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There is not a single protagonists that has suffered as much as Killy from BLAME!.


>has lived so fucking long he has to actually delete personal memories that don't have anything to do with his mission
>can spends centuries completely alone during
>has to fucking WALK the entire distance of the fucking solar system
>pretty much everything wants to kill him
>gets blown to pieces, maimed, limbs cut off, and skin burned, flayed and torn off on a fucking regular basis
>finally manages to find a waifu
>has to kill her
>manages to find the kid he needs at the end
>has to walk the whole fucking way back and pray to the silicon lords that this little shit doesn't get killed

Guts has fucking nothing on Killy.
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Sounds like a Gary Stu.
>>>/sao/
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>>121643630
Not really, he maintains the same power level throughout the manga, and arguably becomes weaker at the end.

If anything Guts is a Gary Stu seeing as how he repeatedly gets new weapons and magic fucking armor.
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>>121643630
>Sounds like a Gary Stu.

Go fuck yourself.
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>>121643600
You are completely right OP
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>>121643600
Only person that's more suffering than Killy:

A Blame fan trying to buy the individual Tokyopop volumes.
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>>121643630
That would be Cibo. Holy shit.
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>>121643903
You mean Sanakan, right?
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>>121643859
A-all I need is volume six! Why isn't anyone selling it for less than $150?
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>>121643946
I have the first two or three in excellent condition.

Last I checked, I could probably sell them for the price of the rest of the collection.
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>>121643859
Only a retard would waste money on Tokyopop shit, not a fan.
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>>121643931
Nah, Sanakan was the SafeGuard that got converted or whatever.
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>>121643998
They were the ones who released the manga in english, you fucking moron.
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>>121644039
I meant more that Sanakan was more OP than Cibo towards the end.
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>>121643994
Nah, the first volume is around $40-50 online.

4 and 6 seem to be the most rare.
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>>121643600

ya.
infinite dungeon isn't a hyperbole.
but killy isn't really human anymore, so suffering may not be the same for him.
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>>121643600
Could Chirico beat Killy in a fight? Takes place in a Scopedog factory, Chirico is holding a space baby, and wants no trouble.
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>>121644158
I'm a Britfag, and at one point, the first volume was going for the equivalent of about $350. The rest were between $40-90
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>>121644086
You think so? I dunno, she seemed to get her ass kicked pretty hard protecting Cibo.
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>>121644199
>implying he doesn't weep on the inside
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>>121644316
Yeah, because, at that point, the Safeguard was going all out. She was more powerful, but, sadly, so were her foes. Plus, she was trying to protect Cibo. All being equal, in a straight 1-1 fight,Sanakan would've won.
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>reading BLAME
>not using it as an architectural digest with occasional dialog balloons/
this is what sidonia no kishi haters believes.
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>>121644490
Sidonia would be better if there was more architecture and less GRETEST PILOTO dialog balloons.
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>>121644428

Sanakan wasn't protecting Cibo from safeguards, those were Silicon Lifeforms or whatever they were called.

The medieval knight looking things with the shields that stopped GBE were silicon lifeforms. The big weird enemy at the end was a safeguard tho i think
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>>121644490
>Sidonia no Kishi

Litterally Blame! for slice of school life, comedy harem faggots

Blame! actually had some deep lore and moments of pure nightmare fuel.

>be a knight for a self aware AI
>she revives you every time you die
>receive permanent brain damage each time
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>>121644641
Nah, that's BLAME! Gakuen. And it was fucking awesome.
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>>121644641
>>she revives you every time you die
>>receive permanent brain damage each time
Sounds like EYE: Divine Cybermancy.

I want to read Blame! but last I checked the online scans were all hideously awful. Has this changed?

I really wish Sidonia were better. Nihei's beautiful clean art style really is done a huge disservice by the cookie-cutter tropes.
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One thing I never got where the giants near the beginning who are nearly twice Killy's size, the ones calling him a kid I mean
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>>121644744
There's a complete torrent on BBT that's perfectly readable. Dunno where you got the idea they were bad, all the scans I've seen are the ones translated from the French scans (Band of the Hawk? It's been a while).
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>>121644788
They were just humans without the net genes. They had just evolved/mutated to be large, and they thought he was a kid because of his height.

You have to remember the "City" they in is like half the size of the entire solar system. So you have pockets of life scattered that are completely isolated from each other for incredibly long lengths of time.

