>Animator gets 9400 dollars annual >Seiyuu gets everything

Generally, animators are more replaceable than top tier seiyuu.

>>120776691
There are a lot more animators than seiyuus.

>>120776691
Animators do one or at least a small number of projects at a time, while seiyuu does a lot of things per season and they're treated like celebrities.

>>120776691
I'm happy with my current job as an I.T. supervisor with an annual salary of US$170,000 and I still have plenty of time to shitpost on /a/ while at work.

>>120776691

This is like being surprised the hollywood superstar gets paid more than the key grip or gaffer.

Big names can sell a series! Directors, producers or studios might sell a series too!

But invidiual no-name animators? No one watches a show just for that. They're interchangeable and disposable.

Plus, that's only for "a-list" voice actors. For every one there's like a dozen random schlubs paid peanuts and working another job to pay the bills.

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Nana thread?

>>120776798
Nana thread. Post more Nana because Nana wills it.

As long as animators are the worst paid and considered the least important, animation will remain a trash medium that deserves no respect or recognition.

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>>120776691
There are only a handful of seiyuu who get that kind of money. If you only do voice acting, you won't live comfortably in Tokyo.

>>120776691
Outsourcing and globalization to third world countries.

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>>120776691
Seiyuu lead a hard life.
Look at Zuka
Failed all your audition, get harassed for sexual favor just to land a role only to end up in the ero business and JAV once you get discarded by the anime industry.

>>120776841

That pic is depressing.

>>120776691
>>120776779
What are "a-list animators" called, if there's such a thing?

ITT: unemployed people.

>>120776777
you should buy moot a washing machine

A-list seiyuu. So like what, 2 dozen people in the entire goddamn industry of thousands?

But that lowest number always bothered me. Is she working part time? Or as a trainee or something? If she was an in-betweener or something, sure, but she's working on key frames, right? This can't be right.

>>120776889
Leading animator? Guy who does keyframes for important scenes?

>>120776942
Probably outsourcing to koreans and that's what they pay them.

>>120776889
I guess we just call them famous animators. People like Yuasa, Shinkai (?) or Umetsu.

A-list seiyuu is basically a celebrity

>>120776942
Ema is a freshie
They get paid like shit, more so when you are an animators where degree doesnt mean shit and you are judged on your drawing ability.

>>120776691
Yeah, just like how actors get paid fat stacks while the production crew get doritos and mountain dew.

>>120776826
Western animation productions pay their animators better. That industry seems to be doing better in terms of respect and recognition, right?

This is why you should buy anime

>>120776841
What is it? All I get is a page with comments like Kill Me www

>>120776691
>What the hell?
Supply and demand. You get what you can get.

>>120776889

Chief Animator? Director?

>>120776980
I wonder how come western animators have all the dosh just to make the simplest thing from flash? It seems like their ads throw money into cartoons just for the heck of it, and they can even hire celebrities to voice their cartoons.

>>120776966
Yeah, but paid minimum wage?(assuming this is income after taxes otherwise it's even lower than minimum wage) As an in-house animator for an actual animation production company working on key frames?

>>120776982
Only good anime, though.

My autism always goes mad when I see that chart and realize that CG animator (which I would like to have no at all in my chinese cartoons) makes more than traditional animator. Hope it's bullshit.

>>120777036
It could be that the ad market (even just for the US alone) is really really big, and even then that's not it's only source of revenue.

Animators get paid shit because they like what they do. If one quits, there will be another just waiting for the chance to take his job.

>>120777091
But they can use computers, anon. You need skill and talent for that.

>>120777091
They get paid extra because of the third dimension.

>>120777091
Skilled labor pays more.

>>120776939
I didn't get that, it's not like he'd even have anywhere to put it.

>>120777091
>(which I would like to have no at all in my chinese cartoons)
No one gives a fuck what you like, it works well when it's done well.

>>120777158
Show us an example then.

>>120776691

I make as much as an executive producer in japan? I seriously feel like I'm poor though, like I have hard times and don't live richly, at all. Is that graph right?

You need to be making 100k in the US to have any kind of decent life.

>>120776980

How much better though?

And how many western animation studios are there? There's not that many cartoons on tv nowadays. It's easy enough for Disney or Nick to film some shitty kids sitcom.

>>120777169
I don't have gifs and webms of that stuff saved.
Look at the example in Shirobako.

>>120776691
"A-list" voice actors are different from your normal voice actors aka the type of people you might come across on every show.

"A-list" VAs are people like Nana Mizuki and Yukari Tamura who are idols, Ono D. and Mamoru Miyano who are actors, Keiji Fujiwara and Takehito Koyasu who are company managers, and last but not least, Sugita and Nakamura who host their own show.

>>120776980
It's a great time to be an animator in the west.

>decent pay
>incredibly low standards for television series means almost no effort on your part
>movies now employ more CGI artists and animators than they do camera crews
>work is heavily divided and departmentalized to increase efficiency so you end up spending all your time animating some guy's right eyebrow or something and still pull salary

>>120777170
>You need to be making 100k in the US to have any kind of decent life.
Maybe if you have a wife and kids you're providing for.

>>120777292
Also depends where you live. Cost of living can vary dramatically.

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>>120777272
Its a great time to be in the west

Every other economy is munching dicks right now. Wonder how long it will last...

>>120777170
Sounds like you're living beyond your means.

