What's up with this show and krautland tanks

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>>120111696

I think the better question is:

What's up with this show and so many best girls?

How can anyone choose?! There's so many!

>inb4 fluffy fanatics

>>120111696
You are asking what's up with a show about iconic WWII tanks and the country who made teh miost iconic WWII tanks?
(inb4 whose tankfu was actually better, the most iconic ones are the German panzers)

>>120111945
You gotta give to the germans, they knew their shit when it came to land based warfare

>>120112540
They kinda didn't actually.

That's why a glorified truck with a cannon on top of it (T-34) murdered all supertonks the germans had.

>>120113198
Really?, i remember reading on how the german tanks were worth their weight in gold for all the tech they had.
But i guess the less complicated stuff has the upper hand in the heat of battle.

>>120113353
>german tanks were worth their weight in gold for all the tech they had.

At the beginning of the war.
Then Hitler went full retard and stated that bigger = better.
Plus plenty of them had shitty engines and more or less prone to breaking down. Panther was very good, but it broke.

On the other hand we had the T-34s and the Shermans which were shit tanks but there were a lot of them.

>>120113353
German tanks were good, but the German edge was a tactical one. Their doctrine was to concentrate their armor at the 'critical' point, so when time came for battle the Allies would have their tanks spread through the lines while hundreds of Panzers could be concentrated in one small area.

>>120113353
>worth their weight in gold for all the tech they had

Nope

>>120113198
I think it was more the shock that the Soviets could build a decent tank. I remember running into KV-1s in Moscow for the first time in Close Combat. I felt the same way.

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>>120112540
Not really when they can barely drive a Panther 250km before it breaks down. Most of them were transported by train, and we all knew what allied air power and sabotage did to railroads. It's also really fucking easy to kill enemy armor when you're fighting a defensive war. The truth is, Western tanks had a kill ratio of about 3:2.

>>120113821
Just to clarify, when you say Western are you including the Soviets, and are you factoring in the huge numbers of American tank destroyers? American tanks were used for infantry support, not generally tank hunting.

in after whose tankfu was actually better

>>120113873
McNair, please

>>120113930
Honestly I disagree with his assessment but you can't deny it worked pretty well.

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>>120113873
I'm mostly talking American and British tanks/tank destroyers. Even though America had a TD doctrine, nobody ever really followed it and they mostly just let TDs roll with with the other armor. American 75mm guns could still knock out Stugs and Panzer IVs, which made up a big portion of Germany's armor power.

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>>120113930
Am I too late for Christmas, /ak/?

>>120114014
So if you combine TDs and Tanks, Allied tanks have a 3:2 ration versus German tanks and TDs? Very interesting. I want to learn more about this, because everyone has heard how it would take 4 or 5 Shermans to kill one Tiger, and most of the Shermans would die (not that Tigers were especially common).

>>120114014
>big portion
Yes, but hewre's a polite reminder that Panthers weren't a few, as US Command thought they would be, but made up one THIRD of the tanks encountered after Normandy. Finding them was a certainty, not a happenstance.

>>120111696
Should I watch this?

Say what you will about german tonks, I have never seen an Allied crew develop the same level of feelings some German crews did for their Tigers or the like.

>>120114152
yes mang, its pretty good so far for me
animations on the faces could use a little more work tho

>>120114011
Yes we can deny it worked. What worked pretty well was ignoring it, as they did in practise.

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>>120111696

>>120114201
This scene is utter BULLSHIT.
A Tiger I turret took a whole minute to rotate

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>>120114113
>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/
>http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/275581-common-history-myths-please-read-before-posting/
>inb4 WoT, it has tons of links to other articles

I heard it from the links above, it debunks a ton of myths about the Sherman.

>>120114201
>High level war thunder gameplay

>>120114254
>wot
>you can't inb4 wot if you admit to be a wotkid

>>120114201
>War Thunder arcade tank mode.webm

>>120114254
5 M4s

M
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>>120114201
I never noticed how fast Maho retreats into her tank

>>120114113
Tigers weren't exactly common, but they do have on average a ~10:1 Kill to Death ratio. (on all fronts). Still, a few hundred of them won't make that much of a difference for the bigger picture.

