That's not how it works you fucking idiot. If he makes lighter,

>>120509897
because you're a faggot with fag expectations

>>120510369
>stop expecting things to make sense

>>120509897
2deep4u.

lower your expectations of anime, friend.

>>120509897
Why is she holding an empty cigarette tube ?

>>120509897

The rock does not need to be lifted.

>>120511189
That's inconsequential. The mere notion of there existing something he cannot do negates omnipotence.

>>120511263
>>120509897
Is this a ruse? This is what the show was about. No OP can be this retarded.

>>120511355
The show is not about rock lifting you idiot.

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>>120511410
well played

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This is how it works fedoras.

He creates the rock, then he lifts it anyway.

>>120509897

She explains that an omnipotent god can create a rock that he cannot lift at one moment in time, but by becoming an existence that can lift the rock moments after, he then has the ability to lift the rock.

steps:
1. Create such rock
2. Cannot pick it up (solved case one)
3. God takes steroids
4. God becomes stronger
5. God lifts up rock (solved case two)

Cases
2. God can create a rock he cannot pick up
5. God can pick up any rock

>>120511447
How can he create a rock he can't lift if he can lift the rock

>>120511503
He lowers the universe, not lifting the rock, dumbass.

>>120511499
That's a strawman. If he can at any point fail to lift the rock, he's not omnipotent.

Problem: Create a rock he cannot lift.
Your proposed solution: Become strong enough to lift the rock.

The issue with your solution is that he will still be unable to lift the wrong for a period of time. After that period of time has passed, the rock is no longer one that he cannot lift. This violates the cause.

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What I want to know is what happened to that fraud politician? Who was he anyway?

>>120511662
He retroactively can lift the rock when he couldn't, are you even 6-dimensional tesseract?

>>120511662

Don't question religion.
Even when it is unreasonable as fuck.
If you do, someday, its going to bite you in the ass, just like Charlie Hebdou.

>>120511732
If he multiplies his own existence so that he may simultaneously lift and fail to lift the rock, then he still fails to be omnipotent because he cannot lift the rock. This also introduces another flaw, he can't chose whether or not he only wants to be able to lift or vice versa. That's something else he can't do.

>>120511662
can't he just change the way omnipotency is perceived and just do it?

>>120511662

I see your point, So your saying that omnipotence is when one can do anything at any given point in time.

Is that the strict definition. I gotta look that up.
Thanks for the info

>>120511846
It's only your fault since you think that something in the past already happened, and he has to multiple himself for that. But instead he sees the time as a plane so he's one entity constantly, only you change, because you are an indecisive faggot, and he can lift and not lift something at the same time.

>>120511893
Not exactly. If he has to alter his existence to be able to do something, it is no longer something that he cannot due. And this violates the cause. Remember, he has to create a rock that he cannot lift.

>alleged omnipotent state
>create unliftable rock
>fail to lift rock
>no longer omnipotent

or

>alleged omnipotent state
>create unliftable rock
>become able to lift rock
>rock no longer unliftable
>alter rock properties so that it may be unliftable again
>no longer able to lift rock
>alter rock properties so that it may be unliftable again
>rock no longer unliftable

ad-infinitum. OR (your proposed solution)

>alleged omnipotent state
>create unliftable rock
>become able to lift rock
>lift rock retroactively (lifting and not lifting simultaneously)
>rock no longer unliftable

There is no need to introduce a rock to this arguments because simply, all we are asking is "if God can limit his own abilities".

If you guys are getting frustrated just remember you are arguing a paradox. Omnipotence is having unlimited power. If you create a rock you cannot lift then you are saying you dont have unlimited power because you cannot lift the rock and therefore are not omnipotent. If you cannot create an unliftable rock then you are also saying you do not have unlimited power and are also not omnipotent. Simple paradox.

Akane in this scene is just dissecting the paradox trying to apply it to the real world. It's immediately assumed that Sybil or whatever the villains name is not omnipotent because of the former paradox so she then ponders how does one approach becoming omnipotent. The way sybil attempts to do it is by taking in brains from people it couldnt judge and using them to fill the gaps. The problem with this is that those brains were never actually judged so sybil cant say that it can judge all. The only way to approach omnipotence is to evolve to judge all.

