Why do people tend to dislike shoujo more than shounen?

Because there are more shounen than shoujo on /a/.

Sci fi and historical adventure shoujos are the best.

school life a fucking shit.

they think disliking/hating on traditionally hating on girly things makes them manlier. same could be said about people who love listening to metal music.

Because a lot of shoujo is really bad and a good portion of it is focused on yaoi and/or creepy men with large hands.

There's some good shoujo, but a lot of it is basically the same as those trashy romance novels that you see in book stores.

Because the average shoujo is really fucking awful holy shit

Because shounen is for little boys and shoujo is for little girls.

>>121713598
I would say the opposite is true, because they are less popular

>>121713804
you are right

i'm a cute little girl and I do love shoujo

What are some legitimately good shoujo?

>>121713598
Drama. Stupid, stupid drama.

>>121713869
Depends on what you're looking for.

>>121713869
7 Seeds
Nana
Rose of Versailles

Fact: The best shoujo/josei have the best character development you'll ever see in the medium; well beyond what shonen is capable of achieving.

>>121713869
See OPs pic.

I don't have any good memory of shoujo.
Holy shit, their drawing are atrocious, and their drama are absolutely terrible. It's like people who read them have no standard at all.

>>121713961
And the worst have art that is beyond awful and is usually about gay men.

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MAO THE CUTEST

>>121713869
candy candy

>>121713869
Old school shoujo.

Many feature romances that are more unrealistic and delusional than a harem. Plus ugly art.

>>121713961
>Fact: The best shoujo/josei have the best character development you'll ever see in the medium; well beyond what shonen is capable of achieving.
Why lump josei with shoujo? Also Phoenix is shonen so fuck you.

>>121714070
Harems actually happen and they're infuriating as all hell, you'll find that 90% of all shoujo plots are delusional garbage on the other hand.

>>121713869
Look for Sci Fi and historical adventure shoujos. Especially the older shoujos of that.

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>>121713971
What about pic related?

There's also two upcoming shoujo that I know nothing about, but might be worth checking out: Ore Monogatari and Akagami no Shirayukihime.

>>121714161
>Sci Fi and historical adventure shoujos
Any titles you think are good? All I'm fnding is high school romances.

>>121713869
Basara
Kodomo no Omocha
Glass Mask
>>121713961
>7 Seeds
Josei
>well beyond what shonen is capable of achieving.
Hunter x Hunter

Because shoujo is wish fulfilment for girls and shounen is wish fulfilment for boys.
Watching a bunch of doormats being totally fine with their love interest sucking and all dick that come within a 100 mile radius of her is just as rage-inducing as I imagine girls think harem manga is.

>why do people dislike shit aimed at women in a board that is 95% male

What a fucking stupid thread. Kill yourself, OP.

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>>121714161
They don't make them like these anymore.

>>121713869
The ones from the 70's/80's.

For some reason recent shoujos seem to have completely given up on plot and interesting settings and replace it all by cringey misunderstandings. Also old school shoujos heroine have ambitions besides sucking the Mr. Popular's dick.


Only recent shoujos I can think of is Ouran High School Host Club and the beginning of Kimi Ni Todoke, before it overstayed its welcome.
So RoV
Candy Candy
Lady Lady
Lady Georgy.
Glass no Kamen

A more recent good read is Hana Yuri Dango if you're into taming tsundere husbandos. The heroine is awsome.

>>121713961

>"I wanted this guy to bone me, but now I want that guy to bone me!"

Riveting character development indeed, chap.

>>121714227

Why are their heads so small? Why are their chins longer than their foreheads?

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>>121714191
Older stuff. "They Were 11" is good.

>>121714310
>Why are their heads so small?
They aren't, you're just used to basketball heads.
>Why are their chins longer than their foreheads?
Not even trying

There's always a fucking love triangle even though main girl and main guy is close on getting together.
Its like a reverse nisekoi without new girls every now and then the fillers are basically worst boy shitting up the relationship of main girl and boy , yes I'm talking about Last Game

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Are there any shoujo/josei without fujoshit pandering besides Nodame Cantabile?

>>121713794
>Because the average shoujo is really fucking awful holy shit

There was a time shoujo was really badass like with Rose of Versailies and Sukeban Deka back in the 70s

What the fuck happened with the female demographic?

>>121714206
>shounen is wish fulfilment for boys.
>most shounen ended up being fujoshibait

Do boys wish they could be gay as well?

>>121714690
Hana Yori Dango?

>>121714206
That's actually a good point. How guys feel about inverted harems? I usually don't mind because it feels even that there can be girls with a male harem just as the dudes with a female one. Also most shoujo inverted harems are usually more focused on romance and interactions rather than just a dude falling on tits or being an "alpha" hunting pussy. The last one is funny because typical "alpha" do appear in shoujo sometimes but nevertless fall for the heroine.

>>121714800
Fuck Hana Yori Dango.

