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his stubbornness is really getting on my nerves. does it get

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his stubbornness is really getting on my nerves. does it get better as the series goes on?
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>>121023656
Why do people think that it's such a horrible line anyway?
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>>121023886
Because they've only seen it out of context.
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>>121023656
>DEEN
No, it doesn't.
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>>121023656
>>121024499
yes it does, watch the UBW movie
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>>121025878
You are cruel
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>>121023656
It seriously only gets worse.
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>>121023656
You'll appreciate his stubbornness by the time UBW rolls around.
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>>121023656
Yes. He loses his stupid "Saber is a girl so I should be the one fighting" mindset faster in the other routes. Not entirely, but mostly.

If you are actually watching DEEN though, you should stop.
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>>121026334
The whole "you're a girl" thing is a coping mechanism for his need to be the one to sacrifice himself for others. Shirou isn't anymore sexist than your average Japanese dude, reality.
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>>121024396
This. They never watched anything Fate related to see that Shirou doesn't die when he's killed, and his next line is "that's the way it should be."
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>>121026471
Also, it was also to signify that Arturia is actually a boy that was transformed into a girl.
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>>121026010
The UBW movie is fucking amazing. Great OST, and awesome fight scenes. I finished it today and yes, I'm an anime only fag. I finished the 2006 Fate Stay Night series a few days ago and liked it, the characters were the best part for me as I found every singe one likable. I'm planing on watching /Zero and the 2014 UBW series next.
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>>121027564
>Only anime
>Deen
Die
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>>121027564
You have trancended bait right into realm of shitposters
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>>121027564
Fuck yeah. UBW movie was also God tier. I'm going to watch Fate Zero next as well.
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>>121023656

No, gets worse.
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>Anything with pissrou
>getting better
Don't delude yourself
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>>121028362
Shirou is the best character Nasu has ever written.

Take that as you will.
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>>121026471
No, it's Nasu's way of reminding us that we should fuck Saber
http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/nasu-kinoko-takeuchi-takashi-urobuchi-gen-special-forum.html
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>>121027564
>>121028302
I've only seen Fate/Zero and thought it was superb. Not gonna watch the new Fate Stay Night because I've heard it's the worst part of the Fate series and was also based on an a old hentai game :/
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>>121028781
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>>121028484
Nasu is a setting writter we already know that but, best character, nope.
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>>121028888
One reason why Shirou's character is an interesting one is the fact that you see what comes from his ideals with Archer. Shirou alone is one of the better, more thought-out Type-Moon characters, but if you consider Shirou and HS Emiya one and the same (Which I personally do) he's easily the best.
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>>121028781
Same. But I'm still gonna watch the Fate Stay Night remake because it's from the same director of Fate Zero, so the fight scenes should be good and make it worth watching. I haven't caught up with the remake because I've been to busy catching up on Fairy Tail.
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>>121023656
It gets worse until you hit Heaven's Feel.
Then he actually becomes somewhat of an enjoyable character.
I dropped the UBW anime because of him
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>>121028781
>>121029242
>Fairy Tail
Your opinion is automatically discarded for shit taste
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>>121029430
Your taste is shit
UBW > HF > powergap > Fate
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I think Shiki Tohno is worse
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>>121029602
You seem to have mixed up ">" and "<"
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>>121029430
He grows on me on every route
When his depression over being the only survivor of the huge fire in Fate
When Archer starts berating him in UBW
When he gets Archer's arm in HF
I don't think anyone disagrees that he's always bad at first, on every single route
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>>121029602
I believe you've made a mistake
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>Only Rin and Ilya are the real Masters in FSN

nasu pls
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>>121029825
Go away Archer
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>>121029620
Shiki is a pretty average MC.
The moments he goes insane because of his blood is fun though.

>>121029815
To be honest, I don't really remember Fate that much.
In UBW, he was intolerable (while less intolerable in the VN than in the anime) throughout the entire thing. Though this is more personal, I didn't like the final fight and conclusion because it felt really forced.
The end of HF was awesome. It was just Shirou getting the shit beat out of him and then dying to prevent Angry Manjew from fucking things up.
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>>121027564
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>>121028888
Shirou is the most fleshed out character by far. The guy has multiple character arcs. Between UBW Shirou, HF Shirou, and Archer there's no competition in terms of depth of writing.