>>120777302
this

100k in the bay area or new york is like 60k everywhere else.

>>120777322
If I made 60k a year starting right now I would be able to retire by age 35. Some people just overspend on stupid shit.

>>120777272
>movies now employ more CGI artists and animators than they do camera crews
Anon... Hollywood outsourced CGI to India. All the medium/small studios closed, it's the very few big studio backed ones still employing americans.

>>120776691
>A-list
They're big names who will win sales by virtue of just having their name appear in the credits. Of course they'll be paid a lot to get their name there.

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>>120776691
Why is this a line graph? Do you know anything about charts?

>>120777337
retiring for a neet is about the cheapest thing you can do. especially since you pirate everything anyways.

Most people need to support kids and shit.

>>120777017
The question displayed in the picture is "Can you live by only doing voice acting work?"

>>120777170
I'm in the freaking military and make more than all but one person on that chart.

>>120777396
That's frickin sad. What else do they do? Baito? Phone sex?

>>120777383
Pretty much. I live off of 25k/y right now without much issue. If I made more money it would just increase the rate at which I build my retirement nest egg.

>>120777432
They probably take a bunch of part time jobs at once so they can support themselves until they hit it big as a voice actor.
Of course, most of them never reach that point, so they just end up older and with no respectable work history.

It's kind of like idols, either you hit it big or you're left with nothing, having wasted the best years of your life chasing an empty dream.

>>120777467
>you're left with nothing, having wasted the best years of your life chasing an empty dream
Pride's a bitch on both sides of the escalator.

>>120777488
I don't get it

So how cheap is japan...? These salaries really low.

Like if I take a trip there, would shit seem really cheap or not

>>120777432
The ones with good agents also work in music. Aside from that, they have to get a regular job.

>>120777502
It's incredibly expensive, especially Tokyo. Animation just doesn't pay well for most people. It's not exactly a "respectable" profession in Japan.

>>120777502
Well, if your native currency is the euro, dollar or pound, then yes, everything is going to feel incredibly cheap.
While eating isn't terribly expensive, Japanese housing prices are beyond the roof (heh), and an average day of public travel (bus, subway, etc) will cost you as much as you'd spend in a week anywhere else.

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>>120777501
You have to chase the dream because you can't live with yourself if you don't, and then you have to deal with being a failure.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to de-lint my fedora.

>>120777503
Does Japan have phonesex?

>>120777571
>Does Japan have phonesex?
Yes.

>>120777502
The US military pays a Cost of Living Allowance to personnel stationed in Japan. In the Tokyo area, I get $600 ~ $800 in COLA with the shitty yen rate right now. The lowest off-base housing allowance rate here caps out at 155,000 yen/month. On Kyushu it was much lower.

>>120777606

How many military bases are there in Japan anyway? Were you ever stationed in Sasebo, by any chance?

>>120777632
I don't know for certain, but I can think of 7 not including Okinawa or those military housing areas that serve other bases. There are no bases on Shikoku or Hokkaido, as far as I know, and Sasebo is the only base on Kyushu.

>>120777677
Sorry, 8 bases, I forgot NAF Atsugi.

>gaijins complaining Japan is expensive
Every time.

>>120777170
Really? If I you had 100k in dollarydoos (80k US), you'd be able to live very comfortably, and Australia's very expensive too

>>120776691
Holy shit, this is like, 2 math phds worth of income.

>>120776691
That's how the world works now anon. The hardest jobs are paid nothing, people who do nothing get millions. I've seen this everywhere I worked. Even in this economy, you should create your own business if you have an idea because you can't move up the corporate ladder if you have no connections or if you're not a woman willing to spread her legs, and most jobs are outsourced.

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>>120779459
You're talking about the animator right?

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Why does it matter that animators are more replaceable? Aren't they still humans that should have a salary proportional to their hard word?

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>>120779866
D-don't bully my major, pls.

>>120780034
Good animators get promoted to be episode director, series director, chief animator and some even go on to be a studio founder..
If you cant draw well and has no talent, you will always be the lowest of the low like Ema.

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>>120780034
>salary proportional to their hard word
That's not how it works, silly.

>>120780054
It'd be more accurate to swap those pictures around if that makes you feel better anon

>>120780034
Because people don't give a fuck about that and if you complain about it then you can just be replaced with someone who doesn't.

>>120780089
But since the animation industry still needs the lowest of low they should be treated more like humans.

>>120780034
It's smart work, not hard, that pays the most. Would you like the lowest tier construction workers to be paid more than for example the architect who designed the building they make?

>>120780126
Ema isn't treated like human?
She gets long lunch break, has freedom at her work place, can dance during work hour, learn from her senpai and has less stress than Aoi.

She is freshie, it is just like medical student doing their internship. They wont get paid well.

>>120780141
No that would be pretty conflicting, all I'm saying is that first world countries that have tried evening out salaries in the workforce have generally gotten more out of it in terms of social stability.

>>120780108
>tfw pure math
B-but I'll get a million dollars for solving a millennium prize!

Why don't people grasp the concept that the chart isn't an indicator of the profit distribution of an anime?

"A-list seiyuu" describes someone who is basically an idol in every respect. They have a producer and spend all of their non-seiyuu time on TV, doing live shows, events, etc.

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>>120776691
That chart could also be profits from drug deals.

