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Why is this supposed to be good? I watched the first episode

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Why is this supposed to be good?
I watched the first episode and it was the complete generic shoujo story and I can already see the whole fucking plot. So why is it supposed to be good? Just nostalgia goggles? Shit's like Sailor Moon.
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>>119970011
>I can already see the whole fucking plot

AHAHAHAHAHAAH!!! So sure, little newfriend? Put your money where your mouth is and keep watching, and we'll see.
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>>119970011
You sound like a real expert, OP.
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>>119970011
Explain the whole plot, this should be a laugh.
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Guaranteed replies.
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This thread deserves to die due to the variance of stupidity displayed by the OP.
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The figures of her are so cute.. the anime looks like shit
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>>119970011
>I can already see the whole fucking plot
Please tell us.
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>>119970152
>>119970502

I third this. Enlighten us, OP.
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>>119970011
could you bait any harder?
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>>119970502
>>119970152
>>119970530
Well, she's the SJW of that school and frees all surpressed women and brings feminism to that place full of evil rapist men. Since it's tagged with yuri I guess there will be plenty of chicks falling for her but she'll get her beautiful beta prince who will do the household. Or maybe her prince will be a girl too in the end. And lots roses.
It's like this, isn't it?
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>>119970530
About a girl going through puberty?
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>>119970814
Spot on, good work figuring out the show so early!
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>>119970814
>Well, she's the SJW
stopped reading there
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Honestly, I didn't give a shit about Utena. I liked the other characters' stories the best.
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>>119970814
It was a good try.
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>>119970814
Close, but you didn't say anything about cows.
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>>119971043
i thought this applied to everyone

>>119970814
good job, you got the plot 100% on from the first episode

btw you forgot all the rape, there's a man who is literally raping and oppressing the womyn
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>Utena tells a coming-of-age story that explores two curious notions: can someone stick to childish ideals in order to defeat an opponent who embodies adulthood? And can a girl made of frills and pink hair and flower symbolism break free of the expectation of becoming a princess, and instead take on the role of a prince?

>At its core, though, Utena follows the story of a friendship-turned-romance between two girls who never expected it; director Ikuhara has even said that the love between the two is the most important thing of all.

>The series also focuses on sex, although it doesn't use any explicit imagery. Incest becomes a major theme, and the series explores it from numerous perspectives; loss of innocence (sexual and otherwise) also becomes very important.

Sounds like a 10/10 anime/manga right here.
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>>119971393
That's because it is.
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>>119971476
>That's because it is.

Are you even a man?
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>>119971588

>/v/
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Saionji=Nanami>Anthy>Akio>Wakaba>Touga>Ruka>Male Pinkhair>POWER GAP>Female Pinkhair>Miki + Sister> POWER GAP> Juri> Juri's bitch>
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>>119970814
Utenafags will deny it but this is mostly accurate
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>>119971688
>Juri so low

If there's one thing I like, it's dramatic depressed yuri love stories.
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>>119971643
>>/v/

Lern 2 crossboard, newfag.
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>>119971688
But Juri is one of the best characters in the show.
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>>119971791
>>>/fk/ kiddo.
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Why the fuck was Saionji camping out in the woods in the middle of the night cooking fucking eggs?
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SEKAI UNMEI MOKUSHIROKU
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>>119971865
It's probably a metaphor for homosex
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>>119971794
>>119971790
the only impression i got from Juri is that she's a fucking idiot. Anyone would have fucked off far away from Shiori upon realising what bitch she is but noo, muh amulet

utena is also a retard
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>>119971756
>this
>accurate
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>>119971939
Watch her parts again. She doesn't love Shiori.
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>>119971977
>She doesn't love Shiori.
Nigga please. Even her name sounds like yuri.
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>>119971880
>Sekai Unmei
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>>119970011
>I watched the first episode
Then just shut the fuck up.
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>>119972038
Her locket doesn't represent her love for Shiori in the sense you think.

