Why do people like Ikuhara so much? The only good thing he's

>>121216207
He is an artist with a vision, and I enjoy Yuri Kuma.

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i see plenty of plot in yurikuma

You have shit taste.

>>121216207
>Revolutionary Girl Utena
>full of shitty symbolism without any plot to back it up.
Ayy

>>121216352
>Girl turns into a car
Yeah totally makes sense and not pretentious at all.

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>Penguindrum
>better than Utena

>>121216207
>Penguindrum great
>Utena shit
Kill yourself.

>>121216461
Is this the 12yo thread?

>>121216461
Something is only pretentious when they verbally talk down to the audience in their explanations, like NGNL.

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>>121216516
>>121216463
>>121216352
Pretty much everyone outside of Ikuharafag threads thinks this though.

>>121216463
More accurately
>Penguindrum
>good

>>121216461
Why are praising Penguindrum if you hate Utena for being bizarre?

>>121216642
Because Penguindrum makes that absurdity into humor. Utena is just pretentious about it.

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>>121216207

It will become apparent, so It might as well be mentioned at the outset, that I am a fan of Ikuhara, and while you're reading my response it may be necessarily pertinent to remember this. Due to character count limit, I will only defend Yuri Kuma Arashi. That being said, rest assured that Yuri Kuma Arashi is not simply "nonsensical symbolism", and to distill Yuri Kuma's essence into such a slanderous phrase is not only an insult to Yuri Kuma, but also a insult to your own intelligence and argument. Also keep in mind, phantasmagorical hermeneutics notwithstanding, your confidence alone does and will not attest to the veracity of your specious claims in contesting the verisimilitude of the purportedly ostensible narrative of Yuri Kuma Arashi.

It should be quite clear to even the most cursory viewing of Yuri Kuma Arashi is an allegory for the plight face by homosexuals in contemporary Japanese society. The invisible storm illustrates that the self-interested and self-sufficient individual remains the ideal, in which the centering of rational choice and a capacity of transcendence both occludes group-based harms of systemic oppression and conceals the complicity of individuals in the perpetuation of systemic injustices.

The fantasy sequences are symbolic of how fantasy is always greater than reality, and how the romance Kureha felt for Sumika will always be more limpid and sonorous in her mind, where it must now forever remain. It is true that the people concerned in anime are not what we would call 'real people.' But none of the feelings which the joys or misfortunes of a 'real' person awaken in us can be awakened except through a mental picture of those joys or misfortunes; and the ingenuity of Ikuhara lay in his understanding that, as the picture is the one essential element in the complicated structure of our emotions, so that simplification of it which consisted in the suppression, pure and simple, of 'real' people would be an improvement.

>>121216687
Do you have the badges for Ginko and Lulu?

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>>121216687
>reeeeekt. kuma rekt.

>but also a insult to your own intelligence and argument.
Shots fired

Is your love true?
Will you forget love?
Will you back down on love?

>>121216687
>ikuharafags are this delusional

>>121217169
>maybe you're too dumb to see it

>>121217169
He may be sucking Ikuhara's dick, but he isn't wrong. It's refreshing to see an anime deal with real contemporary problems in Japan like homophobia.

>>121216687
>It should be quite clear to even the most cursory viewing of Yuri Kuma Arashi is an allegory for the plight face by homosexuals in contemporary Japanese society.

Nothing recently has in any way indicated that. How does the love between the princess and the prince fit into your retarded inexistent homosexual plight allegory?

>>121217414
>Nothing recently has in any way indicated that.
Ikuhara himself said that was the theme of the show. Don't even like Lesbian Bear Storm but the show is 100% an allegory for Class S relationships in Japan and the hypocracy that is having tons of yuri manga material while shunning lesbian relationships in real life.

>>121216687
>It should be quite clear to even the most cursory viewing of Yuri Kuma Arashi is an allegory for the plight face by homosexuals in contemporary Japanese society.
Ikuhara doesn't rate gays/lesbians, he's said so in public. He just uses them to represent minority groups in general.

>>121217401
Don't get me wrong, SJWs are scum, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be progressive about morals and ethics.

>>121217401
But Utena is older than you, let alone SJWs.

>>121217507

Here's some progressive morals for ya: Don't be a stuck up piece of shit and try and apply your culture's morals to another culture. Just leave people the fuck alone, Christ.

>>121217507
Yeah no. "Progressive" is another word the SJWs use to hide their agendas.
Need I remind you those same SJWs are trying to normalize pedophilia now? In a few decades it'll be "progressive" to be a pedo. Think about that for a bit.
https://archive.today/TGI0K

>>121217401
>gamergate
>we
I despise SJW, but get your GG shit out of /a/.

>>121217401
Fuck off /v/.

>>121217557
Where is this coming from? I'm thinking within the Japanese cultural environment, unlike a sjw.

>>121216207
>without any plot to back it up.
>shitposting about Utena without watching it first

>>121217621
>>121217622
Gamergate is site wide, but alright.

