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What the fuck is this even about?
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2dep4u?
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Family values.
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>>120995911
dude helps girls with supernatural problems

that's literally it
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>>120995911
ALFIE!!

IF he was a Japanese Doctor Doolittle with an animal-tastic harem, also siblings!
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A young man helping out a bunch of girls dealing with zooanthropy
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Since this is the only thread I could find, should I use Commie's BDs or Coalgirls's BDs for Nekomonogatari (kuro)?
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>>120997301
I like Commie monogatari subs
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>>120997364
Why? Which monogatari subs are you referring to?
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>>120995911
>Bakemonogatar
>Bakemon
>Monagatari
>Monster Story
It's in the fucking name. Can you not read?
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>>120995911
tits and ass while some faggot cheats on his gf while helping people out with supernatural bullshit.
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>>120997399
his entire monogatari subs in general
kinda angry they didn't sub tsukimonogatari
also it has great typesetting
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Its about whiteknight helping bunch of girls with their problems.
He ends up making tons of waifus.
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>>120995911
It's about character drama, fanservice, and puns.
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>>120997449
Oh yeah and with a shit ton of head tilts, and a camera man hyped up on what I can assume is some new super caffeine
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>>120997486
I'm pretty sure they are still going to sub it, it's just that some of their members went on holiday or something.

Been a while since I looked it up so could very well be wrong.
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It's about a likeable and alpha son of a bitch dealing with girls with supernatural curses that reflect their personal problems.
It's pretty funny, but most of it is just the character talking. It also has great character moments and when you think they ended the character development the author goes on.
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>>120997486
>his
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It's about excellent dental hygiene.
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>>120997493
>bat will never sit on your shoulders and nibble on your head while teasing you
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It's shit. Plain and simple. I tried watching it but nothing makes sense and the dialogue is equally meaningless. My best guess is that this is a troll anime.

Unwatchable.
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>>120997551
Cocaine anon. You're thinking about cocaine.
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>>120997552
they are probably waiting for the BDs
Also I still want then to post the BDs of the rest of second season but I'd be happy if they gave us Tsukimonogatari.

Also I miss them on Jojo when they are really needed for the effects and the terrible name changes crunchyroll is doing. Meanwhile they are subbing a bunch of stuff I don't even watch.
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>>120997563
shut up anon, I'm drunk, tired and sad
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>>120995911

fucktons of fanservice and a guy helping out people haunted by ghosts


some people on /a/ will tell you its DEEP AS FUCK and handles some PRETTY SERIOUS ISSUES but I honestly think its thinly veiled excuses to put your favorite harem / fanservice show on some kind of psuedointellectual pedestal.
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What are the best subs for Nise? ANE was kind of shit for the last 2 episodes of Bake.
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>>120997638
That's not an excuse. And capitalize your sentences, at least.
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>>120997553
>alpha
>Araragi

No. If there was definition of beta, then there would be picture of Araragi next to it.
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A deep and complex story for advanced to expert level anime connoisseurs, such as myself, exploring the supernatural occurrences in sexually frustrated women through a psychological model of the occult.

best girl thread?
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>>120996015
Why was he 100% more based in hana?
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>>120997643
>but I honestly think its thinly veiled excuses to put your favorite harem / fanservice show on some kind of psuedointellectual pedestal.
It is, but it doesn't devaluate the merits of the show. It's not 2DEEP4U, but it's certainly better when it comes to characterization than not only harem shows, but most shows in general. It's well written and well directed. I can't imagine a Monogatari anime without SHAFT with its surreal visuals.
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>>120997716
Good idea anon
Bee thread
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>>120997716
Okay
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Kizu when?
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>>120997643
Pretty much. It's not a bad show, but it's not deep. The writing is intelligent, the directing is great, and compared to most fanservice harems, it's characters are a lot more well written and fleshed out.

I've only seen Bake.
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>>120997684
Now that's just bullshit.
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>>120997716
>best girl thread?
Let me fix that picture for you.
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You know your writing is shit when you literally have to force a self-reflection character because every other character sucks your dick.
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>>120997766
This year
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>>120997801
Proof? Or evidence for inductive reasoning?
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>>120997774
>I've only seen Bake.
Nise is entertaining but it's kind of a low point. After it, it goes back to be as good as Bake in my opinion
Though I remember Araragi being shy in the anime of Bake, which contradicts Neko White.
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>>120997684
Does this >>120996015
look beta to you?
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>>120997748

If it wasnt SHAFT it probably wouldnt be as popular as it is.

Ping Pong had great, believable characters and very interesting visuals, but no hot girls. It didnt stick, but I guess bakemono happens to appeal to a wide audience by virtue of the things I just mentioned.
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>>120997826
>>120997780
Obviously never read Kizumonogatari.
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>>120997816
Kiss Shot figure was announced.
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>>120997780
He does progress in that department, from Hanekawa baiting him and calling him a chicken, to full on molesting every girl in sight. But I still don't know if I'd call him alpha.
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>>120997847
I've never been a buyfag, so how do people keep track of when figures are up for pre-order? I don't want to miss getting the Kiss-Shot one.
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>>120997828
>If it wasnt SHAFT it probably wouldnt be as popular as it is.
I think you are right about popularity, but the quality itself is there in the text. Makes me wonder how it would work under another studio.
I know modern Kyoani would butcher the story (older Kyoani might work), A-1 would make it too straight foward.

