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Rebellion is a masterpiece. I don't care if you like it

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Rebellion is a masterpiece.

I don't care if you like it or not, I'm just stating the fact.

The talent of Gen to make incredibly dramatic and sophisticated works is unarguably amazing. To work with Shaft or Type-Moon, Gen is doing it.
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Lets get this started then

Who /homu/ here?
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I thought it was a 9/10, definitely better than the series itself

I actually hate everything uroshitter has ever worked on except madokurino, he is a hack

Making one decent anime and a good movie doesn't redeem all the garbage he has put his name on
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Reminder that Madoka never loved Homura in any way and will abandon her forever with no regrets.
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>>121748003
It was okay, 6/10

The TV series was better.
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>>121748003
>homufags
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>>121748407
>2015
>still desperately forcing that crap
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>>121748317
But Psycho-Pass and Fate/Zero are really good.
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>>121749804
But he's right, you know. Homura's feelings are completely one-sided. Maybe Madoka cares about her as a friend, but certainly does not care for Homura to the extent that Homura cares for her.
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>>121748003
>this is what normalfags actually believe in
>they actually believe madoka is that good
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>>121749825
Psycho Pass is trash and Fate/Zero is average.
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>>121750119
>But he's right, you know

Your samefag is obvious.
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Rebellieren ist a masterpiece because of Homura
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MAMI IS STILL BEST MEGUCA
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>>121750615
I fucking HATE mumi because of her false confidence and wannabe-caring behavior. She's full of lies.
That scene when she freaked out and started a gunfire just nailed it. What a fucking bitch.

I hate traitorous scum like her.
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>>121750202
Any argument to support your opinion or are you just shitposting?
You're just shitposting.
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>>121748003
Rebellion literally ruined series.
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>>121751181
>Rebellion literally ruined series.

That's completely wrong.
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>>121751273
For me it at least ruined Homura.
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Why does Rebellion look so crap compared to normal anime movies.
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>>121751347
>For me it at least ruined Homura.

If anything, Homura received the best development in the franchise.
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>>121751452
>development
>shitting on everything Madoka has sacrificed for instead of becoming one with her
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>>121751113
Yeah, Mumi is a traitor who blows up her own damn to blame on innocent Sayakas.

Mami-san on the other hand is the great magical girl of justice who trained Madoka and Homura personally.
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>>121751410
Evangelion 3.33 had a huge ass budget, its not a normal anime movie.
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>>121751452
>development
>instead of doing something good for once in her life she literally rapes Madoka, destroys hef wish for good, and enslaves everyone to suffer forever in a fake world

Homushitters are subhuman just like Homura.
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>>121751798
I doubt it. You're thinking of Miyazaki and Ghibli.
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>>121751181
Also this, but it can be redeemed by having Madoka kill Homura in a sequel. It's canon Madoka never even thought of her as a friend and resents her so it's fine. Homura should have never been born.
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>>121752051
>It's canon Madoka never even thought of her as a friend and resents her so it's fine.
[citation needed]
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>>121752109
Didn't you watch the series and movies? Homura has a one-sided, evil, loveless obsession over Madoka's life. Madoka is clearly shown resenting her, especially once the brainwashing wears off in Rebellion. Homura means nothing to her. Urobuchi confirmed it in an interview shortly after the movie hit theaters.
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>>121752352
I have watched the series and Rebellion. Should I also watch first two movies? Homura just loves Madoka, and Madoka is shown to care for her in other timelines where they know each other well since the beginning. I don't think Madoka even has mental capacity to resent someone.
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>>121752637
Pity isn't caring. She tried to help her because she's altruistic and Homura wouldn't fuck off, but Madoka never considered her a friend. Calling her best friend was a lie to thank her for giving her the power to save everyone and to give her hope to stop being an evil cunt and become a better person by letting her go. Madoka didn't realize Homura lacked hope and love entirely and was pure evil.
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>>121752772
>Madoka never considered her a friend
>Calling her best friend was a lie to thank her for giving her the power to save everyone and to give her hope to stop being an evil cunt and become a better person by letting her go
>Madoka didn't realize Homura lacked hope and love entirely and was pure evil
>implying

all this fanwank and baseless assumptions
are Homura haters actually this delusional?
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>>121752884
Yet you have no source to back up your statements.
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>>121752967
You have none aswell. Madoka never said anything remotly confirming what You just told us.
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>>121752967
I'm not making any statements based on assumptions and my source is solely series and rebellion movie, therefore burden of proof is on him/you.
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>>121752637
>I don't think Madoka even has mental capacity to resent someone
It's too bad we don't really get any doujin that entertains this idea. I want some gloriously twisted Homura x Madoka.
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>>121752884
Except this is what Urobuchi and Shinbo said Homura's relationship with Madoka was. There is no love or friendship between them in any way. Madoka's happiest moment will come from ending Homura's life.
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>>121753171
Yet again no sauce/link for that.
Albert E once said you shouldnt believe every idiot on the internet.
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>>121753171
again, [citation needed]

