What are some aspects of older anime you'd like to see used

>>121752923
Plot that doesn't insult the viewers would be nice.

>>121752923
80s fashion

Nipples

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>>121752923
I think a lot of people will say shading or color.

The soundtracks.

>>121752923
More sci-fi

>>121752923
The protagonist isn't a "regular highscool boy"

ITT people who don't watch older anime

>>121753242
They do watch older oavs though

The protagonist has a (short) beard.

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>>121753051
THIS

Even some blurays don't even bother anymore

>>121753053
Yeah I came in to say shading.

>>121752923
Hand drawn mecha. It's dying off more and more each year. Even sunrise is starting to dial back on it in preference to CG models.

shading and character design.

>>121753603
This.

I miss the OVA format when it wasn't just BD specials too.

>>121753619
When was the last time we had one, excluding Gundam?

>>121753118
Al is such a lucky mech, to have that delicious tomboy all for itself...

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>>121753656
Agree.

More hand drawn, less CGI.

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More fanservice

>>121753732
Is this a GITS OVA?

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>>121753828

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>>121752923
Characters I can actually empathize with and therefore give a shit about.

>>121752923
Shading. Detailed eyes. Woman who look like adults and not some pedobait.

>>121753783
>those Satoshi Urushihara designs

What the hell has he been doing lately?

>>121752923

Hand Drawn Animation.
Colors and shading.

But most importantly, none of that godawful bloom thats in almost ever new anime. I want a nice clean image again.

Cel animation

>>121753544
Males have it even worse.

>>121753783
The glorious days of old when Fanservice was actually high quality.
>>121753903
Depressing over losing his eyesight while making covers for comikets

MCs that weren't beta high schoolers.

>>121753720
Captain Earth?

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>>121753732

>>121753053
Where do you get Birth in a resolution that high?

>>121753544
Which is a massive slap in the face since that's half the reason people by BDs.

>>121753783
More like proper fan service. One of the worst crimes Evangelion committed was saying there'd be fan service in the next episode for every preview.

And the show had almost zero fan service.

>>121753003
Are young japanese boys that stupid that shonen have to tell them what they are watching? For instance, MC is doing a super move and an off character is explaining the whole thing and what it's going to do. Then MC unleashes it and does exactly what the character just told you.

>>121754316
Nips can't into exposition.

They either overexplain everything or explain nothing at all.

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>>121753966
>tfw CGI is becoming the norm for anime now

>>121753619
CG shit is just so ugly 9 times out of 10 it looks like garbage. Do the japs actually like it?

>>121753003
Actually, we only got those in modern anime.

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>>121754392
The only recent show I can think of that does exposition well is Fafner.

gorgeous animation for even a single season of 25 episodes

varied stores

varied protagonists

Macross tier music

shading

subtle fan service

series that existed for more then being a vehicle for fanservice

manly men

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>>121754116
>tfw still like that show for some reasons

the older artstyle. Everything now looks like a gradient with huge eyes. Even 90s faces had more diversity even though the eyes were huge.

>>121754417
Nope but production studios love how much more time and money is saved by using CG as a crutch for busy scenes

>>121754614
when the fuck are we going to get sound webms on the blue boards?

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>>121752923
assertive women
different forms of bodymovement animation (akira)

different mythologies than just scandinavian and or germanworship.

Main characters who are not fagets.

They've always existed throughout time but they seem to be more common now, whether that is actually true or not.

>>121754614
NIRVA-
>captain earth
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Mechafights were the only good part from it.

>>121752923
Literally everything except film grain. Modern anime on average is objectively inferior in every way.

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Hand-drawn mechs.

Everything is CG now.

Anyone who isnt the MC who gets the girl or girls.

>>121752923
Shading. You know, the very basic shit that modern anime can't do.

Oh, and drawing your animation is nice too. Basic understanding of the human anatomy also doesn't hurt.

>ITT:cherrypicking shit and think it's "common" for old stuff
>muh shading muh 7 years hand drawn animation muh delusions

>>121754606
woah woah woah, that's some high quality shit you're talking about there. You want the animation of Sword of the Stranger, combined with characterization from Gundam Wing/Cowboy Bebop, with Miyazaki/ghost in the shell tier shading/story telling, AND Macross music? Get the fuck out of here and enjoy your next harem animu.
But yeah, I'd really appreciate some high quality output. Too many episodes suffer from really bad firstepisodeitis with apparently half their animation budget spent on the first 15minutes of the show and then 23 episodes of moving stills, mouthmovement stills, awful movement, and lifeless backgrounds.
I always credited FMA brotherhood for consistently good animation throughout. Even when things were slowpaced it never got so bland and boring as some of the shit you see today.

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>>121755051
So much crossboarding scum infected /a/, it's just sad.

>>121755140
>I always credited FMA brotherhood for consistently good animation throughout.
It's nice to be so newfag I guess.

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gore

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>>121755152
Remember the last time we got a full hand drawn animation? Remember Redline? Remember how shit it was?

CG can be great when studios like Xebec use it.

>>121755115
>muh great 'arguments' in greentext

>>121755270
Yeah I notice it, try something else next time.

>>121755237

You sure you meant this post for me?

>>121755174
Not him, but lack of shading in modern anime has always been a big complaint. Lurk more, newfag.

>>121755115
>Muh epik greentext meme

>>121755301
Just forgot to backspace on your post. My bad, bro.