For that matter I think people will rediscover Ping Pong in the future and acclaim it as it deserves.
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>>120997684
>>120997847
>>120997868
He's a masochist and oftentimes incredibly passive, but still takes the initiative and is not easily swayed. Basically, despite being a fictional character he's human enough to be inadequately described by the simple animalistic alpha-beta behavioral patterns.
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>>120997847
>Obviously never read Kizumonogatari.
I downloaded the book a while ago but haven't touched it yet. I'm sure he's probably a betafag there but seeing him later in the series it's clear character development happened.
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>>120997824
I thoroughly enjoyed Bake, and I'm planning on watching everything else before Kizu. I was honestly prepared to just brush it off as haremshit, but I was pleasantly surprised. It's got a very interesting theme with all the monsters and whatnot, and it's just a genuinely high-quality show.
>>120997931
Check the buyfag threads, myfigurecollection.net, and GSC's website.
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>inb4 landwhale crying for muh incest
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>>120997774
Bakemonogatari wasn't particularly deep, but it's going to get deeper.
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>>120998010
Incest seriously ruined Tsukimonogatari.

A great series, otherwise.
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>>120997966
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>>120997945
Also Im not hating on bakemono, it has its fans for a reason. I just think it suffers the slightest from the EVA fanbase syndrome where they really read way too much into it.
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>mfw Medusa arc
Ok, I get oddities are as real as the human that believes in them, but then by believing in them enough they can turn a human into an oddity itself, or more accurately, a human can turn itself into an oddity. What? It's so fucking surreal and I'm not sure if I'm missing something because of the writing or it's some sort of japanese culture thing
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>>120997606
>I am too stupid for everything that even has some kind of meaning
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>>120998035
>implying that seeing bat cry didn't make it the best
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>>120998035
Consider ending your existence.
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Let's get this started.
>fug Kanbaru
>marry Hanekawa
>kill Nadeko
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>>120998076
>I just think it suffers the slightest from the EVA fanbase syndrome where they really read way too much into it.
I think any form of entertainment that makes you read way too much into something is worth those discussions. Not necessarily because it's the author's intented purposes, but because it made people think, maybe out of their confusion, maybe because they found something interesting buried there.

Dunno. I don't think it's bad up until the deepfags appear and shove their annoyance up in everyone's faces.
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>>120998133
good point, bat a shit
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>>120998035
Haven't yet watched Tsuki, but have read enough threads about the bath scene. How did incest ruin it? Such a huge part of Monogatari is the incest, whether it's depicted or implied. Who cares?

The only argument I can see is that it's unnecessary outside of fan-service, but if that's the case, you're watching the wrong show.
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>>120998163
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>>120998171
That should be the goal of any medium. An author might have a different intended meaning, but as long as it provokes thought and discussion, what's the problem?

>>120998163
>fuck cat
>marry bat
>kill snake
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>>120998181
Because it is very unnecessary.

I thought the dialog was fun, but paired with araragi fondling his sisters tits is just weird.

I thought the toothbrush scene with Karen was weird too.

What is with the incest?
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>>120998181
>Such a huge part of Monogatari is the incest, whether it's depicted or implied. Who cares?
It's funny to rewatch Bake and see that scene with Araragi telling Senjougahara that being a siscon is just a fantasy
or is it metacommentary? deepest lore
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>>120998163
>fuck Nadeko
>marry Kanbaru
>kill Hanekawa
As much as I dislike Snake, cat has to die.
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>>120995911
It's a bout a Vampire detective guy who goes around solving supernatural/paranormal events with the help of his friend who happens to be an expert on supernatural/paranormal things. Also, the victims of the cases he solves are 100% of the qt 3.14 waifus that he adds to his never ending harem.

Also. Best girl is neko.
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>>120998163
Fuck Hanekawa
Marry Senjougahara
Kill Sengoku
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>>120998233
Back to Kotaku.
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>>120998233
You're stupid as fuck, the incest made it better.
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>>120998233
>>>/kotaku/
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>>120998233
>I thought the toothbrush scene with Karen was weird too.
I thought it was kinda brilliant because both discovered they were into it. I think Hanekawa taking a bath with Senjougahara was weirder in the context of the story.
Haven't watched Tsuki yet though.
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>>120998244
>fuck Phoenix
>Marry Bat
>Kill Hanekawa
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>>120998163
>fuck snake
>marry Kaiki
>kill crab
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>>120998163
Kill Cat
Fuck Monkey
Marry Crab
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>>120995911
Bake - monsters
Monogatari - stories

Stories about monsters duh
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>>120998278
>>120998287
>>120998307
Dumbasses, tell me why the incest is important.

>>120998314
Anyone who has a sister knows its nothing like that. Its just straight up pandering to people who don't have actual sisters.

> I think Hanekawa taking a bath with Senjougahara was weirder in the context of the story.

It just showed that they're bisexual as fuck.
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>>120998367
Back to tumblr, you greasy whale
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Why does everyone call Bake the high point of the series? The second season has to be one of the most enjoyable things I've ever watched. The time travel arc, Neko: Shiro, Hachikuji, and Kaiki were all so fucking good. Seeing Senjougahara getting emotional at the beginning of Shiro was cool too.
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>>120998390
How can you call me greasy when you haven't showered in days?
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>>120998398
>Why does everyone call Bake the high point of the series?
Hipster creed. Because it came first and only the original is good in their eyes. It's still a great part of the series though.
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>>120998398
Kabuki was the second worst part of the anime, after Neko Black.
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>>120998367
>Anyone who has a sister knows its nothing like that. Its just straight up pandering to people who don't have actual sisters
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>>120998486
Senjo is the biggest cuck in anime.
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>>120998398
I thought it was good, but personally I think that the series is at it's best when it's Araragi interacting with characters. Half of the second season doesn't have him in it. Still really good though, just Bake seems much more complete-ish is the best way I can think of to describe it
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>>120998434
I just showered an hour ago.
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>>120998367

Sounds like you had shit sisters
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>>120998525
And you still smell like shit, jesus.

