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>Rookie animators only receive hourly wage for 120 ¥ ? They work roughly 250 hours a month, and that make them must live with income ¥ 30,000 a month.

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-30297.html#more

I-is this slavery ? What are you doing to save anime industry /a/ ? Did you ever buy the original BD / DVD ?
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They just need to git gud like Bahi-kun.
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This thread again? Also, at least post the non-moon version.
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>>121568732
They only receive that because there are som many of them. If japs and other gooks stopped drawing and being lazy fucks and focusing on more productive shit like engineering or medicine, animators' salary would skyrocket
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>implying slavery was dead
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>>121568732
Think of it as experience.
You use it as a starting point in the ladder for your career
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>>121568732
Slavery is not related to income, anon-kun. Slavery is not being the owner of your body. These animators can quit, therefore not slaves, just retards who can only draw and have no other skill
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I want to see more source, there's no way it's just 1.20 an hour starting. Fast food workers in Japan makes way more than that.
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>>121568871
Except for the fact that the majority of people never get past that. It is for most an impossible lie that exploits their passion for the industry to get them to work at appalling rates.
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>>121568941
Well it's actually reasonable if they're inbetweeners considering the amount of worker supply.
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>>121568732
Monthly wage from my country doing fastfood jobs is like 16,000 yen when converted. So anything that pays 30,000 yen sounds like a dream job for me.
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>>121568941
Even on a government funded training program which has a ridiculously large budget compared to TV anime inbetweeners only get 600 yen a drawing.

http://2chan.us/wordpress/2010/05/25/janica-animator-training-details/
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>>121568877
>Slavery is not being the owner of your body

so about fatalpulse doujin....is it coming yet?
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>>121569067
>comparing your country's obvious cheap cost of living to Japan's
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>>121568871
But from what I know, the rent for apartment in Tokyo / Big City is nearly ¥ 30,000 (or can be more high).

It's okay if your parents still stupport you, but if not....what are you going to do in this position ?

Part time ?
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>>121569135
Have you seen where Emma lives in Shirobako? It is literally a tiny room smaller than your bedroom.
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>>121568871
>You use it as a starting point in the ladder for your career

You sound like one of those exploitative chucklefucks who offer 'unpaid' internships because it's all about 'the experience' and foot-in-the-door baloney. Oh so generous!

It's desperate and cheap slave labour is all it is.
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>>121568779
Only shit, are you serious? I'm a corporate NEET (I go to the office and pretend to do work) and I get paid more than the goth loli. Not to mention Oi works more hours in a day than I do in a month.

Japan is such a fucked up country.
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>>121569172
then later don't go on your malaysian risk .webm board of choice complaining that all job offers require prior work experience :^)
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>>121568732
>120 yen per hour
>30k yen a month

Jesus. How the fuck do you live with that amount of money? I earned more in the 8 hour shift I just came home from than they do in a month...
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>>121568941
Well, see those tweet in the link OP gave, the blog one (yaneurablog)

That is the blog of Sachiko Kamimura (City Hunter's character designer)

It written that the hourly wage for rookie animator is only 120 Yen.....and that was 20 Years ago. I'm not good with economic, if you calculated the inflation rate etc, how much is now ?
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>>121568732
I just scream at the camera for 10 minutes a day and I make millions of dollars annually.

Japan is so fucked up bros.
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>>121569295
about 140 yen if you adjust for inflation
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>>121569295
Google gave me this inflation calculator, which only goes up to 2011, but it's good enough.
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>>121569326
Hey you entertain millions of children.
Keep up the good "work"
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>>121569187
You just can't compare countries with vastly different economies like that.
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>>121569428
Pleb here
Please explain that pic
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How does an animator earn less than a person who works less hours?
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>>121569455
They are less than people obviously
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>>121569455
How does a mcodnalds worker earn less than a person who works less hours?
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>>121569336
>>121569361
>roughly 35,000 Yen a month.

No much different.

250 hours, that means 10 days work without stopping a month.

And animator's work is more difficult than a waiter, or working part time at convenience store (need more skills and education, which mean, money and concentration).