>>121755226
this

nowadays gore are just all about gallons of red water, it's not even thick like real blood

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>>121753209

That intro sequence is so great. Just the drawing quality in that series alone is great. It's the Martial Law scene that gets me to this day though, particularly the part where the camera moves across a building that mirrors the reflections of other buildings. The only thing I can keep thinking during that scene is that that level of detail and that level of fluidity with some of the complexity that Ooshi demanded must have been so hard to draw. I'm unconvinced any of todays animators save maybe Shinkai would even be up to it. Maybe Sunrise Studio 8 could pull it off...maybe.

>>121755323
The problem is most of the time those people are comparing something like an OVA with a television series which has vastly different budgets when if you go and pick up any of the many unremarkable TV shows of the past they will be just as lacking in detailed shading and if not worse. People who haven't seen much old anime besides the ones that always get brought up are the only people that think good shading is something to do with the time the anime was made in rather than the market conditions changing meaning shifting budgets and formats.

>>121755115
>00's kids mustard race

>>121755226
gore is considered "edgy" now.

>>121755323
He's trolling. Don't reply.

>>121755380
>I'm unconvinced any of todays animators save maybe Shinkai would even be up to it.
The animation in a Shinkai film is not special at all. The art may be detailed but the animation is just average.

>>121754417

Yes and no. Disney has sort of helped popularize it with recent hits like Wall-E and Frozen, but there are still plenty of people that want to preserve the traditions of Japanese animation and actual 2D drawings.

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>>121755386
I got your back.

>>121755440

>The art may be detailed but the animation is just average

You can only have one of them, not both. There's a reason hand-drawn Disney stuff isn't very detailed, but extremely fluid in animation.

I prefer detailed art + average animation. I don't mind not seeing the characters not moving like spastic children all the time.

>>121755446
That's different though. Anime CG is hindered by the fact that they have to make it look natural with 2d backgrounds, usually resulting in ugly cel-shaded garbage or just very plain and clunky looking CG. Pixar doesn't have to worry about blending in with 2d backgrounds so their CG can actually look good.

>>121755402
I know. It's hilarious to read comments of people who called Attack on Titan 'edgy' for this reason when in fact it didn't even have half of the gore JoJo has. And JoJo is never called 'edgy' on /a/ as far as I know.

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>>121754753
>different mythologies than just scandinavian and or germanworship.

>>121755386
>The problem is most of the time those people are comparing something like an OVA with a television series

You can play that game with tv series as well, Card Captor Sakura, Slayers, Mahou Senshi Luis, Trigun, Orphen, Gaogaigar, Macross 7 they all had great quality, much higher quality than most of the shows today.
OVA are just the final nail in the coffin as the quality is just tremendously, unsurmountably high.
You're completely right about the market, that still doesn't change that anime today is much worse than it was in the 90's/80's

>>121755483
Sad thing is that still looks much better than most modern shit. Plus, it's a good show regardless.

>>121755323
>otaking retarded shit
>big complaint
I'll give you a tip:"old anime *shading* is not better then modern", and no, it's not a big complaint because majority of anime viewers simply don't give a shit.

>>121755505
You seem to be an expert. Got any recommendations for series with very detailed art?

>>121755512
Plus CG is more expensive and studios cut costs in production.

>>121755505
There are some examples of both. Although they are few and far between, Anno's sequence with the lift off in Honneamise comes to mind.

There isn't enough about nondescript highschool schoolboys and their harems in modern anime, we really need more.

>>121755572

Mononoke. That's all you're going to get from me. Do your own research from now on.

>>121755607
If CG is more expensive then why are more studios adopting it?

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>>121755572
kindly leave

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>>121755505
>You can only have one of them, not both.
Depends on the budget and time constraints involved. There are definitely movies and OVAs that have both.

>>121755570
>"old anime *shading* is not better then modern",
eh, sure big guy, might want to check your eyes though.
>it's not a big complaint because majority of anime viewers simply don't give a shit.
So because the vast majority of people are plebs I should be a pleb too?

Fucking underdog mentality.

>>121755440

All I know is after seeing Patlabor 2 for the first time again since the actual 90's a few years ago (I honestly barely remembering seeing the old Manga Entertainment VHS release at a friends house literal decades ago) it kind of put a lot into perspective to me as to how even modern computer assisted 2D animation that some people feel is so great compared to 3DCGI kind of pales in comparison to the traditional hand drawn cel art with a budget under a good director at the top of their game as was the case with a lot of stuff coming out during that early 90's period. I mean there were some gorgeous looking films coming out during that late 80's early 90's period that have aged way better than some stuff that came out only a decade ago. I think it's a movie that every anime fan should see at least once if only for the experience, especially if they are of the kind that think that the absolute pinnacle of animation quality and cinematography are recently popular studios like SHAFT, Kyoani and ufoTABLE.

And yeah true, Shinkai is pretty much better with detailed artwork than actual fluid animation.

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>>121755623
Already have that on my list. Starting Gunbuster tomorrow then GitS.

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Gore.

>>121755628
I don't know. I'm saying it's more expensive because it was what Mizushima said in the Conqueror of Shamballa behind the scenes extra. But that was ages ago. They still used some CG in that film anyway.

>>121755539
>Trigun
>much higher quality than most of the shows today.
There must be a limit to be so delusional, because this is just being plain retarded.
There's a many factors outside of format that playing on how good show will look, but then again it doesn't matter because you are deluded retard, you obviously don't even watch the modern shows enough, simply deluded yourself into thinking
>oh new shows sucks
>old is better
Oh and anime today is moved from 00's, but I bet you also didn't realized even this.

