DJT Daily Japanese Thread #985

やめましょう、やっぱり日本語は無理です

>>121636506
>I don't have the original picture
Good to see a new kind of cancer is developing (reemerging?) just in time for 1000.

>>121636958
I just didnt start making threads until recently.

>>121636958
自閉症

Nice. I've been working on my Kanji, Vocab and grammar, but I've been told that I shouldn't be working on Vocab until I at least 500+ Kanji under my belt. Should I stop doing Core2k (What I use for Vocab) until I get more Kanji? Core2K is pretty fun to learn but if it'll be too much than I'll stop.

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>>121637262
It really isn't autism at all. We have a set image which tells people exactly what is in the thread. Not only that, whoever made the thread once again fucked up the link AND fucked up the thread number.

Previous Thread:
https://archive.moe/a/thread/121576357/#q121576357

To quote someone else who covered this pretty well already: https://archive.moe/a/thread/121576357/#q121577499

>>121637889
>Core2K is pretty fun to learn
Keep using it till it stops being fun. Enjoying learning is best learning.

>>121638198
I'd like to continue, but the reason the guy told me I should wait is that it might be too overwhelming to do it all and I wouldn't be able to apply what I learn straight away, and so it would deduct from the experience of learning Kanji and grammar.

>>121636506
Last thread was #985.
グラウンドホッグデーみたいに

>>121638454
>but the reason the guy told me I should wait is that it might be too overwhelming
The guy has no idea what overwhelming is for you. If you are enjoying yourself with it there is little reason to stop.

Why can't you continue with core2k while learning kanji and grammar? 両方だよ

>>121638454
If you have time do it, otherwise make some compromise this isn't rocket science.

>>121638616
Alright, I'll continue and if it does get overwhelming I'll just apologise to him for not listening soon enough and if so I'll find alternatives.

>>121637109
I don't care about the standard OP image, but how difficult is to link to the fucking archive?

>>121638116
I just fucked up brah.
It isn't cancer and I didn't have the original OP image because nobody has been using for it a while.
Chill out

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>>121638739
Don't go apologising to anons. Half the time they are mindlessly repeating things they've read and most of the rest of the time they are talking about things they haven't experienced.

Want some real advice? The people who really know their shit about Japanese are the ones too busy learning to tell other people how to learn. You don't owe shit to anyone.

Except 夏奈

>>121638959
>It isn't cancer and I didn't have the original OP image because nobody has been using for it a while.
Look at the fucking archive.
https://archive.moe/a/search/subject/djt/

>Chill out
Fuck you. You fucked up due to being lazy. Accept the criticism and get over your ego. This is where you apologize, suck it up, and make sure not to fuck up again.

The worst people are the ones who decide to take action while not being able to handle getting told off when they screw up because these are the people who are too egotistical to learn from it.

Do you know how someone like whelpくん manages this incredible amound of cards each day?
I need 3 hours for about 60 new cards+reviews of core 6k. Did he ever tell his way of studying the new cards? Or did he do rtk/kd first.
Im a kind of jealous type you know..

>>121639308
I am doing 40 new per day with core2k6k optimized and it takes me 1 hour if I go fast, 1 and a half otherwise. You should be able to do it in 2 hours I think.

I have done RTK though and it helps a lot.

I don't really know that much about Japan- would software developers there who know English be in special demand?

Is there something like Rikai-kun that will let me scan kanji that aren't text, and it will tell me what they are?

>>121639674
Your eyes.

Or on-screen-recognition. Check the guide.

Back in time for a fucked up OP.

Thanks, OP. Do better next time.

>>121639308
I did 800 In 110 yesterday, with breaks in between.
Not totally compareable but well.

なお、転落の際、周囲に人影はなく

I'm confused about the 人影はなく here, is it just saying there was no one around or is it a phrasing of some sort, but the thing is after this line theres another that has a testimony from someone, so does that mean 人影はなく just means there wasn't a lot of people around or does it implicitly mean there was NO ONE there?

>>121639308
He's a prodigy and he'll make the same amount of progress in 1 month you'll make in 6. You'll just have to deal with it.

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エスデス様はかかとが舐めたい

>>121640258
>"is Jesus"
Who

The funny thing is nobody would have complained about the OP if he didn't put that first line in.

Well, except for the one dude who actually cares about the numbering

>>121640437
At least two, because I also care. It's how I calculate my time.

>>121640437
I would still have complained about him fucking up the archive link.

>>121640437
Except I have complained about it in threads even where OP not using the correct image wasn't admitted by him.

値してDJTにはボクが正義の味方だ。

あたしのペニスしゃぶりてください

>>121640437
Well, that not true. People getting upset about the OP fucking up/posting anything else than the OP picture has been a perennial theme here. Well, not so much the OP picture maybe, as that has been a constant since that guy stopped posting kanji information

>>121641037
Usually it's because they forget the subject field and nobody can Ctrl-f for the thread. That's actually a problem.

IS maplestory good for learning Japanese?

>>121641007
>しゃぶりて

何？

>>121641187
The more fantasy the game the more fantasy terms you'll encounter, at best you'll get a lot of katakana exposure. If you want more general Japanese I'd recommend something more SoL-y.

>>121641187
No. Too little text/time ratio.

Has anyone tried Wanikani? I have an account I can use, but I'm not sure if it's just a paid Anki, in that case I guess using both would be a bit pointless.

>>121639940
show me original article

>>121641318
>but I'm not sure if it's just a paid Anki

Yes, and also time restricted. Look up wanikani in the archive for past discussions.

>>121641094
Still, there's value in being strict about these things. OP sets the tone for the rest of the thread, and if people decide that they're special snowflakes and start using the OP as an outlet for their own attention needs then I don't doubt that before long we'll crumble into being no better than /vg/ generals. Which would be sad considering how long these threads have managed to keep some a semblance of composure

500 kanji in and it still feels like I literally learned nothing. This is no fun

>>121641037
when was the time that guy stopped posting kanji information? or about which # of djt

>>121641422
because kanji themselves are meaningless

>>121641422
I'm close to 2000 kanji and over 6000 words and I'm still pretty shit. Get used to it.

