She's not afraid of sex, though. And she made lots of female inmates her prison bitches through rape so she's not a newbie either.
I bet she has fucked a couple dudes as well due to circumstances. Revy is a total hardass.
I think you're misunderstanding the word "definition".
By your "definition" wherein rape is not sex/does not result in the lost of virginity; that would mean every virgin girl/woman who was raped, got impregnated and gave birth, would have given virgin birth.
So yeah, she had a dick in her and her hymen's presumably broken, Revy's not a virgin, by definition.
Aaaaalso, I know this is 4chan, but I do apologize for being a dick in my response.
It was only implied she got raped in the OVA, not the manga. The OVA changed a lot of stuff from the manga canon, so take that with a huge grain of salt. But the manga does imply she raped a lot of women in prison.
No, but only insecure purity faggots would actually give a fuck.
Dick goes into da pussy = lost virginity guys. Stop being purefags, it's bad for you and your surroundings
I want to forefully hug Revy while she struggles and swears at me until she eventually relaxes, then comfort her while her eyes start to tear up.
Nah, Revy is a weak child inside. She might be uncomfortable with sex in a romantic sense. Since she doesn't view herself as someone worthy of it. Or she might have a problem with men because of the rape and is why she is so violent and aggressive.
I don't think she's had a consensual encounter in her life, except maybe with Rock.
you're right. I take back my post. I'm ashamed. Need to rewatch black lagoon.
idk what I would do, she already has Rock and it would probably be impossible to make friends with her.
I can agree with romantic sex. Recycling is a hardass who views sex as a tool for pleasure/dominance she has learned the gist of it and has been at both sides of the coin several times.
She won't show any shame in a sexual confrontation with an agressor but will probably be arkward with consensual "good" sex with someone she likes.
What about fighting that leads to rough sex with vulnerable cuddling after?
Come on, Revy's brash bravado is just her overcompensating for thinking of herself as filth. It's an act. It's why she gets so uncomfortable when an "outsider" like Rock comes into her world because it reminds her of what she is, or thinks she is, and she lashes out in anger.
Oh my god, stop trying to make her a damsel in distress. The best thing about the women in black lagoon is that they're legitimately beasts, not ones who break down crying when a strong man sweeps them off their feet. Revy was uncomfortable with Rock because he kept trying to impose the values of a person who came from a decent life on people who didn't. I would imagine she would doubly hate somebody for trying to "fix" her too.
Most of the mercs didn't even recognize her as the cleaner at first. I imagine she is the kind of girl that would cut the dick off of anyone who tried to forcefully stick it in her.
I think she is a weak child inside and she has this hard outer persona to overcompensate for it. I mean she constantly throws fits and yells like a child when you compare her to actual adults in the series like Rock, Benny, and Dutch.
The worst part is, I think he's being serious. Holy shit.
I think the whole Roberta story flies in the face of them being just beasts. Revy is just as messed up and damaged as Roberta is inside. The only women in the series who are actual beasts are the ones who have accepted what they are fully, like Balalaika, and Revy is still uncomfortable with who she is but pretends she isn't.
>Revy is still uncomfortable with who she is but pretends she isn't.
But she absolutely isn't, though. In the past few chapters she's the one who's been guiding Rock because HE'S the one uncomfortable with who he is. She's not broken, and I think that's what people keep trying to force. She psycho and homicidal, as she should be from the life she's lived, but she isn't broken. And the same goes for Roberta. She wasn't conflicted about who she was, she was pissed that the CIA killed her loved one with no regard at all.
And again I say, this "she's uncomfortable with who she is" thing is totally contrived. She's fine with being a murderer, because it's necessary. What she's uncomfortable with is people who don't know her life trying to judge her. And that's the entire crux of her being pissed at Rock when he started trying to "save" her.
You guys know this manga is seinen? Begging for a twenty-eight year old woman in the environment and with that physique to be a virgin is rather childish (even discounting the rape). Rock probably isn't a virgin either. No adult in the show is, they're normal people not otaku-pandering tropes.
Pretty much. Whatever "inner struggle" bs you can imagine for Revy she already has gone through it and overcome it. She's just pissed off by Rock trying to "save her" by imposing his moralfaggotry.
Ironically they're kind of switching roles in late stages of the story. Revy, while still a hardass, is now more connected with her conscience and showing a bit more sympathetic side while Rock is slowly but surely detaching from his moral chains and becoming more cold and manipulative.