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Bizarre, non-school based comedy

>>121755568
>it's old so it has to be good hurruddurrr!1!
>old anime was best anime! what happened to manime!!

Anime was good then and is still good now, end of story. Kindly fuck off to /tv/ or /v/ if you're going to be such an obvious casual.

>>121755512

For me the texturing on CGI models and the way they move at a more clipped frame rate than most stuff is what I have a problem with. At least I'm starting to see some non-CGI cars in some recent anime again. It doesn't happen often, but for a while I swear I was only ever seeing the CGI version of cars. You used to get such nice car artwork in older anime too.

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Edginess that would make most newfags shit their pants.

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>>121754316
Yes, this is totally a new thing

>>121755686
>Starting Gunbuster tomorrow
Prepare for disappointment

>>121752923
More grittyness.

>>121755686
Based Ideon.
>>121755719
Nice ad hominem, truth hurts a lot uh?

Ladies and gentlemen. You know what to do. Cleaning the board is the responsibility of each and single one of us.

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>>121755659
>eh, sure big guy, might want to check your eyes though.

>>121755539
>all had great quality, much higher quality than most of the shows today
Nichijou, Dennou Coil, K-on!, K-On!!, Hyouka, Kaiba, Haruhi, Tatami Galaxy, Gurren Lagann, Kemonozume, FMA:B and so on

There are plenty of examples of TV shows with great animation just in the last decade. There are just far more swamping them that are shit. Maybe not all of them listed are "muh detailed shading" types of great animation or maybe not all are as consistent as something like CCS but they have great animation in other ways.

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>>121755768
I don't mind full CG anime, Knights of Sidonia actually looks quite stunning. I don't like CG on 2D backgrounds.

>>121755834
You know that a large portion of shows you listed are KyoAni? That's sort of cheating.

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Would the Rebuild films count as having great animation?

>>121755790
>I'll ignore the point and just say something like ad hominem
>didn't even say anything but"hurr it looks good cuz I think it's good therefore it is truth"
So you where just baiting all along?
That would explain alot.

>>121755880
not him, but I thought KyoAni was garbage because /a/ told me so. how come their shows got mentioned if theyre all objectively bad?

>>121755776
Gunbuster is a fucking classic, faggot. It's got some of the most memorable scenes I've ever seen in anime.

>>121755742
Nicely meme'd

>>121755871
Sidonia was a nice look into possibilities. Only downsides are the fps and sometimes awkward animation. Well that and it's an overall mediocre adaption.

>>121755880
"It's cheating to list those well-animated shows, because they're from a studio known for producing well-animated shows."

>>121755943
Disagree, I thought it was a great adaptation and the reception was overall quite positive.

>>121755918
Silly anon. Maybe /a/ is not the place for you?

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>>121755928

>>121755834
There's much more of good animation even in not so much great animated shows overall, and you didn't even listed a half of good animated shit.
This guy seems to be a huge newfag who seems to not even being familar with actual "modern shows".
It's like one of those.
>I watched like a lot of anime, like a whole of 20 animes
>i'm such a nerd

>>121755967
Exactly. You should make a proper sampling design first.

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>>121755998

>>121755918
KyoAni is garbage with plot, but everyone knows they can't be beaten with their animation. Only Ghibli can rival them.

>>121755812
>Posting shows from the 70's
Nice strawman.
>>121755834
>K-on
>Good

The rest of the list is fine though.
>>121755904
Keep on being retarded Anon, you're doing great.

Why do people always get mad whenever someone tries to talk about the merits of older show? I just don't get it

>>121755967

I works as an example that quality tv-series are still produced, but it also tells that the industry as a whole doesn't care much about quality in tv-anime since it's just one studio.

>>121755998
The fucking feels.

>>121755918
>/a/ told me so
Would you kill yourself too if /a/ told you so?

>>121755483
The original Gundam, anyone?

>>121756040
Because it's redundant when you actually research and see that great animation is still practiced across different studios.

>>121755740
Hamatora
recent shorts, like Senyuu or Strange+

>>121756094
BS. The overall quality of anime has dropped tenfold.

>>121756040
Because of people like >>121755539

>>121756040
Because people can't simply admit that the ratio of Good to Bad was simply much better in the 90's/80's than it is in the 00's/10's

No one would deny that there are some great anime talking about both animation and details, but the late 80's/90's were literally the golden age, it's a fact, the industry was at its peak and the economy wasn't fucked up as it is now.

>>121756149
The overall amount of TV anime has also increased 10 fold. Who would have fucking thought it?

>>121755686
>Starting Gunbuster tomorrow

With all the moaning over animation quality of today it's kinda funny seeing Gunbuster here. You'll know why when you get to the last episode.

>>121756036
>>Posting shows from the 70's
>Nice strawman.
So anime from the eighties is "older anime", but three years earlier and it isn't? Your sense of time appears to be shaped by a childhood of mercury, alcohol and repeated heavy blows to the head.

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>>121752923
1. The adventure feeling.

Characters moving to various places meeting different people in oposite to "static" anime where all the action happens in the same city/school.

2.Variety in desings.

Both in clothing and monsters in oposite to generic CG dragons and all the cast using the same uniform.

3. Uncensored violence

Yeah, I'm edgy, now give me back my nightmarish anime. The reason I don't wan't a Franken Fran anime is because I know with nowdays trends it wouldn't work at all.

5.Noses

6.Absence of selfparody/references to the industry.