>>120998534
My sisters are doctors.
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>>120995911
Exactly how it looks like. Another generic echi harem shit. Slowmotion some scenes so they can brag how artistic it is.
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>>120998390
Honestly, I can see why incest might rub people the wrong way. I'd never think of my sister that way and I imagine a lot of people feel the same
That doesn't stop incest from turning me on in hentai though. It's OK when other people do it

>>120998456
What did you hate about Kabuki? It's honestly one of my favorites.
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The flashing texts bugs me so much.
Jeeeesus, don't make a show where I have to pause every 10 seconds.
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>>120998367
I don't think it has anything to do with how important it is in the context of the show. It IS pandering, but there's nothing wrong with that. It knows what it's doing, it's entertainment first and foremost and not something super deep that needs to be void of any fun for it to be meaningful.

Others have said the purpose of these scenes are to parody sis-con, I personally have no idea, but who gives a shit.
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Anyone have the Saw/Expected/Got for Bake?
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>>120998456
Mostly because it was the book was butchered into just 4 episodes, it holds the record for most adapted pages per episode in the franchise.

They cut almost all of the Shinobu fanservice too.
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>>120998559
>My sisters are doctors
While you sit at home shitposting on a board you don't even like. Also, them being doctors has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
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>>120998591
I felt the same way at first, but I ended up liking it by the end of Bake

It's not really important, and it makes repeated viewings interesting because you catch things yo didn't the first time
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>>120998591
Don't watch SZS.
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>>120998628
Yes, the original argument was how the incest detracts from how good the show is because it panders to a small group of fetishists.

If the incest had some sort of impact on the story that made it more understandable, but its just there to pander.

And pandering isn't wrong, but when it is for incest, I think its disgusting.

Do you disagree?
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>whining about fanservice
Monogatari does this thing, where when an important conversation happens, it's accompanied by some sort of fanservice so the retards don't stop watching.

Pic related: one of the most important character moments in the series.
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>>120998701
>I don't like it so it's bad
Again, back to tumblr.
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>>120998701
Please leave and never come back.
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>>120998701
The show IS pandering. There is nothing to it other than that.
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>>120998732
>>120998738
No. Shutup. Incest is wrong.

>>120998765
But that is wrong. There is a lot more to the monogatari series than some incest shit.
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>>120998701
Yes, I disagree. I have a sister and I'd never see her in a sexual way, but I don't mind incest in media or in real life. I can distance myself from the characters enough to enjoy the incredibly well made scenes in Nise/Tsuki.
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>>120998701
>If it's not pandering i like, it's awful
Incest is fine.
Lolis are fine
Yuri is fine.
I don't like Yaoi but it's fine.
Most if not all pandering is fine.

If you aren't a bitch pandering won't bother you.

>>120998780
Bitch.
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>>120998780
>There is a lot more to the monogatari series than some incest shit.
That's why he didn't say INCEST pandering, you fucking retarded legbeard. Kill yourself and stop bitching about the show because you're too autistic to let one element you don't like from making you go into a frenzied rage.
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>>120998780
>Shutup. Incest is wrong.
Why? Explain it rationally. And don't try the "children with genetical deficits" argument, because we both know that Araragi and his sisters will never have children.
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>>120998815
>I have a sister and I'd never see her in a sexual way

Would she think the same if she knew how much you liked the scene in Tsukimonogatari? Probably not.

>>120998816
Yeah, its fine. Doesn't mean it can't detract from a good story/show/anime/whatever

>>120998821
You're retarded, Kill yourself.

>>120998854
Family should take care of eachother, not fuck eachother. Retard.
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TL;DR- it's about an alpha/beta that helps girls with supernatural problems while cheating on his gf and lots of fanservice and incest
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>>120998892
I showed my sister the toothbrush scene in Nise
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>>120998780
>>120998892
This must be some next-gen level bait.
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>>120998854
>asking him to explain it rationally
O i am laffin. Even if incest does end in a child, it's still not an issue unless the kids of incest have kids. When you and your sister have a baby together, the odds of it being fucked up are like 2% higher than two non-blood related people. It's a scare tactic to keep people from inbreeding for generations and then getting government money for all their mutant kids.
>>120998892
>ignores everything I said
>lol retard kill urself
Back to fucking tumblr already, jesus.
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>>120998892
Sounds like he's telling us to go home and be family men
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>>120998914
>cheating
It's not cheating if she approves it.
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>>120998892
>Would she think the same if she knew how much you liked the scene in Tsukimonogatari?
We watched most of monogatari together. We're comfortable enough with each other to not make it awkward. Checkmate.

>Family should take care of eachother, not fuck eachother
Why not both? It strengthens the bond, doesn't it?
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>>120998398
Because people are dumb as fuck and the show gets more complicated the longer it goes.

>>120998591
You're not supposed to pause. You read what you can, then if you miss something, you just miss it and move on.

>>120998701
>incest
>disgusting
Yes, I disagree. Now fuck off.

>>120998892
Making tender love to each other is taking care of each other. Retard.
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>>120998983
>Doesn't like incest scenes in a series
Its like hating pies because blueberry pie exists
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>>120998962
If you were comfortable then it means you understand how unrealistic and fucking retarded it is. It contributed nothing to the show except some dumb fetish and it sucks ass for that.
I'm ignoring the second half of your post because you're trying to counter troll me.

>>120998954
Shutup

>>120998983
>Making tender love to each other is taking care of each other. Retard.
No its fucking not, retard. That is called rape. Idiot.
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>>120998932
My sister showed me that scene.
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>>120997724
Because he literally went through hell before Hana
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>>120999011
Mods please, this guy is way too obvious and doesn't want to back down.
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>>120997797
>main antagonist
>"forced character"

kill yourself
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>>120999011
>consensual sex is called rape
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>>120999011
>No its fucking not, retard. That is called rape. Idiot.
Okay, that's it, abort. This person is either clinically retarded or trolling. It was fun, though.
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>>120999011
>That is called rape
>Making tender love to each other
Proof that people from tumblr are mentally ill. I also appreciate your captivating rebuttal to my statement, "Shutup". Really breathtaking stuff.
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>>120999084
I was the only one who said any of that, you fucking moron.
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>>120999011
consensual tender love
>rape
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>>120999084
Only one person said you were from tumblr.