>>121217401
Who the fuck is we? Take your shitty American identity politics back to /v/.

>gg shit

>>>/v/
>>>/2*2*2chan/

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>>121217401
>what we were fighting against with gamergate
>>>/v/

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I thought the latest episode was pretty entertaining but the whole show together has been pretty disappointing so far.

I mean the overuse of the court scene and stuff is pretty cheap.

>>121217662
Fuck off. /a/ is not for this shit. It never was.

>>121217613

but I want that

>>121217448
>Ikuhara himself said that was the theme of the show
Lies. He just said that the Yuri in the title was Yuri as in the lesbians and not Yuri as in the flower and people took that comment and stretched it as far as they could.

>>121216207
lowqualitybait.jpg

>>121216461
Utena brings Anthy the option to free herself. Come on bro, it's heavy-handed and not complicated at all.

>>121217704

You fuck off, cunt. The social justice retards have been showing up in /a/ more and more over the past few years, even more so in the past year alone, and shills like you just keep letting them have their way. Get your head out your ass.

>>121217798
>>>/v/
Not everybody cares about your imaginary battle to save the world of the SJW conspiracy.

There I deleted my comment on GG. Let's get back to talking about Ikuhara already. Fucking hell /a/.

>>121217832

>>>/tumblr/

Not everyone cares about your petty wittle feelings

>>121217662
>/a/ caring about your video game tantrum

Yeah okay. I think most of the people here haven't seen a real woman in months, much less care about what they do.

>>121217868
Ids do late

Ids hoblets

>>121217557
Ikuhara is Japanese, anon. He's applying his own culture's morals to his own culture.

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Why do people like Ikuhara so much? The only good thing he's done was Utena. Penguindrum and Yurikuma are both nonsensical and full of shitty symbolism without any plot to back it up.
I mean yeah Utena was great, but why the hell are people trying to defend crap like this?

>>121217798
> If we let sjws talk, people will get le tricked!

If they're saying dumb shit, it will come across as dumb shit. What are you afraid of? Your secret club getting a bad rep?

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>Utena
>symbolism

Nice running joke that totally isn't dated

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>>121216207 (OP)
>nonsensical and full of shitty symbolism without any plot to back it up
This is what they call "2deep4u". Not that I liked Utena all that much, but it wasn't nonsensical.

>>121218028
Funny story, I left my trip on

>>121218121
>(OP) # (OP)

>>121217868
Not until you post video of you killing yourself

>>121218190
Absolutely this, do the honourable thing.

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>>121216207
>Revolutionary Girl Utena and Yurikuma are both nonsensical
One is about growing up and the other is about homophobia. How is that hard to understand?
>shitty symbolism
Literally most of Penguindrum's symbolism is rehashed from Utena
>without any plot to back it up
Whatever you say, anon.

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>>121218303
>One is about growing up
No, it's about feminism and Jesus. Utena is literally feminist Jesus, Anthy is the redeemed humanity, pic related the The Father and the thing that drops from the castle is the holy ghost. He also represents the patriarchy as well as old notions of infinite cyclical unchanging time (c.f. the second ED).

Get it right, people.

>>121218303
>How is that hard to understand?

Don't. Seriously. The majority of the people are fucking retarded.

Simpletons that take everything at face value. Thinking about something that you consume seems to be way too difficult. Even if it's as simple as coming of age or a simple take on some of society's problems. You'd think /a/ is full of NEETS that have enough time to spend on a simple thinking process. Especially when talking about problems that are possibly their own.

>>121218573
There's a reason no one likes you DEEPfags.

>>121218458

I don't think a Japanese anime writer would know the holy trinity if he was with them in a foursome

>>121218592
If only it was deep. You might want to shove something up your ass if you think a simple coming of age story is deep.
I wonder. Is everything that you don't want to think about 2deep?

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>>121218573
Utena was a pleasant surprise for me. It made me appreciate more than just moeshit anime.

>>121218668
Yes. There is a reason Absolute Duo is the best anime this season.

>>121218693
Too obvious. At least be more subtle.

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>>121218721

Absolute Duo really is the best show of the season.

You should be watching it if you're not.

>>121218721
b8

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>>121218607
You're kidding, right? The fucking music had references to platonic solids and so on, the trinity is elementary-level in comparison.

It's hard for me to think of a show that has more western aesthetic elements, too.

>>121218573
It's not a coming-of-age, though. It's an allegory about feminist Jesus.

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>>121217369
>Surfing Elephants but it's artistic because symbolism
Even admitting that his themes are serious he still depicts them in the most retarded way possible.

>>121218760
>references
And? It doesn't mean that the director understands the concept.

>>121218760
>It's not a coming-of-age, though. It's an allegory about feminist Jesus.
Stop pushing this meme.

>>121218820
>retarded
Or maybe he just likes fun. Not every symbolic work needs to be dead serious. Actually, most of them aren't.