>implying Rock wasn't hitting that 24/7
I can only think of one.
Rape counts as physical sex yes. But if the hymen is broken before then by whatever type of masturbation or physical activity, and there is no pregnancy, or bruising/trauma, then really there's no physical evidence of the rape. As for the mind being impure, I guess it could make you mentally not a virgin if it gives you some kind of complex or traumatizes you in some way, but a lot of rape is not very physically intimate, the only skin touching is the genitals and maybe you don't even see the rapist's face, and it's over quickly. Pretty different from consensual sex, so if someone isn't traumatized then I don't see why they can't still be mentally pure.
>she's the one who's been guiding Rock
What the fuck? No she hasn't been. She is a screwed up individual and tried to get Rock to leave so many times. Someone like Rock who comes from a normal background being put in her world shatters her perception of things. She thought he would fail and get killed and it turns out Rock is the most dangerous person in her world. Not only because he is making her chance but realize things she didn't want to. He thrives in her dangerous world and that causes her tremendous uneasiness because someone like him shouldn't be able to in her mind. Just like how she couldn't survive in his old world.
Rock is coming to terms that he a type of dangerous that not even Revy can reach, but on the reverse side she is learning the world isn't so black and white. That people don't fit into such easy categories.
>Revy was pissed off at Rock because he was judging her when he didn't know her life
That's how the scene starts, but Revy's dialogue clearly shows that she has unresolved issues with how she's lived her life.
>If there's no Robin Hood, then why don't you become Robin Hood? It's got to be better than feeling sorry for yourself, crying about your hard life.
>Shut up. Shut the fuck up, dammit! I'm serious! I'll kill you!
>Then do it. Keep chasing your tail like a dog, if that's what you want. If you kill me here, then you'll just end up proving me right.
>That's all I know how to do!
How else could that last line be interpreted?
I interpret it the same way I've done in my other posts. She grew up in shit, and then learned how to adapt. Since you're quoting that particular chapter, you should also note that her primary reason for being upset with Rock was, as I said, he kept trying to impose his outsider values on her and Roanapur. The last line of dialogue before their pseudo-kiss was Revy asking Rock "Which side are you on?" And then from that moment until now, every time Rock tied to impose his own ethics on the city and people there, he came out looking like an asshole. Meanwhile, Revy became his guide. And she never bothered to try to change her personality. Because, again, for the situation she grew up and currently lives in, she is perfectly in the right by being the way she is.
Well obviously Revy fingered them during her time in the whores green room when she wiggled her fingers to them but the guy said she raped them.
Which I don't think she did because the women liked it and want to have another go.
the point I was trying to make is that her saying "that's all i know how to do" implies that if she knew another way to 'do it' (live her life) she would have. If she were defending a lifestyle that she is totally comfortable with, she would say something more along the lines of "that's the best way to do it" or "that's the way I choose to do it".
It is popular. It has been said before that once the manga picks up again and there is more source material that s3 is likely to happen.
It's also why the thought of Rock "going to the dark side" terrifies her so much (OVA's), she sees him as being representative of the life she could never have and wants to protect his "purity" at all cost.
One of my favourite mangas but I just can't bring myself to start reading the newest arc until it's finished, and the waiting is killing me
Fucking lazy mangakas man
>implying her world isn't ROCKED every night
In her mind, she is a virgin. She has all the virgin traits: talks about having sex a lot while its obvious she isn't having any, making sexual jokes all the time resulting in other people being uncomfortable (CIA and Rock), and becomes uncomfortable when another person that has had sex implies that the person isn't getting any (CIA again).
Revy is pure, like a diamond covered in filth.
And what if I raped someone? That surely counts right
Revy in no way has her life figured out or is satisfied with the way things are, both before Rock came and after. She constantly feels the need to justify herself to Rock when no other character does. Every other character see Rock for his utility, what they can offer them in terms of services, profits, and so on. Revy has a personal stake in the matter because Rock breaks her philosophical idealism. Rock has choice, which Revy feels like she never did. Rock chose to become a criminal while Revy had it forced upon her. She doesn't understand "normal" life, she's never lived it, so all she has to fill the space is what she can come up with, thus her pleasant, has-to-be-better-than-being-a-pirate view point. She doesn't dislike "normal" people, she played with those kids in Japan because she doesn't have sense of superiority or disgust in their naivety. Her issues stem not just from her fucked up past, as all the characters have one, but from her childish identification with it. There is no Revy besides her bitter reaction to a life she thinks was just on the other side of the fence. What drives her isn't profit or "a better life" but self-pity.