The locket's meaning to her isn't in it's connection to Shiori, but rather in connection to the love she once felt.
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>>119970814
Utena is not really about the feminism but more about growing up. Actually a lot of girls went through the "i'll be the prince myself'' stage, some of tumblershits at their 20's are still at that stage. And Utena don't really care about anyone except her friends.
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>>119972266
>in connection to the love she once felt.
Ok, yeah, she's no longer in love with her, but she was.
Yes.
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>>119972337
It's hard to deny that Utena has feminist influences and themes, though. The expectations set by fairy tales about princes and princesses are core to the series, and tie to the central theme of maturing and realizing that such ideals don't exist.
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>>119970235
>moeblob face
>sexualized body
disgusting
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>>119972441
I never said she "has never loved Shiori", but in the anime she has already "fucked off far away from Shiori upon realising what bitch she is".
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I watched Utena after a lot of hype about it and It just wasn't that good. Looking back on the show while reading a lot of these 'this is what Utenas really about' fagparagraphs, i can understand how you are right but in short the series itself is too dragged out and too repetitive.
A duel almost every episode consisting of a grand total of 3 different duels against maybe 10 duelists, how does that shit even work out. cars driving on the fucking walls, spiral staircases (Oh but anon, that is super metaphysical) no its just another way to waste a minute every episode with the same scene and song that leads to a duel i have literally seen the episode before
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>>119972605
Try watching Penguindrum. It's basically Utena done right.
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>>119972684
Ignore this fag. It's basically Utena done all wrong.
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>>119972605
>too dragged out and too repetitive
Well, it was 90s shoujo. Back then, these shows were made with the intent of watching one episode per week, not marathoning.
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>>119972605
Some people are put off by the repetitive nature of the series, so I don't blame you for criticizing it on that front.
However, I think that its formulaic nature has some purpose to it. On the surface, it's a subversion of mahou shoujo tropes like many other elements in the series, but its also used to make some of the themes clear. When you're trying to analyze the characters of Utena, the easiest way is to compare the differences in their duels. The show's structure makes it easy to compare and contrast character relations for a deeper understanding, and it makes the writing cleaner.
Looking at Penguindrum, which doesn't follow a rigid structure, it's clear that far fewer people understand it because it is more complicated in the way it conveys itself.
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>>119970814

The only thing that was correct was the lots of roses. It is much smarter than what you've described.

Also going by your post, you're a massive twat but good news, this show is actually aimed at twats like you. There's two ways this could go. Either you're going to finish this having gained a new perspective and becoming a better, less twatty person, or it will all go over your head because you're too stuck in your /pol/ ways. It took me 8 episodes to get into it by the way. Also don't skip recap episodes, they're important.

>Using the word 'beta' unironically
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>>119972605
>wah anime has budget
Go watch some action flicks or whatever

Utena's way of transforming a save of resources into an emphasis on the ritualistic aspect of the show is clever, like it or not
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>>119972605
>too dragged out and repetitive
This isn't even a flaw.

Besides, the implications towards the duels are what's important.
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>>119972900
Then what is the purpose of the staircase scene? Because as far as I remember it changes exactly once in the whole series.
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>>119972684
>>119972738
It has absolutely zero correlations with Utena.
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>>119972510
If she don't care about her why did she told her fencing senpai to stop messing with Shiori?
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>>119973048
It's been a while since I've watched the series.
I don't have the answer for you know.
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>>119972738
>fag
Enough with the slurs. I expect better from Utena fans.
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>>119970814
Were butthurt beta males always this common on /a/ or did GamerGate drag them in?
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>>119972994
The staircase scene is basically a transformation scene like in other popular mahou shoujo series. It technically changes twice, though the first time only the music changes to a more industrial remix in the black rose arc to signify the change in tone. My interpretation of the second change is to show that Utena and Anthy have gotten closer, since the sequence is far more intimate than just walking up stairs, and by that point Utena is battling with the sword within herself, representing the strength of her and Anthy's relationship as well as the power of her ideals.
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>>119972994
Ikuhara uses stairs or elevators (you just remember the elevetaors now?) for sombolism purposes. Google that cause I'm not feeling like typing a whole essay about it, it's been discussed plenty of time.

It's also a very nice scene to spare some budget

It's also great way of introducing a ritualistic touch in the show (linked with many aspects that Utena deals with) even if it's far from the only reccurring scene

Lastly, it makes you pay more attention to the actual duel that follows (because you will be more apt to notice even a slightdifference after it) and it's implications.