Same reason that one race of humans they found were so short.
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>>121644848
I think that's the one I mean. They were all really low-quality and crummy to the point details were obscured. I mean, do you think this is acceptable for the level of visual detail in Blame! ?
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>>121644906
I thought It had to do with lifespans or them being an older type of human, but that's makes sense as well I guess
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>>121643600
>has lived so fucking long he has to actually delete personal memories that don't have anything to do with his mission
>can spends centuries completely alone during
I've finished the manga several times and I've never heard anything about this
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>>121643600
Afro Samurai has suffered so much. Bonus points since he's actually mortal and not a machine like your guy seems to be.
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>>121644641
nice plot deep lore nerd.
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>>121645182
>has lived so fucking long he has to actually delete personal memories that don't have anything to do with his mission

This is probably from the time when he got vaporized by Safeguard Cibo's attack. When he slowly regenerated I think it's implied that his old memories are being deleted.
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>>121645182
Its in the authors notes on one of his artbooks
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what was the prequel to blame?
i remember a short about a gril with a blade that the safeguards wield.
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>>121645182
He doesn't know that he's safeguard, and he was unable to understand his own optical technology for a long time, he doesn't have any concept of land or the Earth.
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>>121644744
>>121645078
>Has this changed
Not yet, but it will sooner or later.
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>>121643630
Perhaps you should actually read the manga before saying stupid shit.
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>>121645078
His art style was pretty dirty to start out with. They didn't get 'Sidonia' clean until, well, Sidonia.

Though quality does improve a lot over the series, that image is from the first chapter.
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>>121643600
He doesn't seem to react to any of it, we get glimpses of empathy but he doesn't suffer as much as Guts does.
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>>121646209
Awwww shit, when can I look forward to seeing this?

>>121646275
Yeah, that's what I mean. Sidonia's jaw-dropping aesthetics are wasted on Sidonia. I'm an animefag though so I've been holding off on reading more than the first few chapters until the next season finishes.
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>>121643600
>has to walk the whole fucking way back and pray to the silicon lords that this little shit doesn't get killed
If only. She can also get corrupted and then you can kiss your net gene bye bye.
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>>121644042

So? Only a retard would waste money on Tokyopop shit. Their work was terrible, good riddance.
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>>121644404
He spends 3000 years fighting exterminator class safeguards, giant monsters, Sanakan, psychic cyborgs, Silicon monsters then gets shot by a nobody near the end of the journey I feel bad for him.
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I really liked the manga, but I don't think Killy suffered as much as some other characters if you compare the BLAME! universe to a few others that contain suffering. Pretty much everyone in the manga is in a constant state of suffering, so I doubt Killy even thinks his suffering is actual suffering, at least until he has to kill that woman. Because up to that point everything was routine, walking all that distance, going up for as long as he can remember, the guy basically had no emotions since he had to delete those.
Though Guts is a fucking pussy and all the suffering was because of his own stupidity at doing anything.
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>>121646656
Didn't some anon a while back do the math and come out closer to 90,000 years? Basically how long it would take from him to walk from around earth to jupiter at a walking speed.
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>>121646040
That was NOiSE, anon. Sorry for the late reply.
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>>121647052
The result was "quite a while".
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>>121647064

thanks /a/non.
that ending was depressing.
after something like 300 years of fighting and seeing people gradually die out, i vaguely remember that she either lost or got assimilated.
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>implying he can even actually feel anything
>implying he's not just focused on his mission and pays no mind to the shit he has to go through, just accepting that he should deal with it
He's an immortal, advanced self-repairing sentient machine with the strongest weapon in the entire setting. He's not some weak human who goes buttmad just because he and the girl he loves got raped.
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>>121644553
Last enemy was the maximum level of the Safeguard's minions.
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>>121647296
I read NOiSE after BLAME! so it was awful because I knew that she wasn't going to win given the state of things in BLAME!.

Also, I forgot how cool the scenery porn is.
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I could never really understand what the fuck was going on in this manga.

Especially during action scenes I could hardly figure out who is who and is doing what
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>>121647052

earth to jupiter distance: 588 million km
avg walking speed: 5 km/h
so, 117.6 million hours
4.9 million days
13,415 years

that said, rapid transportation systems seem relatively common.
remember a scene where killy and cibo spent something like a month in a high speed elevator b/w layers.
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>>121643731
He levels up once near the beginning. When his eyes start working right again?
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>>121647520

Did you read Tokyopop's scans? That would certainly make things more difficult.
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>>121644744
Scans are fine. Don't try to read online - the art style doesn't deal well with compression.
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>>121647539
Realistically Killy shouldn't even be able to walk to the edge of the Dyson sphere, considering that the structure is constantly expanding due to builders, which I bet are working faster than his walking speed.
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>>121644247
>Killy spots an organic with weapons and instictively fires his GBE
>its Chirico, so it misses, hits a support beam and causes some layers of city above him to collapse, crushing Killy.
>By the time Killy regens and digs himself out Chirico is long gone.