Get out, you ruined the thread.
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>consensual sex between siblings is rape
This has to be a troll. I refuse to believe anyone actually thinks any sexual encounter between siblings is automatically rape.
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>>120999111
Double trips confirm

get the fuck out, moralfag
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>>120999123
It's not even about being a moralfag, it's just plain retardation.
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>>120999117
Tell that to the court of law, fuckface.
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>>120999160
Depends on the country.
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>>120999117
It probably has to do with the train of thought where if sex between siblings is illegal, then it must be rape. Like "statutory" rape.
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Why is it so fuckable
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Is Shinobu the Ryan Gosling of interpretive dance?
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>>120999209
Because it's a guy.
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>>120995911
It's a show about a teenage boy getting over his sexual urges in various stages in his life while helping those helpless girls getting over his sexual urges for his dick. It's a fucking harem show with shaft doing it.
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>>120999229
But Ougi is a girl!!
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>>120999262
Of course he is, he's wearing a skirt.
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If araagi is a vampire why doesn't he die in sunlight, or drink blood?
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Ougi thread?
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>>120999160
>mfw it's not rape as long as it's not vaginal penetration
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>>120999160
And this is why democracy sucks. Something is illegal, then people think it must be bad because it's illegal, then the election time comes and people remember that it's bad and vote for the politicians who support keeping it illegal.
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>>120999322
In bake it mentions he needs to drink blood once a month, which I presume means he continues to drink Shinobu's blood to remain a pseudo-vampire and limit her abilities.
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>>120999322
He's so weak he doesn't even qualify as a vampire.
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>>120999325
She is always a best girl!
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>>120999352
But doesn't Shinobu drink HIS blood?
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>>120999374
Yea, she's still a vampire - albeit an empty shell of one - so she needs to drink blood to survive.
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>>120999322
Because his vampire powers are reliant on Shinobu's vampire powers, and Shinobu is a weak ass vampire now.

>>120999352
In the novel? I don't think it mentions that in the anime, at least. Granted, I've only seen it three times, but the last time was just recently.
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Snake is my favorite.
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>>120999435
"I didn't watch second season."
—Anonymous
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>>120999419
I've only read the translated LN's but it's mentioned that he needs to continue drinking blood every month in one of the cards during Bake. I'd find it, but I'm not sure which episode it was in.

Maybe someone else can confirm this?
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>>120999475
Because Neko was boring as shit and dropped it.
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>>120995911
It's haremshit that plebs think is "artistic" and "deep" because of minimalistic backgrounds, headtilts and pointlessly long-winded dialogues about nothing.
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>>120999525
>dropped it
Then why are you here?

I swear this is the only show where faglords who dropped it at some point come into threads to shit it up an think their opinions are worth anything
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>>120999603
Wrong, I do that with Chuu2 and Spice and Wolf.
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>>120999603
It isn't any surprise Hanezawa is worst girl and has the highest drop rate.
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>>120999529
/thred
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There's no plot

There's nothing in this show. It was made for only one purpose.

To make us hate each other and complain all day who's The Best and The Worst girl.
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>>120999747
>gasp
>heresy
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>>120999747
The point of the show is in the damn name.

Its a monster story.

Its about apparitions.

They're only there because people believe it, yadda yadda.

Kizu fucking when?
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>>120999747
We all know Crab is best girl, why are we discussing this? We should talk about best instead.
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>>120999747
But anon, having no plot and only focusing on characters is high literature.
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>>120999851
Yeah, this guys right. We should be talking about Snail
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>>120999622
It's mistranslated. It was Shinobu that needed to drink his blood. And that ended when she started living in his shadow.
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>>121000053
>And that ended when she started living in his shadow.

Can he still power up by having her drink his blood?
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>>121000053
No. She still needs to drink his blood. They just mentioned it in Tsuki even.
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Bakefags pretending that its a deep anime but its actually another generic cliche harem shit
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>>120997847
>Kizumono is first book
>Not becoming alpha as time goes on in different arcs
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>>121000255
Nobody goes around and pretends Bake is deep.
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>>121000053
My bad, that makes more sense. I spend an unnecessary large amount of thinking about their link because the only information I have is the anime and English LN's.

I'm a huge faggot
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>>121000255
Okay, say what you want about the monogataris, but generic is just not true. And it's not that deep, but it has some really well written characters.
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>>120995911
Worst girl wins immediately
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>>121000081
Yeah, and then weaken his vampirism by drinking hers.

>>121000129
From Tsuki, the book:
>当時の忍は、まだ僕の影に縛られてはいなかったので、定期的に血を与えなくてはいけなかったのだが
>Shinobu at that time was not yet bound to my shadow, so I had to regularly give her blood

Seems to imply it was only before she was in his shadow that he had to have her drink his blood
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>>121000589
>>121000255
>>120999639
>>120999529
just fuck off already
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>>121000750
No it implies that Araragi had to give Shinobu blood more frequently before she lived in his shadow. Yozuru specifically mentions that Araragi can continue giving blood to Shinobu in order to feed her without advancing his vampirism, but giving her enough to power up would be an issue.
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>>121000750
>>121000865
I assumed what kept him from returning to being a full vampire was the he fed on Shinobu occasionally to keep him and her weak, but then when his blood is drained he becomes more vampiric.

But as >>121000053 said, drinking her blood is mistranslation.