Yes OP you are right in that if you make a rock lighter you still wont be omnipotent but its what you would do it you were to attempt to become as omnipotent as possible and thats the relevant information here.

God isn't bound by human reasoning.

The omnipotence paradox isn't a real "paradox" because it subjugates God, who lies outside human comprehension, to the bounds set by human comprehension.

Essentially it is a linguistic problem, not one that deals with God's essential nature.

Atheists BTFO.
Fedoras BTFO.

>>120512189
>The omnipotence paradox isn't a real "paradox" because it subjugates God, who lies outside human comprehension, to the bounds set by human comprehension.

/thread

Omnipotence is a paradox. God doesn't exist.

/thread

>>120512189
This.

>>120512189
So you're basically saying that there's no way to argue with you.

>>120512293
That's how they do

>>120512189
This, Final answer

>>120512317
>>120512255
>>120512223
obvious samefag

>>120512293
Hes basically saying that if omnipotence even existed we wouldn't be able to comprehend it

>>120512332
All me.

>>120512293
Yes. Read some Kierkegaard, nigger.

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>>120512332
you tried

now check those trips >>120512333

>>120512120
But wouldn't the action of "creating an unliftable rock" differ from the action of "sustaining a rock that is unliftable"

Please elaborate

>>120511699
He killed himself.

>>120509897
>psychopass invented this paradox so its the writers fault

no you fucking retard. there are plenty examples of bad writing in this show. this isnt one of them because it doesnt originate from psychopass. all you did was prove you are dumber than this show and the bitching comes from retards like you

>>120512411
No.

>>120512513
How?

>>120512471
Can god man create a rock he can't lift, but god can?

>>120512411
>>120512561
Even then, we can rephrase the paradox to become, "Can god, an omnipotent being, create and sustain a rock he can not lift"?

>>120512568
Can god make a "lighter" rock that he can't lift, but god man can?

>>120512293
http://youtu.be/U0KzVr3zEaU?t=1m42s

>>120512471
>>120512656
Neither of them are omnipotent.

This entire "debate" is worthless because god doesn't exists to begin with

I thought /a/ was full if atheists.

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>>120512845
>>120512843

>>120512845

After the Fedora thing, no one wants to be an atheist anymore
It has become a fucking joke

>>120512843
Oh yeah? How about some proof that he doesn't exist then?

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>>120512845

>>120512189
There is an alternative answer, which I prefer.

If an omnipotent being exist, it means that there is nothing in the universe that can exist to defy the omnipotent being. Asking for a rock so heavy even an omnipotent being can't lift would be like asking for a triangle with four edges and four lines. It is a completely unnatural concept and cannot exist. Just because we can try to imagine in our heads its existence doesn't mean it could actually exist. It's not a limit of the omnipotent being's omnipotency, it's a limit of the universe.

>>120512907
So anons let memes dictate their beliefs.

trusting ideologies such as Atheism, Christianity, or any other religion, can limit your world view.

Sometimes its good to just say "Maybe god exists, How the hell would I know?"

>>120512845
What are you talking about, this has always been a Christian imageboard.

This is even worse than fucking /lit/ trying to resolve paradoxes.

>>120512934
>It's not a limit of the omnipotent being's omnipotency, it's a limit of the universe.
An omnipotent being should be able to control the universe.

>>120512909

If he existed, our satellites would've noticed a giant bearded guy floating in the skies already
And don't try to use invisibility as an excuse, we've got infrared sensors and radars looking at every inch of the earth

>>120512934
I see your point and its likely that there is a limit to anything, including the Universe. But the question that is being debated is not of the existence of a limitation but rather, the definition of omnipotence and if an omnipotent being can expand such limitations.

>>120512972
Full of little girls too. All ebin memes aside, I actually thought /a/ was too smart for god. I guess /pol/ has spread too far.

>>120512984
>trying to resolve paradoxes
A fool's errand.

>>120513089
You seem to think god as a substantial being that can be seen, heard, smelled, or even touched. What if he's not?

>>120513211
God isn't a being, it is a notion. God is evolution. God is nature. God is you and I. God is order.