No. Literally impossible
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>>121647645
oh haha what the fuck
I knew the tokyopop versions were bad, but that's just crazy.
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>>121647500

on the other hand, many people moved to different layers over the years in blame, so she must have won that last battle and later reunited with other people.
i tell myself that.
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>>121643600
I loved BLAME!

good manga, great scenery
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>>121647770
I hope she lived a happy life in one of the layers.
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>>121647673

the scale and timelessness in blame is amazing.
i can't think of any other series where thousand year time skips and rooms the size of planets feel so natural in the world.

i think the closest thing to blame in another media is a game called naissancee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DTjWX7rh4
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>>121647920

yes, like at a place like blame gakuen.
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>>121643859
They're actually worth money? I have the first volume somewhere on my bookshelf. Never cared to finish buying the rest after reading the whole series for the umpteenth time.
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>>121646209
Where did you get that?

The only raw I could find is this piece of shit.
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>>121647052
Not all of it was him walking, sometimes he used lifts, but then again sometimes he was climbing, which would take much longer
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>>121648649
I'm working on rescanlation, these are not some publicly available raws.
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>>121647645
I have physical copies, it's not as bad as the scan, you can make out the details but it's still pretty dark.
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>>121648873
I'm really excited. Can we expect a release in the near future?
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>>121649052
Well, I really hope to finish first volume by the end of next month, that's all I can say.
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>>121649274
Good enough for me! Looking forward to it!
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>>121649274
Godspeed anon.
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>>121648873
Oh so you scanlated it yourself or got them from someone else. That's cool, good luck with the project.

Go to /m/ if you will be in need for help, guys working on Sidonia will gladly help you if you have some problem with translation or just working with scans/typesetting.
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>>121649475
I'm the guy who works on Sidonia, though.
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>>121649274
You're doing god's work.
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>>121649512
Hilarious turn of events.
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>>121643600
Just read up the wiki article. How have i not heard of this manga before? It sounds fucking awesome.
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Maybe from our perspective. But I don't think Killy sees what happens to him as suffering. It's not in his programming to think about it that way.
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>>121643600

Is this by the same guy who did Abara?
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>>121650065
Yes. But Abara is tpretty bad compared to Blame.
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>>121649512
Hahaha, sorry my bad.

I wasn't coming to /m/ so often lately and probably missed lots of things.

Thanks for Sidonia too, great job.
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>>121650131
Abara is not bad.
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>>121643600
It has been quite a while since I've read Blame!, but I don't remember it being mentioned that he had to delete his memories.

Maybe I should re-read it someday.
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>>121651163
It's never mentioned (nothing really is in this series thought), but it can be implied/interpreted from one of the scenes >>121645354 I don't read it that way though.
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>>121643600
>There is not a single protagonists that has suffered as much as Killy from BLAME!

alucard
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>>121648802
Not to mention he fell a couple of times and got trapped in a couple of places.
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>>121650131
Abara is alright. Not as good as Biomega though.
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>>121651890
Digimortal>Abara>Biomega.
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>>121652005
Hmm, it's opposite for me.
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Hey, anyone have the link to that BLAME! walking simulator that guy was working on?
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>>121652302
that sound awesome, seconded.
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Anyone have more info on the Blame! adaption tied in to the Sidonia no Kishi anime? It looks pretty obvious that it's just going to be a fucking awesome filler episode, but maybe there's a chance it could finally get its own series? Even so, we'll never get a series animated on the same level as the promo shorts. That style fit Blame! perfectly.
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>>121652721
>it could finally get its own series
Here we fucking go again.
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>>121652721
I got the impression that it was gonna be like a couple minute shorts put at the end of each episode.
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>>121652779
The dream never fully dies, man.
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>>121652721
PV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj_fop8eYHA
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>>121652721
>>121652817
It's an in-universe movie that will be shown during episode ep of Sidonia S2. No idea how long it will be though.
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>>121652892
>episode ep
fuck, I meant episode 8.
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>>121652861
The dream was stillborn.
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I don't remember half the shit people are mentioning here, fuck. What are the Safeguards anyways? What were the silicon creatures, what were they both after anyways, who was the bad guy on the fucking story anyways, just about anyone was shooting Killy down so you never really know.
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>>121652302
>>121652425
NaissanceE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DTjWX7rh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5zri5TmPU
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>>121653134
Nah it's not NaissancE though I had a lot of fun playing that.