>>120780223
>muh $15 dollas

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I think the image is kind of misleading because voice actors have multiple sources of income too. They get paid for their voice acting work, of course, and they probably also make money if they opt in to do promotional appearances or stuff like radio programs, then there's the fact that they can appear on multiple projects in relatively short span of time compared to anyone else in that graphic who can maybe do 2-3 things at once MAYBE, and then depending on how successful they are, there's stuff like music sales, photo books, personal (non-character) merchandise, etc, etc...

A successful seiyuu is a money-making brand unto themself

>>120780228
Should have done a double degree with some professional degree, that's what some of my mates did

>>120780223
Social stability is not an endgame for the company that hires the animators. Unless the government steps in, they're not going to change it, and even if it does, it may only lead to complete outsourcing of the animations to Korea.

Anime does not generate a lot of revenue. It's mostly used as an advertisement for the original work, or makes profit from selling merchandise. If you wanted to double or triple the salaries for animators, this money would have to come from somewhere. Look once more at the chart - the Executive Producer, who is responsible for everything in the show, does not get paid 10x the amount of a single animator. The A-list voice actress? You could count them using only your fingers in the whole country, the rest gets crap like everyone.

My point is, there's no mystical 1% you could take the money for animators from. Anime simply does not make enough money to make it possible for the wages to be increased by a significant amount.

I'm curious what a B or C list seiyuu makes. Like someone who shows up in a few anime each season but doesn't make it as an idol.

>>120780034
>Aren't they still humans that should have a salary proportional to their hard word?
They're paid according to the scarcity of people able to do their job. Big name actors get paid a ton because they're good at it, their presence can help boost sales, and more to the point, they can leave if they decide they're not getting paid enough.
Customers will easily notice a change in actor, which can potentially hurt sales (especially if it's an important role), but an animator leaving will typically be impossible to spot, on account of animation being done by groups rather than individuals.
tl;dr version: supply and demand, animators get paid less because their product is less differentiated than that of actorss

I wonder how much HanaKana is worth now. I hear she buys extremely expensive clothes that don't even look good for shits and giggles.

>>120780416
I'm curious how many A-List seiyuu there are.

There's... Miyano... and...?

>>120780383
Still, doesn't Japan have worker's rights?

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/a/, how much do you make?

Here's some relevant article to get the discussion going.

http://zakitakubu.com/2014/07/23/how-much-do-japanese-voice-actors-actress-get-paid/

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-11-02/animator%27s-salaries

http://archive.today/pmUXe

>>120780582
Negative.

>>120780532
It would be rude to ask your superior to follow the law, they are too polite for this.

>>120777467
>you're left with nothing, having wasted the best years of your life chasing an empty dream
Since moot is left, to who do we send banner suggestion?

>>120780383
>>120780532
I was also thinking this, couldn't you agree on a bill that would require Japanese companies to compensate minimum salary workers, either in hours or money?

>>120780497
Anyone who gets more than three roles a season.

>>120776691
Goth-loli-sama gets paid that much? What does she even do, she just sits there and watches other people suffer and then draws one line to correct a smile.

>>120780642
The Team.

>>120780497
Nana and Yukari are Over-A easily, Yui Ogura and Kaori Ishihara are considered A too.

Source : me

>>120776691
Of course, with all risk they take
Also, they have limited year of service than animator
The lowest seiyuu get is 0, yeah no, if they willing to spread their leg

>>120780582
How can Ema fucking survive with that yearly income?
I made 7k/month and I think I am underpaid myself.
It is fucking tokyo, the rental is already around 80k yen/month for a 1LDK if she is living in Tokyo. It boggles my mind. She basically can double her income if she works as a beer girl like zuka with less working hours. Work passion?
Can someone post the anime documentary where the dude said he became an animator because he likes drawing cute girls?

>>120780215
She gets a long lunch break so she can ride back home to eat her cheap ramen because she can't even afford to buy lunch outside with that slave salary.

>>120780703
>80k yen/month for a 1LDK
I don't think she's eactly living in Shinjuku. You can get 1LDK for 30k in outer Tokyo.

>>120780738
I am sure she stays around Nerima which is where Musani is based at right?

>>120780582
Quite a bit, that I even throw money to sekai project at steam instead usually pirate it.
It's hard to throw my money around because I didn't have CC, and I am not a honest taxpayer to get one.

being seiyuu is harder
especially a famous one
especially female

you need to be always perfect/in your role.
one mistake is the end for career and reputation.
not to mention dealing with people you dont like.
not to mention no serious relationship (or any at all) until the end of career which will probably be after 25.

and even if you managed to avoid any scandal. rumors will still exist. good luck finding a decent husband with that backstory.

>>120780738
Didn't she go to work on bike with a 30' commute? She might be quite in the outskirts, as Musani doesn't look like a centric place.

>>120780582
62k, I wish I was in uni

>>120776691
seiyuu, expecially woman, have a really short career so they have to get every penny they can before turning 30

>>120780582
/a/ pays me in dick pictures for all my hard work shitposting. I then used all of those pictures to start a voyeur website for women to look at dick pictures. I now rake in $2200 a month from my dick pic web page. So, I get paid $2200 a month to shitpost on /a/, what a wonderful life.

>>120780870
Yukari Tamura is an old hag
Yui Horie is well into her 40s going to 50s I think.

I know being seiyuu is harder but I can't understand how even Midori is far better paid than Ema, she works half time and her job isn't that hard or better deserving than key animator.