The only real weak link is Fate Shirou.
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>>121029967
Well Bazett and Caster's Master die offscreen, and Zouken only joins the party if Shinji gets decked real early
Kotomine is also quite the proper Master, even if he's not that great a magus
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>>121030047
>In UBW, he was intolerable

Why? What was wrong with him in UBW?
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>>121030047
I wasn't too fond of Shirou in UBW either.
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>>121030237
What didn't you like about him?
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Aren't Medusa and Kotomine Nasu's favorite characters in Fate?
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This entire thread is just complete cancer
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>>121030125
I like how that Heaven's Feel is basically bunch of high school kids playing around, not really easy to find a proper magus.
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>>121030322
Heaven's Feel was all about the Masters

Sakura ate all of the servants
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>>121030322
Kotomine does a good job of killing the one scary magus, and Caster's Master is a fucking idiot
Iliya is good Master, and Rin does come from a good magus line, while the Matou family had already had no proper magus to be part of the war since the 4th
Even the 4th War had the one retarded Master that didn't even know about the Grail
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Rejoice Emiya, your wish will finally come true.
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>>121029602
Close.

UBW > powergap > HF > Fate
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There is nothing wrong with watching only the remakes. Obviously that's the way the creator intended the Fate series to be otherwise there would be no REMAKES. Faggots
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Fate zero in a nutshell, file name very related.
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>>121030400
I meant Heaven's Feel as 5th Holy Grail War, where almost every master was a kid or was affiliated with High school.
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>>121030526
Bazette, Caster's Master, Zouken aren't really teenagers
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>>121030506
This.
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>>121030622
Bazett + Casters master are dead before the story + Zouken is master only in one route.
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>>121030156
Its not really that specific in UBW, its just who he was with his war flashbacks and "I'm not allowed to have fun" and "I want to be a hero!" mentalities. Not to mention he is an extreme fucking beta. Worse than the usual harem MC.
In HF he changes a lot though. He actually mans up, protects the girl he loves, becomes a great older brother, and dies protecting world in which his waifu lives in.
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>>121030526
And pretty much everyone but Shinji is more mature and competent than the F/Z counterpart
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>>121030688
Kuzuki isn't an adult. Also, they all have a minor role anyway. If you're that concerned about the master's read some other battle royale F/SN is barely about the happenings of the HGW especially HF
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>>121030795
Well in F/Z everyone had 60 years to prepare and made a bunch of strategies, plus Risei was much more subtle with his fuckery than Kirei
In the 5th Heaven's Feel the main families only have children heirs because it happened so soon after the last one (well the Matou don't really have any heir but you know), and the two proper magus who decided to participate die offscreen at the hands of Kirei or their own Servant, and one Servant is summoned by another Servant
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Why must Archer suffer?
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>>121030903
Because no one told him being a Counter Guardian sucks
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>>121030884
Kuzuki is still affiliated with the High School?
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>>121030768
>Not to mention he is an extreme fucking beta. Worse than the usual harem MC

The dude faced a future version of himself who said his entire life would end in failure, and then told him was being a pussy, and convinced him his choices weren't a mistake. He then proceeded 1v1 the King of Uruk.

UBW Shirou faced his fears, his doubts about his ideals, his inferiority compared to his father and the people around him, and overcame it all; he reaffirmed he would still strive to be a hero, and along the way gained happiness with Rin.

How can you possibly say he was beta?
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If Nagato Tohsaka owned the land of Fuyuki then why is Rin still poor as shit?
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>>121030989
Jewels cost a lot of money
Plus Kirei screwed them over
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>>121030989
Kirei took over the finances between Zero and Fate, since Rin was too young. He fucked her over.
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>>121030903
Should have read the fine print before selling his soul
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>>121030989
She's not really that poor, she just blows everything on emerals and rubies, so she doesn't have that much left to spend
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>>121030989
Kirei can't into investment
The funny thing is that he didn't even tried to fuck her over
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>>121030903
The suffering wouldn't be complete with just constant soul shattering emotional devastation, we need some good old ultra violence to top it all off.
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>>121031034
Wasn't it that she doesn't even use all the patent-money because she's kinda ashamed for relying on what her ancestors did?
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>>121031179
I don't know, I was mosty just trying to peek under her skirt whenever a scene with her came up, but she uses sorcery to cover that shit, so no pantsu.
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UBW wasn't about Rin

It was about Archer
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>>121023656
DEEN abridging lost crucial information upon adapting. The dots are there, and connect, but it misses everything else.

Check out the visual novel for the proper way to enjoy the story:

http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=704566

http://fuwanovel.org/torrents/%5BFuwanovel%5D%20Fate%20Hollow%20Ataraxia.torrent
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>>121031335
UBW was about Shirou. He was the heroine, Rin was the figurative MC.

She's the one who initiates things, takes him on dates, and tries to fix his problems.
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>>121031335
well it was about Shiro, and by extension Archer.
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compared to typical happy go lucky chracters who dont want let anyone to get hurt i find shirou rather likeable.
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>>121030982
He wouldn't sit at the same table as Rin.
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>You are now aware you self-inserted as Emiya Shirou when you read the VN
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>>121031620
I didn't actually but I did as Shiki Tohno.
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>>121031581
He's a tsundere, he does odd things like that.