I think he posts on the amateur game dev thread on /vg/ every now and then.,
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>>121649274
Will you be releasing the raws alongside the scanlation? Keep in mind that I'll cry if you don't.
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The Safeguard started out as the internet's security system that prevented illegal access. Silicon creatures were anarchists that caused the expansion of the City and corrupted the Safeguards' programming to 'kill all humans.' There really isn't any 'bad guy' in the story.
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>>121653344
Meant to reply to
>>121653082
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>>121653082
Basically the governors are the admins, who lost control over the safeguards which are the mods. The silicon creatures are shitposters. Humans are regular anons. Blame is actually a story about 4chan.
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>>121644404
>>121646656
I was planning on reading this but that's how it ends? He gets shot and killed just like that?
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>>121652302
>>121652425
bac9 dot tumblr dot com
I read some his posts on /vg/ and it seems like development has stalled, but he hopes to continue in May.
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>>121653820
No, read it.
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>>121647052

Considering the size of The City, any estimate is really a crap shoot. Got to admit though, I'd love the gun.
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>>121653854
Holy shit, it's everything I could have wanted in a BLAME! game.

Hope the guy is able to finish it.
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>>121654009

Sorry anon, but there is not enough mass in the whole of Sol's system, including the Oort Cloud to create something that large.
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>>121654200
They learned how to perfectly convert energy to mass.
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>>121653854
>bac9 dot tumblr dot com
Thanks
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>>121654009
Where did they get all the metal to build the megastructure?
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>>121654200
I remember someone saying that they used Toha Heavy Industry's teleportation technology to transport material from outside the solar system.
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>>121654480
Couldn't Toha warp to alternate dimensions? Maybe they just grabbed material from them.
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>>121654181
Id transfer some shekels for that.
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>>121654181

that looks amazing.
at least it won't be a short game.
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>>121654480
What about the insanely high gravity? The higher Killy goes up, the more gravity increases.
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Did anyone else ever buy the Killy and Sanakan figurines that came with the Blame! Movie teaser dvd? I still haven't opened these, and I'm glad to have any merchandise from the series. Camera flash obscures them, but you get the idea.
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>>121654803
theres anti grav generators sprinkled around the city, the way killy's gun works is by neutralizing that field around the bullet thus crushing the target under the immense gravity
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>>121643859
>>121643946
I found it for 70 dollars, I am now at peace.
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>>121647434

Pretty much this. There are other iterations of the GBE, but the one he has has no equal in the entire BLAME! universe. Worse yet, it's a weapon he found at some point in his travels, and was not something presented to him.

Which is really scary, considering that all GBEs that we know of otherwise, originate from the NetSphere. This either means someone illegally downloaded the data and then managed to survive a safeguard wrath, or the fucking City through it's crazy physics, space-time mechanics, and expansion, managed to naturally produce one that just happened to end up being between Killy and his goal.

Either way, it really is the strongest weapon in all existence, within the BLAME! setting.
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>>121654954

My understanding was that it shoots something like a black hole beam.
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>>121646656
>A nobody at the end.
>Implying it's not the same model of cyborg as him.
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>>121655101
well that's how I interpreted it anyway
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>>121654009

imagine the amount of gravity from so much mass.
the megastructure layers have to be impossibly strong just to keep it from imploding.
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>>121654480
That or some dark matter shenanigan
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Aren't some new Nihei figs coming out this year? I heard talk of some thing getting shown off at wonderfest.
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>>121654181
I'll sacrifice a goat to see that come out.
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>>121655443

long climbs are fine.
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>>121655390
Just Gauna Hoshijiro figs I think. There's a Tsumugi figure but it's a GK.
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>>121655079

As it has often been said on /k/'s fictional weapons threads...

The glory of the Macross/Yamato Cannon's in the portability of a Walther PPk.
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>>121654954
>theres anti grav generators sprinkled around the city

I don't remember reading about that.
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>>121655909
Exactly.
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>>121655079
>the fucking City through it's crazy physics, space-time mechanics, and expansion, managed to naturally produce one that just happened to end up being between Killy and his goal.

This like the randomly spawned items in rogue-like games.
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>>121653212

I imagine his scans are something like 7000px and uncleaned, what use could you have for them?
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>>121655859
I imagine that if a normal human uses the GBE his entire body would be ripped apart by the recoil.
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>>121655859

The beauty of the GBE, at least Killy's, has to be the fact that it's such a simple design for something so utterly broken.

>>121654954

There's no such thing as anti-gravity reactors sprinkled around the city. It's a dyson sphere the size of a solar system with interconnecting structures and other mass stored here and there. It effectively has enough mass to generate it's own natural 1G gravity.