I start to pity them.
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>>121568779
And what about the non-A seiyuus?
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>>121569490
>animator's work is more difficult than a waiter
A shitty waiter anyway.
Fancy waiters are top tier shit
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>>121568732
Pretty sure they actually earn slightly more than that. Still, it's not really enough when you factor in Japan's cost of living. Many animators have to subsist on instant noodles and convenience store food.
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>>121569526
Yeah, if you consider a high class restaurant, but if you work at such a place, you'll easily earn more than 1000 Yen a hour.
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>>121569557
Why do you pretend to know what you are talking about? When you so clearly know shit all?
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>>121568732
It's not like buying the BD/DVD will actually change their wages, so no.
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>>121569520
>girl A
>girl B

maybe they just earn a bit more or less than a Japanese college student tier.
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>>121568871
>Think of it as experience.

Sure, if a rookie work as inbetweeners in such high quality anime like what MAPPA, KyoAni, Ufotable, does.

But what about shit studio with limited budget as Diomedea ? You'll work more sloppily, and what we have, a QUALITY anime.
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What about character designers?
And how does it work when making an adaptation, is money even passed around? or does the studio appreciate having a story to work from while the mangaka/whatever appreciates having advertisement?
I really need to pick this show back up.
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>>121569911
>And how does it work when making an adaptation
Im pretty sure the publisher does all the talks and deals while the authors and artist just have to deal with it
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>>121569187
>corporate NEET

You don't use a word that literally says "Not Employed, in Education, or Training" like that.
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>>121569911
See >>121569295

The source is from Sachiko Kamimura's blog (character designer of City Hunter)
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>>121569428
>Over 50% earn more than 100k USD in Nippland
Ok, how the fuck do animators survive with less than 10k?
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Animator is low-qualification job. They even teach students who never draw.
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Does having an A-list voice actor on the cast really make that much of a difference? Worth 25+ other staff working on it?

I can't think of the last time I said, "Well, the show was shit until it was saved by the VA."
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>>121570553
rabid otaku idolatry.
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>>121570553
It's exactly the same with Hollywood movies. Are you being dense on purpose?
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>being able to draw less than one frame in an hour

That's their problem, really.
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>>121568777
This.
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>>121570553
A-list voice actors do more than one role per season, they also get money from live events, character songs etc. etc.. Directors, animators and others can do one, maybe two series per season, it's normal that they earn much less.
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>>121570553
> Worth 25+ other staff working on it?

That's not how it works. The A-list VA isn't going to be at the studio 8am to 8pm like the animators; they have an hour-long session per episode at most and a lot of overlapping shows.
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>>121570553
That's all her combined earnings, not what she gets for 1 show
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>>121568871
>You use it as experience
>Showing people you have experience shitting on your dignity, working 250 hours a month doing a shitty job with no future

Worth it.
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>>121568779
I find it hilarious that the main girl with the least screentime is making the most money...although if Zuka makes it big in VA that will obviously change.
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>>121568877

The distinction between wage slavery and actual slavery is academic at best. People can decide to quit, but they cannot decide to stop eating or stop living in a house, which is heated in some manner. When a choice would literally kill you, it is not an actual choice to make.
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>>121573308
>Zuka makes it big in VA
>5 eps left and still part timer
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>>121574143
If being a part timer actually earns you more money per hour with less skill, no one can't have they don't have a choice other than animation.
Also refer to >>121570852 pic related
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>>121568732
Only 250 hr a month? Man they have it good.

Some people pay a tuition fee to work 400 hours a month, and only stop because the law prohibit them from going over that.
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>>121574310
*say
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>>121574321
Such is life in developed countries anon.
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>>121574386
But anon, this is the developed countries. In non-developed ones, there is no 400 hr/month limit. There is no after 24 hours on call you get to sleep law. There is only anon, the pager is going off. Why are you not in the OR? Dammit see another consult for me.
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Do these workers earn more if the show does well? Any bonuses from that?
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>>121574566
Yeah, their bonus is the studio they're working in doesn't end up like Musashi pictures.
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>>121568779
How the fuck do you live off 9400?
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>>121574723
Oh God. Working in Japan is truly suffering. I thought working 80 hours a week was bad here.
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>>121574760
Where do you live that you work 80 hours a week?
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>>121574813
West Coast.