>>120777337
Do you live in Sierra Leone?

>>120780870
Actually most of the big name seiyuu are pretty old and half of them are married.

>>120780582
$ 6.000 a year.
Be glad you're not born in under developed country.

>>120780886
Tamura Yukari and Horie Yui are both the same age, 17 + 22 this year.

>>120776691
>tfw i earn 50 thousand dollars a week
>tfw i earn an extra 2000 making use of those tumblr sub humans
>tfw all those shekels epens
>tfw ad revenues fron urls and web links and clickbaits

I never that i became the jew i never wanted to become.

>>120781006
>tfw i earn 50 thousand dollars a week
Why aren't you funding your own anime.

>>120780886
>>120780932
check the voice actors of the last anime you just saw, their date of birth.

I'm not saying there are no old VA, but they are very few in comparison and you can alsmost always hear them when a certain role is casted, like Rikiya playing Kerry like character

>>120781006
Are you a professional footballer m8?

>>120780034
Capitalism, motherfucker.

>>120781036
But all the well known VA, especially all the A-list tier are 30+. The only VA with short spans are the ones that don't make it anywhere.

>>120780784
>you need to be always perfect/in your role.
>one mistake is the end for career and reputation.
Where did you get this? If anything their popularity lets them draw regardless of quality of performance.

>not to mention dealing with people you dont like.
Like anyone with a job.

>not to mention no serious relationship (or any at all) until the end of career which will probably be after 25.
Not true at all. It's when you act like a total whore that fans start turning on you.

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>>120779866
I still don't know what does pure math does.

>>120781041
i inherited the coffee farm of my grandfather after a bit of struggle with my older brother,manage to sue him afterwards.

>>120781159
Compete to win nobels or solve millenary puzzles.

>>120781031
nigga, all i can ever do is donate to any anime related things i remember spending a lot of money of little witch academia 2 and. Clannad kickstarter thats all i did.

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It is all about passion. They dont care about getting paid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTOjLZOBHkY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAvsEn8cty8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPIvB3wz1_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZYsa7U2Od4

>>120781159
It's knowledge; it's valuable in itself.

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>>120781159
Do a phd in it and it'll let you make 300k starting

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc7K4EIX5yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbo6Oz5XHI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_GsN43-IX8

>I will never smell Kitagawa Rina's hair

Why even live?

>>120781159
>I still don't know what does pure math does.
Anything he wants for 300k starting.

>>120777272
This is all going overseas now you know...

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>>120781364
What is Yui Ogura first role anyway?
Invisible girl EVOL?
Goddamm, watching this video still blow my mind. Is this even her natural voice? It just doesnt match a real human.

>>120777170
What the hell is wrong with you? Either you're an idiot who doesn't know what you're actually talking about, or you live a way to slavish lifestyle, most people i know get by nicely on around 50/60k per year.

>>120781633

This is her first role, official dance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwiJryJr2io

>>120780223
[citation needed]

>>120776959
>famous animators
> People like Yuasa, Shinkai (?) or Umetsu.
lol. your lack of knowledge is such a gaping hole in the fabric of time-space i feel being sucked into the inescapable vortex that is the void inside your head through TCP fucking IP. god bless your poor soul.

>>120782409
not everyone is the leader of weeaboo's like you are anon

>>120782640
i don't know a lot about, say, marine biology or space rocket combustion engines or lebanese 19th century literature. that's why i don't comment on these things. it's common courtesy.

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Hey guys I am stupid and I don't know anything about how anime or media in general is created.

Could someone kindly explain to me what the difference between "animators" and "CG animators" is?

Also how is a college student earning more money than an animator when they earn no money at all because they are going to college? Do you get paid for going to college in nippon?

I am confused.

>>120781341
Look at the tits on that Taketatsu, more like petit myass.

>>120776866
She already got recognized as surprisingly good by like her 3rd audition and only lost out because they wanted a more recognizable name.

Surely she'll be able to get at least a decent part soon.

>>120782018
Wow she sure can dance, didn't know.

>>120780034
I could devote 20 hours of every day of my life to hitting a rock with a hammer as hard and fast as I possibly can.
Doesn't mean I deserve to be paid a bunch for it.

Hard work means jack shit if you aren't actually being useful.

>>120783052
i think she's entering christmas cake territory this year. she'll make for an absolutely fantastic christmas cake.

>>120783013
I think that Japan, like in many European countries, college students get paid by the government to help them study comfortably.

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>>120783013
I get paid 80 000 yen a month so roughly 8 200 dollariinos a year so not as much as that chart suggest. Don't know about other student thought, I think its the same

>>120777158
A lot of people give a fuck about CG issues in anime. And his single post alone worth 3 fucks before you post.

>>120776691
Goddamn, glad I'm a CG animator in the US instead of Japan. I make as much as the JP executive producer and I'm on the lower end of the pay scale.

>>120777272
>you end up spending all your time animating some guy's right eyebrow

Do people really want to spend their time being stuck in mediocrity without having a sense of self fulfillment and personal advantage in exchange for decent pay?

Or would you rather still suffer for your art financially and physically/mentally in order to get that satisfying product and wholesome feeling?

I ask because right now I'm in the latter.

I'm glad I don't live in Japan just in general.

>>120783423
If im planning to kill myself before turning 30 why bother building up a career.

