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Unpopular Opinion of the Day

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Senjougahara: I hate this bitch and have no fucking idea why everyone loves her.
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She got better after she cut her hair.
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>nice body and hair
>protective
>cares on the inside where it counts
>sense of humor
>lustful
>traditionalist

I have no idea, OP.
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>>119810961
Right there with you OP, I don't hate her but I do think she is completely uninteresting.
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>>119811032
>liking short hair
So do you lube up your anus before the dildo goes up your arse or do you take it in dry?
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>>119811039
She is the epitome of abusive though. I grew up in an abusive household, and the way she's always "kidding" and being loving when it "really counts" is trademark sociopath behavior.
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>>119811094
Her personality got better after she cut her hair.
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>>119811139
I think the fact you can't distinguish between playful subtle romance and abusive behaviour is awfully projective of you, anon. It's almost more tarnishing of your own mental appearance.
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>>119811139
>She is the epitome of abusive though.
She's clearly not abusive at all, you must be retarded.
>I grew up in an abusive household,
Great blog.
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>>119811195
Causing others emotional distress for personal enjoyment is abusive, durr. If I were projecting, I wouldn't exactly be forthcoming about my personal experiences.
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>>119811139
Especially since one of the main points in the story is that she is abusive and broken, and through the two arcs focused on her becomes a normal, and mentally stable as she resolves the issues with her mother. She is never violent with him after she goes through her first transformation. And stops being demeaning after the second.
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>>119811305
>>119811139
What if I take enjoyment from that abuse though and need her to care for me and keep me in line?
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>>119811139
>>119811305
no one asked about your shitty life
in fact no one cares about it so don't bring that up please
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>>119811395
No one asked for your faggot opinion, yet here it is.
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>>119811139
>I grew up in an abusive household
No one cares, faggot.
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>>119811447
that wasn't an opinion, it's a fact no one gives a fuck about a loser like you
which is probably why you were abused, rightfully so you little shit
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>>119811501
>>119811460
>>119811447
I'll translate for abused anon in a nice way:

Thank you for your personal recantation of your past, but this board and thread specifically is not particularly suitable or in good taste for you to type such sad tales.

Furthermore, people tend to find anecdotal syllogisms irritating and of little to value for persuasion; therefore, we would like to ask you to cease your personal story for another time and/or place. Thank you.
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>>119811641
you forgot how he should kill himself for being such a fucking useless waste of space
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>>119811447
>unpopular opinion thread
>no one asked for your opinion
I'm confused.
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>>119811686
Yeah, it'd be nice if he died.
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>>119812420
i think he did, hasn't replied at all in a while
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>>119811188
>>119811240
>>119811305
>>119811393
Senjougahara fags please go
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>>119810961
I thought most anons hate this whore. It's basically the same as with Esdeath - only edgy teens and sociopaths can like something like that.
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>>119810961
GTFO secondary, enjoy your report.
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>>119810961
Kill yourself.

>>119812654
You kill yourself too.
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Who cares, snake is better anyway
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>>119812822
Crab a shit. So as you. Deal with it, psycho.
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How can anyone think hanekawa isn't the best girl?

>smart
>great body
>not a bitch
>not crazy
>just needs lots of sex to keep the cat away
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>>119812941
I don't think Hanekawa isn't the best girl, I know she isn't the best girl.
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She's n°2 more hated after snake. Worst girl really. Cat breast girl.
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>>119813008
T'as des goûts de merde c'est tout
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>>119812918
Haven't you killed yourself yet? Listen to kind advices you're told.
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>>119810961
Reported
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>>119813072
Fuck you frenchman!
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>>119812654
But Esdeath is gentle at least. Stupid comparison anyway.
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>>119813091
Does your fat mom know you're being this edgy on the internets, faggot?
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>>119811039
Traditionalist women don't stick a stapler in a man's face.
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>>119813206
Yes, they use katana in traditional way but she's a 5kg girl so she had to got something lighter
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>>119813072
learn2english
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>>119813148
Nope, it's all a shit-parade for psychos and masochists. It starts with Haruhi and Asuka and currently ends with Crab and S-desu.
Anyone who likes such characters srsly needs help.
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>>119813206
>>119811039
i don´t get it, why you people say she´s traditionalist?
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>>119813341
>Haruhi and Asuka
Hate them.