>>121218055
>farts
That's Ikuhara's toilet level idea of comedy.
And you are just blind if you didn't notice that it's in Utena as well.

>>121218738
I'm watching it. OP/ED are great, same goes for Ja. But that's it.

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>>121218683
Looks like a shitty Shinbo rip off.

>>121218820
Surfing stands for youth. Outdated values are still carried on by the current youth - the cast of Utena.

>>121218738
That was pretty cool. You know the name of the animator?

Ikuhara is a textbook hack.

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>>121218848
It's true though. In a sense it considers the story of Jesus as a metaphor for social progress given the thick feminist context, would probably be the best way to describe it.

>>121218885
>>121218915
kek. Though in terms of deepshit Oshii is much more to my taste.

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>>121218890
>>121218860

Fun things are fun
Retarded symbolism is retard

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>>121218880
If you don't like Ikuhara's sense of humour, you might just be the biggest pleb of all.

>>121218880
>skunk juice
>farts

>>121218955
He can be pretty tasteless. I didn't like some fanservice scenes in Penguindrum.

>>121216566
This. It was full of toilet humor, I couldn't stand it after 3 episodes. Yuri Kuma is great though, best of the season. That doesn't say a lot though considering the current season is shit.

>>121218935
>tfw just finished Patlabor 2

DAMN that was good.

>>121218955
I'm glad to be a pleb if being a patrician means liking the comedic aspect of farts and other ikuhara's nonsense and stupidity

>>121218977
There's a scene where the penguins farting is played as comedy, and in Utena too there's something like that with chuchu

>>121218989
Go! Utena Precure is amazing.

>>121218986
I wonder why he felt the need to sexualize Ringo so much

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>>121219042
The comedy/fanservice in Penguindrum was 2ridiculous4me

>>121219042
>so much
It was only for 1-2 episodes. It was supposed to be shocking, like Akio fucking Anthy or Utena.

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>being this bothered by toilet humor and fanservice in your DEEP SYMBOLISM anime
Is this what they call pretentious fags?

>>121216463
I agree.
The Characterization is better in Utena and that's it. It's really hurt by the fact it's a year long series and the pacing suffers greatly for it.
I applaud the effort to grow secondary and even tertiary characters as much as Utena does but in the end it spreads the series too thin and too long.
Great ending though.

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>>121219270
I don't remember it being only 1-2 episodes. It was throughout the whole series

>>121219382
Sure fire sign of a pleb when they think Utena is too long.

>>121219270
>It was supposed to be shocking
It would have been shocking if they didn't add retarded comedy bits after the attempted rape.

>>121217169
Except for the deliberately obtuse verbosity it's mostly right. Although this sentence:
>The invisible storm illustrates that the self-interested and self-sufficient individual remains the ideal, in which the centering of rational choice and a capacity of transcendence both occludes group-based harms of systemic oppression and conceals the complicity of individuals in the perpetuation of systemic injustices.
Isn't very good because it's factually incorrect when it comes to nip society.

>>121219382
>The Characterization is better in Utena and that's it
Stopped reading there.

Ikuhara shouldn't be allowed to write. He's a director, not a writer. Utena was good because Ikuhara could focus on the direction while Enokido took care of the writing.

Ikuhara has surrounded himself by yes-men and nobody challenge him anymore. During his run on SM, he had Junichi Satou and Enokido for calling him for his bullshit, when he made Utena, he had Enokido. Now he's by his own

>>121220487
>Ikuhara has surrounded himself by yes-men and nobody challenge him anymore.

Like every "famous" director ever. They're all shit nowadays because people praised them to death.

In a way it's a good thing that Kon Satoshi died.

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>>121220617
Ikuhara is still a great director, he just needs to be tied to a pole again.

>>121220673
Well yes. I like YKA a lot actually.

>>121220749
First episode was meh-tier but it's been redeeming itself

>>121220487
Nice meme opinion.

>>121216207
>I mean yeah Penguindrum was great

Are you fucking serious right now?

Because his series are play like

>>121216463
The only thing Utena was guilty of was the fucking disgusting amount of stock footage and painfully repetitive MOTW formula.

>>121218303
>One is about growing up and the other is about homophobia. How is that hard to understand?
Which one is about homophobia and which one is about growing up? It's just that hard to understand.

>>121220857
>complaining about stock footage
>complaining about episodic motw

Pleb detected.

>>121220979
>It's just that hard to understand
This might be intellectual boundary for you.

>>121220857
Repetitive scenes were fitting to the show, even if it was also used to save budget.

>>121218738
You're a cheeky cunt. Trying to lure people in with the op when the show itself isn't nearly as interesting or well animated

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>>121221224
He's clever.

>>121221162
It gets really old and even insulting when you have 3 cours packed with it.

>>121221287
Nobody cares about you're feelings. It's not like you paid for the anime anyway.

>>121216207
>I am a plotbabby