Storytiming the comeback of our space husbando, Frieza
In Bleach it would've been hinted at once in a poorly drawn panel, with tiny writing that becomes impossible to translate once the page is scanned, some 200 chapters ago.
Then this would later become a major plot point.
Either that, or Kubo accidentally blurts it in the magazine, but corrects it in the tank.
Don't forget Agon. Built like a tank despite never lifting in his entire life.
>what the saiyan went and defeated an abomination so great even my father told me to get the fuck out if I ever met it
>oh well, I'll just train for four months and suddenly become stronger than the guy already several times stronger than me
>never mind the fact it took him years of constant training in the afterlife (against some of the strongest fuckers around) and achieving apotheosis to reach his current level of power!
More like a mutant. Bizarrely, the Saiyan equivalent to Frieza is probably Broly. Goku is a prodigy, but he's not as far above Vegeta as Broly is above them both. Frieza is far above the other frost demons.
It's an exercise in futility explaining the context of why the comment was moronic because it's so damn obvious why it was stupid that it implies they must be too stupid to comprehend why it was stupid to begin with, but I can't resist the urge to shame them...
The comment he responded to A) didn't even invite a comment about who has a higher power level, I mean wtf what piss poor reading comprehension, and on the topic the comment was actually about B) Broly's power growth was nearly exponential. Goku surpassed him because he's dead and his power level is now a static thing. Had he lived Goku could never overcome the absurd innate ability Broly had to scream himself to new heights. If Frieza can gain power even a fraction as fast as that, he'll be quite a threat very quickly.
I mean the logic that guy was using is how idiots end up thinking Gogeta is stronger than Vegito. That's not how it works.
>Dragon! I wish for a giant green humanoid bug!
Has there been any response on /a/ to this? What looks like Vegeta becoming a God?
Oh come on , what the actual fuck
Frieza is seriously light years weaker than any saiyan at this point of the story. How can he train for 4 months and become more powerful than let's say... Ultimate gohan? Ss3 goku?
Look at how much gotten and trunks powered up after just a little training.
Going from zero training to serious training for four months, in dbz, should net you a couple factors more power
This isn't Toriyama.
This is someone else. Dude who drew Dragonball AF. He's Toei's DB continuity guy.
>Toriyama gives so little shit Toei had to hire an autistic fan to keep track of continuity.
>Kid asks me for a new car
>Open bank account
>Time to cash in on DBZ again!
>Write some bullshit manga
>Sell it to JUMP for 1,000,000,000 Yen
>Spend more money on not getting Sqeunix to make a proper ChronoTrigger sequel.
Well, there's Dende, whose family and race were murdered. and Krillin, who got blown up. I mean, Vegeta probably didn't even "like" his people/species. He'd use them as an army, but he didn't necessarily like them. He didn't care that Raditz died and killed Nappa himself.
>You forget, vegetables was essentially a child soldier, who never had any real freedom until he died and was revived
Vegeta is from a warrior race. Being a 'child-soldier' is something honorable in Saiyan society. Only the dub tacks on the bullshit about Vegeta being traumatized because Freeza took him away from his father. In the original script, Vegeta not only does not give a shit about what happened to the Saiyans and what Freeza ultimately did to his race -- (in his own words, "they got what they deserved") Vegeta just hated the fact that Freeza used the Saiyans, who served him faithfully, and then threw them away like trash when he was done. If anything he was more pissed that his own pride as a warrior was completely shitted on by Freeza and there was nothing he could do about it. That's where the tears and begging Goku to defeat Freeza come from.
If we go by Vegeta's current characterization, it'd doubtful he'll give a shit about defeating Freeza and his 'big role' in the new film will be fighting one of the Gods of Destruction, from the other 11 universes, that's likely to show up in this film. That said, I'm sure Vegeta will get his licks in and save Goku, at some point, especially if rumors about Whis purposely sealing both Goku's and Vegeta's access to SSJ as a form of training.
>people questioning this
>its like people don't remember that frieza doesn't have a clue what in the flying fuck time is.
>implying hes not gonna seal his own ass in some super version of the hyperbolic time chamber for the in time equivalent there of 100 years and show up 4 months later
theres ways this can actually make sense.
>>implying hes not gonna seal his own ass in some super version of the hyperbolic time chamber for the in time equivalent there of 100 years and show up 4 months later
Considering how advanced the revival tanks Freeza's army has access to are, having a man-made equivalent of the Room of Space and Time isn't that far-fetched.
Even if someone wants to bullshit away as them reverse-engineering some of Dr. Gero/Dr. Briefs tech, from Earth, the story already gives you that blurb about them being able to deploy spy-bots all across the galaxy, so there you go.