But tbh that's just a small part of the show. Sying Black Rose arc is problematic is one thing, but complaining about this ?
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>>119973048
Different anon here, I think she did care about her but she was too fixated on the past to help their relationship progress. Hence the black and white picture in the locket. She was obsessed with the past and I think Ruka's goal wasn't necessarily to get her away from Shiori but to help her move on from the past and to actually have options. She is in love with Shiori and she still is at the end of the show but their relationship is now portrayed in a healthier light, without jealousy as Shiori willingly accepts her as a superior (her fencing captain).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0yvXf7Iuvw
Best track in the whole show.
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>67 replies

>this obvious a troll
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>>119972989
dragged out and repetitive is not a flaw
too dragged out and repetitive is a flaw
i wouldn't have used that word if i wasn't implying there was more than needed
learn2english motherfucker
also i would watch haruhi's endless eight 3 times over in a row before i would watch utena again
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CAN WE GO THREE DAYS WITHOUT AN EVA OR UTENA THREAD THESE SHOWS CAME OUT 20 YEARS AGO SHUT UP ALREADY
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>>119973270
>>119973271
The only valid arguments for the constant repetition in your posts is the ritualistic touch and the focusing of attention (which I didn't experience that way, but whatever) and of course the budget cutting. As far as I see it elevators and stairs represent the transition between something like your usual state of mind in every day life and your "deeper" or more aloof desires (Utena transforming into a prince, student council getting power, people exploring their desires in Mikages elevator). However that alone is no reason to repeat the same scene, if that repetion does not hold a meaning in itself.
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>>119974056

Why don't you leave instead of trying to change us?
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>>119974056
>guise we need to stop teaching shakespeare in school nao, its been 500 years
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>>119974060
I already told you that it's a subversion of the mahou shoujo transformation sequence. Whether you like it or not, stock footage was a common element of shoujo, especially in the 90s. While I can see why people who are accustomed to more modern approaches to storytelling in anime would dislike it, it is not inherently a flaw.
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>>119974211
>Trust me, I'm an Anime Pro!
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>>119972754
i think i would be more pissed off than anything if i waited a week for an episode that would be 10% or more the same as the last one i watched. but then again i never watch a series until its all out (or at least season by season)
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>>119974007
Except it's not dragged out at all, it chooses to gradually explore its characters (unlike certain anime that depend on plot twists and cliffhangers), providing parallels in relationships and different angles at looking at adulthood. The repetition is not a flaw, it enforces the ritualistic aspect of the show and is a means of playing with the conventions that surround mahou shoujo. This is especially apparent when the the show breaks the formula. It is even thematically important with regards to Anthy's character, if you would realize that she has lived through this hundreds of times more than the viewer has.
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>>119974007
>also i would watch haruhi's endless eight 3 times over in a row before i would watch utena again
>not 15499 times
maximum pleb.
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>>119974390
>unlike certain anime that depend on plot twists and cliffhangers
>plot twists
>in a series that originally aired in non-chronological order
nice one, anon.
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>>119974516
damnit, meant
>cliffhangers
not
>plot twists
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>>119974438
i was comparing them in relative length of watching time.
>15499
>not 15532, the actual amount of times it happened
look who's plebbing pleb
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Give me ANY reason not to skip Nanami episodes.
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>>119974516
didnt air in chronological order...what kind of order was it?
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>>119974584
They're hilarious.
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>>119974584
You get to laugh at Nanami for a whole episode.
Also, surprisingly good duel themes.
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>>119974584
Themes, but that's pretty much it.
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>>119974560
Nagato says in the novel it has been 15498 times, how do you get to 15532?