So what exactly keeps him from returning as a vampire then?
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>>121000984
He already has reached a balancing point where both he and Shinobu are too weak to qualify as vampires Now he just gives Shinobu blood to keep her alive.
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Japanese wordplay.
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>>120997301
Coalgirls's
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>>120995911
The Royal Tenenbaums: The Chinese Cartoon.
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>>121001194
Don't. Commie's BD releases look better and take up less space. I'd only ever get Coalgirls for Bake because their batch has an easy muxing script for the commentaries.
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>>121001074
The only way I can think of them both returning to full vampires is if Shinobu drinks all of his blood.

>musings of a weeb with nothing better to do at 4 am
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>>120998113
you're missing eating a talisman
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>>120998616
>Anyone have the Saw/Expected/Got for Bake?
this one?
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>>121001584
I'd put a Playboy in what I got.
>I read it for the articles!
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>>121001439
oh yeah, but it's still weird because oddities don't exist while at the same time they do
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>>121001842
Yea, they only exist because humans believe in them, and they don't exist when humans don't believe in them. It's a makeshift existence. Kaiki is an example of this.
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>>121001842
the monogatari series is all a play on words and kanjis.
remember how omoi means literal weight too and thus how the crab worked?
remember how the kanji for shinobu is literally the kanji of heart under the kanji of blade?

there's a saying that goes "until someone says still says your name, you are not truly dead"

So basically there was a shrine dedicated to a snake god, but it was forsaken. Then Nadeko started going there and killing snakes for the curse and shit and thus started re-enacting the snake god cult, and thus the snake god was an entity again.
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>>120998914
Excellent summary! You even combined the reasons the previous anons wrote about.
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>>121002024
How does Araragi deal with Ougi? Does he just tell it to fuck off?
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>>121002159
I cant answer that for sure, but would presume, exactly how they deal with every oddity, each character has had to accept the repressed feelings their oddity manifested as. Araragi would have to do the same
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>>121002304
Ougi is such a boring apparition.
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>>121002346
It's a qt though.

How long till it's main arc?
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>>121002024
Nadeko only became an oddity because of talisman, which had the powers of a god sealed in it. All Nadeko created by herself was her Kuchinawa-san delusion, not a proper oddity.
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>>121002405
I don't care.

Kizu just better be good for how god damn long its been.
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What about crab do people like, anyway? She would have chosen anyone that had gone out of their way for her. Araragi didn't even have a clear reason for choosing her; just accepting her feelings and going along with his lust. Certainly, there are worse characters than her, but her appeal is beyond me.
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>>121002507
Tits.
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>>121002346
>one of the most interesting characters/personalities in the show by 10 miles
>boring
What the fuck?
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>>121002507
>implying loving/liking someone is a rational decision
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>>121002532
>crab
>having tits
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>>121002646
Crab is actually the best character of the entire show.
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>>121002532
If it were about tits, the obvious choice would be cat.
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>>121002739
They're both pretty busty.
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>>121002739
>If it were about tits, the obvious choice would be cat.
Liking tits doesn't mean liking cow udders.
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>>121002791
Please don't post that pedophilia crap in this thread.
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>>121002791
If I can't milk them, what's the point?

>>121002809
I agree, this is a christian image board.
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>>121002726
I love crab but implying shes only liked for her tits is just fucking retarded. they arent even that big
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>>121002865
Shinobu is 5 million years old. She isn't a loli.
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>>121002809
Thanks for starting the shitposting again.
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>>121002809
You're in the wrong place to avoid loli anon.
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>>121002891
They're kinda big.
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>>121002865
>If I can't milk them, what's the point?
You have to get them pregnant first anyway, worry about it after.
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>>121002892
>this again

This isn't 3d, the depiction is clearly lolicon - no matter what excuse you want to use to hide that fact.
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>>121002922
her real best feature is her smile
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>>121002979
You're right. That guy is a pedo.
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>>121002415
>All Nadeko created by herself was her Kuchinawa-san delusion, not a proper oddity.
eating the talisman would have done nothing if there wasn't a snake oddity to re-activate in the first place.
The shrine is proof that there was once a snake oddity. She did re-activate it, and yes only when she ate the talisman, but she didn't "invent" it.
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>>121002979
Shinobu is a shotacon.
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>>121003050
I wish Araragi didn't stop her from molesting him.
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>>121002507
>What about crab do people like, anyway?
I like how she talks calmly even when mad, it's just hot. Shame she cut her hair tho.

Bat still a best.

>>121002909
>that lion leg on her crotch
hhhhhnnnnnghhh
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>>121003050
One can dream.
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>only rip of Tsukimonogatari is still HS
WHY HAS COMMIE ABANDONED US?
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>>121003208
pretty sure there is a bd rip our right now.
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>>120997847
>Being depressed
Did you even read it?
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>>121003370
>I need to touch your boobs.
>Why?
>Because reasons.
>Okay.
>You have to say it like you mean it, I don't want to look like the bad guy here.
>You can touch my boobs, please.
>On second thought, maybe not.
asexpectedofthemaster.jpg
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>>121003551
He doesn't change.

>get's ticket to fondle boobs
>rips it up
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>>121003551
don't forget she was wearing no pantsu and was ready to give up her virginity there and then
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>>121003602
It takes all the fun out of fondling when you have permission. Hachikuji understood.
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>>120998564
>Another generic echi harem shit.
I know this is shitposting but how can anyone even believe this? Sure it's a harem but calling it generic must be the most idiotic choice I've read all week.
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>>121003672
If only that was the reason he gave up that opportunity.

JUST LOOK AT THEM.
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>>121003715
Cats are for patting on the head.
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>>120995911
In a nutshell it's about a young man who has narrowly survived a supernatural encounter and strives to help others who are suffering similar predicaments.

