"Chinese cartoons"

take this shit to /co/

>>121714567
>Why are the Chinese so bad at basic animation?
Like most things, China is new to it.

> Doraemon

Wait, what? Why are the nips outsourcing that? or is that some kind of copy cat?

>>121714656
>new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRPbzaV3tuo

Nearly 50% of all the animation you watch comes from China, Korea and Vietnam.

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>>121714567
Because most Chinese students who study in animation eventually end up working overseas.

IIRC some years ago Tomino went to Fudan University for a lecture, the media who accompanied him there took some interviews with the students, and most of them say they would probably wind up working overseas since the demand for animation in their country is low and the pay is cheap.

>>121714700
New to a developed animation industry for television yes.

>>121714704
>China
Taiwan, not China.

Who PreCure here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otAv6dYG6RU

I liked the Chinese Precure

>>121714567
>For a nation that supposedly has so much economic power, it's so embarrassingly shit
Fix'd

>>121714755
What is this bootleg Precure?

I met a Chinese guy once who was a turbo weeb and super adamant about how utter shit Chinese cartoons were compared to anime. Once he saw anime he felt gypped about his whole childhood.

My time to shine, have some Chinese animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOxpynAMYik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY9Kndy0ZMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0JVAeSibc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiEkgHlyD2w

>>121714567
republic of china mae the character designs for monogataris, you pleb. japan a shit.

http://seventhstyle.com/2012/03/26/vofan-does-more-than-nisemonogatari/

he's so good at pedophilia , britbongs banned him from entering the united femdom.

>>121715001
>Kung Fu Cooking Girls
Better than Koufuku Graffiti

>>121715145
>http://seventhstyle.com
kek. Use better link next time

>>121715145
Thanks. I could never pinpoint why Monogatari characters looked so weird and just blamed Shaft.

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>>121714567
>China
>Legitimate economic power

>>121714567
Why did you use the incorrect flag?

>>121714755
That's hilarious.

>>121715175
>better

here's his chinese baidu
http://baike.baidu.com/view/1282906.htm?fromtitle=VOFAN

and his mal entry
http://myanimelist.net/people/8594/Vofan/

his blog is gone though. only his flickr is still alive.

>>121715227
>i have shit taste

just like japan and /a/ i see

>>121714567
That looks like modern american animation as well.

i.e. shit.

>>121715427
>something that is different looks different
fucking wow!

>>121715285
>>121715427
>>121715500
Who are you quoting?

>>121714567

China's cartoons were actually a tad ahead of Japan with the amount of stuff that they had in the 60's. The Wan Brothers and their interpretation of the Journey to the West with Havoc from Heaven is better than Japan at the time artistically like Astro Boy, Kimba the White Lion and Cyborg 009.

Mao's Cultural Revolution basically destroyed that and Japan had overtaken China in animation by the time they repaired the damage in the late 70's. Nowadays, most of the animation is too Japanese-influenced.IMO.

It's either that or the animation is like what you linked where they animate as little as possible. Nothing unique about it and Japan does it better overall when it matters.

>>121714567
China has a pretty low power level when it comes to entertainment in general, mainly because they see animation and video games that aren't Brain Age as childish. They also have to appease the government censors that refuse anything that isn't patriotic, deviant, or damaging to their culture. Furthermore, their pressure to conform is far more serious than Japan's, so no NEETs/Hikkis to really cater to. China is a very conservative culture and proud of it. The only reason China industrialized is because Japan walked all over them in WWII and America's imperialism.

It's a real shame too, because I'd love to play a Chinese fighting game. Source is my Chinese friend.

>>121715001
That Six kingdoms trailer looks pretty rad.
Too bad it will only come out in 2016.

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Chinese Manga are pretty good.

Awesome art and lots of deep culture and poetry in this one.

>>121714567
Yes, my local channel airs them. They are shit and even more poorly animated than a regular anime.

>>121715001
>CGI
>good animation
lol

>>121715865

So, really like NK in that they fear being invaded?

>>121717217

Why are Korean and Chinese stories so fucking tragic? NOBODY gets a break.

I've been in shanghai only for a month or so and i've seen about 2 flash shows, and 2 cgi children's cartoons. Plus reruns of Chinese dubbed CCS and Detective Conan

>>121717217
I ship them so hard, but I know that Tang princess marrying a Turk prince wont end well due to historic spoilers.

Shit.