The only thing that exists in the city, however, is the Gravity Furnace, which has been speculated as being one of the core sources of the vast amount of energies required to facilitate the pure chaotic and rampant growth of The City. Especially given that it's effectively able to create multi-dimensional realities, where even scarier the fact that--there exists another City and equally large BLAME! verse.

The arc involving the gravity furnace is the closest we've gotten to a confirmation that the event that causes The City and it's existence + expansion is something that affects more than one reality. And to be specific, we're ignoring the base reality/net reality terminology used by safeguards who exists within the netsphere when they talk to Sanakan on the final communication, letting her know that if she dies this time around; there's no recovery.
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>>121656034

Tell me anon. What does it say on the caption on the pipe on Killy's side of the cover?
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Do we know anything about Killy's peers?

There's a brief flashback of him standing alongside a few other pre-Safeguards.
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>>121656278
One of them is Sanakan, who knows about the other one.
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I'm up to chapter 52, nearing the end. Is virtually nothing explained, if it isn't where do you guys get all this information from? Like from the authors twitter or artbooks or something?
I honestly sort of prefer it that low-key way, it makes it seem very surreal.
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>>121656278

It's implied that a total of three pre-safeguards were sent out into The City to find someone who had Net Terminal Genes.

Given that the city expanded with reckless abandon and the builders never stopped, it's safe to assume that the other two pre-safeguard agents were unsuccessful in finding someone with Net Terminal Genes.

The focus instead is on Killy's story, and arguably much of his success can be attributed to the fact that he has a GBE.

>>121656340

No it's not, don't make shit up.
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>>121654009
Shit in my head it was like that but only covering the earth, when did they mention it being that big or any hints towards that size? From NOiSE all I got is that the managed to conect the megastructure to the moon at some point that's why I never imagined it going further.
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>>121656360

BLAME! is kinda like fine wine. The more it ages (the more times you read it), the better it gets.

That said, you should definitely read some of the prequels/stand-alone stories, and the single-chapter sequel that went nowhere if you feel a little lost.
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>>121656360
Read Noise after Blame. It explains quite a bit.
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>>121656143

>yfw you realize the whole manga is named off the guns sound effect.
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>>121656412

In NOiSE, the expansion had reached the moon. In BLAME! one of the chapters has Killy enter a cavernous space, where a silicon creature states the space is some few ten thousand kilometers in diameter. People did a look up of planetary bodies and found that Jupiter's diameter is the closest matching of the number, plus minus a few hundred kilometers.

Thereby, it's speculated that the room contained Jupiter at one point. Plus it's also noted said space contained the materials for a large chunk of The City's growth during a particular expansion period, because the silicon creature in question has been in observation for a millennia or more.

>>121656360
>>121656453

Though it may plant the idea that Killy was originally a chick in your head; take that however you will.
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Tried to read this a while ago and dropped it. Giving it another shot now, looks pretty cool.
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>>121656685
I dropped it for a bit but I came back to it when I realized it's more for looking at then getting a coherent story or narrative. I love it now.
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>>121656685

BLAME! can be confusing because until nearly the end of first volume, there's no story. Nihei is still world building and thus has no direction, so it may get muddled.

But if you stick with it, it pays off; and the discussions are always interesting.
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>>121656557
>Though it may plant the idea that Killy was originally a chick in your head; take that however you will.

But in NOiSE there's a picture of young Killy on a poster of missing children.
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>>121656360
A lot of the explanations for plot-unimportant stuff, like how the GBE works, come from stuff Nihei wrote in the BLAME! And So On artbook.

Here's a translation:
http://www.randomisgod.com/blame/btranslation.html
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>>121656847

That's Nihei's sameface art, not Killy. His earlier work had a lot of sameface.
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>>121656893
NOiSE is one of his later works.
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>>121656278
>>121656340

Anyone care explaining this to me? What is Killy's background, I thought he was a reprogrammed silicon creature or something. What are the same-face robots anyways, safe guards or are those the silicon ones...
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>>121656372
Sanakan is a pre-Safeguard model in the same way Killy is, this is extremely obvious from the Noise manga
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>>121656997

See: >>121656372
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>>121656997
>I thought he was a reprogrammed silicon creature or something.
Did you even read the manga?
>What are the same-face robots anyways, safe guards or are those the silicon ones...
Read the thread.
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>>121655930
???
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>>121657044

Except the chick in NOiSE and Sanakan are unrelated.
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>>121656372
>>121657060

Yeah but what I don't get is what does it mean about "pre-safeguard"? Why pre, and if Sanakan was supposed to be one of those 2 peers, what happened to her that changed her around or whatever?
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>>121643600
>has to walk the whole fucking way back and pray to the silicon lords that this little shit doesn't get killed
I don't remember this. Didn't he stay there for all eternity protecting the new race? Hell he was at the fucking gates when millions of years later after the delivery of the child a silicon being finally wised up to want to go outside.
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>>121656997

There's speculation.