It's kind of nice they spared Kizumonogatari for last, as it's probably the story with the best message (suicide is bad m'kay).
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>>121003672
Why is Snail the best thing in the entire universe and why did she have to go?
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>>121003715
You're just mad Araragi ruined your fapping session
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>>121003913
I'm not sure if Owari will fill you with happiness or rage.
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>>121003913
>Why is Snail the best thing in the entire universe
pic related
search your heart, you know it's true
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so, hasn't onimonogatari been translated yet?
People said it's too cramped of an adaptation so i wanted to read it first, but I can't find it on the usual channels
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>>121004113
No. Translating Monogatari is hard so only Kisu is fully translated.
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>>121004192
t-thanks
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It's a really interestingly boring show, when it wants to be.

When it doesn't want to be, it's a weird show with an absurd amount of fanservice and cute girls.

Has some supernatural elements, but that's only about half of the plot. It is relevant throughout the course of the show, but most of the story comes from the various interactions between the characters.

It has a lot of character development and interaction, mixed with some humor every now and then when it's appropriate.

Nise is the worst offender in regards to fanservice, but is also the most fun. It's the season that has that one fucking toothbrush gif everyone likes to post.

It's more lighthearted and silly than the other seasons.

After that, they go back to doing what they usually do.

It's actually pretty good in my opinion, but you either fucking love the shit out of it or you don't understand what the point of the show is.

people also love to shit on it, because fanservice is bad now i guess?
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Bakemonogatari is a visually revolutionary show.

This is objective fact. There is literally no other show like it before in terms of aesthetics.
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>>121002427
It's arguably the story with the best underlying message. The only characters that actually get anything in the way of actual plot development are Araragi, Kisshot, and Hanekawa. The three hunters are basically just plot devices to give Araragi something to struggle against and showcase his vampire powers.
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>>121004281
>interestingly boring show
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>>121003960
I read the spoilers for the last season and honestly I'm happy with it and to have Snail around again for whatever reason.
>>121004018
I like Bat too but Snail is the best for me.
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>>121003796
Is it really about how suicide is bad? I didn't take that away from it at all. Perhaps more that just looking for meaning in self-sacrifice is stupid, and that was his biggest mistake.
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>>121004356
I wanna see more Oshino.

And the when the movie is released are we gonna have to wait a year for it?

Jesus.
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>>120998233
The toothbrush scene was weird but hilarious, titty fondling in tsuki was just weird.
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>>121004423
I feel like a lot of the arcs touch on suicide, otori and koi especially.
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>>121004486
It's more like Araragi spends most of the series on an extended suicide watch for Shinobu.
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>>121004539
She gets over her desire to end her life though. In the beginning its about making Araragi suffer and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for forcing her to live, but they both progress out of that.
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>>121004423
The way I perceived it, it seemed that the only reason Araragi helped Kisshot was because he was looking for an excuse to kill himself
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>It's a really interestingly boring show, when it wants to be.

>When it doesn't want to be, it's a weird show with an absurd amount of fanservice and cute girls.

>Has some supernatural elements, but that's only about half of the plot. It is relevant throughout the course of the show, but most of the story comes from the various interactions between the characters.

>It has a lot of character development and interaction, mixed with some humor every now and then when it's appropriate.

>It's more lighthearted and silly than the other seasons.

Totally agree with what you said. Somehow I always treat it as a game to see how fast I can tap my spacebar button to capture what was said. It's just visually entertaining eye candy.
Some parts were also nice, for example Monkey running herself to exhaustion in the night (before Arararargi picks her up), I always had a thing for people running to vent their troubles.

However, the death of Snail and Zombie being all serious and killing a person have dampened the mood somewhat.
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>>121004581
Yeah, but she doesn't really move past self-destructive behavior until the end of Kabuki.
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>>121004403
you can't deny that some of the arcs are unnecessary
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>>121004634
Which arcs are unnecessary?
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>>121004634
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>>121004588
Exactly, his life was meaningless so he sought meaning in giving it to someone else. The irony is that he doesn't learn from this, and continues to sacrifice himself for strangers, which you can argue is the point of the show. His life is still meaningless. Nothing ever changed.
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>>121004423
At the start of Kizu Araragi decides his life is so worthless he might as well just offer his neck to the fatally injured Kisshot. Later on Kisshot and him have a conversation about how most vampires eventually get sick of living and expose themselves to the sun. Through interacting with Hanekawa he gradually learns that his life has value and in the end he shows Kisshot that while she traveled to Japan searching for somewhere to die, her life still has value and that they will go on living together.

Araragi cryptically touches on all of this in the text screens throughout the animated adaption, saying things like how he owes Hanekawa, how she dragged him up from the darkest depths etc... All of that hearkens back to his suicidal mindset in Kizu where he felt it didn't matter to anyone whether he lived or died.
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>>121004843
Oh, I'm not disagreeing. Suicide is definitely one of the main subjects. I just felt like expanding on what about suicide, namely trying to find meaning through it, bears attention.
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>>121004843
Pretty accurate, except Araragi doesn't learn. Which is why he pulls the same stunt in Neko Kuro, but for an even flimsier reason. Then when you take Kizu with Kiss-Shot's back story you realize that by refusing to let Araragi die, she is saving herself.
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>>121005036
I probably should have made it more clear that there were two separate thoughts in that post.
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>>121005036
I actually never thought of it before as a way for her to save herself, I just thought she was punishing Araragi in her own way. Interesting.
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>>121005036
He did learn later when he asked for Shinobu's help during the Tsubasa Cat arc.
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>>120995911
This is what this scene is parodying, anon.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22239389

Do you get it now?
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>>120998163
Marry Nadeko
Fuck Nadeko
Kill Nadeko.
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>>121005198
There may be some of that, or it could have been her tsundere-ing. We do know that Kiss-Shot got absolutely sick of seeing people sacrificing their lives for her.
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which subs are best for bake ?
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>>120998163
>Fuck Bee
>Marry Monkey
>Kill Snake
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>>121005462
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22239389
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>>121005473

