident.
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>>122352754
You gave no rules to simplification. As far as i know you can simplify something to an absurd degree and of course it will sound boring. I could say that Mona Lisa is just a picture of a woman with slightly weird hands and does that sound appealing? If not then is it shit? And again. The example could be anything.

These things really don't occur to you don't they?
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>>122352746
But the show focused way less on that strategy. It became implied instead of S1 that had shit like the whole Orange business or that plan that kills Shirley's father.
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>>122352954
>I could say that Mona Lisa is just a picture of a woman with slightly weird hands and does that sound appealing?
That's a valid criticism albeit pointlessly extreme.
It's not why the Mosa Lisa is good, it's because of its mystery of the identity of the woman.
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>>122353034
>And again. The example could be anything.
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>>122353034
The woman is Mona Lisa, you fuckup.
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The animation in the fight scenes really needed to be smoothed out, some of the jokes were pretty stupid. Not gonna count the copious amounts of dialogue as a real flaw, though; I actually really enjoyed the banter between Shichika and Togame, as well as the "villains" of the week getting fleshed out. Meisai ;_;
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>Main character is a shameless self-insert power fantasy and yet I can't help but like him.
>Leaves hints for a season 2 and never delivers.
>Some of the drama felt out of place
>not enough Doll
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Shana's personality was like 15% more annoying than was absolutely necessary.
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>>122356015
>not Yoshida
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