>>119974639
One that balances better between fast and slow paced episodes and gives you hints to speculate about the plot.
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>>119974056
Agreed, we should just have threads about true modern masterpieces such as Shingeki no Kyojin and Fate/Zero, right?
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>>119971393
>although it doesn't use any explicit imagery
To get more explicit they would have to literally fuck on screen.
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>>119971476
Touga is a handsome motherfucker.
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>>119975051
Yeah, that's literally the point. They don't use explicit imagery, but it's clear what's going on.
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SURFING
ELEPHANTS
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>>119973491
That's not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTcxjoYA0I
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>>119975080
Get off the computer, Nanami.
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>>119971393
>can someone stick to childish ideals in order to defeat an opponent who embodies adulthood? And can a girl made of frills and pink hair and flower symbolism break free of the expectation of becoming a princess, and instead take on the role of a prince?
Aren't both of these descriptions about Utena?
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>>119970951
What does 127.5 symbolise?
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>>119973491
My favourite track is from the OVA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQjxKll3XE8

Absolutely beautiful and really magical with the dance scene.
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>>119975162
>people actually think there's anything better than Missing Link
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>>119975505
>the OVA
Heh.
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>>119971393
sounds edgy as fuck
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>>119971688
Anthy>Nanami>Juri=Shiori>Everyone else

Really the only ones that matter.
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Quick, name a male that isn't an asshole!
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>>119975566
Sorry I mean Movie.
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>>119975620
Dios
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>>119975620
>Akio did nothing wrong
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>>119975620
Nanami's middle schooler bitch boy.
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>>119975620
Mickey.
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>>119975620
That guy who got turned away from the elevator of angst for being a good person.
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>>119975700
>Girl he "loves" slowly turns into a cow
>Doesn't stop her

>>119975755
Doesn't fuck his sister

>>119975782
>elevator of angst
That's what I'm gonna call it from now on
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>>119975867
>>Girl he "loves" slowly turns into a cow
>>Doesn't stop her
He called Utena to save her.
>Doesn't fuck his sister
Why does that makes him an asshole?
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>>119970814
HAHAHAHA
This anime was made before the term SJW existed. Fucking loser.
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>>119975782
I don't really believe Mikage thought that guy was a good person in particular, just not shitty enough to exploit.
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>>119975620
all of them
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>>119975700
Unhealthy stalker, believes that the real way to be man is to put women in trouble and then save them.

>>119975755
Selfishly projects his desires onto Anthy, fantasizes about having control over her.

>>119975782
A 'Nice Guy'
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>>119975945
>just not shitty enough to exploit.
That still makes him a better person than practically everyone else in Utena.
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>>119975907
It doesn't take a 14 year old girl to stop a 12 year old girl from wearing a cowbell

Not fucking your sister when she wants the D is the most heinous of crimes.
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>>119975867
>>Girl he "loves" slowly turns into a cow
>>Doesn't stop her
He can't, he's a child. But he got Utena to do the job because she could.
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>>119975022
>watch haruhi's endless eight
the anime, which is what i was talking about.
the second episode of EE Nagato says 15498 but each of the 6 after that the number goes up to a total of 15532.
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>>119976016
That doesn't mean much. He had entitlement issues towards Wakaba, but never directly hurt her. He wasn't a good person but wasn't a bad one either.
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>>119976221
Wrong thread?
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>>119970011
come to bed with me OP
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>>119976259
Yes.
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>>119976167
Eh, that's still good enough when everyone else falls between the spectrum of "selfishly childish" and "incredibly manipulative"
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>>119976221
No, guys want to WEAR underwear, not see them
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>>119976293
Can anyone say no to this motherfucker?
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>>119975600
>Anthy Nanami
Good taste. Anthy and Nanami are by far the most interesting grills I've seen in anime.