>>120783200
No, they don't. Actually Japan has pretty limited student aid. But tuition is pretty cheap compared to the US and most students get part time jobs.

Given the $9400/yr salary in the pic and Japan's minimum wage, the animators must work only around 25 hours per week. A college student could easily work that much, and it's not hard to find jobs that pay more than minimum wage, especially if you're willing to work nights and weekends.

>>120783457
You sound like a little bitch.

>>120781245
>Old legends complaining about the current state of the anime industry
>Doesn't realize that moe is the only thing keeping the industry alive since there's barely any cashflow in it anyway
>Would rather animation died out than match their old ideals and notions

Miyazaki should donate his savings to a studio if he wants something produced. Otherwise, he should knock it off. If you can't pay your employees, indoctrinate them into thinking drawing cute girls is all there is to life.

>>120781159
Pure math creates the knowledge and solve fictional problems.

Applied math uses the knowledge to solve real world problems.

One is for useful plebs and the other for useless patricians.

>>120783423
Some people care more about money. Some care more about the work. I was definitely in the latter group, and still am to some degree, but the closer I get to 30 the more concerned I am with having a decent quality of life too.

>>120783561
I am a little bitch. I'm your little bitch.

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>>120776691
>Kadokawa
>Annual Income US$113,448

>>120783200
Australia here. I get around ~$9,200/year from the government for being in uni. This money does not have to be paid back, but uni fees do.

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>>120783535
Dude you are full of bullshit. We get some money. Im studying here at college and I get 8 200 dollars a year as Jasso money

>>120783586
But where do the money to reward people who solved fictional problem came from?

>>120780582

35k in an area where $1k a month is worth a four bedroom house's total rent.

Teaching is suffering though.

>>120783911
From government funding. They need people to represent their country in international forums/convention where mathematicians convene to solve fictional problems in order to make their country look intelligent in the academic front.

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Ema is suffering.

>>120783908
No, you're just an idiot. I didn't say Japan has no student aid, I said it has very limited student aid.

Also, JASSO student aid is only free if you're a foreign student. Japanese students have to repay all of the money, either with interest (第一種奨学金) or without (第二種奨学金), and the no-interest loans are either need or merit based.

>>120784312
Mixed up my numbers. 第二 is with interest, 第一 is without.

>>120783535
I'm pretty sure I've read some article about poor animators working 12 hours a day, doing the hardest job out there. All this shit doesn't come together.

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>>120776824

>>120784363
That may be true, but in that case if they're paid hourly they're being paid less than minimum wage.

Probably they're being paid at a per-frame contract rate or something like that.

That seiyuu pay is for your Yukarin's, HanaKana's and Miyuki Sawashiro's

Regular seiyuu don't get paid that much

>>120784490
Even before that Shirobako ep aired, I kept wondering how it must feel your rookie seiyuu sitting around in waiting room, practicing their lines, only to see a seiyuu idol enter the room with her entourage and realize that they've got no chance at all.

>>120777696
What branch are you? I'm about to go to USMC boot camp and my request to be stationed at Okinawa is about to be approved.

>>120783457
I don't care if you're serious or not, but that really made me laugh. Thanks, anon.

>>120776691
Woman seiyuu are like idol anyway, soon they pass 30 most of them will be under the radar again for some new qtie "talents"

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>>120777606
>The US military pays a Cost of Living Allowance to personnel stationed in Japan. In the Tokyo area, I get $600 ~ $800 in COLA with the shitty yen rate
Is the cost of living allowance in addition to the Pepsi?

Why does anybody want to work in the anime industry to begin with.

>>120784718
There are people that want to do things that they enjoy. Crazy, I know.

>>120784751
Only a minority of people employed in the anime business get to do something they enjoy: Most are faceless grunts getting neither recognition nor adequate pay.

>>120784603
>implying that's bad

I wish you were here for Kokoro Connect shenanigans.

>>120784801
I know that story.

>>120784784
Recognition and pay != enjoyment, you fucking retarded millennium.

>>120780034
They do get a salary proportional to their hard work. Their problem is that their hard work is just that cheap to find.

That's literally all it's worth.

>>120784801
I refuse to believe Kanemoto actually found enjoyment in participating in that sham.

She was just going along with what the higher ups planned, right?

>>120784858
Let me guess, you've never paid an utility bill your whole life.

>>120784917
Let me guess, you are a miserably person.

>>120784904
She was laughing at him while electrocuting him after being told everything that happened and knowing they basically fucked over his life. Fuck that bitch. At least Sawashiro and that other guy kept quiet.

>>120784801
>>120784823
I don't. What happened?

>>120784970
Welcome to life.

>>120783087
You mean she'll get the part on sanjo after the seiyuu they hired drops out unexpectedly

>>120784904
Ika Musume is voiced by a bitch.
You just have to accept and deal with it.

>>120784917
I can live off 20k a year very comfortably. Bills are not a problem at that pay if you are single.

>>120785028
Welcome to being a failure of a human being.

>>120784823
I don't
do tell.

>>120784801
>Kokoro Connect shenanigans.
Nope, storytime?

>>120785091
>I can live off 20k a year very comfortably.
I wont believe it till I see an expense and income report.

Anyone have a similar chart for western pay rates?

>>120785112
Google it. There was some fairly heavy bullying going on among the cast, mostly aimed at some rookie kid. Reading up on it is mostly useful to see Sugita lay down the law during an event.