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>>121714567
>Year 2013 + 2
>Still not watching Balala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOq1UUM8w3g

>China
Only an economic Power because of their sheer numbers and their willingness to embrace a staggering real Estate bubble in the hopes that can learn to run before they learn to walk.

China just pirates everything anyway. Why try hard and spend money in entertainment when everyone will steal movies and shows from the rest of the globe?

>>121718084
Chinese real action movies are actually quite good. Especially the war-themed and historical ones.

Animation really isnt that big in China, aside of their (actually quite big and productive) subculture.

maybe it's a "least amount of work for highest profit" mindset. fucking chinese are the leeches of the world

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>>121714567
>>121714656
>>121714700
BECAUSE OF JAPAN (And themselves)

NO SERIOUSLY, China might be whining like a bitch about Japan but they're partly the reason why China isn't a developed animation superpower today.

China's animation industry was on par with Japan decades ago. In fact, China released the first Asian animated feature in 1941 shown in this post here: >>121714700

Japanese imperialists prevented chinks to work on animation. The conditions were hard due to the war.

In the 1960s, the wan brothers released Havoc in Heaven which won awards but it was banned during Mao's cultural revolution and animators were sent to work in the fields.

And of course, the pay today is total shit. One of the animators who who worked on Astro Plan complained about the industry there. He had no say in any of the creative department, and the execs basically decided everything. "Well this macross thing seem popular, alright let's just make our cartoon exactly like Japan's".

China has talent for art and animation, but current circumstances are just so bad there. Most Chinese animators just move abroad.

And here's an amateur but informative documentary about Chinese animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV3CrMCeSQ4

>>121718261
>least amount of work for highest profit"
Efficiency?

>>121718160
If it isn't the first world paying actors is almost always far cheaper than attempting decent animation.

Though I won't profess to know if China has celebrity actors of the same rough ballpark as other parts of the world.

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>>121717927
Literally fucking Chinese Precure.

>>121717927
>all that zooming in, zooming out and panning
WHY DO THEY DO THAT IN EVERY FUCKING SCENE

>>121717927
Damn I'd watch this
what channel

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>>121714736
Wuxi, China, actually. Taiwan labor has become too expensive for TWEENing, so China now second only to worst Korea for secondary animation work. There's even a chartered daily flight from Wuxi to Tokyo specifically for frame delivery now.

Yamamoto, Kenta. "International Production Allocation Strategies of Japanese Animation Studios." Spaces of International Economy and Management: Launching New Perspectives on Management and Geography (2011): 239.

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>>121718160
>Especially the war-themed and historical ones
Amen to that.

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>>121718465
金鹰卡通 weekdays 6pm

>>121714567
Opportunity cost. Why bother developing local animation when you can just import/pirate from right next door?

And since local animation isn't developed, they can't higher any local talent, who all go work overseas instead.

>>121718666
Are there any good Chinese ancient warfare films?

More often than not the battle scenes are the pawns just rushing into a mess and then generals flying around with their swords shwinging around like magic.

I want some proper strategy and shit, man. Those Chinese halberds look like they could form some bad ass phalanx but I've never seen a film with some sort of believable and good tactician/strategist generals duking it out with brains and wits.

>>121717927
do you know whre to get any subs?

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>>121715145
Hey look it's a mad chink!

pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maMsZiK8obU

Old Master Q movies and comics were part of my childhood.

Still have a copy of the Water Margin one.

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>>121718949
There aren't any. Time to brush up on your Chinese.

>>121714567
>For a nation that supposedly has so much economic power, its animation is so embarrassingly shit when compared to Japan's it's not even funny.
It's not supposedly. They do have it. Not per capita, but the government / nation does have fantastic economic power.

Guess what, they don't direct it towards moe girls... they have actual prostitutes, wifes, mistresses for this.

It's the lower classes that need waifus. They don't really get shit in China, though.

Where my gundam and, eva anc macross ripoff, chink bros?

>>121719035
But Old Master Q is from British Hong Kong, not China.

>>121719145 (cont'd)
PS: The EU is number 1 in terms of economy and they are also not too great with anime / cartoons or even movies overall.

There are some, but it's just not a terribly big industry.

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It's totally original Chinese QUALITY

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>>121719236
>>121719277
>magic index library
Can they just make up some different names?

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>>121719155
There's this one mecha show where all the enemies are overt Madoka references. I don't see it uploaded on Youtube though.

>>121718928
More like politics. On one hand, they officially regarded pornography, ecchi etc. as threat to public stability (and they still kinda do).

On the other hand waifus isn't what starving and/or poor peasants want right now, anyways.