Fug, I should download more gatari doujins.
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>>121005509
I Never Asked For This.jpg
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>>121005462
>which subs are best for bake ?
[ANE]
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>>121001943
So then why was Kaiki affected by Nadeko's white snake shit, and how come he was able to use an oddity to neutralise her if he doesn't believe in them?
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>>120998163
>Fug Cat
>Marry Monkey
>Kill Crab
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>>121005918
>Kill Crab
>Marry Monkey

I foresee some problems there.
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>>120998163
>Fuck Shinobu
>Marry Shinobu
>Kill Hanekawa
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>>120995911

LN meta-shit
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>>121005962
Or it's the perfect plan with Crab out of the way.
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>>121005882
Because Kaiki is a goddamn liar. He regularly converses with Ononoki after he helped create her. How can he do that if he doesn't believe in oddities?
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>>121005882
I think there's probably a difference between an oddity and a god. His whole philosophy is based around lies, and he'll exploit the fact other people will believe in those oddities and lies while he doesn't necessarily need to. Did he use an oddity to neutralize her? Didn't he just rip a talisman out of her stomach?
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>>120995911
>What the fuck is this even about?
Best molestation music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqsXCJnxdBg

Reminds me of Monty on the Run.
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>>121005882
He doesn't believe in them. He knows.
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>>121005290
>If I marry her Hanekawa will be alone
>If I fuck her she'll probably kill me in a murderous rage when I try to move on
>If I kill her I cannot save her from her own craziness

Is there an opt out option?
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>>121005962
The key thing would be to do this covertly.

Kill Crab in such a way that you can never be traced and then console Monkey and use her death to get closer to her...

What could possibly go wrong?
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>>120998163
Fuck Cat
Marry Bat
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>>121006376
You do all of this within a short span of time. Maybe trick her into thinking its like forbidden or something she'll buy that crap.
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>>121005217

That was only because the Hanekawas didn't want him to sacrifice himself and pushed him to call her. Remember the stuff about making sure a shadow was visible.
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>>121006432
Well you for one.
But I'm not here to judge.
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>>121006306
Nevermind, remembered he places a low-level oddity in her to repress her memories of Araragi.
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>>121003715
Why doesn't he fly on Hanekawa's Tsubasas?
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>>120998163
Fuck Crab, marry Crab, kill Snake.
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>>121003715

Hanekawa is actually really in sync and knows he is a giant chicken if you think about it. She gives him ample permission, goes along with his pathetic attempts to dom in Kizu, and he still can't do it.

Then we have Neko Kuro, and she subtly has him heal her wound when she figures out that he was bullshitting with his act of trying to make her do whatever he wants when he chickens out of groping her again.

Then the almost kiss in Bake, how he doesn't even show signs of resisting, even with a girlfriend.

That is what made the breast coupon ticket so funny, but yet so disheartening at the same time. What with the fact he still has porn mags of class reps, her braids he cut in Tsubasa Song, and probably still her underwear from Kizu.

Her character is great, but goddamn, she must have been frustrated as fuck with him when he made that quip about her staying with him in his room, after her rejection scene in White. No wonder Tsukihi called him an idiot in the commentaries and told him to go die.
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>>121007037
I'm pretty sure we went over that Araragi is a pretty huge cunt towards Hanekawa.
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Araragi is beta. He's courageous and beta at the same time. You can definitely be both. Anyway, he has a massive inferiority complex which causes him to put the pussy on a pedestal (beta). Beta/Alpha is about how you view women it has nothing to do with how brave you are.
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>>121007237

Does the notion of beta/alpha have to do with women? Wouldn't it be his ability to lead a pack?
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>>121007195

Lucky she has such good self control, when he hugs her knees begging her not to go at the airport in Owari, she could have just dragged him to a washroom for a quickie and would not only not fight it, but she could have ravished the fuck out of him.

He is truly beta and a chicken.
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>>121007037
>>121007195
Catfags putting the pussy on the pedestal and ignoring the huge fucking elephant in the room again. She tried to fucking kill him.
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>>121007577

It would, if he didn't rely on Hanekawa and Shinobu most of the time for advice on everything. Hanekawa is pretty much a better leader intitially, and when she is free if her own issues, ten times better at getting shit done.

Including going to Antarctica to find Oshino and solving pretty much everything
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>>121007662
The two are not related at all. I'm not saying cat i perfect but how does her lashing out and trying to kill him justify Araragi leading her on but refusing to take it anywhere?

If anything you have the cause and effect mixed up.
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>>121007692
You know, Araragi does little more than talk to walls and die.

Hanekawa is too behind the scenes to be a leader. If I wanna put it in more confusing terms, I'd say Araragi is a puppet figurehead and hanekawa is the advisor.
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So I just finished watching Oninomonogatari and the snail sayonara scene

Maybe because I was spoiled, but it didn't feel that tear inducing to me
I was close to it, but didn't cry in the end.
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>>121007577
Alpha/Beta in this context is referring to the gender relationship aspect. As in the alpha takes all the women while the beta just takes what he can get. You would think that would mean he's alpha because he's doing so many romantic/erotic things with other girls. But 99% of the time those things are being done to him and he is simply reacting. The two times he initiates something alpha off the top of my head are when he strips Tsukihi and when he kisses Shinobu.
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>>121007793
It was more of a shock to me than a tear-jerker, but that's mainly because I'm incapable of shedding a tear over anything anymore.
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>>121007907
Whoa there, I almost got cut with those edges
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>>121008142
Well, my origin IS "Edge" after all.
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>>121007779

I guess I can buy that, but since most people relied on her for the most part(which us where the stress comes from partly), I thought she was the most suited to be a leader.
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>>121007753
I'm sorry for being a cunt after you dismembered my body and tried to kill me. Your fucking logic. Where is it?
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>>121008399
Once again you have cause and effect mixed up.