Anthy forcing Nanami to grow up by showing her the dark side of incest was among one of the best scenes in the anime.
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>>119972754
>Well, it was 90s shoujo.
But Oniisama e isn't dragged out or repetitive, and Utena is clearly influenced by it.
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>>119976835
Oniisama e is an adaptation of a 70s work, I think he's talking more about stuff like Sailor Moon, which Ikuhara worked on and clearly also had an influence on him.
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>>119976835
I don't think Utena was dragged out, unless you think a character-driven show shouldn't mainly focus on its characters.
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>>119976971
It spent too much time giving focus to characters that are irrelevant, in the end. The same themes and topics could have been covered with a smaller core of characters in a shorter amount of time, so to me it felt dragged out.
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>>119976578
I think one of my favorite parts about Utena is how it shocks you with the incestuous relationship, then you realize that it isn't one sided and that Anthy is a lot more manipulative than she appears.
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>>119970814
> she's the SJW of that school
kek
>frees all surpressed women and brings feminism
kekek
>evil rapist men
kekekek
> I guess there will be plenty of chicks falling for her
kekekekekek
>she'll get her beautiful beta prince who will do the household
kekekekekekkekekek
>her prince will be a girl
kekekekekekekekekekekekkekekeke
>And lots roses
1/7, not bad.
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>>119977069
I don't think they're irrelevant if they go on to show different aspects of the main theme, like Utena's cast does. Sure, it could have been shorter, but I'd rather it take the longer approach that allows for greater thematic development.
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>>119977069
I think the number of characters was perfect. Every character was seriously twisted that it would be harder to take if you had to compile some of them. Though I guess that depends on how much value you place on all the angles the show took on its themes
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>>119977260
>implying Utena isn't a SJW
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>>119977558
But she's not an SJW.
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>>119974584
do know who this is?

because that is basically who nanami is
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>>119970011
>I can already see the whole fucking plot.
No. I really don't think you can.
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>>119976835
Just curious, how many here prefer 1 cour vs 2 cour vs 3 or more?
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>>119977640
Utena is totally predictable.
>>119977698
Depends on the show.
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>>119976016
>>119976167
The issue was mostly that he was a passive person who didn't dare to act and was just waiting for things to happen. He wouldn't be able to try going for a revolution so Mikage had no use for him. Being a Black Rose duelist is not about being a bad person at heart, anyways, look at Wakaba.
I think he was nice to him and told him he was a good person so he would leave.
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>>119977253
How was it not one sided? Anthy obviously wanted to get out of that relationship, she wasn't using Akio for anything.
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>>119977773
Did Utena turning into a car symbolize the loss of her virginity?
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Technically its possible to predict and summarize Utena plot since the moment council pronounces the ambition to Break the World Egg Shell

That said, from watching multitude Utena threads, i am aware that majority of fans actually have no clue what Utena was about even though the basic story is quite simple, the depth lies elsewhere.

Its Matrix. Utena is Neo.
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>>119977865
nope
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>>119977698
It depends. Normally 1 cour is too short to really achieve anything, and 4 cours is generally a bit too much. 2 cours is a good sweet spot, I think. There are rarely 2 cours anime that could do with a cour more; if anything, they usually require some restructuring to remove lower quality content.
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>>119977773
now I am a car too
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I made it to episode 6 and regret all 6 episodes that I watched. Not a clue how it has such a high score an anime websites.
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>>119977865
It symbolizes Mahayana Buddhism.
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>>119977911
What was Utena about? Obviously it's a coming of age story, but what themes did it actually explore?
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>>119977865
No, it symbolized her becoming the vehicle to liberate her from Ohtori.
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>>119977966
Watch the whole thing. Trust me, your opinion will change.
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>>119978029
Don't listen to this anon. Just drop it and shitpost elsewhere.
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>>119977812
I thought she was using him as an emotional outlet if nothing else.
I would also think that most people, on first watching Utena, would think that Akio is the one in charge of that relationship, not Anthy.
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>>119978029
If a show has to run it's full course of, what, 26 episodes? before it turns "good", it's not a good show.
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>>119977812
She had no desire to leave Akio until Utena came along, and if you think Anthy didn't hold most of the power in that relationship you're wrong.
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>>119978168
It's a good thing Utena was good from the very first episode then.
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Why don't real men dress like Akio?
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>>119973491

I'm gonna have to go with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yOhbA8DGkQ
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>>119978168
But it was good from the beginning. The over the top shoujoisms are there for a reason. Taking those at face value like OP is being dumb.
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>>119978168
Yes it is. A slow buildup doesn't imply a drop in quality.
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>>119978175
>and if you think Anthy didn't hold most of the power in that relationship you're wrong.
Explain to me why I'm wrong then.
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>>119978231
Not that anon, but all the slapping in the beginning really put me off from the show. I made a thread whining about it like a cunt, anons bitched at me to give it another chance, and I did.