Jesus fucking Christ, when will the good guys stop being dumb as fuck.
They have a goddamn wish-granting device that is constantly targeted by villains and saved their asses several times. Just how thoughtless and lazy you have to be to NOT KEEP A FUCKING EYE ON IT.
It would be something easily done too.
For example Piccolo, who has nothing to do all day anyway. He could find of dragonball and keep it with him all times.
Done, the world is now safe.
It didn't sense the ki, he was just surprised that the sky darkened like every time someone summon Shenron
[Spoiler] Anyway, shouldn't people be used to that already? It happens like once per year [/spoiler]
>krillian is a cope
i bet 18 likes him wearing the uniform.
Just think about it
Guldo never trained and had a base powerlevel of 19000,stronger than sayan saga Vegeta.
If he trains for a year,he will be stronger than Bills,and become a time-stopping god of destruction.
Brace yourself for the next movie, Fukkatsu no G.
>Frieza is far above the other frost demons.
We don't know that, the only other canon frost demon was King Cold and he was stronger than Frieza's final mecha form on his base form, or form 2 or whatever the fuck he was.
I guess it's possible that King Cold actually trained but we don't know that.
Didn't they use to have a rule that the body has to be intact enough to fix it up? I dimly remember them trying to keep Krillin's body save when the died the first time.
Shenron is getting real tired of Pilaf's shit
>For fuck's sake YOU again? What do you want this time?
>I wish for you to revive Majin Buu!
>Fuck it, I don't even care anymore, keep digging your own grave
I am a huge dbz fan, but this is one asspull that may just be too much even for me. First off all, not only was freeza cut into pieces, he was also evaporated by a blast. Not only that, but it was established quite some time ago that you can only revive someone who has died a year ago. Along with that, you are going to tell me that freeza training for 4 months with no afterlife training or ( presumably) god training is going to close the gap from weak ssj1 level too ssj god where a ssjg can flick a ssj3 a knock him out? That may be the biggest power up in history.
I'm sorry but this is just dumb.
in dragonball when krillen and roshi die, bulma invents a cryo freezer that will keep there bodies fine for a year. At that time it was stated that they only have a year regardless since it wont bring them back afterwards.
Why should he? He's the sole, legitimate, heir, has a good relationship with his father, and is confident enough in his power, both personal and in terms of his position in the Empire, that to do something as childish as usurping his father would be a complete waste of time, and frankly embarrassing, really.
So, we have to wait 4 months for the next installment?
Nevertheless, Cold seemed more rational and was less of an asshole, whereas Freeza was the "emperor of evil".
Cold is more likely to help rebuild the empire and less likely to casually kill subordinates for no reason
>but it was established quite some time ago that you can only revive someone who has died a year ago.
Not what happened. They couldn't bring them back because the Dragonballs had already been used recently and they couldn't bring them back before a year. They needed the freezer to bring the body while waiting.
The limitation of the resurrection was that the Earth dragon can only bring someone to life once.
Namek Dragon could do it several time.
I was under the impression that chillybin went off to make his own empire if the middle of fuck you because he was bored with daddy's empire and wanted to have some fun.
And king eski was happy his pretty princess was off having fun, so long as he called papa back every now and then when he max'd out his sapce credit card buying dresses and shit.
When did those stopped being fanfiction to actually become canon. I thought Buu was an artificial creation made from scratch, one of a kind, not a race of being. What's the back-story.
>Majin Buu made himself a wife
Did he mad a a gaz expell like for evil Buu and it turned out female because he wanted something to shank?
Or did just took a candy and changed it into a female boo?
Did Toryama ever set out limitations or rules for Buu's transformation ability?
No, they're still children. Pilaf still has his kinder uniform on.
Which brings the question, how did children find all the Dragon Balls? Is anyone aware that Pilaf and Company are children now? Why don't the Z Warriors just keep the Dragon Balls in a safe or something?
Bills is still stronger than SSJGGoku by a decent amount, Whis is also stronger than him.
Frieza should raise to a rank or so inbetween those two in power, or a bit above Bills, but he shouldn't be above Whis.
BIlls is being set up for his rematch with Goku, he shouldn't job so much until then. Unless he also plans to power the fuck up soon.
Cooler looked like the kind of guy who would train, what with his constant "frieza is a bitch" talk and everything, so he probably can't get much stronger. It also makes him
>vegeta loses even in fan fiction
You useless sack of saiyan shit.