Also how does a wrong give you carte blanche to whatever you want?
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Are the audio commentaries worth while? I have always skipped them before.
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>>121008581
Yes. Speaking of them, I could only find the Bake commentaries translated, are there any translations for the others?
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>>121008399

The logic was probably because that came before her trying to kill him dingbat. Like where she obviously was trying to make him feel better in Kizu and he takes advantage of that, then chickens out like a coward. It has nothing to do with future events, which you are trying, rather unsuccessfully to connect to him being a chicken romantically.
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>>120995911
It's just hentai disguised as some deep symbolic shit, in a universe where everyone has their neck broken
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>>121009524
>in a universe where everyone has their neck broken
10/10
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>>121008725
There are 2 episodes of Nise as well. Nothing after that.
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>>120999475
She became infinitely better in second season.
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>>121008399
Except Araragi isn't the sort of person who cares about that shit. What is a staple to the face? Being mauled and played like a ragdoll? Fighting invisible snakes? Getting beaten into a mess and literally getting his heart broken?
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>>121009747
Yes, what he cares about is the fact that Hanekawa is a coward who lies to herself about important things.
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>>120995911
Teen drama leads to possession by animal spirits based on puns. Spirits are exorcised via dropped spaghetti. Everyone wants Ararararararagi's D because he listens to their venting. Also vampires and incest
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>>121009701
A better shit maybe
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>>121009833
The point is he doesn't use her behavior to justify his actions so why are you doing it?
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>>121009874
He doesn't come out and say it, but he does judge her for it and that does influence how he acts towards her.
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>>121009850
I can't continue the series because I know this episode will piss me off. I want to see the end of snail's story, but I fucking hate snake.
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>>121009924
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>>121009924
Are you saying he justifies flirting and leading her on because she attacked him in the past?

Those are not the parts of his actions that are influenced by it.
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>>121009944
It's okay to be pissed off, you just start hating snake like the rest of us.
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>>121002999
koyo koyo
>imagine a submissive Araragi licking Gahara's legs while she badmouths him.
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>>121009993
I'm not trying to say it's right, but there is a part of him that loves and admires Hanekawa, as well as a part that can't stand her, which is why he ends up leading her on.
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Harem thrash.
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>>121007793
I expected her to disappear at the end of Snail, I thought something was up and then it all makes sense.
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>>121010084
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>>121007602
>when he hugs her knees begging her not to go at the airport in Owari
I don't know why this is a surprise. He did the same with Mayoi
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>Bakemonogatari was 5.5 years ago
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>>121010221

Crazy how Kizu has been in development since Bake ended.
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>>121010089
same.

>>121010021
>you just start hating snake like the rest of us.
I'm halfway through Koimono and I still don't hate Snake. Can you even blame someone who is insane?
also Kaiki is growing on me at a steady pace
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>>121010267
If you don't want to blame someone for their action how can you blame anyone for anything? You might as well take a up a deterministic view on everything and then nobody is responsible for anything in their lives.

But that's not a good way to live is it?
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>>121010338
mad people belong to asylumns, not jail.
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>>121010267
Personally, it's got nothing to do with yandere snake. Yandere snake is best snake. It's everything she did that led up to that point that makes me hate her so damn much.
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>>121010338
She did crazy shit, but what did she do in particular which is so much worse than the others and gets you so mad? That she's insane? They're all a different flavour of crazy. That she spins a web of lies and traps herself inside it? Monkey, Cat, and Snail had their own forms of denial. That she beat Araragi and Shinobu every time they came? They did start those fights and eventually she would rather avoid them. That she wanted to kill everyone you cared about? Well, I'll give you that if that's what pisses you off. But she didn't get to pull through with it and her story ends when her change begins. She did change for the better though, when it mattered.

She's a stupid little girl which happened to get the coolest toy in town and you're judging her harshly despite giving everyone else lenience.
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>>120998509
Girls can't be cucks.
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>>121011054
>buttblasted snakefag writing an essay
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>>121011100
Yes they can. They are called cuckqueans
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>>121007237
Alpha/Beta have fuck all to do with girls outside of retarded 4chan definitions.
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>>121011239
Don't make up words.
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I like snake as a character in the story.
I wouldn't want to have anything to do with her though.
Well, maybe play a bit of twister.
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>>121011308
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckquean
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>>121011227
>implying implications
I like the story, not any character in particular. I'm waiting for an answer if you can pull any semblance of reason out of your ass.
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>>121011355
>Wikipedia
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>>121011385
Not even the guy you were talking to, I just stopped by to laugh at your anal pain.
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>>121010258
>Development

You make it sound like they're just making a monumental effort to make it the best thing ever and not simply that it's in development hell because production and management disagree with each other.
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>>121011054
This is brought up by snakefags in every thread.

The other girls faced their flaws and worked to get through them. Snake decided to just stay as she is and not work to fix herself even after realizing what's wrong with her. She never takes responsibility for the problems she causes.
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>>121011575
>>>/v/
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>>121010140
that neck tho
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i don't understand the constant jump cuts and stills with text they don't even give you time to read
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>>121011691
Well that makes sense. People normally lie to themselves, perpetuate their problems and avoid responsibility. I normally don't concern myself with the irresponsibility of others and I see now why people would hate her, she's pretty and precious and gets off the hook because of it.
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>>121012241
light novel notes.. you can always pause and read it, though part of the experience is the 'what the fuck just happened' when you see a LN note passing by really fast

Like Onimonogatari, with the 'Darkness' thing. Shit just sped up like mad fuck.
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>>121012225
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