I'm perfectly fine with Idols in shows about idols and otakus in SOL about otaku life but don't understand why we have to have anime otakus or an Idol characters even in medieval anime.

>>121752923
Noses.

>>121755928
>Gunbuster is a fucking classic, faggot. It's got some of the most memorable scenes I've ever seen in anime.

Except the plot is extremely poorly developed, fanservice up the whazoo, shitty character development, melodrama and cringeworthy voice acting. The action is completely lacking and flat until the 5th episode. The very final episode, the climax of the series, being black and white and the major battle being a fucking slideshow was just incredibly disappointing. The only good episode was the 5th episode.

>>121756195
>people can't admit that I'm right
And you wonder why they hate you

>>121755664

Keep in mind that the Japanese economy was still somewhat strong in the early nineties. Anime has to make money.

Gore that's more than just someone spouting a blood fountain and that raw look of hand drawn animation.

Also a mecha anime that uses sound effect straight out early Gundam If there is a modern mecha anime that uses early Gundam style sound effects, please let me know

>>121756205
>With all the moaning over animation quality of today it's kinda funny seeing Gunbuster here. You'll know why when you get to the last episode.
I certainly hope this is a compliment, because the final episode of Gunbuster is one of the finest experiences anime has to offer.

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>>121756036
So 70's is not included in your "old anime is better belief"?
Nice hypocrisy.
>>121756056
That's not an example of anything, because anime is never being much high quality, good animated shit being there and there occasionally, and it's not only Kyoani, but again I can't expect from bunch of bandwagon idiots.

>>121756094
>and see that great animation is still practiced across different studios.
If only they would put it into practice more often.

>>121756040
Have you ever noticed how 90% of the time, "older anime is better" people only ever mention shit that was licensed in the 80s (mostly sci-fi otaku OVAs) and 90s anime? It's because that's fucking all that they've seen. They probably grew up in the 90s, watching anime on TV and buying 80s OVA stuff from various stores, so they've built up nostalgia for that stuff. But they usually don't actually go out of their way to seek out old anime, and in the rare case that they do, they only watch stuff that instantly reminds them of this supposed 'golden age' (i.e. robots and sci-fi and space)

Don't get me wrong, sci-fi/mecha/space stuff can be great! But what bothers me is the extreme close-mindedness these people have and how it all seems to be fueled by nostalgia moreso than actual passion. You NEVER see them mention amazing 80s anime that isn't for sci-fi otaku and doesn't use the typical MUH SHADING style, like Gosenzosama Banbanzai, Gauche the Cellist or Chie the Brat.

They also pretty much don't talk about the 70s at all aside from Leiji Matsumoto stuff (sci-fi and thus acceptable).

Meanwhile the people who DO talk about all this stuff tend to not be 'old anime was better, fuck newshit' types at all.

>>121756261
If only you would watch more than 20 anime.

>>121755742

You can find good anime from every year if you do your research. Avoid the mainstream crap.

>>121756195
Otaking pls.

>>121756056
>industry as a whole doesn't care
I'm sure they would love to put out a better quality product but that depends on budgets and TV budgets have always been low for anime ever since Tezuka sold Astroboy under cost price in 63.

>>121756040
Because they only mention a very small handful of the same shows everytime and claim that those shows are infinitely better than any show produced in the last 16 years "just because'

>>121756260
>>121756205
Might as well post Tetsujin and laugh at how shit it is, the 70's rarely had good animations, you can get some nice level of details in shows like Polymar, but the animation is always choppy and laughable.

>>121755007
Hand drawn tech in general. Even holo interfaces in mechs and ships look so much better when hand-drawn.

>>121756302
Anon, there aren't 20 anime worth watching each season. Come on, you can't be this mad that people don't like your cute girls.

>>121756251
>a modern mecha anime that uses early Gundam style sound effects
G-Reco?

>>121756373
Fafner.

>>121755402
Yes, desiring anything serious or violent is now considered "edgy". World has become too gay.

>>121756211
>6.Absence of selfparody/references to the industry.
I never thought I would say this in the past, but I'm getting fed up with the amount of otaku dickriding.

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Nipples.
>more Gunbuster

>>121756391
That's not 20.

>>121754753
>different mythologies than just scandinavian and or germanworship.
It's always Ragnarok, Freya or some other shit.
And when you have something fresh like Slavic myths or tribal legends - it's generic moeshit.

>>121756316
Exactly my point. But casuals like a lot of the people in the thread only watch a single bad mainstream show from a year and then they deem the entire decade garbage. The exact same can happen if you cherrypick in the 80s/90s. I'm sure you can find even WORSE shows in the 80s/90s than you can find in the 2010s. There's good anime all around which is why you should't base your preconceived notions over whether an anime is good or not on on irrelevant things like the year it was produced

>>121756415
I still like the boob jiggle of the OP the most.

>>121755903
I know this is all subjective, but i think the Rebuilds look fucking awful.

>>121756373
>anime is now cute girls
Is this 2007?
>hurrr all anime now is lucky star
Just shows how much newfag you really are, or just baiting.

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>>121756335
Randomly watching this '80s mecha show and it doesn't look too good either.

>>121756373
>mad that people don't like your cute girls.
Well done using the "moefag" boogeyman. This just proves that your opinions are invalid because of your own inexperience with the genre, and that you don't belong here and should just fuck off to whichever shithole you crawled out of.

>>121752923
More Shou Aikawa crazy anti-Semetism

>>121756439
Also Gunbuster is one of the few non-h anime I know of that showed an uncensored pussy.