>>121714170
>Ore Monogatari and Akagami no Shirayukihime.
Both are great, check them out.

>>121713869
Aoi haru Ride.

>>121713869
aoharaido, karekano, orange

Because shojo is shit and is for pussies.
Seinen > ALL btw

>>121714949
So next season we have two good shonen harems, Yamada and Shokugeki, and two good romance shoujo, Ore Monogatari and Shirayukihime? Nice.

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Chihayafuru is fucking good, you shit taste.

>>121713598
Shounen doesn't have rape and abusive romantic relationships.

>>121713598
At least it's better than Josei.

>>121715217
It's not shoujo.

>>121713652
You're my anon.

>>121715217
it's not a shoujo.

But yes, I agree it's good.

>>121713598
Usually once shoujo goes drama mode it just shits itself so badly.

I just ignore shoujo titles unless they are really recommended.

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>>121715290


So what are tsunderes so popular?

>>121715363
*why

>>121715363
>tsunderes
>romantic
>rape
>traumatizing
Try harder.

>>121715290
Someone hasn't watched Cross Ange.

>>121715290
Better word is sexual assult in rom-com shoujo. Rape is more yaoi's thing. Both aimed at little girls anyway.

>>121713598
I doubt those so called haters actually read the manga, especially the what an abusive male T_T crowd.

>>121715422
>Better word is sexual assult
I don't see the difference.

>>121713869
I like tonari no kaibutsu kun

The quality of a shoujo series is directly tied into the slaps-per-chapter ratio.

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>mfw wikipedia describes inuyasha as shonen

>>121715440
Rape's definition means penetration. Rarely do the MC's grab and rape the feMC. They might get on top of her and start touching her but never actually rape her then and there.

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>>121715290
>Shounen doesn't have rape and abusive romantic relationships.

>>121714217
>>why do people dislike shit aimed at women in a board that is 95% male
Maximum projection. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>121714744
Japan idealizes male bonds for the samurai culture. Girls see fujoshit but boys see a "relatable" MC having awesome friends and cool adventures

>>121713598
Big hands.

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>>121715290
>doesn't have abusive romantic relationships
Gee, I wonder why the violent tsundere is so prominent.

Shoujo is only for girls
Shounen is for everyone
If 95% of shounen manga was haremshit, girls would ignore it

>>121715570

It is. It was published in Shounen Sunday. Takahashi's works have all been shounen.

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>>121713869
Akatsuki no Yona
Best shoujo

>>121714690
I think part of those that wanted action switched to reading battle/adventure shonen.

>>121713869
Natsume's Book of Friends

>>121714989
Not good at all, the heroine is annoying and the guy is a jerk.

>>121713652
I like you, anon.

>>121715740
Tsunderes don't have real power, they're toothless puppies instead of wild beasts. The tsundere may have super powers but she can't really hurt the MC, at best she act like a spoiled brat

>>121715804
>b-b-but she doesn't actually hurt the MC
You can say the same about male tsunderes in Shoujo.

>>121715050
>Shirayukihime
Been hearing some good things about this. Not sure how I feel about BONES adapting a shoujo manga though. All their series seem to be action oriented.

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>>121715403
You mean that late-night mecha lesbian porn anime with occasional innuendo from the Tusk guy? It's not shounen, silly.

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>>121715290
>Shounen doesn't have abusive romantic relationships.

>>121715857
Shoujo males often hurt the heroine, physically and emotionally

>>121715862
Their adaptation of Ouran was great.

>>121715862
They did a good job with Ouran, but that was a long time ago though

Different audiences they pander too
I do like Shoujo because of the cute outfits that are in them but some of the art thats considered acceptable is atrocious

>>121715910
To be fair, Sasusaku was fangirl bait. Its fanbase is overwhelming female as well. Shounen has been pandering to diferent demographics for many years

>>121715928
>Igarashi
>Enokido
Of course it was.

>>121715862
Last time they adapted a shouojo manga was years ago with Ouran and that was great. Its one of those series you can watch over and over and not get tired of. Dub wasn't bad either

>>121715759
Is there even any real romance in that one? The girl loved a guy who killed her father, but other than that it's just ship tease that doesn't really lead anywhere.

>>121715953
they pander to*
Just can't english today

>>121715765
I think it may be the case. Although my only source is that one chapter in Gintama with a little girl being given shounen manga to read as shoujo was too heavy on the content.

>>121715975
Ouran's dub was great.

>>121715804
This. Tsundere antics are always used for comic effects. The MC is never physically or emotionally hurt as a result.

>>121715050
Also S2 of Nisekoi

>>121715570
It isn't? I thought it was serialized in Shounen Sunday.

>>121715966
Shirayukihime doesn't have any of those names working on it, correct? So it can end up being anything, from good to horrible.

>>121715652
And you're retarded. It isn't surprising that a male dominated board prefers shows aimed towards little boys more than it does shows aimed towards little girls.

>>121716083
Nisekoi is average. Its just a mash up of every ecchi harem cliche ever.