>>121639308
Look through the archives. whelpくん has gone into a fair amount of detail going into exactly how he reviews, what his plans are with it, the card format, exactly what is tested, the statistics for each day, etc. Excessively. You could probably go back through the archives the past two weeks and use all the data posted and make a scientific report about it.

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>>121639308
I did that for a while - doing all my cards plus 30 new each day until it started ranking up 2 hours and i felt the burn. I haven't gone crazy with reps for about a week and have just been reading and getting better at vocab. I realized that i dont just forget everything just like that if ive truly learned it.

>>121641224
それさへもわかるないのか？
もっと融通利けるよおになれ

>>121638116
You are seriously autistic. Anyone looking for djt searches for it.

>>121641462
I don't recall. Maybe 2 years ago? Some time after that there was a period where a kind anon posted almost all threads, and on time, but unfortunately he didn't respond well when people complained that he'd been fucking up the OP a lot lately and stopped/left. That's when this last period of epic OPs began

>>121641417
>Which would be sad considering how long these threads have managed to keep some a semblance of composure
cute

>>121641590
There was also a while when we didn't have a thread up 24/7

>>121641422
I'm at 120 and I feel like I've learned an absolute ton of stuff so far. But that's because I already had a decent vocab from watching animu for over a decade.

Are you using RTK or something? Because I did that for a while last year and realised all the knowledge didn't mean shit because I couldn't read anything.

>>121641496
Reading is for adapting to meaning; reviewing is for planting seeds and watering.

>>121641539
>Anyone looking for djt searches for it.
Non sequitor. People who don't know about DJT do not know where to look. How do you think I found these threads? By noticing the OP image in the archive.

That's the point of the OP image: to attract attention and communicate relevant information as to the nature of the thread. This may be 4chan but we don't have to all act like children. A bit of rationality and management goes a long way.

>>121641603
You say that, but we've been blessed in that regard in comparison to a lot of other long-running threads. On top of that we've had no tripfags either.

>>121641500
君、キーボードが壊れているの？

言いたい事は分かるけど、綴りと文法が違っているんだ

>>121641643
Yes, I think that was after the anon I referred to left. Well, maybe he's still here, but he seems to have stopped posting threads at least

>>121641665
People who don't know about DJT are directed here the second they ask "how do I learn Japanese" on pretty much any board.

The OP image isn't even a tenth as important as the links and subject.

>>121641677
>On top of that we've had no tripfags either.

That's actually pretty amazing.

Perhaps that says something about the type of person you need to be to become a tripfag.

日本です。あの、イギリス姉さま、見ませんでした？

>>121641777
Well, everyone makes mistakes, and people in this thread are particularly viscous, so unless you were kanken-1 above-native tier you'd probably have a hard time getting by in this thread

>>121641660
Well my vocab is decent as well but even with 500 kanji I can still only read the total babby stuff. Being able to read basic stuff is nice at first but it feels like progress almost came to a halt after that.
When I check japanese news sites etc and I can read almost nothing of it then it really feels like I've learned shit

>>121641888
Has anyone here passed kanken-1? Or at least attempted any level of kanken?

I asked Moogy on his ask.fm once and he claimed he'd be able to take on kanken-1 vocabulary wise, though he can't write for shit.

>>121642074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxsOOt248bU

>>121642074
Moogy-dono can't into Japanese.

You know before learning Japanese I never questioned what here, there, the, and all of that actually meant

>Circling my remote control like a pilot would do, a feeling grips my penis, thrashing it violently.
>Shyown shyown... Nyyyaarrowwn

Even if I still suck at translationg, VNs are becoming a whole lot funner to read.

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>>121639168
>Chill out
>Fuck you.
For some reason I couldn't stop laughing after reading this conversation.

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>>121642211
50 fucking times.

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>>121638116
>https://archive.moe/a/thread/121576357/#q121576357
Thanks for the archive link.

>>121636506
This is for anon in the last thread:
https://archive.moe/a/thread/121576357/#q121623020
Raws are in two different versions.

This one is slightly cleaner than the other version. Normal resolution but much lower compared to the second version, which is rather high res.
夏子の酒　(低解像度)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!1Qp0WLIA!epNejC_pwQLha7XFcFGc2Q

High res version (this is still uploading at the moment. You can download the volumes as they upload but it might take another hour and a half, two hours to upload all volumes):
夏子の酒　(高解像度)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!xRAVTQ5Q!2faj0yd-UK28-6Bjjo-yhQ

Sent and explained the links to the owner of the CoR's email. No response yet.

>>121642211
His wife looks old as fuck.

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>/jp/

>>121642808
There are supposed to be 2 >>. Newfag pretending to be oldfag.

So I don't understand, should I just use the deck in the Anki setup guide or is there another deck (for kanji or whatever) that I should use?

>>121642873
Try to think independently.

>>121642838
The irony.

>>121642769
Japanese women somewhere around the age of 30 go to sleep one night looking like 15 years olds, and wake up in the morning looking like 50 years olds.

>>121642913
There's no irony.
The usual post was >>/jp/.

>>121641771
>People who don't know about DJT are directed here the second they ask "how do I learn Japanese" on pretty much any board.

Not in my experience. Regardless, it is pretty stupid to further obfuscate the thread any more than it already is.

>>121642211
>6000+ kanji for kanken 1kyuu
Yeah, that's another thing that I'll never achieve in life (not that I would try, it's enough for me to read my Chinese porn games in peace)

>>121642634
Authentic Asian education.

I find the japanese TTS voice from google very useful. Is there something like that for windows?

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>arguing about meta /djt/ instead of studying Japanese

>>121643182
There's only so much you can learn in a day until you get bored. No need to burn yourself out.

>>121643080
The Misaki voice for NeoSpeech TTS isn't that bad. From what I've heard when she is on, which is about 90% of the time, it sounds native like. The program sometimes messes up pitch accent though, taking into account that 10% when it comes across like a machine.

http://www.neospeech.com/
There are probably a few torrents for it out there.