Yes, and i think they already confirmed he gets a new form. I'm hoping it's similar to Cooler's just so that it becomes canon, Cooler's final form is 10/10
>The worlds greatest manga ever
In Japan, does "manga" only refer to Japanese comics or comics in general? In other words, are they calling Dragonball Z the greatest comic Japan ever produced, or are they telling the Americans and the French to get rekt?
Manga means comics.
I remember that in Bakuman, an editor said that the most popular "manga" in the world is X-Men (which is inaccurate, either Batman or Spider-Man is).
So yes, they're telling America to get rekt
It only truly dawned on me like halfway through reading this chapter that this isn't a fan fiction. This is actually canonically happening.
Not that I'm calling it good or bad it just feels really fucking weird knowing this plotline from years and years ago in my childhood is suddenly progressing again.
I mean if you think about it he never once trained and his power level was only slightly below SSJ.
Thats ridiculous. Gohan, Goku and Vegeta trained for years and years to get that strong and then Goten and Trunks bullshit it out.
Freeza is more of a prodigy than these people apparently if you think about it.
Well, i don't know if all those new and fancy dbz games are canon but i think in them they say that all that armor is actually bio armor made out of frieza people.
Well they refer specifically to that white shit Frieza was wearing after he broke the saiyan armor when he transforms the first time but you never know.
>they had a Piccolo-tier soldier in the army
>went to earth to revive someone weaker than him
>Satan himself works under Frieza now
There's something i find amusing about the fact that Broly does keep getting stronger. I mean, shit, his power really is maximum. Every time they come up with a new power up for Saiyans Broly gets it too.
It's only a matter of time until he becomes the legendary super saiyan god.
To be fair all you really heard from him was racial slurs about monkeys but if you owned the entire universe and lived for as long as him you would know some shit.
Can't wait till he fucks trunks in the face!
Fucking shit that's scary. A circle of screaming maximums won't be stopped anytime soon.
While we're on the topic of Broly, how do you guys feel about him? /v/ and /vg/ seem to hate him, but I think that he's a pretty cool character given how ridiculous he is. Sure, he hasn't been developed like Cell or Frieza but I could see why he's so popular.
The number of Saiyans who survived seems to increase every year so I don't see why not.
Because movie characters are shitty. Broly looked cool and the beatdown was satisying,but at the end he was a raging gorilla asspained about Goku crying too much. And whoever came up with the concept of broly made him so powerful that to beat him they had to pull out the stupidest asspulls in all three movies.
Kind of stupid of that's Whis panicking in the bottom
Did he only establish this super ultimate greatest in the universe villains, so they'd lose in the next movie to establish someone else?
Didn't we see that same underling standing next to the Koala in different adverts? Seemed like he was one of the main guys.
Though I guess Frieza wouldn't let him back on board even if that blast didn't kill him there.
Still this whole 'I'm a Prodigy, so if I train for four months I can become the strongest being in the Universe' kinda is moot when Vegeta, who is also born elite/prodigy has train for around 10 years and is still third Banana after Goku and Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
Why don't Goku and Vegeta just take dende and some senzu beans and kill the fuck out of each other and grind out Zenkai Boosts?
Vegeta is the kind of prodigy that makes it on the highschool football team without even trying, but that's fitting to the level of his talent.
Freeza is the kind of prodigy that makes it to the olympics, and wins, without even trying. And sets records that don't get broken for 30 years. In multiple events.
It's a whole different scale, and there are different 'levels' of prodigism, you know.
zenkai stops working or being useful after you become a super saiyan additionally there are deminishing returns
only person to get a noticeable zenkai boost after freeza saga is Cell when he exploded, only cause it was his first
Ah, that makes sense. Do half saiyans get the same returns? I can't remember. It'd be nice if gohan stopped shitting the bed whenever he had a fight to win.
Isn't he dead?
>implying that either of them gives a shit
Remember when Goku let babidi summon Majin Buu and put the whole universe in danger because he was afraid to hurt the pride of his poor friend Vegeta by beating him with SSJ3?
You forgot that after namek saga goku stepped into the chamber twice, once for cell and again for buu to train. That's at least 2 years of training without considering all the training inbetween arcs.
>frieza will pass all that in 4 months
You got me there. Vegeta still hasn't redeemed himself after that display of bitchassery. I sort of expect goku to do stupid shit because he was dropped on his head when he was a baby, but vegeta is just a shithead.
Why doesn't mystic gohan just fuse with Goku?
Why didn't goku just teach kaioken to all the humans?
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T PICCOLO LEARN KAIOKEN AND BE BROKEN AS UCK WITH HIS HEALING FACTOR????