>>121715755
>Takahashi's works have all been shounen.
She's done seinen as well, like Maison Ikkoku. Just a while ago in Blue Blazes the main character was shocked to see her series in Big Comic Spirits.

"Would they force the creator of Urusei Yatsura to draw porn?!" or something like that

>>121715975
If you seriously watched the dub you're retarded

I don't care about the quality of the dub, Ouran without Miyano as Tamaki is just plain wrong.

>>121716108
>source: my ass
keep on projecting

>>121716165
Learn what projecting means, you fucking dumbass.

>>121716112
But the manga is finally starting to pick up though. I have to agree that it brings nothing new to the table but it is enjoyable in and of itself.

>>121716160
I don't know, Vic Mignogna did a pretty good job!

>>121715910
I never understood why you people view relationships such as this as wrong, or why do you care about people liking it.

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>>121716256
for the same reason we don't like seeing beaten wives still clinging to their abusive asshole husbands.

>>121716196
only after you fuck off from /a/, newfag

>>121716256
He always treated her like shit and she kept going back to him. Even worse, this was portrayed as a positive thing.

>>121716288
>for the same reason we don't like seeing beaten wives still clinging to their abusive asshole husbands.
Are you actually comparing a fictional history to real life, are you one of the idiots who took 50 Shades of Grey as serious?

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>>121715976
There is, but you have to be patient...

>>121716331

people read fictions to feel.
No one read it in a complete neutral and detached way. Of course, you're going to project you're own moral standards on it.

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>>121716298
>i-if i call him a newfag i'll look less retarded!!!

>>121716389
>you're own moral
and you are not?
I am just saying man, let the women like their shit.

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>>121716353
There's something really likeable about the Hak/Yona pairing, I hope they will become canon.

>>121716449
>let the women like their shit
They are allowed to enjoy it, just as I'm allowed to shit all over the thing they enjoy.

>>121716016
What chapter is?

>>121716389
>>121716321
What's the solution? Girls fucking love wife beaters, at least on fiction, and there's nothing you can do about it. Jerk-off with the seasonal haremshit and get over it

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>>121716468
Me too anon

>>121716517
>They are allowed to enjoy it, just as I'm allowed to shit all over the thing they enjoy.
Why did you even bothered replying? your entire post was as useless as this one.

>>121716517
Girls don't like your favorite haremshit/moeshit either but /a/ lose their shit when a girl shit over the seasonal haremshit or cute girls doing cute shit

>>121716449
the problem is that I'm a woman and that sort of shit bother me.

I have nothing about taming a slightly assholish dude but murder attempts is pushing the tsun too far.

>>121716717
>>121716771
Are you saying I'm not allowed to dislike something because girls enjoy it? SasuSaku is a shitty fucking pairing, I'm not gonna give it a pass for that reason.

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>>121713652
You. You are a good guy.

>tfw silly puffy jackets and high pants and inverted triangle bodies will never really ever get back in style
>Reiko Shimizu's era of insanity has long ended
>saki hiwatari's art became shitty
>terra he is basically a goddamn fossil

Liking old manga is knowing true suffering.

However, I just recently started reading Kanata Kara and I'm very much liking the art style.

>>121716869
Just saying that unless you hate haremshit and you're totally OK with feminist blogging, you're a fucking hypocrite

>>121713598
Both are unrealistic, but where shounen is outlandishly so and clearly meant as fiction, shoujo sets itself low enough that it teases the notion that if you act/talk/dress in a certain way then all your dreams will be rewarded with fulfillment, giving it a false realism that's so naive it's insulting. Shoujo preys on psychology and manipulates wish-fulfillment fantasies.

>>121713598
It is because woman like shonen.

>>121716899
I just call shit out when I see it. Sasu/Saku is shit. It's as simple as that.

Am i the only one who is watching kamisama hajimemashita s2?
Nanami a qt

>>121716899
What did your sentence even mean?

Haremshit and shoujoshit is like sniffing your farts.
Both guys and girls enjoy it but think it's fucking disgusting when others do it.

Do healthy relationships in shoujo even exist? The last one I saw had the guy treating the girl like a dog or some shit.

>>121717136
50 shades of grey is not shoujo

>>121713869
I would say Nodame but i think it is Josei instead of Shoujo though.

>>121717136

Well Kazehaya x Sawako is healthy though cringey at time.
Also Ouran. Tamaki was a good supporting boy through and through.

Femanon here. I only like shojo/josei when they're smut and I only enjoy rapey smut because nothong gets me off like imagining being forced to submit to a sexy alpha's pleasure. I'm really happy we're getting Diabolik Lovers season 2, I've masturbated so much to Ayato, he's fucking perfect and I want him to make me pregnant.

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>>121717164
Mayu Shinjo and Diabolik Lovers are a lot of women's schlick material.
Why do you guys hate women?

>>121717406
>Mayu Shinjo
Oh God no