>Madoka's happiest moment will come from ending Homura's life.
now you are just making Madoka sound evil, which she isn't

but even if you were right, can be authors opinion considered canon even if he didn't explicitly state it in his work itself?
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>>121753347
Saving the universe from pure evil, someone that ruined your life and you never loved, would make you happy. That isn't wrong.

When Urobuchi says no, Madoka doesn't love Homura in any way, you should believe him. Anything else is delusion.
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>>121753504
Then provide source.
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>>121753595
It's on the wiki.
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>>121753611
Where?
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>>121753823
What do you mean, where? It's in the translated interviews page around January 2014 if I recall, maybe November 2013. In there he also talks about Sayaka being the show's true hero and Madoka's real best friend.
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>>121753899
>>121753611
>>121753504
>>121753171
>>121752967
>>121752772
>>121752352
>>121752051
Why must you spread lies about me? I thought everyone can be saved but looks like you're an exception. I will not give you the salvation you desire.
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>>121754074
Madoka loving Homura is the lie.

That's good though, Madoka can abandon her and not miss anything. Homura never did anything for her anyway.
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>>121754074
>countering being called evil by acting evil
Sasuga Madoka
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>>121754142
>Homura never did anything for her anyway.

I don't know if you are bait, but I caught nevertheless. I'm really mad.
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>>121754142
I would never dare hate Homura-chan. She has been with me since timeline 1. I can see all the great deeds she has done for me. The best part is, now I can be with her while remaining a LoC. Since you keep insisting I hate her than you are worthless.

>>121754164
I must do what I must to protect Homura-chan.
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>>121754074
Bitch please, I'm no magical girl and am never going to be one. You wouldn't do shit for me anyway. Good thing you are pretty low on my personal pantheon.
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>>121754350
polytheistic scum please go
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>>121754350
Homura-chan is in charge of the incubators. I can work something out and you may get your wish.
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>>121751633
>Madoka has sacrificed

Madoka is a fucking useless cunt who did nothing, she's just a plot device to develop Homura's personality and character.

>>121751818
>instead of doing something good for once in her life

Homura did EVERYTHING good in her life and she's by far the most influential and useful member of Puella Magi squad who tried to be a team player but then realized how dumb and traitorous the others are and so she decided to act alone and rely only on herself.

Homura is a fucking hero. But yeah, you are right about "doing something good once in her life" for HERSELF. She has to dump that useless cunt Madoka and actually start caring about herself, not about the others.

Homura is ages above the other megucas. She basically transcends humanity.
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>>121754752
!Akemi pls.
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>>121754752
>that delusion
You'd think people with fully functional brains would abandon ship when the movie makes their favourite character the ultimate villian, but then again, I am on /a/.
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>>121754752
Homura-chan wouldn't like the way you're talking about me.
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>>121754828
Homura was the villain from day one. Only Walpurgis stood in the way of her twisted wish of enslaving Madoka's soul.
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>>121754164
>yfw Urobuchi said the story for Madoka and Homura are "done"
>yfw evil Madoka will never exist
There's only one hope left.
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>>121754789
I'm not akemi and not a part of daily circlejerk in Homu/PMMM threads and that only proves that there are more than just me who can actually handle understanding Homu's personality outside of shipping nonsense and cliches that are suitable for moeshit operators.

I'm not operating with cliches and crap like that.
That's a good thing, I'm pretty sure about it. Open minded people should understand Homu's personality pretty well.

>>121754828
Homura is not an "ultimate villain", she's not even evil, you dumbass.
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>>121754904
She only took a piece of my power. Get your facts straight before spreading lies about me.
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>>121754752
Is this Homuhater 2.0?
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>>121754917
She is the one Madoka loves most and the two of them will kill Homura for good.

>>121754983
Nobody loves Homura, she ruined the universe and plots to kill everyone because she is evil. She has no character and never did anything but hurt those kind enough to pretend to care that she was ever born.