Now it's my favorite of all time.
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>>119978021
The "themes" and symbolism of Utena are entirely differen ttopic.

The story however is simple - at some point Utena has encounter with Akio and then at later point, gets trapped in encapsulated world where he is a demiurge, along with other people - living through his fantasy, of which she is part of, brough to his world to play role he though for her.

However part of the people realize they are trapped in the fantasy world, a dream so to say of one person - and want to break out of t, Anthy being a kei for that (her being Akios traumatic memory, since she died because of him in real world).

Thus the hijinks and plot leading to Utena escaping this world (differently in series and movie).

Aside from that Utena explored lots of characters and subplots - but this is the main story, pretty simple one at that and spelled out clearly and reinforced oer and over.

The main symbolic theme is not hidden either, its even in a name - Adolescence, maturing and entering real world.
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>>119978455
Yeah. I actually thought the show was a huge waste of time after finishing all three seasons.

After thinking about it for the next several hours, it became one of my favorites.
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>>119978430
>Explain to me why I'm wrong then.
The ending speaks volumes, really. Akio's reaction to Anthy leaving him says it all.
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>>119977260

Except there is rape. Literal rape.
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Let us not forget the most important aspect of the show

EN
TI
ARU!

Also incest.
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>>119978635
>The ending speaks volumes, really. Akio's reaction to Anthy leaving him says it all.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that Anthy knew she had more power in the relationship until the very end. Relationship dynamics are more mental than anything else. For the longest time, Anthy thought she had less power in the relationship, so she did.
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>>119978455
Even the slapping has a purpose in both channeling through shoujo tropes and representing Anthy being victim blamed for everything. It brings forth her having the center role in the series and is again an irony in how Wakaba is jealous of Anthy and the others for being so 'special' while the show actively portrays the negatives to such a position.
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>>119978175
Except Anthy didn't hold most of the power in her relationship with Akio at all.
Sure he can't do anything without her but as long as she thought she couldn't escape her fate and that he would be the only one to love her "as a witch", he was the one in control and could make her do what he wanted in order to get his powers back.
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>>119978747
Akio knew Anthy had the majority of the power, that's why he needed her and tried to keep her dependent.
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>>119978901
So? Akio still had most of the power, because Anthy didn't know that she could break away so easily.
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Why do Utena fans seem to hate Yuri Kuma Arashi?
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>>119979070
I love both.
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>>119978334
why dont real women dress like utena?
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>>119979070
I don't hate it, it's just a bit disappointing.
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>>119979070
What the fuck is this.
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>>119979070
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. The ones who know Utena are the ones watching YKA, as they know Ikuhara actually has a message with all the nudity involved.
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>>119979070
I don't really have an opinion on it for now. It's entertaining but I'm not sure exactly where it's going and what Ikuhara intends in the end.
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>>119979181
Of course he will. Ikuhara's shows always exist to preach, it's one of his many bad qualities
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>>119978964
Hold on, Akio once asks Anthy why she tortures him. Her figure and facial expressions are completely different when she's with him alone and when she's not. When with Utena, she's very child like, seemingly innocent, clumsy, animal-loving and more. However when she's with Akio, her figure becomes more of a mature woman. She takes off her glasses as a sign of changing her outward persona. It's like a means of transition for her. Her eyes are haunting, her body is lifeless. She doesn't offer him any joy in sexual activity, he definitely does fear her. She does this intentionally, it's a constant reminder oh how dependent he is on her, even if she knows she couldn't leave the cycle so easily. It's passive aggressiveness at its finest.
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does ikuhara actually support incest? he seems reallly into it despite how half those arcs end in his shows
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>>119979382
This sounds like a whole bunch of conjecture.
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>>119979482
It's just a result of paying attention to body language and dialogue.
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>>119979382
Maybe you shouldn't take the words of a narcissist like Akio at face value. He asks why she must tortures him after he made her have sex with him and is constantly trying to blame her/rejects responsability : "It's not me that hates you, it's the world (I'm certainly not going to risk my ass to help you, maybe I will if we manage to get back my prince powers heh)"

It's true however that Anthy is very passive agressive, because it's a mostly safe way to get her negative feelings out.