Medicine, food, shelter, mobility, and maybe the electronics required to even display anything (smartphone, tv, ....) are obviously higher on the list.

The richer city dwellers just import, it rocks the boat far less than if the government or anyone affiliated (anyone that matters or has economic power... like, you know, TV stations, which fund this in Japan) spent money on cartoons.

>>121719333
Too complicated

What's the deal when chinks talk their horrible language, it's like they have a fucking potato on their throats.

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You guys just wish you had this badass.

>>121719236
How do the chinks get away with this?

>>121718930

The Warlords, which is about the Christian Taiping Rebellion in the 1860s, had pretty realistic battles with blank weapons and 19th century firearms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8379_8pDQ

Or The Fall of Ming as well. But its more a political commentary about endemic corruption and made to support the current Chinese leadership in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68dRTCDA40

For modern Chinese/civil war era setting, The Assembly is pretty good and had realistic fire-fights (also lots of feels):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8TD6mzlTBQ

>>121714567
There are other economicaly advanced countries which do not produce any significant animation.
It's just not their thing.

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>>121719366
Ah yes, Star Guardian.

>>121717818
centuries of warfare and getting rekt by whitu piggus does that to you. also tragedy is so romantic!

>>121717818
For some reason most manwha I've read, which isn't a lot, seem to think parents punching their children in the face repeatedly is no big deal. Korea is fucking scary.

I just want an animated Ravages of Time.

>>121719707
Nobody sues them. Even when you sue them it's not effective.

>>121720143
>It's real

Chinese Mami Gundam even got headshot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFWFphC4sA&t=914

>>121714567
>Why are the Chinese so bad at basic animation?
Well, you see, China is actually relevant in this world, and has to focus on other things like Putin and copying military designs, while Japan just sits on there ass and perfects cartoon making.

>>121714567
>>>/co/

Not anime.

>>121718930
>Those Chinese halberds look like they could form some bad ass phalanx but I've never seen a film with some sort of believable and good tactician/strategist generals duking it out with brains and wits.


Red Cliff's about half-and-half. There's lots of Dynasty Warriors shenanigans with the higher ups running into the field and throwing cannon fodder left and right, but it's a war epic so they got a lot of elaborate formation choreography too.

>>121714567
To be fair, Japan blows any country out of the water in terms of animation except for the USA. It's not just China but countries like the UK, France and Germany have prosperous economies (and higher living standards than China too) yet can't produce any animation on the level of Japan or America.

Japan is really, really good at animation, that's it.

>>121721123
Japan really only has variation in animation to give them an edge over west. They make animation with lots of different genres and plotlines to all ages of audience. Western animation is pretty much entirely kiddie shit.

If west started broadening its horizons in animation Japan would be BTFO.

>>121715519
Why are you posting with /jp/ mannerisms on /a/?

>>121721969
I doubt it. If we move to another medium and make the comic-manga comparison, American comics suck pretty hard. That's mostly because only two companies are actually large enough to influence the market, and both produce the same old shit.

Now that I think about it, it's the same with animated movies in America (Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks... that's it) except those actually produce pretty good movies from time to time.

Maybe it's not just variation, but a market structure that makes it very hard to access for new writers without aligning themselves with an already existant company and their "doctrine". Meanwhile in Japan, doujin writers can become popular out of fucking nowhere (for example, the guy who wrote Monmusume).

I guess western animation markets need to be more "open" to smaller companies and independent writers.

>>121721969
The West doesn't even need to start animating.

They just need to write good storylines and outsource everything to Korea, which is what the West already does. It just has no variety for animation.

>>121722138
Hilariously enough when it's west vs Japan in animation it's only about western and japanese writing while all the animation work on both camps is done in Korea.

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>>121722177
So what do American and Japanese animators do then? Are they jobless? Do they move to Korea?

>>121721123
France can be good.

Because the Chinese don't see it as an art form. Look at recent Chinese dramas after the Hallyu wave. They certainly upped their fucking standards. The moment a country starts to take the medium seriously standards go up. Look at most cartoons now. Older cartoons were slice of life with little development or little heart. Now that everyone's grown up and people passionate about animation can work in the industry you're getting a lot more clever and well-written animation, even on Disney and Cartoon Network.

>>121714815

China is what happens when you fail to stop the elite from taking everything.

You can be the most productive nation on the planet, but if only a few are reaping the benefits of everyone's hard work, the average guy is still going to be living in a shack with a community water facet as his sole water supply.

America beware.