What she has now is a rising crisis: Rock, by committing himself to her lifestyle when he could have chosen not to, liberates her. He legitimizes her -- Revy is now a conscious participant in her life, able to do what she wants and actually have her choices lead to a change. Its a feeling she has never had before. She's in love with Rock but she doesn't know it, and her love is a very different kind of love than what we would understand. And Rock wants to be in love with her but he hardly sees her as a person because she's so beholden to him. He loves the Revy that tells him he's a piece of shit, because he is one. When she stops being that Revy though, he walks right over her.
Rock's a sword over her head. He brings up a lot of feelings and none of them are as easy to follow as "I don't have a choice in the matter, better get it over with". Revy has begun to control her own experience and construct her own interpretation and Rock just doesn't fit into a neat category. She's in love with him but she has no basis for love other than some stupid rom-com movie she's seen through locked glass displays. "Should I hold his hand? Should we kiss?" Obviously they shouldn't, but that's what people in love do right? "Shouldn't we have sex? Sex is easy, isn't it?" Not with Rock, not like some casual fling or being forced at gunpoint, she has to decide for herself so its not about feeding some urge or getting it over with to stay safe. "Do I want this? Don't I want him?" She's afraid to find her own way and to ask him to follow her, and more afraid that he might say no. But that is probably the best thing for Revy. She doesn't need Rock anymore. He's just another identity-crisis waiting to happen because he's not the stable foundation Revy needs. She needs to be alone and to be forced to self-evaluate, or else their relationship is just Rock manipulating her while she pretends she has no control over him, like whats happening now. Rock needs Revy to push back against him and to tell him when he's crossing the line but she's too afraid to admit that she has a line to begin with. If things continue as they are now, Rock will destroy her or she will kill him to escape the anxiety of it all.
tl;dr Revy's a cliche bad kid that wishes she could be good, and her recognition of her own cliche-self is forcing her to crisis.
Dunno, them having sex is a whole new level of intimacy that their actions and interactions with each other kinda suggests they haven't yet reached.
Would Revy even let Rock touch her in a familiar way?
You say hardly any, the age group you suggest is late teens. Might not be a big deal but that same age group in a western society would have no virgins so it's still conservative by comparison.
That's a good way of thinking about it. Part of the reason for her initial angst towards Rock is that she sees him as having willingly thrown away what she never had the opportunity to have, a normal life.
Revy would have sex with Rock and not be too shaken up about it if he forced it on her. As long as Revy can imagine that she has no control over the situation, she won't mind much. That's kind of where we are now, with Revy not coping well with being an individual and Rock being too wrapped up in fixing Roanpur than recognizing that he could much easier fix Revy. Its funny, but the "Its Not Your Fault" speech would probably make Revy break down worse than it broke Matt.
>You're speaking completely out of your ass.
Yes, that is an analysis over an incomplete work.
>She wouldn't have sex with Rock yet alone if he "forced" her.
Now who is speaking out of there ass?
It doesn't matter unless you're the worst kind of neckbeard.
>You. I'm not projecting my dumb fetish where it doesn't fit at all like you are.
What fetish? I don't even know what sexual act you have in mind here. Rape? Some sort of forced eroticism? I don't really care about that.
>I'm telling you how her character is.
If you think you can come to a definite conclusion to the question of "have Rock and Revy had sex" or the much more difficult "would Revy refuse Rock if he made a move" then you aren't telling, you are speculating just as much as me.
I'm not sure what you get out of accusing me of putting some fetish into their relationship. I'm making a leap from how I've seen Revy act thus far, that she isn't good with choices and prefers to not recognize that she has them.
There's no way she would let someone rape her yet alone Rock. The only person she actually answers to is Dutch. Saying she wants anyone to rape her is just needless fanfiction and inserting your fetish.
I meant forced in the sense that Revy can dissociate being culpable in it. I don't mean Rock physically holding her down and raping her. Just that in some contrived situation it could happen.
I do not think that any of those broken individuals care about sex at all, not one if them us ready for this kind of intimacy.
Revy is obsessing over her traumatic past and it would go way beyond her comfort zone to open herself up. Rock is at a point where he plays the Messiah of this filthy city and I wont even go into detail considering other characters. Also they are all cooperating under working conditions and you do not shit where you eat etc.