>Crab and S-desu
Like them.

Not sure why you're putting them in the same bag.
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>>119810961
This is /a/ OP, you probably would enjoy posting on /y/ and /lgbtwtfbbq/ with anons of your own persuasion a bit more.
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>Not liking crab after yeah
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Crab is the best written character in the show and Im not a crabfag.
Loli vampire is much more up my alley.
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>>119810961
she is the most pretentious piece of shit i've ever seen
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Are people on /a/ really so out of touch with social interactions that they think Crab is "abusing" Araragi when it's clearly playful teasing that he obviously enjoys?
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I cannot love Senjougahara because she has no ass.
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>>119814193
This man knows.
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>>119810961
>he doesn't want to walk her home gently
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>>119810961
Terrible bating try again tomorrow
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>>119814193
But O O so it balances out
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>>119811139
>She is the epitome of abusive though.
You should really consider watching the whole fucking series before making a thread about one of its main characters
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Compared to other girls she is shit but on her own she is okay.
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>>119810961
She's by far the best girl so I'm sorry to hear that you have worst taste
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I hate anime.
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>>119814167
She's still the most popular Monogatari girl here besides Bat, it's just the vocal autistic minority calling her shit.
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that opinion is not unpopular. she's a fucking cunt and no backpedalling/whitewashing will make me change my mind even if she got better over time.
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>>119814883
>unpopular opinion
>I hate anime

Pick one fag
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>>119815115
Name one cunt thing she does, ever.

Keep in mind that stapling Araragis mouth in order to protect her secret is not cunt behavior. Nor is chaining him up in order to protect him. Nor is playfully teasing her obviously masochistic boyfriend.

She helps him study, goes on dates with him, feeds him at lunch, is on good terms with his family, even gets over her rape trauma so she can sleep with him. She's a loving girlfriend.
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>>119815292
>is on good terms with his family
Not really
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>>119815326
Karen and Tsukihi don't dislike her, they're just jealous.
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>>119815367
>they're just jealous
Meaning they dislike her.
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>>119815292
It's great to know that autism hasn't infected all anons here
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>>119815402
You think I'd be used to people on /a/ not understanding how human emotions work, but it still shocks me.
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>sticked a stapler in Arararagi's face and pressed it
>acted like abusive bitch
>"confessed" after 2 episodes like a proper slut
>Sucked Kaiki's dick before
>Wanted to suck Kaiki's dick again for dealing with Snake
/A/nons as always have glorious taste.
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>>119810961
>I hate this bitch and have no fucking idea why everyone loves her
>unpopular opinion
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>>119815485
>"confessed" after 2 episodes like a proper slut
Purityfags are cancer and should hang themselves
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>>119815453
They might not dislike her as a person, but they dislike her for taking away what they think it's theirs (Arararagi)
Have you never been jealous about someone in your whole life? Did you go "man, that dude/girl is snatching her/him away from me BUT GODDAMMIT I JUST CAN'T FUCKING DISLIKE HIM/HER"?
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>>119815601
Yes idiot.

You don't automatically hate someone because you're jealous. Are you really so petty that you instantly hate a random handsome rich guy walking down the street? If your friend gets a bitchin new car, do you hate him now?

Jealous and dislike, while they can be related, are mutually exclusive feelings.
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>>119815541
i bet you're waifu had more dicks in her mouth than you had frenchfries.
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>>119815485
Shit bait
Do people even try anymore?
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Peole dislike horribly flawed characters,who would've known.
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>>119810961
I don't particularly care for Loli and seriously consider all the fags on /a/ who eat up any anime/manga, no matter how horrible it is, to be something worth getting into JUST BECAUSE loli exists in it to be no better than the absolute garbage that is Twilight fan girls and all their equivalents.
>>119815541
>Purity fags are cancer and should hang themselves
Amen to this, but they'll never understand why.
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>>119815670
Anon, go read the fucking dictionary. You're confusing jealousy with envy. They're pretty fucking different.

>Are you really so petty that you instantly hate a random handsome rich guy walking down the street?
That's envy.