>>121643182
>commenting and trying to ridicule people for arguing about meta /djt/ instead of studying Japanese
Yellow brick road all the way to Narnia.

>>121643053
Even Hanahira has more than 10,000 kanji.

>仲良くなるくらいなんだっての！！人生なめんなー！
What function does なんだっての serve in this sentence?

>>121642634
I can only make out 鹵　and 麩. What's the rest?

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>>121642725
Thanks a heap. I've been trying to download it from perfect dark after reading about it in the last thread without getting anywhere. Not that anon but you saved me a lot of time.
Even if the rest of the thread goes to shit this has made it good overall.

>>121642725
That was me. Thanks for taking the time, anonbro

>>121643331
It means what the hell and is referring to the first part.

>>121643426
don't care it seriously
though i'm native speaker, I've never seen some of them

>>121643661
ブルシット

>>121643331
なんだ is なのだ that tae kim explains. って is a quoting particle that in this case serves as an abbreviation for って言ってるの and emphasizes what comes before it. の is emotional emphasis.

>そりゃあらしくない顔にもなるぜ
What the fuck is this even.

>エクスポーション
>エクス

All that for the letter x

>>121644074
Bakemonogatari. All that for 化物語.

>>121644074
Two letters. It's written as "ex" in English.

>>121643331
>>121643869
のだ
DoBJG, page 325-327
たって・だって
DoBJG, page 461-463

Relying on Tae Kim is short changing yourself.

>>121644154
Alright now actually write that kanji

>>121644161
Are you retarded?

I've been here for 2 years doing kanji reps every single day and I still don't know this shitty language help.

>>121643740
> kanten 1 material covers ~6000 kanji
> Average Japanese knows ~3000 kanji

>>121644268
How meuch do you read?

>>121644229
That is not that だって/たって

>>121644301
I don't

>>121644268
Can you at least identify each of those >>121642634 ?

>>121644268
Kanji alone won't do shit. And if you've been doing reps for 2 years, you probably have a dogshit system.

Let me guess, you're "learning" 5 kanji a day with RTK?

>>121644333
Anki really doesnt teach you shit but give you a visual of the words. If you ACTUALLY thought anki would teach you the language youer insane.
The only way to learn something is to actually do it.
Anki is an accessory

>>121644232
>Alright now actually write that kanji
A whole six seconds. Staggering.

>>121644305
It is のだ・んだ+だって・たって+の
Have a read of those pages. It is what Tae Kim covers but with accurate detail.

>>121644057
pls respond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dxe-jXSRQU

I like the last one.

>>121644470
I don't know.

>>121642838
Really that's what you complain about? Did you look at the image? The person is clearly not trying.

>>121644470
それは、らしくない顔にもなるぜ

probably

Seriously though fuck kanji. No wonder so many japs commit sudoku when they constantly have to deal with this shit growing up and in their daily lives.
You can learn several other languages in the time it takes to master kanji

>>121644567
Master, sure. That'd take 20 years minimum. Enough kanji to match natives? You can learn that in a year.

The grammar differences are harder to grasp than kanji.

コスモキャンドルに行き、レッドXiiiに話しかけると、ブーゲンハーゲンが来て、ギ族の洞窟へと行くことになる。

来て

What does the Te form mean in this situation. Context in Final Fantasy 7 story cosmo canyon. Talking to redXIII

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>Ill for a week
>Now have a stupidly big backlog which I'll probably only get 60% retention on

>>121644735
and

>>121644751
>getting sick

Where are your priorities

>>121644735
Just connecting two sentences. You can imagine it means "and". And I'm pretty sure it's written in Tae Kim's guide at the -te form part.

>>121644751
That's what you get for being lazy

>>121644751
>ill for a week
>somehow unable to click through a few cards
Are you legit retarded or something? How can you be that sick for that long? I've had one day of being that sick ever, when I had flu with no medication.

>>121644820
>>121644796

It is but te form im really trying to get in me since it has so many forms.
Thanks guys

>>121637889
>Core2k is pretty fun to learn
i think so too. i'm almost to 4kwords in core2k/6k (doing 50 new words daily), and 2-4 grammar study per day (used to be daily vjg videos. more recently, daily DOJG entries)

the grind is fun when you get the feeling of actually remembering words i had trouble with the week prior. the grind is rewarding when you browse yomiuri can actually read many full sentences without a dictionary. the more you work the more rewarding it is.

but i'm sure the rapid progress eventually slows down and there's probably a really long plateau phase (assuming that learning a language is like anything else).

>>121644871
Not exactly a surprise that you'd only ever have one day of being sick when you don't know what the outside world looks like

>>121644904
It has one form. Or well, two. It can mean 'and', onto which interpretations such as cause can applied depending on context, or it can be used adverbially

>I ate a bad apple and got sick (cause)
>腐ったりんごを食べて、病気になった (cause)

>>121644871
Even if I'm moderately tired my mind becomes incapable of even simple math, so doing anki reps is right out the window.

>>121645045
If only it had but two forms

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Apparently this is the wrong for.

>>121645260
That "for" means something like "for my sake".

Does someone know why so many protagonists have their names written in katakana? ex: シンジ
Sometimes they even have an official kanji spelling but the katakana version is still used 99% of the time. ex: キリト

>>121645501
Easier to read

>>121645545
That can't be right. Especially when it comes to works aimed at older teens/adults, or anime where the protagonist's name is rarely if ever shown in written form.

If that's the reason why do I hardly ever see katakana names in eroge? The last thing I want to do while edging is struggling to decipher gook runes.

>>121645501
because evangelion?'s word is different from us
and キリトcan't be written in kanji

A が B を 求めてくれている

Isn't there a little more nuance to it than "A wants B"?

>>121645762
Also to differentiate between names and things.
These are my guesses though

>>121645776
implying this 森戸 cannot be used

>>121645776
>キリトcan't be written in kanji
That's wrong on so many levels.

>>121645821
fortunately , A wants B

>>121645890
>モリト

>>121645922
？

>>121645501
I think some Japanese people feel katakana is cool

>>121644057
>>121644470
らしくない顔
a non-[subject]-ish face

A face that the speaker would ordinarily find unexpected or unusual for the subject to wear, though the sentence here says that, whatever the situation is, it's not surprising for the subject to make it.