When you are one of the few people who could do a work that needs someone to be there 24 hours, you have to pick up the hours to spread it around. But also, it is somewhat of a calling so I am happy doing it.
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>>121574760
But they only work like, 60 hours a week.

You live in a literal hell if you work THAT much.
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>>121568779
How does 110 yen per hour translate to $9400 per year? Do they work 36 hours a day?
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>>121575112
It's not 110 yen/hr
The two characters after the number in the Japanese chart mean "10,000" and "yen", respectively.
110.4 * 10,000 yen/yr / 116yen/usd ~= $9500 usd/yr
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>>121575112
Ten thousand yen.
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>>121575231
Ah thanks, makes more sense now.
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>>121574945
At least I get paid enough to live a decent life, rent a place that is comfy, and don't have to worry about food budget.
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>>121570584

Oh~ Say it again
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>>121570553
Sound typically get about 10% of the overall budget. That's everything audio - OP/ED, OST, sound design, and dubbing. Even A-list seiyuu only get around $500/episode, so hiring them really don't hit the budget too hard. If adding them help sell even a few disks, they'd more than pay for themselves.
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>>121569448
>>121570202
It's wealth, not income.
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Fixing it would basically require a complete scaling down and restructuring of the Japanese animation industry. The bread and butter of animation studios is contract work, which means they are competing for contracts with other studios. If one studio decides to give their animators decent wages, their fees will become that much higher and it'd be unlikely they'll get any contracts. External forces like the government or a union enforcing a minimum wage for animators would just result in a quick move to CG and a quick death for traditional animation.

That said, things could probably be improved by increasing efficiency. There's been a rather disturbing trend in recent years with staffs increasing in size in all the wrong places.
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Japan direly needs minimum wage.
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>>121576733
Japan has minimum wage.
But animators are contracted, no wages here.
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>>121576733
that would kill the industry even more
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>>121568732
I think the real problem is why the fuck is Japan's government not doing jack shit about fixing the cost of living/value of the Yen?
Japan is pretty much pre WW2 Germany right now, to the point I am actually concerned.
We're already got Game companies being absorbed into Mobile Companies, and Toei Animation, how much lower can the average Japanese person go to make it in the country?
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>>121576904
What point does the existence of an industry have that kills its workers?
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>>121576733
This accomplishes nothing. All goods will increase in price. The end result is people making the same relative to the cost of necessities.

What Japan needs is better education and technology. Animators could be more efficient if technology developed. CG animation is the way to go, it saves so much time and money. It can emulate hand animation if we can develop better cel shading techniques and the like.

Get a majority of those animators in other better paying fields. 10% of those animators should become CG animators and then they will have a decent salary.
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>>121576987
Do you really care who draws your chinese cartoon?
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>>121577012
CG is cancer. If it takes over, I'm quitting anime.
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>>121577082
Can't CG take over if it emulates hand animation maybe up to 90% of the same quality as today? Isn't it possible to accomplish this with computers?
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>>121576586
Ok, so it means that people have more than 100k in cash, commodities, properties etc.?
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>>121577144
Take a look at what vidya makers are trying to do at the moment. It looks like shit.
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>>121577144
Good CG cost a lot more money than hand drawn, and even then it couldn't emulate hand drawn perfectly.
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Also Japanese culture forces you to work until you drop.

No wonder so many people are becoming NEETs and/or killing themselves.
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>>121576987
>kills
You're exaggerating, sure it's not that high of an income, but most start up animators are young and still live with their parent.
The low salary is caused by the abundance of people willing to be paid, regardless of amount, for drawing cute girls.
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>>121568779
>>121568732
I'm not understanding how the first three (Animator, College Student, Part-Timer) are interpreted. Any clear explanation on this?
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>>121568732

>Did you ever buy the original BD / DVD ?

Even if we bought more blurays some/most of the money might just go to a jew or something, we don't know
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>>121577483
What do you mean "interpreted"?
Animator is a full-time animator.
College student is a college student that works part-time.
Part-timer is not in school, and can spend more hours at work than the college student, earning a bit more.
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>>121577335
That's why Japan has no elderly people at all.
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