>>121755773
>Genocyber

That one in particular was pretty bad, was gore for the sake of gore, zero substance.

I remember It even had some live action gore scenes mixed with cheap guts tricks

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>>121756415
At least post the webm, bro.

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>>121756448
>>121756471

>>121756461
>Xabungle
>Not good

Juggling_nukes.jpeg

Giant Gorg was better

>>121756490
Unshaven like a true beauty.

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>>121752923
Casual nudity which doesn't ruin the plot, just some extra beside the plot.

Seriously why should I watch series which plots are just poor excuse to show bitches naked (and, what even worse, censored even on th BD), and why can't I see nicely designed anime characters without their clothes if they are happened to be in anime with actual story?

>>121756519
I haven't gotten far enough to say whether the story is any good, but the art isn't all that detailed, is what I was getting at.

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>>121756350

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>>121756522
Yus

>>121752923
The courage and skill to challenge and/or break genre conventions.

>>121755903
Rebuilds look like shit. EVA has God tier art design and the animation is pretty good. Rebuild has shit art design with a little bit better animation. CG just destroys all uniqueness in the drawing.

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>>121753051
>>121753544
>>121753783
>>121756415
My brothers in arms!
>>121756544

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>>121756640
EoE was probably the peak of Eva animation.

>>121756040
Because
>it's old therefore it's better
And completely disregard everything that is made in 00's or now, for the most stupid reason I ever see, yet they didn't even watch anything for the most part.

>>121756640
Rebuilds had like the best sountrack of any anime ever though, that's got to count for something, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGuMeMsR6sk

>>121755998
I miss Gainax artistic wankery.

And Gainaxing.

Reckless use of budget to do something completely left-field and won't make a dime but is absolutely amazing. Seriously, my impression is that the ONLY impetus for making anime nowadays is "will it sell?". What happened to risk-taking studios and directors like 90s Anno and 90s Gainax?

>>121756245
Also there were more animators back then

>>121756544
Maybe you should stop watching anime that is whole point is to show bitches naked.

>>121756724

I need to re-watch Crusher Joe

>>121756753
Shame all the people with talent left Gainax and now it's a shit studio.

>>121756760
>What happened to risk-taking studios and directors like 90s Anno and 90s Gainax?
Economy happened.

>>121756760
>What happened to risk-taking studios and directors like 90s Anno and 90s Gainax?
Economy went to shit.

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Nipples got exchanged for ass, hips and vagina bones. Deal with it, titfags.

Has there been any iconic anime made in this decade? I can't think of any. Nothing even looks iconic. I'm coninced CG puts a low ceiling on how great your art style can be.

>>121756760

They either left the industry/got fired or died. Anime is basically all about selling a product now, with character designs being more important than practically anything if it's an original series.;_;

>>121756760
>Anno
>taking risks
He didn't take any risks, and no one did.

>>121756818
>>121756838
>economymind
On topic: OSTs with weird/alternative music.

>>121756429

+1 it is like saying all movies are shit because of fifty shades of grey, ignoring all the good movies that still get made.

>>121756771
Casual nudity is the only way to have nudity that is non-intrusive, and it is literally nonexistent in modern anime. In the rare occurrences that full nudity is shown nowadays, it's always made a big deal out of.
This is how nudity should be done >>121756495

>>121753131
Fucking this! Where are all the adults at?

>>121756877
pls watch the last 5 episodes of NGE

>>121756877
Anno basically bankrupt Gainax during his prime.

>>121756771
That's what I am complaning. That you can see either shows with shit tier plot, but actual nudity. Or good plot but, in that case, you should forgot nudity.
I want good anime with nudity like in the good old times. Is it too much to ask?

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>>121756854
Art style doesn't sell.

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More based and down to earth anime females along with Shonen heroes who aren't whiny, cliche', and are actually cool to watch. Yusuke Urameshi and Ryoko were my favorite growing up and I barely see any other characters who were as fun and based as they were. Their emotions and actions felt a lot more realistic and it made them easy to relate to.

So is this thread basically full of the anime-watching equivalent of dadrockers?

>>121756953
The difference between this thread and a post on /v/ about anime or a dadrocker is that people in this thread still like modern anime.

>>121756854
Iconic anime in the 21st century are few and far between, but there are some masterful exceptions like Texhnolyze and Monster.
>inb4 death note, FMA, code geass

Uncensored vaginas and nipples. Japan needs to stop being so fucking childish about it.

>>121756760

A lot of people went broke.

>>121756898
>This is how nudity should be done
This is fucking OVA, with occasional fanservice which this moment is.
By the way, stop cherrypicking shit as it's fucking common thing.
>In the rare occurrences that full nudity is shown nowadays
>i watched only 20's animes

>>121756263
Doesn't those "old anime is not better" do exactly the same thing? They cherry pick the same handfull of shows with cool animation disregarding the other 22 shows of the season that one appeared?

This season there is an studio with 5 different shows and the 5 of them have low production values.

I'm not gonna say everyting in the 80s 90s was gold, and not gonna say everything in the 00s and 10s are shit, but if you pick any anime from the 80s 90s ANY not just the licensed you will see that at least they put effort on making them, may be the story was bad, and the animation mediocre, but damn, they tried.

Pick any show right now randomly and tell me if you can say the same about it.

The industry is not based on making something for a proper audience kiddy shows for kids and mature ova for adults and fighting series for teenagers, is all about produce as much series possible to sell the merchandising/source material they are not interested in the anime itself that's why they put little to none effort.