He fucks her raw, later. In between beating up an alternate future version of himself, and the strongest heroic spirit, mind you.
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>>121031650
This is by far the most fucking wrong shit I've seen in this board.
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>>121031750
I thought its pretty tame.
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>>121031672
This.
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>>121031750
Don't be hatin on Cu just because he looks good in a Magic Girl costume.
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>>121031776
Shiki's fairly easy to self insert into. Outside the random bouts of going insane he's fairly blank.

Not Shirou, though. That guy clearly has his own voice and quirks.
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>>121031709
He got the shit beat out of him, then archer decided to stop because of reasons I still fail to understand.
Shirou's power was made to conveniently counter Gil's but be complete shit against anything else.

How does that compare to straight up fist fighting Kotomine at what seems like the end of the world?
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>>121031709
That scene realy wasn't a high point for Shirou.
The build up was perfect but the H-scene was painful to read
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>>121023656
>his stubbornness is really getting on my nerves.
Is it making you cross?
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>>121029602
Everyone, pay attention. This opinion is correct.
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>>121031871
So you are literaly retarded?
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>>121031363
What is Hollow/Ataraxia? The sequel to the first VN?
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>>121031871
>He got the shit beat out of him, then archer decided to stop because of reasons I still fail to understand.
You must be really bad at reading. Like wow.
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>>121028781
>:/
Here's another reply.
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>Shiki
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>>121031989
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>>121031941
Yep, that's right. Check it out after you complete Fate/stay night.
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>>121031945
Because he thought Shirou's dream was beautiful?
I don't see that as a reason to stop killing the guy since you know he will be you in the future.
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>>121032039
I will. Thank you anon.
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>>121032037
Shiki just won't take no for an answer
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>>121032072
I think that's a pretty good reason to stop killing the guy. And a Shirou who's had the realizations that UBW Shirou has is very unlikely to become Archer.
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>>121031989
Tsukihime manga sure is another thing
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>>121031871
>then archer decided to stop because of reasons I still fail to understand.

Archer was having a post-life crisis. He lived his entire life without regrets, but spent his afterlife endlessly killing for Alaya. Through this, he started to think his past choices were a mistake; he grew cynical, and wanted to lash out against himself and his father for making him the way he was.

In UBW, he repeatedly tries to get Shirou off the path he was going down, but he keeps on failing. By the end he figures he'll just out and out kill him. He knows it likely won't change his future, but he doesn't care. He just wanted to take his anger out. The trick is is that Shirou's relentlessness in the fight starts to get to him. He sees the unfiltered idealism he used to have. Shirou doesn't break, and leaves him basically in awe. He starts to question if his choices were actually wrong, and by the end, he reaches the same conclusion Shirou does. It wasn't a mistake.

I swear 90% of the people who don't like UBW don't actually understand the story.
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>>121032072
Just stop and leqrn to read.
Also unrelated but no Shirou from the VN becomes Archer.
Fuck Archer straight up says that he's just letting out his anger on someone who looks like his past self
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>>121032253
It's pretty fucking good. It seems like F/SN and F/Z were cursed with shitty manga adaptions
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>>121032254
>In UBW, he repeatedly tries to get Shirou off the path he was going down
He was trying to kill him from the beginning
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>>121032346
Why is the moon always so insanely fucking big in like every Japanese everything?

It's like the drones have literally never looked up before.
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>>121032254
>I swear 90% of the people who don't like UBW don't actually understand the story
This is true for all of F/SN and you probably also, don't understand it as well as you think you do.
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>>121032394
Nope. If he just wanted to kill him, he would have done it countless times. He wanted to change Shirou's ideals, and if he kept going at them, completely crush them.

The fact that he couldn't is what led him to break.
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>>121032394
If he really wanted to kill Shirou from the very start, he had plenty of opportunities to do so. He only gets violent when Shirou says something particularly grating about saving people at Ryuudo temple, and even then pauses to give some more condescending speeches.
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>>121032455
Well if I'm wrong on something, please hit me up. I'm willing to listen.
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>>121032452
I'm pretty sure that's not limited to just Japanese stuff.
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What does /a/ think of