>>120785137
Next time don't be a newfag.

>>120785016
http://pastebin.com/Pu2hADMc
Kokoro staff being sociopaths
/a/ being autistic
Sugita and Asami being based.

>>120785091
Yes, that's great for you. I have a family to feed, and seeing that happen month after month is in fact giving me more enjoyment than being a bachelor investing all my time and money on maximizing my personal pleasure.

>>120785137
Ijime chinkonnect

Basically two of the VA in the show bullied a new seiyuu on live on stage.
Someone their bullying antic got leaked. A huge scandal happened and apparently the producer of said event was rumored to be the sugar daddy for kitaeri.
/a/ got upset and sent dick to kitaeri

>>120785169
Jesus,
I thought people grew out of that shit out of high school.

>>120785137
http://pastebin.com/Pu2hADMc

>>120785229
>seeing that happen month after month is in fact giving me more enjoyment than being a bachelor investing all my time and money on maximizing my personal pleasure.
I'm sorry.

>>120785004
>>120785065

Well shit.

I still like her voice as Maelstrom though. And she's still getting roles like nothing happened.

>>120776732
this, prices (including human labor) are based mostly on supply and demand. There are so many animators that they get paid garbage, we will never run out of them.

>>120785222
It's much easier to just say you don't know anon, no one here knows your name or cares.

>>120785240
>>120785350
>spoonfeeding

>>120785223
That's a pretty funny story.

>>120785630
>shitposting unironically 2015

>>120783423
I'm the latter, but in the context of programming.

In CS, almost all of the people you meet are in the former group. I guess the same is true pretty much wherever else you look.

Passion is hard to find.

>>120785585
Although there's a sufficient supply of grunts, there's a very painful lack of capable creative staff in higher positions. Most people who have the talent don't want to subject themselves to the initial grind so they seek employment at game companies or other places. Which is leaving the business with an army of mediocre animators and only few people who can actually add real quality to a show.

>>120785755
>people that don't agree that babies, like myself, should be fed are shitposting
I bet you also call negative opinions of shows shitposting.

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mfw 3d animators and riggers especially the latter are on high demand everywhere

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>>120785169
/a/ gets their panties in a twist over this, but totally ok with 4chan harassing a mentally challenged man for 8 years straight.
yeah that's totally not hypocritical.

>>120786007
It's almost like /a/ and 4chan are not a monolithic entity but a collective of people of all walks of life with all kinds of attitudes and ideas. Cherrypicking much.

>>120786057
find me someone on /a/ legitimately as sympathetic to cwc as Ichiki

>>120786007
>implying 4chan is a hivemind
I personally think cwc is funnier when left to his own devices.

>>120786123
How am I supposed to do that?

An animator's work is very tedious and, in a way, unimportant. You just copy shit over and over. Makes sense that the Chief Animator makes a significantly more, though. They're the people who are really essential.

>>120786197
you can't

>>120786221
I can't because your arbitrary condition cannot be met. I don't believe in anecdotal evidence.

>>120780497
Nana Mizuki, Yukari Tamura, Yui Hoire, idols
Ono D, part time stage actor
Keiji Fujiwara, Takehito Koyasu, company managers
Wakamoto, Akio Otsuka, Jouji Nakata, old timers.
Sugita and Nakamura, show hosts
Noto Mamiko, Ayako Kawasumi, voices not only anime and videogames but also commercials, ads, etc.

>>120776691
>Annual income
>9400 Yen
>literally gets less than $100 per year

>>120786256
>I don't believe in anecdotal evidence.
bullshit

>>120786360
Idiot.

>>120786374
Idiot.

>>120785229
Keep telling yourself that

>>120776691
>Meanwhile,
>Video game industry

http://www.geek.com/games/the-average-salary-at-square-enix-japan-is-273000-1500147/

>>120786007
>>120786123
Shitty parenting or not, it's harder to sympathize with an autist who believes he can do no wrong than it is with someone who was told that they got their big break only to end up fucked over in a PR stunt and publicly humiliated. The CWC harassment was taken too far, but Ichiki wasn't exactly vandalizing store displays, pepper spraying employees trying to stop him, and running the manager over in a car.

>>120786413
liar

>>120786216
If you actually enjoy drawing you won't find it tedious.

That's why there's an oversaturation of people who just want to draw cute girls in the industry.

>>120786534
>someone who was told that they got their big break only to end up fucked over in a PR stunt and publicly humiliated.
this prank was pulled on cwc when trolls made him believe miyamoto from nintendo was going to make a video game for him based on his shit.

What does a part-timer do

>>120786963
Watch the fucking anime. Funny enough you will probable be such a baby, you still won't know what her work place is called.

>>120786963
part the times

>>120785169
I read up on that just now, damn I feel sick.

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>>120787431
>not "times the parts"

>>120776691
why is the college student being paid?

>>120787530
She offers 500 yen blowjobs in her spare time

>>120787570
but she's being paid 9400

>>120787597
Oh my bad. Sex is 500 yen.
BJs are 100.
Also you're looking at Emas column.

>>120787597
No she isn't.

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>>120787570
17200, even

>>120787570
and she still makes more than an animator

>>120787653
weekend special deals

>>120787678
>implying Ema hasn't had to secretly do the same thing to be able to afford food

>>120780582
$65k.