Because Normal fusion would have taken too long to master and Gohan SOMEHOW missed the potara earring despite now being one of the strongest/fastest beings in the Universe now.
If that isn't a good enough reason, try this.
The zenkai boost requires actual danger. The reason it worked for Vegeta with Dense is because there was an actual chance Freeza could have caught on and killed them before he was healed. There was actual danger.
If it was just Goku and Vegeta doing that to each other at an otherwise peaceful time, it wouldn't work. No sense of urgency, no real danger.
>WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T PICCOLO LEARN KAIOKEN AND BE BROKEN AS UCK WITH HIS HEALING FACTOR????
A. He spent zero time training on King Kai's planet
B. He isn't Wolverine, he can't just heal any wound, see for example when Freiza blew a hole in his chest, he needed Dende for that
thats fucking bull, the whole reason Cell had regeneration skill was because of piccollo, and he was broken as fuck.
I bet that was just piccolo dont having enough energy, if you remember in majin buu, when the kids droped him in stone form, he just rebuild himself
Why didn't he just get a crash course
Yeah but piccolo's body is pretty strong. And since he's constantly stronger than a normal Super Saiyan he should be a real threat if he can master Kaioken. It would have been a way to make a non saiyan Z fighter relevant.
It would have killed him. Tien was close to killing him without it.
A guy of Dodoria/Zarbon's level could be one-shotted by Mr. Satan at the end of DBZ. Where did this red guy who can hurt Piccolo come from?
That would make red guy 100x more powerful than final form Frieza at the time of his death.
How will Frieza gain the power to not be a scrublord? It CAN'T be training alone.
Checked it for myself. I guess Porunga was just a bro.
why can't earth shenron be as based as porunga
Porunga was that nigga. So much better than Shenron
>Big balls so you know he get pussy
>Gives you free shit
>Buff as fuck, could probably go and slap shit if he wanted to
Porunga should just replace Shenron.
Why didn't Krillin use this ALL THE FUCKING TIME? The Destructo Disk is destructive regardless of power level. Unless an enemy can regenerate like Cell or Buu, a lucky strike is an instant kill or at least an incapacitation. And even then, having Cell or Buu waste time on regenerating could buy some of the stronger fighters much needed time.
DBZA's exasperated, world-weary take on Shenron is perfect.
Garlic Jr wishes for immortality:
>Really? Wow. I can't remember the last time anybody actually nutted up and asked for that. Congrats! Can't wait to see how you fuck this one up.
Gohan and Krillin summon him in Tree of Might:
>I am the Eternal Dragon. Why have you summoned m--no. No. Not you again. HAS IT EVEN BEEN A YEAR?
>got grunts stronger than the androids
>revive a guy weaker than the androids and have him as your chief
You can't let yourself focus on the facts too much.
They needed somebody for Piccolo to fight.
Because everybody loves Piccolo, and he didn't get to do shit in the last movie.
Ergo, one of Freeza's goons needed to fight Piccolo.
However, Piccolo is now more powerful than Freeza originally was, by a factor of...well, several factors, let's say.
The main reason Freeza's goons brought Freeza back was because their empire was falling apart without his muscle, and one of their most high-ranking and powerful warriors was still only as strong as Dodoria or Zarbon.
Thus, this is completely ridiculous.
This is where you need to disengage the part of your brain that points these things out and accept that Piccolo getting to fight Monsieur Satan is fun, even if it makes no sense for several reasons.
How lazy can the authors even be
Just let them find Ginyu and make him fight Piccolo with some weird body-change hijinks
Hell even a goon with Guldo-like powers can make an interesting fight without being that stupid
To be fair, we don't even know what's happening with that red demon dude. For all we know Frieza was all like "i met this dude in hell go get him for my army" and then he shoots one of his minions just so that he can recruit a demon.
I was actually just coming to post something like this. Not your scenario specifically, but the fact that, well, we have no idea what Monsieur Satan's deal is. For all we know he's some sort of Anti-Namekian specialist the empire hired after their embarrassing defeat on Namek, who's only good against Namekians.
We have no idea. Not that this has ever stopped the internet, or 4chan in particular, from speculating aggressively, but, eh.
Well think about it this way
In 50 or so years when Germany is in the financial shitter again they'll probably clone Hitler.
It would be a TERRIBLE idea because he'd kill not only Jews but Russians, Brits and American's. But they need someone who has brought them out of Financial scrutiny before
That's retarded, there's no need for me to be cloned, I already atoned for my sins :c
Or since the Four Star Ball was his grandfather's Keepsake, Goku could like make it a family heirloom? Of course I assume Toriyama forgot Goku's connection to that ball since it was never brought up again.