>>121645776
http://2log.sc/r/2ch.sc/news4vip/1410935727/

what's the keybind to get half-width katakana with google ime?

>>121646056
1) It's a real Japanese name, so of course there are a variety of standard kanji spellings.
2) There can also be a variety of nonstandard Japanese spellings. Psycho Pass's Kirito is 桐斗
3) Since it's a basically a play on SAO Kirito's real name, 桐ヶ谷 和人, it could be written as 桐(ヶ谷和)人. This is, not coincidentally, a standard spelling for the name Kirito.
4) Even if it was a foreign word it could be written phonetically in kanji as was usual in pre-modern Japanese, like the Chinese still do today.
5) And if all else fails, you can still string some meaningful kanji together and claim that you are supposed to read them "Kirito" for no reason, because Japanese is fun like that.

>>121646380
>>121646380
sorry my explanation was not proper
キリト, which is the name of protagonist of SAO, doesn't have official kanji

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>>121646380
熈蠡蠹

>>121645955
人名用漢字 aren't limited to readings. Parents are free to choose really any kanji they want for their kids name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJcbh1nXM8s

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>>121646559
Is there a Japanese version of DJT where they learn English instead.

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>>121646611
>kletz

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>>121646640
And if you're writing for Shounen Jump, you can pretend 青眼の白龍 is read BURUUAIZU HOWAITO DORAGON and so on.

>>121646380
Lost it at 奇痢吐

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>>121646380
(`･ω´･ )ト

>>121646461
i think katakana name, which seems to be strange in terms of real Japanese custom , is production's idea to make unique view of the world

>>121647003
That's vague enough to be plausible.

>>121646958
下痢吐 is conventional for most anons. A nice touch for the average shitposter.

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>>121646911
>That furigana
nigga how you sposed to read that shit

>>121647277
It isn't that hard to read, and natives can recognise kana intuitively.

Try reading a sign or something from a distance in English. Chances are you will be able to make out what it says by the general shape.

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>>121646723
>まず女性と喋れないんだが？
これな。

いやまず日本語の喋れる女は周囲にはいないんだが

I am bored
Finished my reps, already read and anime is boring.

>>121648137
Do 50 more new cards.

>>121648137
Do something else? You have other hobbies, don't you. You don't have to devote all of your free time to Japanese stuff.

>>121648191
Than how am I going to make it?

>>121648137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYzMYcUty6s

>>121648234
we're all gonna make it

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>>121648314
Except you.

Why are all the letters scrambled while i set anthy in ubuntu ?

instead of a i get ち　

>>121648348
Oh.

>those times when you read 4-5 sentences in a row without having to look up any word
These small moments make it all worth it.

>>121648425
Good to kno

>>121648137
Watch the Oscars.

>>121637889
>I shouldn't be working on Vocab until I at least 500+ Kanji

Au contraire, learning kanji through words is a good method.

>lets exclusively tell stories about people dying ww

>>121648353
I presume you're on kana input instead of romaji input.

Have you ReadTFM?

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I cant make heads or tails out of this guys.
Its something to do with not knowing some reason, and something about bringing them here.

Thanks

>>121649234
それは
あんな[訳のわからない]理由で via that [nonsensical] reason
連れてこられる able to be brought
たら

>>121649234
あんな訳の分からん理由で is a reason you can't understand (from わけがわからない)

連れて来られる is to be dragged along, it's the passive not the conditional as >>121649403 says.

たら is the conditional, meaning "if you were". The implication is that if you were dragged along for such an incomprehensible reason, you'd... (something that they've done). They're expressing understanding.

>>121648353
>anthy
>not mozc

>>121649403
>>121649432

thank you very much.

As always

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>>121648425
Can you read this?

>>121649565
Yes? Is there some reason you picked that?

>>121649565
I'm the guy you replied to. Yeah, I could read most of it but there were a few words I didn't know. I could guess most of them from context and I understood the story, but the ending was a bit abrupt?

>>121649829
Of the kindle screenshots I had on hand, it was a most wall-of-text-y. Which in retrospect is indeed a dumb reason.

>>121650014
>but the ending was a bit abrupt?
That's the point. It's a joke. Instead of going up level by level (standard horror story stuff) she goes to the elevator and he goes ツッコミ on her.

>>121650056
Oh. That went above my head.
I thought that the last sentence was supposed to be the moral of the story that you shouldn't be dishonest like the guy who didn't report the accident.

I understand now that it was the guy calling the little girl a cheater.

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I've seen this わ a couple of times now but it's not totally clear to me. In this case at least するわ seems to function like して, or even just rattling off events like したり or even とか.

It's a bit difficult to Google, all the explanations talk about that other わ.

日本語での説明でも全然平気です。この『わ』って助詞はどんな意味ですか

>>121650177
Don't feel too bad. I had to look up 横着 to understand it. Beyond that, you have to be able to read it at a decent pace otherwise the creeping sense of dread kind of doesn't build properly and you don't get the surprise factor at the end.

>>121650495
Yeah, I had this problem some years ago. It's just listing a bunch of occurrences with exasperation.

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q10102033400

You can look up the particle in yahoo dictionary or whatever and find it there too.

>>121642211
whelpkunin5years.webm

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Is it fine if my studying goes from hiragana -> katakana -> basic particles and grammar -> Kanji or should I be doing something else before I dive into kanji. I'm almost done with 1st grade Kanji and I am not sure if I am doing this correctly.

>>121650495
並立

>>121650495
check dojg brah

>>121650907
One thing that could be useful would be studying kanji by radicals instead of school grade. That means kanjidamage or heisig.

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>>121651186

Given the amount of entries in DOJG, how would one practically study it? I feel that just reading through the 3 volumes wouldn't be enough to make most of it stick. Is it feasible to make flashcards out of it?

>>121651250
meant to quote >>121651235

>>121651302
You don't study it. It's a reference

Is this grammatically correct, if not, how do I fix it?

やっぱり、俺がやめてのほうがいい

>>121651413
No

Read more.