>>120776691
This chart needs to be updated since Diesel-san's got a job.

>>120785223
Sugita's actions give me a heartboner.
How can one man be SO based?

>>120780532
That's free market for you.

>>120787480
On the other hand, it's great material for Kanemoto hatesex fantasies :9

>>120784221
What about Russia?

>>120776982
Honestly I think this thread's convinced me to contribute more. Is there a more detailed account of seiyuu living standards? Like, are they living out of 4.5 tatami apartments at the top of a hill in Bumblefuck, Tokyo area?

>>120777432
They do a LOT of it. Why is this a shock for people? VAs in the west are also paid peanuts.

If the animator was cute they'd get more money.

>>120776691
How much money gets a Series Compositor / Scriptwriter?

>>120786533
The video game industry is better.

Average Salary
Square Enix – $273,000
Sony – $116,000
Nintendo – $115,000
Sammy – $103,500
Konami – $85,000
Namco Bandai – $80,500
Tecmo Koei – $77,500
Gala – $74,500
Capcom – $72,000
Yuke – $71,000

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>>120780089
Why do people keep pretending Ema is not a competent animator? Is it just retarded bullying memeshit?

>>120789146
>>120789146
>As for scenario writers, they make around 180,000 yen ($2,000) a script and work on 2-3 at a time, but unlike sound directors, it’s fairly unheard of to write a completed script in 2 days. We can say that they finish an average of 1-2 scripts in an average month, putting their monthly income from manuscript fees at about 300,000 ($3,350) yen.
>Whether you think this is a lot or a little, depending on the show, a writer may be paid script royalties if the work becomes a hit, making millions of yen without doing any extra work. Since one could be working on three or more shows each month, the chances that a writer will write a script for a hit series increases.
>As a result, a writer who does proper work would reach 10 million yen ($110,000) a year.

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>>120776691
>mfw people on autism bucks get more

>>120786533
Video games are bigger than the movie and music industry.

>>120786533
I doubt those numbers

>>120777091
The CG shilling is far and away the worst part of an otherwise great show.

>>120777540
I was just in Tokyo for 2 weeks. As someone from a big American city, it was incredibly cheap. I don't know why everyone thinks Tokyo is so pricey.

>>120777272
Except for the fact that they outsource all of their 2D animation to Korea. Even shit as basic as Spongebob. Maybe if you're talking about 3D animation, but I bet it's getting pretty competitive by now.

>>120776691
Why do the CGI people get paid more and still do a bad job of making it look good?

Is being an entry-level animator really that simple of a job that they're easily replaced? I always thought you needed at least some skill and talent to even land a starting job, but if animators are so common and easy to find, does that mean any average joe can get the job if they spend a few years learning how to draw and animate?

For instance, I can't draw worth a shit. However, let's say I spend every free moment for the next 5 years learning to draw and practicing animation in my free time. Let's even say I hired tutors and took a few classes at the local college to help improve my skills. Would I be able to land an entry-level animator job?

>>120780679
They're not showing the part where she has to review and correct every cut in the series and is basically responsible for the overall animation quality of the series.

>>120786533
Why do you think you rarely see people like Yui Hoire, Akio Otsuka, Noto Mamiko and Ono D in anymore?

>>120790581
depends on how good you get. i can't speak for japan, but in north america at least you need to be pretty good to be considered. having connects, as well as a degree obviously helps too

>>120790581
You could do tracing/cleanup/inbetween work, because that doesn't really require skill. Hence, no pay. It's a trust issue. If you're talented and better than your peers, people will trust you with more work. You have a reputation as an animator in the industry and need to maintain that through your work and your connections. Ultimately, it just comes down to how good you are relative to everyone else. So you'd better have a knack for drawing.

>>120790581
I think in japan it's mostly contract work. They aren't paid a salary and on a company's standard payroll. They're paid by the cut to do a certain amount of work by a certain deadline.

Entry-level animators make fuck all because they have minimal connections and can't be trusted with any of the difficult jobs, so they get little work, and what work they get is low-value (thus lower pay).

The better an animator is, the more, and the higher value work they get. Since they're pretty much only paid for what work they do, more work = more pay.

>>120790560
Because we can't have nice things. Only shit eaters who make cg themselves think that shit looks good.

>>120790581
Presumably it's because there are many people who are willing to do that job.

It's like being a pilot, elementary school teacher, bicycle mechanic, surf instructor, ski patrol, etc. - those jobs all require technical skill, knowledge, training, and a level of trustworthiness, but they get paid very very little because there are lots of people willing to do those jobs because they find them enjoyable, to the point that they would do most of the required work, without pay, as a hobby.

>>120791142
Pilots aren't paid that bad though

>>120783052
Their height is 1.45m

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>>120780582
Roughly $18k. That's more than four times of what I got in my home country and the taxes are significantly lower as well.
I'm baffled when people claim you need at least $80-100k.

>>120791447
I make 35k a year working a very demanding job, I live in expensive city (makes Tokyo look cheap) and yet I have no money issues. People suck at managing money.

>>120790912
No. You never able to make a decent wage as long as you stay a key animator. Key animators get paid per cut, and even veterans can only do 2-3 cuts a day. That's why in Shirobako, the old guy was considered a legend for animating 5 cuts in one day (and that's with second key help).