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>>120114286
>http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2013/03/sherman-vs-tiger.html
>http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2013/03/soviet-85-mm-guns-vs-tigers.html
World of Tanks as a game is dumb, but you can't deny that the people in charge of actually researching the tanks know what they're talking about. Take a look at The Chieftain's Hatch.

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>>120114165
The French felt probably closer to their tanks, all their B1s had names and ex-Somua crews even welded the manufacturer plates onto their new M4s.

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>>120114254
>Russians
>reliable source of information

>>120114627
Something wrong tovarish?

>>120114201
Does anyone have webms of the tank battle in the anzio ova?

>>120114700
Coming from the very founders of Russian bias, I wouldn't take anything they say as anything other than "completely laughable."

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>>120114627
>Americans
>reliable source of information

>Nazis
>reliable source of information

>>120114828
>4chan posters
>reliable source of information

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>>120114767
Because a mechanic who wrote about events that never happened and thought the M4 Medium was a Yankee conspiracy is a more reliable source of information than actual historians

>>120114828
>>120114873
Anyone is more reliable than the folks who came close to being forbidden by law to speak ill of the Red Army during WW2.

Is there a man's team or is pure yuri action?

>>120114930
Boys don't drive tanks in GuPworld.

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>>120114906
>Anyone is more reliable than the folks who are actually forbidden by law to speak good of the Wehrmacht and SS during WW2.
HURRRRR

>>120114930
All girls, all panzers. Aside from the tanks that aren't panzers.

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>>120114930
>boys
>using tanks
It's a girl only sport.

>>120114930
By Yuri you mean some Russian guy right?

>>120114995
Germans aren't legally forbidden to speak good of the Wehrmacht/SS's equipment, just of their deeds.

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>>120115013
Your command is my wish, comrade...

>>120113425
panther was very good on paper in dream land, even if ignore its mechanical problems

it was to heavy front wheals drive were a bad idea, in fact one thing they could have learn from t-34 was a layout

gun while amazing, with great penetration and really flat trajectory was far more suited for a tank destroyer than medium tank

it was brittle so when germans needed HE spitting powerhorse panther was not the one

its weight, front wheel drive, complexity and german logistic problems meant, if you break down in field, you are fucked, if enemy penetrates your lower plate and damages anything in front wheel assembly - panther is almost unrecoverable

germany needed their version of sherman or t-34,

while from technical stand point amazing, panther was far from what germany needed to fight a war

I love GuP threads and how they always turn into tank talk.

>>120115128
Is GuP over, Yuri?

>>120115000
What's that even supposed to mean?

>>120115212
I tend to only call german tanks panzers. And the show has several Brit/French models.

>>120115130
>germany needed their version of sherman or t-34,

Germany couldn't afford a Sherman or T-34.

RAF bombing your factories is a bitch.

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Which school has the best tankery uniform?

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>>120115177
No, comrade Anon, it has only begun...

Modern tanks when

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>>120115073
And Russians aren't legally forbidden of talking bad about anything Red Army related. And many do. You'd know this if you bothered to read a book sometimes. Whole Suvorov debacle, "Icebreaker" and all that.
Stalin died more than 60 years ago you know.

>>120115443
Hopefully never.

arr rook rike

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>>120115551
>Stalin died more than 60 years ago you know.

Nah, he's alive and kicking.

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>>120115013
Best Yuri reporting.

>>120115248
yet they could afford heavier, more fuel hungry machines and even increased their production every year till almost end of war

>>120115556
>>120115443
Wasn't there an American M1 in one of the episodes?

>>120114254

Panthers were far superior to Shermans and Sherman tankers completely agree.

Yes, the K:D ratio won't be spectacular for the German tanks since they were outnumbered 4:1 in almost every engagement.

But even PzIV is a bit better than 75mm Shermans even if they are generally close.

>>120115886
when the slut teacher landed in the boat yeah

I don't know shit about tanks but I really liked the Carro Veloces. Were they as useless as the anime made them look?

>>120115910
>slut teacher

fuck you kid

>>120115886
>>120115910
Wasn't that whatever tank the Japanese use , not an M1?