>>121651413
No, and unless you tell us what you're trying to say and why you think you should say it that way there's not much point in asking us. See >>121651440 as well.

>>121651340
But I want to learn its contents.

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Is this true?

>>121651413
>>121651440

I'm trying to say

"It's better for me to quit"

>>121651473
Read and reference. Reading is a skill all its own and is generally more valuable than specific grammar points/vocabulary.

>>121651514
I don't know. Drama subs are almost always completely wrong, so I don't trust that English as far as I can throw it.

>>121651515
やっぱりやめたほうがいいかな, やめようかな, やめるべきか, etc. Read more and you'll encounter all these.

>>121651514
Everyone says this, but then judges others anyway.
A shining example of "you can't do it, but it's okay for me".

>>121651413
やめたほうがいい

>>121651514
>not translating it
Faggot.

>>121651302
Try reading through it using the order listed in the CoR on the 日本語文法辞典 sheet.
Here is the order:
http://pastebin.com/9tMS1Vde
I'm reading through them myself using this order, roughly. It is proving immensely helpful.

>>121651340
Referencing and reading it IS study. Stop mindlessly repeating things anons on DJT mindlessly repeat. Use your imagination a little.

>>121651235
I'm noting all the radicals in a kanji, though I'm barely at the point where it's useful because the kanji are so simple but I'm sure that's gonna change in a grade or two

What would "何発目" mean, in the context of sex? Is it short for something?

>>121651514
true
and boys too

>>121651622
>>121651686

Wait, so in what kind of phrases/cases would I need to use "のほうがいい"? Comparisons between two or more objects?

>>121651772
発 is a counter for bursts or ejaculations. You should be able to figure it out from there.

>>121651772
Probably asking the wrong people.

>>121651729
>Referencing and reading it IS study.
What the anon meant, doofus, is that you reference it when you need it, you shouldn't go page to page memorizing the contents and stuff.

Just a quick question, but why did you all decide to learn japanese? Personally I think I would have more common having a japanese gf than an american one.

>>121651801
のほうがいい isn't a set phrase so I'm not entirely sure why you're attached to that. 方がいい is a method of comparing things, and 方 is a noun. You use の to connect that with another noun, and you don't need anything for a verb. This is the same as all other Japanese clauses.

>>121651801
noun のほうがいい

>>121651805
>発 is a counter for bursts or ejaculations.
Eyup, thanks.

>>121651824
Is that a dig at people here being virgins or not knowing Japanese? Because I read enough Japanese porn to know what it means.

>>121651794
Men much less judge women by the looks than women do. It's true.

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Does anyone has a cracked version of Human Japanese, either Pc or android? i found the trial very useful and i'll love to buy it, but i lack of any means of online purchase atm

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>>121651861
>>121651872
Well, there's the sentence "電車と車とどっちのほうが速いですか" which I'm sure is grammatically correct.

I'm also pulling this out of a lesson book, if that helps

>>121652007
This might shock you, but どちら/どっち is a noun.

>>121651702
>Not being able to read that
オカマ野郎

>>121652029
びっくりした!
Sorry, things like this do go over my head. As for the reading, what should I be reading? I typically just run through lessons or read easy content like Japanese graded readers.

>>121651918
Why dont you just ask your mommy to buy it?

>>121651413
Well, you can do　て+の, so in that sense it's grammatical. It might be non-sensical though.

>>121652066
And you can? How long have you been learning then?

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>>121652089
My mom is dead.

>>121652083
You should read something you like. If you're completely clueless and just starting, there's nothing wrong with going through a guide like genki or tae kim to get acquainted with things. But try to find something you want to read and read it. It can be something you've read in English before if that helps you.

>>121652119
Not him but I couldn't read 判断 but it was pretty obvious what it was from the rest of the sentence

>これは高泡といって八日目ぐらいかな
This is around eight days past 高泡

right?

>>121652189
I started 4 months ago, and I couldn't read that.

>>121652314
No, it means 高泡 happens around the 8th day. You should also include context, I shouldn't have to google to find out that it's talking about brewing beer.

>>121652332
Then you could use jisho.org and look up kanji with radicals. Maybe you would even learn something from doing it

>>121652386
Sorry, was pretty sure I was correct. Thanks

>>121652418
Could you not be an asshole for one post? I know it's only you, I recognize your typing style. You've been doing this for weeks now, it's annoying.

>>121652598
No, fuck you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPPreL71Ok

Is this singer even speaking Japanese? I can't understand shit

>>121652386
By the way, do you read that as "this is 高泡, so it's around eight days in"? I mean, do you read it as her drawing a conclusion?

>>121652783
No, it's more like two separate things. "this is 高泡, it occurs around 8 days in". She's explaining something.

I wanna try watching a movie without any jp subs. Is that 3D doraemon movie any good? I would watch that since it's for kids and probably easy as shit.

>>121652838
I was way off then. But isn't the masu-stem more fitting when you just list facts like that without any strong connection?

>>121653062
連用形 (ます stem) and て fill the same function in this regard, it's just more formal/bookish to use the 連用形.

>>121651839
>you shouldn't go page to page memorizing the contents and stuff.

Why the fuck not? It helped me immensely. Apply the same to Tae Kim's grammar guide, because it is the same thing only structured in a more user friendly manner. Did you read through all of that despite not reading those concepts and patterns in native text yet?


Get your head out of your ass. This "doofus" has done that and it has helped more than the guide every sperg on DJT tells people to read before reading native media. How much Japanese do you actually know? Fuck I can't stand you autismal pricks who cannot comprehend that there is more than One True Method of learning a fucking language.

>>121653159
Cool story bro

>>121653141
Thanks again then

how do you study grammar? do you just read DOJT over and over committing patterns to memory, then try to come up with your own examples?

>>121654112
Watch anime for 6+ years and get a native level understanding of grammar

>>121654351
I already did that and my conjugations are at 80% accuracy checking through a online conjuagator, but

there's things that they just dont cover in anime.

>>121654411
Then you obviously haven't watched enough anime

>>121654411
Conjugations? That's what's tripping you up? Just read stuff and look up when you don't understand. You'll pick things up quick.