When they did ovas, the ovas were the product, so they put effort on it.

>>121756995
Don't worry, almost everyone here will still be alive by the time Japan gets rid of that archaic law.

>>121756992
>Texhnolyze and Monster
Not Iconic.

>>121756925
>good anime with nudity
>in old times
How about watching more.

>>121757000
Since you seemed to have missed the entire fucking point of my post, I'll repeat it: casual nudity.

>>121756854
Monogatari. Not even baiting.

>>121753131
3rd this. Tought the new trend is a regular neet.

>>121757025
>I'm not gonna say everyting in the 80s 90s was gold, and not gonna say everything in the 00s and 10s are shit, but if you pick any anime from the 80s 90s ANY not just the licensed you will see that at least they put effort on making them, may be the story was bad, and the animation mediocre, but damn, they tried.

This.

>>121757035
Closest you're gonna get. They are both unique and exceptional. Battle shounens or most other anime that could be considered "iconic" are a dime a dozen.

>>121757025
>This season there is an studio with 5 different shows and the 5 of them have low production values
What? That's impossible.

>>121757066
Old anime is not full of casual nudity, if you want it so much research more.

>>121757074
He said iconic, not popular. Iconic such as Serial Experiments Lain, Gunbuster, Evangelion, Texhnolyze, Berserk, MSG, etc.

>>121757057
My backlog isn't that long, so I pretty much saw every single one wich was worth to watch.

>>121756877
he did, it started out on an early time slot as a show for kids. Anno was playing it straight at first but then suddenly stuck his dick in the proverbial pooper and went full serious business.

He also drove gainax near bankruptcy (the whole thing of him recently buying back the IP of eva was because they had to sell all sorts of shit to make sure they could make an ending)

>>121757107
But they are not iconic compared to Naruto, Bleach and One Piece.

>>121757112
Man, your reading comprehension is just abysmal. I never said anything about the frequency of casual nudity in older anime. I said it's practically nonexistent in modern anime.

>>121756854
I'd say Oreimo's popularity is pretty much te reason why every hare should contain a little sister nowadays. But it was thanks to the original LN and not the anime adaptation.

>>121757187
0/10 not even trying

>>121757223
How are they not iconic? Every one knows them, even people who don't watch anime.

>>121757112
The thread is about what we are missing from new animes which was in old ones. Casual nudity is something what I missing from the old times. Of course there were non-casual in_your_face fanservice shits back than too, but these ones are avalable nowadays too so why would I miss them?

>>121754284
Well, it's Evangelion, it's Anno and in general, it was Gainax.

Them pulling stuff like that wasn't surprising in retrospective.

>>121757258
Not sure about Bleach, but Naruto and One Piece definitely. And probably SnK.

>>121757258
If we're going by the actual definition of iconic, none of those are acknowledged especially for distinctive excellence. They are widely known, but the word you are looking for there is "mainstream".

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How about loli nipples in kids shows?

less pedobait

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I want Sci-fi to return to its glory.
And more guns of any kind.
There is too much fantasy.

>>121752923
Alpha males, something you almost never see in modern anime.

>>121756854
Tatami Galaxy.

>>121757144
>Berserk
Berserk anime is not iconic

Also if we are talking about digital anime i would concider GITS SAC Mushishi and FMA iconic for example

>>121757337
>>121757338
These don't add up

>>121753111

This.

>>121757364
There's too much gay fantasy, but not nearly enough High Fantasy. The 90s was High Fantasy heaven. Give me more Record of Lodoss War, Slayer, and Berserk.

>>121757365
And even if there's one, he'd ended up as a Gary Stu.

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Nobody in the industry could animate like this anymore.

>>121757373
Well back then you got some occasional loli in a show but it usually was more than just pedobait. Now we have a ton of shows that are nothing but pedobait.

>>121755537
Well kudos to nasu for that. because of him I'm more interested in middle eastern history
and holy shit I'm disgusted at how they're destroying the culture and history there.

>>121757364
There is too much harem and school settings and too little fantasy.

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The suffering protagonist

>>121757373
Well usually when loli nipples or shota dick was shown in older anime (even gundam had dicks and nipples), they weren't sexualized. It was not pedo bait. The animators just had balls.

>>121753903
Going blind.

No really

>>121757458
It will hurt you to realise that Gilgamesh is actually portrayed as a bearded massive guy in art.

>>121757473
That too.

>>121757025
>bashing everything that is made after 1999 is the same as telling people that it's nothing but being delusional
>muh epic mature shows where done in 80's and 90's
>they where full of great stories and all that kind of stuff blablablah
That's all about it, nothing but delusions of newfag who don't watch anime alot.
>they tried
>it's old therefore it's better
>even if it's shit
Nothing but being biased as hell.

Mid 90s level of detail on high budget outings.
No uncanny valley CG as a replacement ever.

>>121755903
Rebuild have great animation and direction but cgi loooks bad in some frames

>>121755237
>Remember Redline? Remember how shit it was?

I remember Redline, but I'm not sure you do, friend.

I really hate how in the hakuto remake they sort of glossed over the southers love for his master.

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>>121752923
I can't really put into words what I miss about 20th Century anime; a picture is worth a thousand words.

>>121757524
Yes yes I know its loosely based on it

>>121754614
Nigga it's BONES mecha. What's not to like?

>>121757631
You mean a girl and a boy being intimate with each other?

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>>121757631
Hand drawn anime was so beautiful.

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>>121757422
Ohira is still working y'know.

>>121752923
Is decent and captivating storytelling and characters a bit too much to ask?