http://youtu.be/YTSVI5cp8dw
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>>121032072
It seems like you actually missed a pretty major thing, admittedly people often miss it. Why didn't Archer kill Shirou when he was walking him home earlier in the route if his only goal was just to kill Shirou with his own hands? His original goal was to try and direct Shirou away from being a hero peacefully, but he threw that goal away when he remembered how stubborn Shirou is after the first fight with Caster. During the fight with Shirou, Archer accepted that this Shirou wouldn't become like him so 1. the paradox would never happen because this Shriou isn't him and 2. Shirou's ideals in a form where he accepts his limits are beautiful and worth keeping. Therefore, killing Shirou was pointless and Archer lost the will to fight.
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>>121023656
Every thread until it gets a response.
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>>121032491
Caladbolg says hi
>>121032503
Yeah because his ultra edgy remark about how it would be better and easier if every citizen dies was totaly not to provoke
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>>121032576
I bet it was this scene specifically that made Fate/stay night explode in popularity and fascination
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>>121032633
Caladbolg was directed at Saber not Shirou, he was trying to take Shirou out of the war because winning the war in his own life is what inspired him to put every ounce of his will into being a hero. It really is extremely obvious if you actually thought about these things. The first time Archer tried to kill Shirou was at the temple.
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>>121032566
>Why didn't Archer kill Shirou when he was walking him home earlier in the route if his only goal was just to kill Shirou with his own hands?
Same reason he doesn't just kill him in Fate and HF.
Because he is allied with Rin against a bigger thread
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>>121032541
You commented with backhanded and pretentious remark about people not understanding UBW. He may of been wrong but there might be aspects of F/SN that he has more knowledge than you on. My point is don't claim people haven't read the VN because the misinterpreted a scene.

If you think you understand it so much feel free to tell me everything you know about F/SN, although I could care less.
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>>121032576
*unzips dick*
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>>121032562
Didn't even open it.
>honest trailer
As opposed to a dishonest one?
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>>121032641
That scene made every other sex scene in the game disappointing.
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>>121032562
This is weird since I like the show, but things like this are way funnier when they trash on what they're talking about. This is way too positive to be funny.
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Fate>HF>UBW
In my personal opinion that has no effect on your own personal opinion.
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>>121032778
I commented on that because I've seen this conversation half a dozen times before. People who don't understand the Archer vs Shirou fight, and then act like it was an asspull or something.

You could fucking practically make a copypasta response to it.
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>>121032562
>"Watch as Shirou strives to become a hero of justice... by getting saved by his servant, saved by his enemy, saved by his enemy servant, and getting saved by his enemies servant's servant."
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>>121032892
And it's still shit, Jack
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>>121032576
That creator regrets forcing those h scenes into th VN, seeing as how the concept of sex to restore mana has been reconnected in the more recent adaptations of the Fate universe and newer versions of the Fate Stay Night VN are all, "all ages" only.

The reason why H scenes were included were because all VNs were read for at the time were H scenes, and not having those would cause Fate Stay Night to sell like shit.
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>>121032975
Just because I like Fate the most doesn't mean I'm on the same level as that faggot Jack, anon.
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>>121032892 >>121033044
All me btw
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>>121033011
Except that the newest version has H-scenes.
Also the replacement scenes are pure shit and were a pure cash in for consoles
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>>121033102
I'd argue that the replacement scene in UBW wasn't that bad, but only because the h-scene was mediocre. Fate is just a touch better with the h-scene but it isn't a big deal. There is no excuse to play Heaven's Feel without h-scenes on though, it'd ruin it.
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>>121033011
>That creator regrets forcing those h scenes into th VN
Citation required.

>the concept of sex to restore mana has been reconnected in the more recent adaptations of the Fate universe
Assuming you meant "retcons", please give examples.
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>>121033067
You aren't cool anon. Stop being mean to me, I'm not Jack I swear.
>>121033011
Nasu and everyone else involved in Type Moon shit loves H content I'm sure, and the replacement scenes were garbage.
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>>121033102
>Except that the newest version has H-scenes.

Where? I own the 10th Anniversary release and they are definitely not in it.
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>>121033154
New H-scenes? Or are you talking about the Realta Nua replacements with the Dragons and blood sucking?
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>>121033067
This fucking guy. I like Saber too but he really epitomizes the worst kind of waifufaggotry.
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>>121032906
Then saying 90% of people don't the Archer vs Shirou fight rather than question their understanding of the route. Even then, there really isn't any need for a comment like that, you could simply give you're interpretation of the scene and other people will question you or add to what you say. Like a normal discussion.
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>>121033210
I'm talking about the Realta Nua replacements, up until Heaven's Feel the quality difference is negligible. I could see how people would even think UBW is better without the h-scene. As long as you play Heaven's Feel with h-scenes, Realta Nua really isn't that different from the original in terms of quality.
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>>121033154
Meh I personaly think that they realy fucked up by cutting the build up to the H-scene.
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>>121033260
Dude, the guy you're defending specifically said that he did not understand the fight. Literally and in his own words. What the fuck are you doing?
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>>121033011
>>121033102
>>121033154
>>121033174
>>121033179

Can someone please tell me what the Saber/Rin sex scene in the fate route was replaced with in non-lewd adaptions? How did they resolve the "Saber has no mana" issue without resorting to sex? An asspull? Saber turning murderous and killing people?
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