(Also, note that the "why must you torture me" part happens in the episode of the Tale of the Rose and is partly there to make you think that Anthy might be the ~secret villain~ before we get to the true reveal of what happened)
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>>119979181
>as they know Ikuhara actually has a message with all the nudity involved.
It's pretty simple. The invisible storm is lesbianism - it spreads and nobody can detect it without getting infected themselves. All bears are lesbians (except for the judgemens), and we can see that girls become bears after encountering them sexually.
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Does someone knows if the anime and manga had good sales?
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>>119979987
Yes.
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>>119979382
that's pretty standard bullshit guys tend to say to girls they're obsessed with. it's just aggressive self-pity/whining from someone who's not getting the attention they want or for accurately reading the girl's disinterest. Akio recognizes that anthy is just playing a role for him. if you noticed that when she changes with akio, it's in a very sexualized manner but she looks pretty dead inside as she does it.
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>>119980032
Do you have numbers?
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Remind me that Kureha is a shit beside of Utena.
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>>119980344
>One of them has 39 episodes and a movie
>Other one has two episodes
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>>119979070
I'm a huge fan of Utena and I love YKA.
I love Penguindrum, too.
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>>119978231
>>119978367
>>119978402
Three answers and not one of them sarcastic/outright asshole-y.

Time to check out Utena then.
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>>119981943
I hope you enjoy it, anon-kun.
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>>119971688
>Miki that low
No.
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>>119980344
YKA's characters are pretty 1-dimensional as far as we've been shown. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it was likely done intentionally to give more emphasis on the plot because of the 1-cour restriction, but because they are like that, it's hard to compare them with Utena characters.
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>>119979070
I'm not hating it i'm just confused and don't know where is it going. But it is always like that in Ikuhara's shows. Utena at first was a story about tomboy girl saving the princess and Penguindrum was about saving sick imouto and crazy stalker girl.
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>>119970814
I don't think that word means what you think it means
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>>119970814
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>>119972337
Nah mate did all the symbolism of the show fly over your head or something? Its not particularly about feminism itself but it IS basically a commentary on how the world needs to evolve from its backwards, oppressive views of how society should function, both in regards to women [gender in general too] and love [Note how the series is full of homosexuality and incest] To bring the "world revolution" is literally a metaphor to bring about a revolution in society where more progressive ideas will be accepted and our traditional, moral puritan values about what is "moral" or the "way of the world" gets completely and totally deconstructed. Also the whole "end of the world" is also a metaphor for the old traditional world's era ending.

>TD;LR: It kinda is a show promoting turning the world into a SJW's utopia.
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>>119987055
>this is what tumblr believes
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>>119974233
It's true though. Some are short, but I cam remember some of this shit took a fucking long time. It's just part of the genre.
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>>119987110
This is what it actually IS do u even symbolism??

I never said it was a particularly good message, but its pretty much a fact that that's the message the show was trying to get across.

>tfw Anthy's brother Akio represents conservatism, Utena is left-wing liberalism, Anthy being trapped in the coffin signifies being brainwashed and caged by old world values and beliefs.
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>>119987679
I guess a person will see what he wants to see. It's a shame you completely missed what the show was going for.
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>>119977865
It symbolizes her leaving the old, backwards oppressive world and entering a new world, a world where radical progressiveness prevails. She and Anthy enter it together, this time as a lesbian couple that are able to discover their true feelings for the other without being bogged down by the old world's expectation of heterosexuality.
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>>119987819
Well then why don't you try explaining to me what YOU think the show was going for oh wise, expert of symbolism~
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>>119988065
No, I don't like your tone nor the way you type. I feel like I'd be wasting my time trying to talk to you. I'm also suspicious that you're only trying to troll.
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>>119971865

Some people just have strange hobbies.

Saionji is certainly a strange one. At least his hobby is tame. He could have been dancing naked in the woods, smearing mud on himself, and howling at the moon in a poetic fashion.

Instead, he just cooks eggs.
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>>119979070
Right now I love it, but I won't know if it's true love until the end. What is the final destination of Ikuhara's latest wild ride?
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