Reading this thread I remember why I left /a/
Anyway where the fuck is md geist

>>121755871
I think stuff like Sidonia and MJP did that pretty well due to the fights being mostly in space. CGI mechs don't look that bad if they don't really clash with the background that much.

>>121757751
but most old anime didn't have that

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>>121757725
Modern day counterpart of said image.

>>121757631
>adventure
>more risks
>character development
>variety
>dirty jokes
>adult MC
>less shitty ranobe-haremshit adaptations
>less beta MC
>less super robots
>moar SCI-FI
>moar military

>>121757631
Was that even in the ova? Isn't it just a promo?

>>121756258
why was diebuster so different? watched both back to back which was a bad idea for me because they just didn't mesh well. diebuster should have been its own thing imo

>>121757767
That's the idea. http://youtu.be/7iIogZju9dw?t=1m40s

Headcanon that I make up in my mind.

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>>121757787
>less super robots
>In old anime

The biggest problem with modern anime, is that 20 years from now I won't be able to watch it at 20KQHDSUPERWIDE because it's all fucking capped at 1080p already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a7clqqbHZI

>>121753783
I could recognize those cross-eyed designs anywhere.

>>121757820
Even if that particular shot wasn't (not 100% sure), there are a hundred of equally beautiful images I could post from the OVA.

>>121757787
Why don't you just go back to /v/?
Would be much more productive.

For shonen especially: Main Villains that do more than fucking sit in their chair and plot, occasionally showing up to taunt the protagonist.
We need more antagonists like raoh that go and fight side characters. while the protagonist is doing other things.
And while we're at it, character death.
I want to see more main characters die part-way through the story.
Not some new character added to be killed, not a main character at the very end, I want to see main characters die on the journey.

>>121757521
My god, what they said about masturbation is true

>>121757843
I don't like their design.

>>121757822
Well, that kinda looks weird. Like it's ripped straight out a video game or something. Different parts of the video being at different frame rates doesn't really work that well.

>>121752923
Why are her boobs so big

>>121757774
I'm well aware that not all were like that, but the ratio was certainly bigger than today. You'd think that with the higher number of series being produced today we could get a higher number of quality shows.

>>121757860
What a fuck are you talking about?

>>121757025
>but damn, they tried.

You sound like a fucking biased retard.

>>121753783
>>121756654
you guys do know most BD releases are uncensored right?

>>121757894
Just realized youtube timestamps don't worry here, that's pretty dumb. And I think it looks pretty good.

>>121757521

Doesn't he have the same eye disease as Tetsuo Hara? Or something different?

>>121757947
>worry
*work

>>121756040
Because these faggots exist in EVERY single medium. They whine about the same shit every time. What they don't seem to understand is the quantity has gone up significantly in modern times which makes it seem like there's more bad stuff even though the actual ratio is probably still the same.

Anime fags are the worst in this because they see like 10 anime from the 80s/90s and think they have enough of a sample size to make any educated judgment on the quality of anime from that time.

I'm watching Nadia right now, and half the time they don't even bother painting inside the lines.

On older shows like that you can very easily see where they're saving the animation budget and where the money shots are, in extreme cases you get stock footage then low budget pans and flapping mouths the rest of the episode.

TV anime has always been sketchy quality. Strangely enough, it's done nothing but get better on that front so I don't know what people are complaining about. I think I heard the highest budget TV anime ever was GitS:SAC, and that aired in the 00's.

>>121756211
>1. The adventure feeling.

Can we has please? I'm tired of muh Tokyo, muh gakou, muh Nippon. Let's have wandering travels like Kino, Slayers, 3x3.

>>121757860
that doesn't make any sense.

>>121758008
>highest budget TV anime ever was GitS:SAC, and that aired in the 00's.
And it had shit animation, too.

>>121757945
You miss the point.
Most of fanservice now is pure marketing. Some shitty shows are try to burst their BD sells using censor. Nipples and gore are legit for night show

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>>121758010
yes please

>>121757737
I was hoping somebody would point that out.

>>121758008
F/Z
F/SN
>>121758045
It was glorious to watch in ongoing

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>>121756211
>adventure feeling

>>121758054
I highly doubt they actually aired it with tits out

>>121758045

It had good animation for its time.

>>121758114
>not remembering when cable tv didn't give a fuck
god I miss the 90s

Actual character design and not just repaint and different hair for each character. I guess this was mentioned here several times.

>>121758045
>It had shit animation

It had some shitty animation but most of it was good.

>>121758182
>Actual character design and not just repaint and different hair for each character
Now you just went full retard.

>>121758135
>for its time
I hate when people use "for its time" with regards to animation, it implies there is some kind of linear improvement going on with respect to time and that animation is on some upward trend along it. Really there is no relation what so fucking ever. The same goes for the term dated. All you need to do is look at the 40s/50s Disney films or shit like DYRL/Akira that still blows anything modern anime can do out of the water to know that is fact. It is just a matter of skilled artists, time and budget. Nothing to do with technology or date. The only exception I can think of to this is the shit that people like Ohira can do in Wanwa the Doggy when with digital colouring.

>>121752923
No CG

>>121758060
Escaflowne will always be one of my top shops. The OST is also god tier.

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>>121758168
In Soviet Russia shows like Plastic Little and Cobra was distributed as "bonus" on VHS. For good sleep.

>>121757631
I miss Nobuteru Yuuki's art.

>>121758250
Same goes for "handrawn", like they think as if being handrawn make something look good, and not actual animator's skill.