>>121654550
Im just fearful because it dosent seem systematic enough. You encounter one grammatical element one day you dont see it for a week. You see a pattern but can't apply it elsewhere because you don't understand it. That kind of stuff.

Maybe i should wait a month, then reread it to assure i understand?
>>121654519
Of course not. Now are you going to give me practical advice or just be a ass?

>>121654696
>it doesn't seem systematic enough
You're looking at this the wrong way. This isn't like you're studying for an exam or something. You're trying to read Japanese. The best way to get used to that and to get proficient at it is, in general, to read Japanese. If you don't encounter something enough to remember, it's probably not very important and you're not losing much of anything anyway. This is how language works, and it's why there are tons of words that have been used a couple times that no one remembers unless they have specific reason to.

>>121654833
That's logical and reassuring. Thanks.

I think im going to kill myself

>>121655211
don't do that

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>>121654696
>Now are you going to give me practical advice or just be a ass?

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What's being said in the upper right window? It's about alcohol being added to sake

>>121656890
source?

>>121656991

>>121642725

>>121656890
alcohol regulation

>>121657161
What does お酒にして mean?

>>121657369
にする means to decide on, meaning they make 1 ton of rice and use 120 liters of seed alcohol. 本醸造酒's rikai entry explains this. The guy is confused because why are you using sake to make sake, but the seed alcohol is not really "sake" but ethyl alcohol made from 廃糖蜜.

Would probably have been easier to understand this if we knew that she was explaining 本醸造酒 in the first place, but I found it by googling.

>>121657631
>if we knew that she was explaining 本醸造酒 in the first place,
Aaah, I'm tired

>need listening practice
>nothing excites me enough to watch it for hours
>stuck improving slowly from watching 3-4 anime eps a week

>>121657631
にして＝にすると＝で言うならば≠にする
be careful

>>121653208
Way to prove his point.

At the end i installed mozc and it works like a charm.
I started a JLTP vocab exercise on memrise and holy mother of god if it's hard, but it really makes you memorize both the kanji the meaning and the pronunciation.

>>121658183
Can you elaborate on what you mean? I'm not getting how にすると is the same as で言うならば. Is this the same as like 三〇歳にして人生を悟る?

>>121658370
Even just examples would be nice, because it's very hard to search for particular uses of にして given how common stuff like xをyにする is.

>>121658183
>>121657631
>>121658370
It seems to just be a conjunction in that image to me...
Like, it wouldn't be significantly different if it was で

「すぅ……すぅ……」

>「……あまね」

「んほぉぉ！？」

>「見てないならテレビ消すわよ」

「見てた、いや見てないけど、耳で聴いてたっ」

>「船漕いでたじゃない」

I know what 船漕い means literally, but I don't understand what it means in this situation. Can someone help?

>>121658771
船を漕ぐ

>>121658813
I'm an idiot.
Thanks.

>>121658370
３０才にして(when )

>>121658547
Hm. It makes perfect sense to me if you replace it with で言うならば, but I'm having trouble finding any examples of にして being used like that. It is kind of bothering me since I read quite a bit and this particular line doesn't click with me.

>>121658930
Yes, I understand that. That's why I posted it as a comparison. What I asked is if this (>>121656890) is a similar usage or not.

>>121658930
I guess 寡聞にして知らない would be another with that type of usage. But
>>121658983
>It makes perfect sense to me if you replace it with で言うならば
Seems like an awkward rewording to me

>>121658771
means his head goes back and forth because he is sleepy
he looks as if he pulled on the oars

this is common expression

>>121658983
>>121659041
Specifically, ならば implies supposition, whereas にして seems to imply more of a direct causation. Moreover, in these AにしてB examples, A is claimed to be true, not just supposed to be true.
>寡聞にして知らない
Don't know because of not hearing anything about it

>>121659041
I was just basing it off of what >>121658183 said. 寡聞にして makes sense to me (one /a/ related usage in that same vein is kiss-shot's description in monogatari, 鉄血にして熱血にして冷血の吸血鬼), but I am having trouble fitting that in to >>121656890. 25% is referring to the volume of the alcohol added (found through googling, http://www.shirasasa.com/group.htm), which didn't really help me in understanding how it fits together. Is １２０リットル the "end of a thought" here?

>>121659041
sure
i have to correct it
にして≒で言うならば

>>121659224
>Is １２０リットル the "end of a thought" here?
The more I think about it, the more I think this is where I misread. If you pause after it, it makes 100% sense because it says "120 liters (of alcohol, which was just mentioned) for 1 ton of rice [pause/period/etc] (in alcohol terms/speaking of alcohol/酒にして) is 25% or less"

Thank you for your help.

>all this discussion
djt has always been at it's best around this time, though

>>121659659
作舞陰茎ダチ

I just started a couple weeks/a month-ish ago and I have a few hundred kanji down, but I haven't even started learning grammar yet.

Which is more important early on if you just want good reading comprehension, having a large vocabulary or grammar?

>>121661065

Honestly, japanese grammar isn't anything that should scare you, and you can learn it all in a few months, what anybody really need in any language is a good vocabulary.
But a good vocabulary alone isn't worth shit, so learn around 500 words and start cracking the tae kim guide (and never stop with the vocabs).

>>121661065
I would say grammar.
You can shortcut on vocabulary by using dictionaries if you want to. You can't do the same for grammar; even DOJG is at best a tool to look up a distinct grammar point, not a few of these in the row. It's just, whereas the difficulty of looking up two unknown words is difficulty1+difficulty2, with grammar looking up two separate points can be up to difficulty1*difficulty2.
Mind you, in long term, vocabulary is harder to learn and is more of a problem and you don't want to slack off on it, but when you're beginning grammar pays off a lot more than vocabulary. You can kinda-sorta guess things even without vocabulary but it's really hard to do the same without decent understanding of grammar.
Also, Tae Kim (that is, basic grammar that accounts for 90% of everything) is easier than going through the entirety of Core/RTK, in my opinion. It's still pretty hard, but it's easier.