>>121755096
>homuscum roleplaying as an actual character to defend the scum of the universe, Homura
Pathetic.
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>>121755208
Why wouldn't I be. Homura-chan is my best friend along side Sayaka-chan. I'm sorry you can handle the truth. It's pretty patchetic that you are undermining my feelings and are only telling lies.
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>>121755208
>Nobody loves Homura, she ruined the universe and plots to kill everyone because she is evil. She has no character and never did anything but hurt those kind enough to pretend to care that she was ever born.

Just because you mumble that bullshit since the release of the Rebellion movie, it doesn't make it even remotely right.
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>>121755306
Now you gone and made me mess up the little english I know.
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>>121755306
Please stop.

>>121755344
What? Of course I'm right, most people agree with me. Madoka will love watching Homura go to hell screaming.
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>>121750227
I agree

Madoka does not care about Homura nearly as much as Homura does about her.

Homura does everything she can and Madoka is basically "Oh wow but whatever I'm going to be god now later.
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>>121755389
I will stop once you stop lying about me.
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>>121755389
>I'm right, most people agree with me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
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>>121748003
Not gonna lie, after rebellion I liked the anime as a whole a lot more.
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>>121748003
I largely agree, but I think the series was still better.
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>>121748003
>le circlejerk again
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>>121752772

What you are saying would make Madoka the evil one.
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>>121757675
>reddit
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>>121758486
Should I copy-paste it here?
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noice b8
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>>121758524
Its tl;dr anyway, post short version if you read it.

captcha: ilust
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>>121757675
>No.
>http://www.reddit.com/

Holy fuck, reported.
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>>121757675
>leddit

Get out.
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>>121758592
Just read the introduction.
>I thus offer the following two theses:
>1.) The success of the original Puella Magi Madoka Magica TV series can be explained primarily through its adherence to a number of vital principles (pacing, thematic consistency, understanding of its artistic pedigree, etc.) which, in concert, exhibit mastery over the storytelling craft. I propose that Rebellion does not achieve the same victory because it does not adhere to the principles that made the original series great.
>2.) I also propose that the cause for said lack of adherence is the by-product of what I will label, as inspired by Shinbou and for the lack of a better term, fan response. Rebellion, in its entirety, is colored by the creator’s reactions to how viewers perceived the original work. In-so-doing, it forgets or discards what helped generate those reactions to begin with. To put it another way, the phenomenon of Madoka Magica was so great that it cannibalized the potency of its own sequel.

tl;dr; Rebellion is pandering shit with awesome audio and visuals.

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>>121758625
they mad
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>>121748229
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>>121751818
>>121752051
>>121753171
Threadly reminder that we'll always love Homura no matter how hard you try just like Madoka
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>>121757329
Hating and torturing pure evil isn't evil. Nor is only pretending to be the friend of scum if you hope they can change through you. Madoka was just sadly mistaken to let Homura live, Homura never did anything but hurt her and ruin her life, including killing her and raping her.
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>>121748003
>Rebellion is a masterpiece.
Why is this a meme?
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I dont know why this hasent come up yet, but after achieving her goddess form, Madoka clearly states to Homura that she sees all timelines from the past to the future. She sees everything Homura did, and conciders her to be her "very best friend" because of it. How can anyone seriously say and believe shes lying? We know Madoka dosent tell lies, its stated in the series.

Also its going a little far to say homura "shit all over" madokas changes to the universe. She kept everything the same, she only took the records of human madoka from the Law of Cycles while leaving the rest intact. The most I think anyone could call her would be selfish, and personally I wouldent even blame her for that. This whole threads just one big flame war though, then again what else could it be? Its not like we have anything new (madoka related) to talk about.
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>>121760438
Of course Madoka lied. She didn't like Homura but didn't want to be mean to her. By telling her she was her friend when she wasn't, she thought Homura would move on and use the memory of her to become a good person. Madoka was just mistaken, and for that Homura will burn.

Homura destroyed Madoka's heaven and is letting the universe fall apart. That alone shits on Madoka. She is evil and loves doing evil things to others, and Madoka is finally done with her.
>I wish I never saved you.
That kind of thing.
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>>121759205
I think you need help.
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>>121759205
>>121760818
Still putting words in my mouth. Homura-chan will always be my friend. I hate killing. I feel guilt from those times I had to kill Mami-san. Thanks to these past events, they can all live happy. So why must you insist on hating me?
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