People like to force stupid ships on everything, but I certainly do not see anything like that happening here.
Especially not like in this cringeworthy analysis >>120945145.
>still believing in bullshit like "love"
>>still believing in bullshit like "love"
Get a load of this edgemeister.
>mfw at this rate I'll be 34 yrs. old when the next chapter comes out
I can see myself reading the final chapter of the manga with my grandchildren one day
>patiently wait the entire 4 years the manga was in hiatus
>he finally starts again
>barely does 4 chapters before quitting again
Yeah but wouldn't a new complete manga arc + new anime OVAs bring in shittons more? It would also boost the sale of all other merchandise too. I just want to fucking see the ending before I or this motherfucker die/s.
most likely he doesn't know where he wants to take the story, but at least finish the fucking arc.
he was already doing half the pages that he did before his hiatus and then doing a chapter every two months
on the other hand he maybe just got tired of it
idk ask him
>Rape doesn't count as sex, so she's still a virgin. But her mind isn't pure.
And it isn't a rape if at least other one enjoys, right?
/a/ wants to delude themselves otherwise. Shit, look at HAWK. HAWK so deluded they think Griffith from Berserk did nothing wrong. They're entitled to their opinion, as anyone else is, but expect pushback when you come in with logic on /a/.
This is why we can't have a nice Black Lagoon thread where we get confused over why Hiroe would rather make next to nothing on doujins than draw more Black Lagoon.
...careful there. You make it sound like you want to destroy my waifu.
She's my waifu. I compliment you on your taste though
I wish my waifu got that much screen-time
She will. She will.
I'm convinced when Hiroe brings the story back, Shen will get time working with Lagoon Co. as they help Chinese Agent/Revy's main competition. She's a great lady and your taste is great.
I like her too, but the heart wants what it wants and it wants Roberta.
I want to protect that smile.
I'm 99% sure someone has already said this but no Revy's not a virgin. She was raped.... by an crooked police officer.
Aside from that I've re-watched and enjoyed both the anime and Ova about 3 times with my friends! Black Lagoon is totally Amazing! not to mention it kinda has it's own unique story.
Hey kids, guess what?!?! You can rape virgins now, forever! They are always a virgrin, each time you go! It's the best thing ever invented!
Allah and your 72 virgins be praised!
>You guys know this manga is seinen?
I get what you're trying to say, but don't use "seinen" as a automatic plus for how a series will be written.
K-ON!! is also a seinen series.
Loves Roberta... a lot
>"virginity" can only be psychological.
Jesus christ people are really this dumb.
Some girls don't have hymens.
Some girls have broken hymens from tampons.
Virginity is purely psychological, man or woman, that is why rape doesn't count.
>Would you like me to sex you?
>getting this mad<
Are you playing dumb? We established that virginity is a psychological construct. Ergo a person loses their virginity when they mentally accept they lost it. Now when someone rapes them and forcefully jams a cock in their pussy, women with functioning brains accept that they lost their virginity. Unless the woman is unconscious the whole time and no one tells her afterwards or she gets sneaky fucked by God, a rape results in a loss of virginity.
>We established that virginity is a psychological construct.
Ergo, rape is not losing your virginity. It's a totally different psychological thing than sex. Rape is like getting beaten, or tortured, not like sex at all.
If we're going to throw things at each other then you were probably raped and can't accept that you lost your virginity to your drunkard father when he came home from the bar and your mom was out.
>Sex: an extremely pleasurable act with someone you probably like
>Rape: an extremely unpleasant act that someone you likely now hate forces upon you
How is rape ANYTHING like sex?
You're kind of missing the point of virginity. If we look at it from a historical point of view losing your virginity wasn't seen as something neccessarily pleasant, it was seen as something you had to do when you got married and couldn't do before. Considering someone who's losing their virginity, or thinks they are or whatever the fuck, has no idea what sex is like, and therefore has nothing to compare it to, how are they supposed to see the disparity in your post? Someone getting raped is being penetrated, and throughout recent history that has been considered virginity, so it's likely the victim would consider it that way too.
>this is the worst Black Lagoon thread in almost a goddamn year
I was about to correct you but then realized most of the shit I'm remembering is from derailed Jormungand threads. But seriously it's pretty obviously the OP that's at fault here, what were you expecting from something like that?