From what I've read, I'm guessing he's a human who was converted into an autonomous prototype safeguard by the Authority as a backup plan in case things went south and they lost control (which they did). The one authority guy says he's part of a "pre-safeguard system" yet we know that he has safeguard functions like the ability to scan for net genes.

My headcanon is that he was a kid who was abducted and turned into a safeguard once silicon life started showing up.
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>>121657124
"proto-safeguard" just means that they were created before the system of safeguards were set up. As for why people think Sanakan is one, it's before she knows Killy before their first encounter in the manga, so it's possible that they worked together in the past.
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>>121657124
>Why pre, and if Sanakan was supposed to be one of those 2 peers, what happened to her that changed her around or whatever?

Sanakan wasn't one of his peers. She was just a high ranking safeguard that the Authority finally got control over later on in the manga.

We don't know anything concrete about Killy's peers from the flashback. They probably died.
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>>121657078
jee, sorry for not remembering shit about an extremely confusing manga I read long ago.
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>>121657350
>They probably died.
I'm 100% guarantee they dead. The badasses they took him down in the first place and the geniuses that reprogrammed him.
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>>121656557
no, musubi is not killy
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some of the plot confusion would have been avoided if nihei was better at drawing distinct characters.
too much sameface in dark attire.
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Are Biomega, nOISE, and Blame! in the same universe? been along time since i read them, i want to re-read them in a chronological order if there's one.
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>>121659096
nOISE > BLAME! > BLAME 2 or whatever that one shot is called.

Biomega is not related.
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>>121659096

Nihei reuses a lot of the technology and agencies/names he established in BLAME! across many of his other works.

TOHA HEAVY INDUSTRIES, shows up in just about everyone one of his works except Abarra and his stand alone one shots. On a related note, the name is always caps in all it's appearances, even on t-shirts that got sold.
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>>121647449
The fuck? No. It was silicon-creature-controlled. Sanakan herself is a safeguard.
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>>121657090
u wot
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>>121659803

They are. There's no connection; nada, nothing, zip, zero.
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>>121659566
It's an exterminator, which are part of the safeguards.

It was trying to destroy Cibo because of page-related.
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>>121659566
>sillicon creature.
>Looks like a bald version of Killy with the safeguard logo on it's head.

It was another Killy type. Did you guys not notice it had the exact same gun as him.
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>>121659983
Wait, we are talking about this guy right?
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>>121659983
>>121659903
ah, my bad
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>>121659896
Even if Musubi isn't Sanakan, isn't it highly likely that she's one of the old safeguard units shown in Killy's flashback?
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Nice to see a Blame thread, I absolutely loved this manga. The atmosphere and designs have no rival. I also loved the strange way of conveying its story through minimal dialog or no dialog at all.
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>>121660212

Unlikely. The Net Sphere AND the safeguard system in place to protect it, all know of Killy. The Net Sphere needs him, the corrupted Safe Guard system deems him a threat.

Sanakan knowing of Killy before her first introduction, isn't a reliable enough source, to say that she's related to the other two figures in his backup memory during reconstruction post level 9 safeguard attack.

Also, there's two variations of Sanakan which makes the entire situation equivalent of an unreliable narrator. Firstly, is the Sanakan who wanted to kill everybody, including Killy. The second is the case where Sanakan protected Cibo and even Killy, regardless of the status of the Net Terminal embyro. Similar goals, certainly; but she could have easily killed Killy and taken Cibo somewhere safe. She doesn't.

Of course, this is all somewhat unrelated technically, but I'm relating it on the basis that a single bit of data isn't sufficient to draw such a conclusion. Either it needs to be explicitly stated or there needs to be enough grounds for an inference, anything less isn't acceptable; not in BLAME!-verse.

That universe is too god damn big for half-assed guesses.
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>>121660090

No. That, anon, is an Exterminator; First Class. Written exactly like that.

It's incredibly powerful, but definitely nowhere close to a level 9.