>>120113821
Think of how much better that ratio could've been if the Murkens hadn't chosen to completely forego upgunning and uparmoring their tanks until AFTER they started getting their anuses prolapsed by the newer panzers.

>>120113930
He's telling you how it was, not how it should've been.

>>120115130

Panther was less reliable than Sherman, but reliability was similar to T-34.

T-34, despite the "Soviets stronk" propaganda, broke very often. Many Soviet tankers in their diaries and later books commented how German tanks broke less. And how Lend Leased Shermans were Swiss watches in comparison.

Sherman on the other hand had a very high profile making it an easy target. Balance was also an issue quite often. Panthers and even Tigers could move through land that was impassable for Shermans.

Germans lose the war because their industry just couldn't keep up. That is the main reason.

http://english.battlefield.ru/en/tank-development/27-medium-tanks/95-t44.html

>>120113821
>Not really when they can barely drive a Panther 250km before it breaks down.

T-34 on average broke before hitting 200km.

>>120114906
>forbidden by law to speak ill of the Red Army during WW2

wat

>>120111696
germans built a lot of type of tanks. became the face of what to fear in europe, even if they were more or less easily out numbered. and what are they to be compared to? russians and americans weren't nearly as creative in what they produced but they still show up in the show. british had some crazy ideas and those show up. whats left? shitty third world tanks like italian or japanese tanks? those still show up anyways, they're even on the main roster

>>120115248
Not as much as USAAF bombing your population centers.

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>>120116159
Well, the main issue with T34 was that they were generally made by unqualified workers, women and children mostly, since all able-bodied men were drafted into the army.
So they were quite often shoddily made. That added on top of some engineering issues like it's transmission and the air filter (these two issues were a lot worse in KV series) in the earlier versions of the tank, but it was vastly improved, got a better turret, more armour and in 43 the definitive version of T34-76 was a very nice and reliable tank. Then they put a new turret with even better gun on it, but it overstrained the engine a bit.
But it was a lot easier to repair than German tanks, Soviets always designed their weapons and armour to be as simple as possible. They also didn't have to bring spare parts all the way from Germany while partisans did their best to fuck up railroads and supply lines.

>>120115551
>Suvorov debacle, "Icebreaker" and all that

?

>>120115886
That was a Type-10. The fact that it was air-dropped should've been indicative enough that it wasn't an M1.

>>120116720
M1 uses a jet engine. maybe it just shed its wings

>>120116720
M1s can be airdropped, but very shittily so.

>>120116615

Germans also improved reliability issues of their tanks. Despite their industry getting bombed to shit.

>Statistics from 15 December 1944 show improved reliability: 72 percent of Panzer IVs, 80 percent of Tiger IIs and 61 percent of Panthers were operational by this period. Any remaining reliability issues were mostly due to the lack of lubricants and spare parts suffered by German forces at this point.

Almost 2/3 of tanks operational is actually a very good result for WW2 tanks.

>>120116615
>generally made by unqualified workers, women and children mostly, since all able-bodied men were drafted into the army

Don't forget how all the experienced artisans were placed right there on the front line when Barbarossa kicked off, so they were the first to get it.

>>120115551
It was all over the news that organization of soldier's mothers got declared foreign agents (traitors) over accusing the Kremlin, that hundreds of their sons, claimed to die in some training (must suck to be in the Red Army), actually lost their lives in Donbass.

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>>120116659
There is a book called "Icebreaker" written by a dissident Soviet KGB agent Viktor Rezun (Suvorov is his pseudonim) in the 90s. In this book he claims that the only reason that Soviet Union was losing the war so hard in 41 was because germans attacked literally days before Soviets themselves were going to attack and were taken by surprise because of it, he claimed that Hitler himself only came to power because Stalin ordered German communists to stay out of elections, all of that because Stalin needed someone to begin the world war for him, someone to break the Ice, "Icebreaker" if you will. All of that so he'd have a good reason to conquer Europe and later the world.
Yes, of course /pol/ likes it, I once saw it on one of their "recommended reading" lists
The book is filled with cherrypicking from historical documents and overall it's just silly. But lots of people who were not really familiar with WW2 history took it seriously.
It created a huge shitstorm where many historians wrote books disproving his retarded claims, then he wrote more books with even sillier stuff, etc.