The pay for each cut is like $40, so you're talking about barely making minimum wage, even after years of experience. Only when animators move up in position, to animation director, backgrounds, episode director, character designer, etc, could they really make a living wage.

>>120791516
>makes Tokyo look cheap
You made me curious, what tourist trap is this?

>>120777091
>My autism always goes mad when I see that chart and realize that CG animator (which I would like to have no at all in my chinese cartoons) makes more than traditional animator. Hope it's bullshit.

There goes the anti-CG shill again

I think I've encountered you before in a similar thread like this.

>>120791592
Boston/Cambridge area. Was just in Tokyo and asked my friends what they pay for cost of living stuff, and got a feel for prices myself. It wasn't anywhere nearly as expensive as I'd been made to believe.

>>120791607
Not him, but you two or three cg student/shills need to fuck off already.

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>>120781341
Does Ao-chan count as A-list seiyuu?
She looks so tired most of the time nowadays, must have a tight schedule.

>>120789589
She is a competent animator, but she is also working in what, he second show? give her time and if she is really a competent animator, she is gonna to be episode director, director or cheif animator

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>cg animators get more money than regulars
this kills the cartoons

>>120792345
More like reinvigorates.

CGI is slowly but steadily improving. Within years it may be indistinguishable from classic animation, but at a fraction of the time and cost.

Think of how many more shows can be made. How many 2nd seasons that previously would have never been made now get through because of how easy to make they are.

>>120792770
Fuck off, shill.

>>120786360
Please learn to read anon, it might save your life.

>>120792988
>Fuck off, shill.

something, plz

>>120792345
He seriously sellout for 7 dollars?

>>120792770
CG might be improving, but there are subtlies in 2D animation you can't replace with CG. CG in anime is years behind the west's Pixar, Disney, Dreamwork. Yet even them with their head start and massive budget, find making animation natural a tough business.

>>120794012
Are you really trying to compare high budget movie productions made for cinema with low budget additions made for some TV-series?

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>living on less than 800 dollars

Isn't the cost of living in Japan one of the highest in the world, too?

>>120794358
He's saying that even western cg, with its budget and talent, can't compare to good hand drawn anime.

>>120792770
>Within years it may be indistinguishable from classic animation
Maybe to you. And for all intents and purposes, that's pretty much all that matters.

>>120794358
No. I'm arguing that even with big budget CGI has weaknesses compared to traditional animation. If so, what hope could CG has in completely replacing tradition animation without being a serious drag on quality, especially in a low budget production environment. This isn't a "CG will get better" issue.

>>120794438
Western CG doesn't even try to be like hand-drawn anime, why would it look like it anyway?

>>120794012
It's about budget really.
Technology wise there isn't really a huge gap.

see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAch4diQRgY

>>120794555
Are you even reading before you reply to posts?

Is Nana even allowed to go near other men?

>>120794418
They supplement it by starring in JAV

>>120777599
can you call internationally?

>This new way of doing things will NEVER be as good as my old way of doing things!
- Every defender of old ways of doing things in history ever

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>>120792345

Yeah, fuck them unskilled CGI cunts

>>120776691
Because they have mass marketed idol cult followings built around them.

Anyone can voice act in Japan, and if they think you're saleable you'll get throw at shit.

>>120794438

You're comparing apples to oranges. Pixar animation is (was) great, it just has a different quality than hand drawn animation.

>>120776691
A low level animator does what people tell them to. They don't have artistic talent, they just draw in between keyframes. This chart doesn't differentiate between them at all which makes me think it is all just bullshit

>>120794634
>improving on existing methods isn't as good as overhauling it for some cheap, shoddy replacement entirely

>>120794638
Do you know the difference between digital coloring and CGI?

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>>120777599
Sure. There was a time when you can call in to talk to Mami.

>>120794634

I'm in an artistic community (as in, I derive my living from that) where I use what would be considered an "old way" of approaching my medium. It's true, there are people in this situation who approach things this way, but many of us, at least in my field, just want to be allowed to exist and have our art taken seriously by those who use new approaches exclusively.

>>120794765

Everything in that webm is CGI

EVERYTHING

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During that time in the US
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/family-guy-voice-actors-score-657429
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/simpsons-cast-fox-pay-cut-245648

>While the cast is ready to agree to a pay cut from the $400,000 per episode they have been making since 2008, the source said that is not as deep as the 45% reduction in salary that Fox has demanded, which would have meant they get about $250,000 an episode.

>>120794705
The original makes that distinction. Blame the translator for removing all the context and source citation.

Ema-chan ;_;

>>120794634
>This old way of doing things will NEVER be as good as my new way of doing things!
- Every new-age change-obsessed faggot who's responsible for shit like the cycle of empires existing.

>>120794897
Look on the bright side, she'll have to do AV work to make ends meet!

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>>120794725
>people have been drawing for thousands of years
>WE CAN KEEP MAKING IT BETTER AND SHOULD NEVER STOP USING THIS
>CGI still barely a few years old and hasn't even been tried out by everyone yet
>CLEARLY IT'S ALREADY REACHED IT'S PEAK AND WILL NEVER IMPROVE AND SUCKS AND WE SHOULD ALL JUST DROP IT FOREVER

Pick related it's you you.

>>120794806
Eh, some parts (the stills) are definitely drawn over to an extent, making it difficult to tell. Only the closeup drawing/pencil parts use the 3D source directly.