>>120512969
Stop, I think we may already have an answer.

>>120513204
Religion is not anime. Therefore /a/ doesn't give a shit.
/a/nons ought to be apathetic agnostics, not argumentative fedora tippers.

>>120513089
>implying we have seen the whole universe

>>120513211
humans perceive things and accept their existence by using their senses, implying that there exists a being of something we can't perceive with our senses is too convenient
religion doesn't teach that god is a being but an idea, at least that's what I have gathered from people talking about religion, I personally don't believe in god but I can't deny its existence (if that makes any sense)

>>120513211

The bible itself has parts where god speaks to people, and even wrestles with Jacob at some point

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032:22-32

>>120509897
If GOD decides that's the same rock, it's the same rock.

>>120513296

God is on Earth, not Uranus

>>120513328
That was an angel, wasn't it?

>>120513211
Then how do we know he's there?

>>120513282
>/a/ is nothing but anime
newfriend pls

>>120513400
>being off-topic is good
/v/ pls

>>120512293
Because religion and reason are two different things.
Reason is about critical thinking, religion is about faith.
Trying to aplly critical thinking to religion and faith to Reason is both stupid and meaningless, you're putting fuel in an orange and wonder why it's not a cloud.

>>120513484
you are absolutely retarded.

>>120513558
How?

>>120513484
> you're putting fuel in an orange and wonder why it's not a cloud
wut

>>120513558
>I really think it should be a cloud

>>120513204
>>120512845
I've always believed that /a/ simply doesn't give a fuck about religion. Most people just stay with the religion they were born with but don't pay any attention to it, or become atheists.

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>>120512189
I am God playing a human character and you can't prove otherwise o3o

>>120513661
You don't remember when /a/ was counter culture because you weren't here.

>>120512845
There's a difference between being an atheist and being an edgy militant internet New Atheist (aka a "fedora").

I'm sure most people on /a/ are atheists, just like most people on most boards, including the incredibly dumb ones like /v/ are also atheists. But just because they're atheists doesn't mean they have to be obnoxious circlejerkers who use every opportunity to shit on religion to feed their own ego and act like they're much more intellectual and intelligent than religious people.

I've been an atheist all my life, and I'm not an atheist because I'm rebelling against some authority, or because I read a holy book and found some of its lines or some policies of the religious organizations going against my personal morals, I'm an atheist because I lack belief in a higher power.

If you're an atheist for any other reason, you're not really an atheist. You're just another "convert" bandwagoner.

I'm personally glad the obnoxious era where everyone on the internet circlejerked about how much smarter we are than religious people is over, even if it does mean that every once in a blue moon a genuine religious fundamentalist loony will show up in an internet discussion and think everyone who's shitting on fedoras is a religious fundamentalist loony like themselves.

>>120513656
Are you high?

>>120511503
He's all powerfull
He can do whatever the fuck he wants

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>>120512907
That meme has lost its original meaning which was shit to begin with.

>>120513484
Is this copypasta?

>>120513733
This is cool and all, but if you're an atheist, even if you aren't a leddit fedora tipper, you will be labeled as one anyway.

>>120513484
Many theists support their beliefs based on reason, anon, just like atheists. Of course religion does has much more faith involved, but saying that God does not exist it is also a matter of faith since you can't prove it.

>>120512120
If God is omnipotent then he can break logic and therefore this is possible.

>>120513733
>But just because they're atheists doesn't mean they have to be obnoxious circlejerkers who use every opportunity to shit on religion to feed their own ego and act like they're much more intellectual and intelligent than religious people.
Right, they use posts like this to feed their ego instead.

>>120513864
>omnipotent=break logic
That's not even a coherent idea.

>>120513794
>which was shit to begin with

It was pretty spot on, considering the nature of internet/militant atheism

>>120513864
Is God an spiral being?
>>120513708
Fuck off Homu

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>>120513837
Can't prove that elves don't exist either. As far as I know, not many faiths revolve around worshipping elves.

>>120513837
>but saying that God does not exist it is also a matter of faith since you can't prove it.
I'm building a car, all that's left to add are the tires. But I can't prove it's a car. There's just one piece missing. :^)