The Safeguard the other anon is talking about, is the one that shows up in the 2nd to last chapter. The only similarities are that the safeguard symbol is very easy to spot. It's an upside down spaced cross.
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>>121660449
No, no, I meant Musubi being the one in Killy's memories.
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>>121660449
>Firstly, is the Sanakan who wanted to kill everybody, including Killy. The second is the case where Sanakan protected Cibo and even Killy

Isn't that because in her first appearance she was a part of the safeguards but then the governors took control of her?
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>>121650065
and Noise i believe
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This manga was shit

There is hardly a plot, and the fight scenes are just scribbles that are impossible to follow
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>all this confusion and discussion of the plot

Ah, one of those series. I look forward to reading it. I'll just wait on the HQ scanlation.
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>>121660555

Nice trips. I must have missed that page, can you source?
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>>121660850
Killy's memories are here >>121645354
There's nothing concrete, but it's been long speculated that Killy himself was an agent of the governing agency or safeguard that long predates the events of blame.

Musubi herself predated the whole thing, and she signed onto being a safeguard.
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>>121659983
why is his gun so weak?
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>>121660952
I think he figured it wouldn't take much to blow a hole in a mere human's head.

Technically he was right
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>>121660928

>signed onto being a safeguard

No, that's not right. She didn't have much of a choice. They basically told her that they were going to memory wipe and train her to become an agent. But that she'd at least have a choice before that happened on whether she wanted to go back to being a head on a pike outside or become something better.

It was inevitable for her to become Safeguard anyway, just that the notion of choice was presented. All that said, Killy's memories of the three seems to be after a considerable amount of time compared to where The City was with respect to Earth & Moon for Musubi's timeline.
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>>121653820
No.
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>>121660952

Because producing a GBE that could be a threat to Killy is kind of a problem. Killy in those chapters, was basically at the edge of the Dyson structure. The conversion towers and the hardware of the megastructure in those regions probably wasn't sufficient in allowing for the creation of a GBE that would be a threat to Killy. Plus, if there's one thing that's glaringly obvious in BLAME!-verse, size has no bearing on power.

That teeny little gun, blew a hole through Killy's head. The only issue here is that the safeguard assumed that doing so would be enough to stop Killy. Plus because Killy is an entity that rejected Safeguard registration, THOUGH they know of him; they have none of his records and therefore only know of his capabilities through the destruction he leaves behind and the rare points where the safeguard he meets/governing agency he agents he comes across.

>>121653820

If we told you, there would be no point in you reading it; go read it.
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>>121654181
Problem is, only walking.

Don't get me wrong, shit is impressive, but it would be way more fun if you were having to defend yourself from safeguard and the like.

Would make for the ultimate SciFi rogue.
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>>121654462
If I remember right, it was basically something to the point of advanced cybermancy magic where they could literally materialize shit from nothing or dark matter and shit.
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Why was Killy the one immortalized in the history of Silicon Life? Doesn't Sanakan kill a fuckload more of them when she tries to get Cibo back?
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>>121661322
Well, Killy did kill their Messiah or whatever.
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>>121661236

The issue with that is two part.

1. You'd have to come up with a procedural system for creation of life in BLAME!-verse with a myriad of complex powers that you'd have to defend yourself from.

2. A weapon system that would allow you to defend yourself from these creatures. Most of the weapons in BLAME!-verse are within the scope of a general use. There's machine guns, rocket launchers, pistols; etc. The issue, again, arises with the GBE. If you have a weapon system, at some point the GBE needs to exist. If the GBE exists, it needs a use. If it has a use, you now have to program procedural deformation of materials into the engine for the entire game.

This creates the other issue, the 70km holes the LOWEST setting leaves behind. Level 2 and 3, leave much larger, much longer, far more destructive holes.

Level 4 is fucking broken beyond belief.

LEVEL 4 EXTRA is you literally having a supernova blow-torch as a penis waving it all around like a giddy little school kid. It's not that it cannot be done, but that your computer would probably crash trying to compute all the physics and deformation/explosion/damage that would result of you having a shit eating grin with a LEVEL 4 EXTRA GBE in hand.

That said, I still want it to happen.

>>121661322

Silicon Life have been around since the events of NOiSE. Killy came some time after NOiSE, but has been around for at least one to two thousand years before Sanakan ever touched foot in base reality.

He's got a MUCH MUCH bigger track record of fighting with Silicon life, and most of it, likely without having a GBE. After he got one, he became The Calamity.
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I don't understand why Killy was still being hunted at the edge of the city. The directive given to the safeguards was to destroy Cibo - she was destroyed.

The Safeguard units at the edge of the city seemed to be fully sentient just as Killy or Dhomochevsky. Why did they continue to hunt him down?