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これは英雄の物語ではない。英雄を志す者は無用である。

>>121661298
>>121661304
Okay, that seems fair, and about what I expected to hear.
I've actually been trying to read and more or less guess at what's being said based on the words that show up, though I'm sure my accuracy is bad due to words having doubling meanings and what not.

But thanks for the tips, I'll do vocab for a bit more then start on the grammar guides in the OP.

>>121661065
Start learning grammar and vocabulary. In my opinion beginners should study broadly and familiarize themselves with all aspects of the language before they decide to focus hard on single aspect, if they choose do so, be it kanji or vocab or listening comprehension or whatever

>>121661481
You should probably just work through Genki or Tae Kim before you do anything else

>>121661359
ホモに逢うてはホモを斬る
ユダヤ人に逢うてはユダヤ人を斬る
政治板の理、ここにあり！

>>121661582
>>121661653
Guess I'll go start grammar then.

One of the things that way confused me was that anki told me する was a kanji, and then when I flipped the card it shows 為る. Like, I get that the sound is the same, but I have no idea why it's showing it like that.

>>121662079
Go on google and search for DJT's standard black-white Anki format. Then set it and make sure you install rikaisama + anki's addons to add words as cards with a tap of a button.

>>121662214
That's probably a good idea, thanks.
I kinda just jumped into the 10k decks.

So after reading all the hate for RTK i went ahead and downloaded the book from the cornucopia, read the introduction, and went through a couple of the lessons.

What's all the controversy about? It turns out I was already naturally doing his method on my own. In fact, several of my personal mnemonics were exactly the same as Heisig's.

Not sure if all this work is necessary for reading VN's or whatever, but if production is important to you, I can't see why you wouldn't want to take at least take look at this, at least to see the order in which Heisig has organized the Kanji for memorization.

>ユーモアセンス
Frankly, I get the impression that most of you focus too much on structure instead of actually getting used to the language but I'm having no luck with this word so here I am. The author has a penchant for using foreign words but I can't make heads or tails on what this actually means.

>>121662476
I was going to give you a hint, but given that rikai could answer your question you don't even deserve that.

>>121662476
Try saying it out loud, it usually helps with butchered english words in Japanese. "Sense of humor", in this case.

>>121662258
Currently (i use the 2k/6k opt), but when I come across words that give me difficulty, I have to do a fair amount of searching for example sentences to help me see the word in context / consolidate it in memory. The 2k/6k/10k "further optimized" deck has a ton of example sentences for each word. This alone probably makes it way better

>>121661065
Read tae kim through to get an quick overview, also, VJG is very informative and concise. Do 1-2 vids per day after your reps
>http://www.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm
Acquire the DOJG books to use as a reference when reading.

>>121662476
"humor sense"
rikaisama actually has entries for this. you could probably put it in jisho.org too.

as you can see, a big part of "getting used to the language" is learning vocabulary.

>>121662348
The consensus seems to be, it works but it's slow and not necessarily worth the time, unless you want to write kanji or you just naturally learn that way better. Also, many people don't get that it should be done fast and as a result shoot themselves in the feet by stretching it over the years, which kinda raises the question whether it does more good than bad.
I personally do it because I already began long before finding these threads and by this point is too far in to drop it, and also because I do learn easier that way.
Also, some people think that mnemonics are harder to learn than just kanji by themselves or fear that mnemonics will screw up with their brain. I don't really get these people, though.
But I think the biggest part is just the backlash, because before Heisig was considered a must in these threads, and now that it turned out RTK isn't a must, everybody overindulges in harping on it, which causes the opposite backlash, etc.
Also, biblical references in the stories, because some people just can't abandon their goddamn fedoras.

>>121662542
Motherfucker. That could easily have been a lot less obtuse.

>>121662808
Dammit, I forgot to get rid of my name for the other thread again.
Why am I such a klutz?
Sorry, anons.

>>121662642
Yeah, it probably wasn't the best idea to just jump into the 10k deck, but I figured "Hey, words are words." And ran with that in mind.

And yeah, I'm reading through Tae Kim right now. It doesn't seem too hard.

>>121662707
Yes but I see plenty of posts baffled with informal grammar in these threads and you guys always seem to be competing to see who has the most cards.

What's the weirdest Kanji that you know how to write from memory?
Mine is 鬱

>>121662984
I am personally fond of the idea of learning grammar while simultaneously building a vocabulary base of at least 1k ~ 2k words to start with. From there, you can diverge into different paths (whether you want to continue with Anki or not) and start beginner manga.

I mean, you could even start now - But not having at least 1k words under your belt is going to make things a major hassle.

Once you get there, just reference DOJG whenever you have a grammatical issue (weblio and other Japanese dictionaries online also help as supplementary material) and continue that as a habit.

When you have time, read and practice grammar. Additional time falls under anki.

>>121663031
卍

>>121663031
一

I can't write.

>>121663031
凸

>>121663081
Keep in mind the cornucopia has adult-level books and readers, with full parallel translations and translation notes, and audio readings.

This may prove more educational than kids' manga..

>>121663081
What I thought was even if I know the grammar I'll have no clue what I'm reading because I won't know any words. So that's why I started with vocab. I'm basically been living off jisho and anki to learn.

But the further I get into the cards to less sense things makes when things come up that have double meanings. I've more or less guessed that a word has a different sound if it's placed after a particle such as の or は. One example would be 家 is read as うち when before の but is read as いえ when it comes after の.

But again, that's just a guess based on the examples the cards give me.

>>121663232
>This may prove more educational than kids' manga..

You would be surprised anon, take into consideration that japanese kids learn kanji also through manga, and that something like dragon ball can really teach a decent amount of words.

>haven't studied or repped in two weeks
>can understand twice as much spoken japanese since that time
if only I studied it might be four times as much.

>>121663530

Anon this is actually logical, the brain need a cool-down period to absorb what you studied.
A one week pause can cement what you learned anon.

>>121663591
I better hope you're not implying that I should do this regularly.

>>121663617

Hey who knows ? they did studies about this, and it appears that it should be done regularly to improve your results.