>>121754469
Thanks for the laugh

>>121758250
>it implies there is some kind of linear improvement going on with respect to time

It implies there is some kind of linear improvement with respect to labor quality and the increase in budget.

>>121755237
>CG can be great when studios like Xebec use it.
2199 and Argevollen looked like shit

>>121758340
Thanks for trollposting.

Not really.

>>121752923

Upbeat 70-80's fusion theme songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BqbDO2iS_U

>>121758388
CG haters are awful.

>>121758388
Argevollen wasn't bad when it comes to CG. It's the animation outside of CG that was horrible at times. And it had plenty of QUALITY too.

>>121755380
>Maybe Sunrise Studio 8 could pull it off...maybe.
Are you a fucking idiot or you generally don't know what you're talking about?

>>121753871
You empathize with a guy who turns into a girl?

>>121755380
Studio 8 isn't even Sunrise best studio you fucking pleb.

>>121757731
See. That's casual nudity. Not panty shots in every single frame but just on teared clothes when it was absolut logical from the point of plot.

>>121758323
>Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (character designer)

>>121758386
Unless you think budgets have generally increased and the skill of artists has aswell over that time it makes no sense. I already pointed out examples from earlier in time that modern anime has yet to surpass so the implication would also just be wrong.

>>121758464
You don't fit in. Leave.

>>121758518
>when it was absolut logical from the point of plot
keep telling that to yourself

>>121753003
>implying that wasn't common place in the olden days
You're confirmed for a toonami baby

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>>121758543
get a life

>>121758528
Yes budgets and skill of artists have generally increased. On average, a TV anime produced today will have better animation compared to a TV anime produced in the 80s/90s. Art direction is a whole different issue but in terms of pure animation, there is an increase in quality regardless of what your nostalgia tells you.

And you pointed out Akira and DYRL which were movies. If you think no anime movie from recent times can match its quality then you're just incredibly biased.

>>121757945
1, they aren't. Most of them use barbie doll anatomy or doesn't change a shit.

2, the whole point was that we miss casual nudity. Not ecchi show which only selling point is may or maybe nipples on BD, but shows which has good plot, well-written characters, oh and, by the way, they show nipples. Not in the
>please buy our BDs
but in casual way.
That's the type you won't find nowadays.

>>121758591
>crying bait over a post so small and harmless

>get a life
>on /a/
why are these threads always filled with newfaggots

Who wins Oscar? Disney's CGI shit of course.
Great artists wasted their time for CGI shit. Just look at Frozen artbooks. And Disney one three company who treated artists like slaves

>>121758623
>On average, a TV anime produced today will have better animation compared to a TV anime produced in the 80s/90s.
>there is an increase in quality regardless of what your nostalgia tells you.
That sounds like your bias to me.

>>121758698
Acting like Disney or Pixar CGI is bad is just full retard. I'd kill to have Disney level CGI in anime.

Anime when I was a easily influenced teenager were the best, the golden age.

Now nothing can make feel like that, everything is for kids and immature.

>>121758698
>And Disney one three company who treated artists like slaves
you mean like every japanese company except for like KyoAni or something

>>121758743
No, no. Their CGI is awesome. But just google artbooks.

>>121758748
If only it were so.

>>121758528
Akira was a huge shit all over anime back at the 80's because before it was basically choppy slide-show.
It's not something yet to surpass, because it's being surpassed by movies long time ago and tv animation improved since then and tv-shows can put some nice show without being a movie or OVA.
You really sounds contradicting because you making a statement that good animation and whatever has nothing to do with age and stuff yet saying that modern stuff is yet to surpass old stuff.
Buf according to you, if there's no relevance, there's nothing to surpass.

>>121758672
we need to tell them to keep lurking

>>121755903
Yes. Only Reifags and blind retards think otherwise.
>>121756640
EVA TV looked like fucking dogshit and every reversion looks better than the previous one, Rebuild is no exception unless you just autistically hate 3DCG of any kind. One thing I like is how the EVAs are actually scaled in Rebuild while the TV series had them all over the place in terms of it.

>>121756724
>animation
>1/3 of the film are used scenes from the TV series
>1/2 of it is live action
Okay

>>121758743
I really love how expressive CGI is in the West. One of the things I wish anime did better is show the slight nuances in facial expressions a lot better. Obviously that can take a lot of work but seeing some of the Disney or Pixar movies, it's really great to see how expressive and alive they make their characters look.

>>121758654
>the whole point
That you are deluded
>it's not ecchi/fanservice because I say so
It's not casual nudity, it's fucking fanservice, because you don't show naked girs and their tits without any reason and then saying it's "casual".
Wanna casual nudity go watch some KnK it has some tits but purely because it's rape scene, now that's a casual nudity.

>>121758797
>You really sounds contradicting because you making a statement that good animation and whatever has nothing to do with age and stuff yet saying that modern stuff is yet to surpass old stuff.

That has nothing to do with when it was made it is just the fact of the matter. There is animation from the 1940s that is better than anything ever done by anime. This alone proves that animation has no relation to time.

>>121756760
>Reckless use of budget to do something completely left-field and won't make a dime but is absolutely amazing.
Thank fuck that stopped since 9 times out of 10 you came out with shit.

>>121756854
>Has there been any iconic anime made in this decade?
Which decade? This one isn't even over

>>121758797
>Akira was a huge shit all over anime back at the 80's because before it was basically choppy slide-show.

No, just... no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRD-shnMQho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptF9e3iuJM0