And why wasn't killy's lost leg regenerating?
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>>121661548

Because of the idea that the embryo may contain information, in it's genes, about the level 9 safeguard. Since net terminal genes are well, GENES, which can interface with the core of the Net Sphere that even those within the net sphere can no longer access; same way.

Killy's lost leg wasn't regenerating, because he was tired as fuck. Completely drained of almost all but his reserve energy stored inside. It's like being pushed to your physical limits, then being pushed 10x even further than that, and then being forced a 100x even further than that.

The dude was utterly exhausted, he couldn't regenerate.
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Was he wrong /a/?
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>>121661699
>he
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>>121661663
I thought he pulled energy from the shit around him like that super cyborg
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>>121661780
He was clearly a dude when we got to see his human projection inside the Net Sphere.
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>>121661886
Guess you didn't read Blame Gakuen
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>>121661931
I did not.
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>>121661886
davine used seu's genetic data or whatever
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Man, what the fuck is silicon life anyway, and what do they want with the net?
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>>121662110
They are cyborgs that want complete domination and wipe out everything that isn't Silicon Life.
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>>121661809

Only to access level 4 and level 4 extra for the GBE. He still needs to eat, drink. What he eats is specific type of energy supplements that his body can process and convert into high energy equivalent for storage. Water is probably necessary for the breakdown of oxygen/hydrogen again for use. Also possible that he likes water too.

He's been around for so long, he's forgotten most of everything.
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>>121661886
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>>121662110
Net criminals that were so butthurt over a forgotten injustice or whatever that they don't know anything else but anger at anything that isn't themselves.
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>>121662319
Why does this excite me?
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>>121662485

Wait till you get to Moe Cibo with the violent retribution for accidental infringement trope.
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Is there ever going to be any continuation?
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>>121662611
it doesn't need to be continued
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>>121662611

It got two sequels. It's enough, there's no more a story to tell.
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prototype of tsundroid
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>>121662725
Speak for yourself man. That universe is so large and has such a great lore, there could be all sorts of stories that could come from it.

>>121662772
I wouldn't really count either of those as true sequels. One was a spinoff, and the other never made it past the one chapter.


Also, have we ever had any confirmation on whether or not Biomega takes place in the same universe or not? I mean TOA Heavy Industries is in both so...

Depending, you could make the argument that, that is a sequel.
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>>121662954
better spoil it
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>>121662985
>whether or not Biomega takes place in the same universe or not?
it doesn't, same as Sidonia
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>>121643946
I have volumes 1 and 2 in English (Tokyopop) and volumes 3, 7, 9, and 10 in Spanish. I will finish my Tokyopop release collection even if it costs me way too much of a full paycheck once I get a decent job. I just hope there are copies available in a couple of years.
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>>121649517
He's doing the Authority's work.
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>>121649791
I marathoned the entire thing in like a single sitting once I found out about it. Then I read it again.
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>>121643600
What about Kei from gantz
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>>121661504
Anon, you're giving me a boner here. You better take responsibility!
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he's gonna be ok right?
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>>121659517
THI can time travel and travel between universes so I think there may be a connection between some of them across series. THI in Sidonia is just developing a GBE and their robotics are not that advanced. In Biomega, they are very advanced in their robotics but no GBE, or at least they didn't want one being used on Earth. Maybe their personal timeline goes something like Sidonia -> Biomega -> Blame.
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I want to know Nihei's story, going from an architect with a robot fetish to a successful mangaka with a robot fetish.
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>>121654462
They took apart every planet and asteroid in the solar system, and they have really advanced nanotech so they can build whatever they want.
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>>121654927
I need to know where you live so I can rob you.
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>>121664430
it's beyond that. they have structural conversion towers that can convert energy into matter.
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>>121664457
They are of really low quality though, if I remember correctly.
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>>121655079
I don't remember anyone in the manga saying he just found it. Killy is asked once about the gun and he says he doesn't know anything about it, but that's because he's been erasing his memories due to running out of space in his head. He is an agent of the Authority, it makes perfect sense for the gun to have been given to him way back when he started and the Authority could make stuff at will. He erased the memories of that event but left the prime directive of "Not Losing the Gun" which is why he always makes it a point to retrieve it. I don't know where you got that he picked it up somewhere.
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>>121656143
There may be a point in the Dyson sphere where the gravity is 1G, but for it to be uniformly 1G everywhere along its depth, it would really only make sense for anti-gravity to be at work. They have the technology because THI was using it, so its easy enough to assume that they use it to keep the city together.
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>>121656557
It was in the hundreds of thousands of kilometers.
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I just re-read Biomega.

What the fuck happened to the two Mizunoes? Kahdal/Kardal? Where did Higaide go after rescuing his waifu?
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