>>121663283
>I've more or less guessed that a word has a different sound if it's placed after a particle such as の or は
That's wrong

>>121663617
Unless you're one of those high pressure jap studying addicts it's good to take breaks so you don't burn yourself out. Just like muscles, don't overtax your brain by forcing it and give it time to recover.

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>>121663530
tfw when i have to constantly do anki and stuff or I forget stuff easily

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Do you never give up?

>>121663925
Then you should correctly me and tell me why that's spelled differently.

>>121663941

The brain is a muscle, people should treat it like one.
Do your exercise slowly, let it relax, eat well and you will learn much more than by overtaxing the poor fucker.

>>121664101
いえ is house in general, うち is your own home. roughly

>>121664093
Yes.

>>121663283
What? No.

>>121664181
Is it like physical house vs abstract home, or is it like "a house which exists" vs "one's own house of living-at"?

>>121663941
How can you take breaks? Anki will just start to pile up surely?

>>121664245
i think it was mentioned before but it assumes you do it everyday. If you want you can review early or just set a limit.

>>121664181
>>121664227
Oh, I see. But doesn't that still effect where the it's placed in the sentence syntax?

>>121664312
Doesn't help. Reviews still pile if you do that - You're only limiting the amount of reviews per day but the total number of reviews does not change. There's probably some other option to turn it off that I'm not familiar with.

>>121664245
Set some days out for study and the others just reading a series you like in moon. Shouldn't be too hard to find something in noscan limbo. Sort of like leg and torso days.

>>121664350
Particles don't determine which reading you use for the sentence - You have to look at the entire context of the sentence, whether additional kanji or hiragana is attached to the initial kanji you're looking at, etc to figure it out.

>>121664240
Something to that effect, maybe. You wouldn't talk generally about うち, it's more personal. But you can talk personally about いえ as well as generally.

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Why does DJT always talk about learning Japanese as if it's some exhausting and grueling task like climbing Mount Everest and you have to power your way through with either willpower or amphetamines?

I just don't get it. I guess that might apply in some very minuscule amount to the beginner period when there's not much you can do but grind reps and read about grammar, but it quickly gets to the point where most of your studying, if you can even call it studying, is just playing video games, watching TV, and reading books and manga.

I guess I could understand this if you've maybe been NEETing it up for the last decade and haven't done anything challenging at all during that time, but if you're used to doing any kind of work on a regular basis then learning Japanese is just fun and relaxing.

>>121664350
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/3726/what-is-the-difference-between-%E3%81%84%E3%81%88-and-%E3%81%86%E3%81%A1

read that

>>121664512
meant for >>121664240

Speaking of Anki, I can only do 15 new cards per day, because I try to break down everything in the sample sentence, so there are extra words and some grammar points. I also look up the kanji in tangorin or Jisho.

宿題、手伝ってくれない？

I'd get 3 words and てくれる

I feel that I learn and recall the words better this way than when I went through the cards as fast as possible. But it's reaaaaaally slow.

>>121664379
No, its gonna get shorter, Happened to me. They don't pile that much, if you keep the review count at a reasonable number.
The reviews don't double or tripple unless you really did something, but rather go up slowly while you chip away large sections day by day.

Like I had thousand or so reviews, I didn't do all the reivew but several hundred and now its down to a low number.

>>121664452
I suspect it's become something of a skinner's box for the power learners.

>>121664452
＞tfw beginner period
>Oh look something I have no fucking I dea what it means~
>Forget most of it again in 4 minutes
I hope it gets better

>>121664554
You should find a way to "study" your cards before your first review. Things you've seen before encountering them in the system is the intended useage of SRS.

>>121664452
Because most of the people here are beginners.

>>121642074
Kanken-7 here.

>>121664412
That's so confusing, so you could not know how to read a word correctly until you get to the end of a sentence?

>>121664512
Oh, right. Perspective.
I forgot about that.

>>121664554
Are you using the OP deck?
kick it up a notch, do 20,25.
Don't really really, try to learn them the first time you see them I guess. You're gonna be seeing them each day. Try to get the basic meaning.

btw at that stage with easy words, you're probably gonna be seeing them often so don't worry too much if you don't.

>>121664615
Just read Tae Kim or whatever, you're just going to confuse yourself more if you stay here

>>121664452
Watching a lot of motivational videos when I was starting out ended up having the strange side effect of making me think that learning Japanese was something that it wasn't. They helped when I was a beginner, but eventually it gets distorted because you're listening to videos created to motivate people who are training for triathlons and weight lifting competitions and in reality you're playing a video game in a different language. It's not the same thing at all and using those videos so often to pump me up caused me to begin associating the two and that made me think that Japanese was a lot harder than it actually was. It took me awhile to realize that I don't need to listen to motivational videos to study Japanese anymore than I need to listen to motivational videos to motivate me to jerk off or to play a video game in English. I don't need to "want to learn Japanese as badly as I want to breathe" when learning Japanese is usually just sitting on my ass and playing games, it's not that difficult.

>>121664600
Good point. I should probably try to do the studying outside the review sessions, but it's convenient when you are are reviewing, so that's how it came to be for me.

>>121664683
Thing is if I don't seriously look at the words, I found that I'd forget them at around 1-2 months interval or easily confuse them with similarly looking ones.

>>121664807
Probably for the best.

>>121664615
家 is strange because you have two readings for a single kanji. There are other kanji like that but one of the readings is more common.

Usually, you look at the readings based on whether there's hiragana or kanji attached to something.

For example:
新車 （しんしゃ）New Car
新しい　（あたらしい） New (adjective)
相手　（あいて） Partner, companion
外相　（がいしょう）Foreign Minister

You look at the kanji around it to see what it means and how to read it obviously. い adjectives and verbs have some kind of hiragana ending to them (with kanji in the front). There can be of course, multiple readings for multiple words and you gotta learn to differentiate the readings for each one (相手 and 外相 has 相 attached with another kanji, but 相 can be read as しょう for 外相 but あい for 相手）

>>121664807
Also follow this.

>>121664994
>家 is strange because you have two readings for a single kanji.
It happens often enough that you can't call it strange though.