>If your friend gets a bitchin new car, do you hate him now?
That's still envy.
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>>119815718
But if they killed themselves they would die virgins
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her character was pretty much spelled out by kaiki in koimonogatari, wasn't it? girl tries her best despite being shit and awkward and everything (crab, hard on outside, softy on the inside, etc)

that being said, unless the novels portray her differently, her character really isn't as compelling or interesting as any other in the series. her role seems to be solely that of MC's raburabu tsundere gf and not much else.
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>>119815718
>Wanting girls to be complete whores.
Disgusting
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>>119812941
>not crazy
>the girl who exploited demon magic so she could lash out at her parents for being mean and her friend for not giving her the D
She's also an entitled cunt.
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>>119815844
Rewatch nise then post again
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Cat pls
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>>119813072
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>>119815752
>They're pretty fucking different.
You know anon, I never knew that.

Regardless of that fact though Tsukihi and Karen, being jealous or envious or whatever, don't hate Senjougahara.

And this is way off the point I was originally making anyway, which is that she's a loving good girlfriend and not an abusive cunt.
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>>119815873
I hope you're joking anon, cause if not, you're a perfect example of why purityfags are trash,
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>>119815292
>rape trauma
Funny thing, I'm pretty sure that's not where that implication ended up going.
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>>119814193
It's canon that she has the best body out of all the girls. Both cat and monkey approve
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>>119815898
i watched it 2 weeks ago, i dont see what you're getting at here
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>>119815999
No Cat has canonically the best body.
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>>119815985
Very serious,not shunning sluts is only for the most desperate losers.
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>>119816030
I think she's supposed to be chubby or something.

That said, there's really no indication towards this despite being thicker than the other girls. She still has the same shape.
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>>119816014
I'm suggesting you should try memory exercises online to improve your mental capabilities
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>>119816062
I believe this is correct because of in Kuro there was a snapshot of someone that looked like or was suppose to look like her on of the texts
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>>119816059
>Slut
>Had her virginity taken away against her will before she even understood what sex was
>Has her body magically tuned so that sex is REQUIRED, but never really wanted it
>Tries to devote herself to a single man who she loved despite the worms in her body forcing her to need more sex than a single man can provide
You don't know what a slut is. If Sakura was a slut she'd have continued fucking men even after Shirou died in HF Normal, but she grew up and died alone waiting for the guy she loved to come back.
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>>119815873
You chose to illustrate your argument with best fate because?
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People hating on crab after Bake 12 have truly the worst taste
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>>119816117
you can either continue to be a pretentious sack of shit or contribute to a proper discussion
your pick, anon
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>>119816291
No, most are just baiting
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Kill la Kill had much better characters and was overall far more enjoyable than TTGL, which I didn't particularly like.
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>>119816214
>>119816254
You really think i don't know all that? You where set on calling me a ''purity fag'' amyway,might as well rustle some retards jims.
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>>119816360
I'm sure you've posted in the wrong thread, but you have shit taste regardless.
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>>119816396
>Unpopular Opinion of the Day
I assumed this was an unpopular opinion thread.
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>>119810961
She's first girl.

That's literally half of why people like her so much. If cat or snail or even snake had been first people would be white knighting them instead.

Also, as she's gotten the most overall screen time we know the most about her. Further her problems were at least partially resolved VERY early on so for the most part people have only seen the good side of her. Or at least, the non-ugly side of her.
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>>119816329
>implying proper discussions occur here

There wasn't a time where kaiki said senj was awkward rather her whole situation at the time forced and awkward response. The problem arose with confronting her past even though the best option was to ignore it and move on.
TLDR: autistic situation not autistic person
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>>119816381
Anon please, I don't even know who you are.
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>>119816500
You got it backwards, most people on /a/ irrationally hate first girl.
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>>119816291
>yfw no girl will ever offer you a starry sky
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>>119816562
I dunno where you've been for the past decade but literally every show the first girl is always way more popular than she deserves unless she's truly and utterly reprehensible.
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>>119810961
/a/ is full of pathetic betas who want a women to dominate them
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>>119816437
I thought that was refering to OP's Crab opinion, which he used to kickstart his Monogatari thread.
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>>119816500
>She's first girl.
Cat is technically first girl. Will Kizu ever get animated?
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>>119816500
>first girl
But that's Cat.
Also, everyone loves Snail and she was maybe the fourth or fifth character introduced
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>>119816652
In Japan yes, on /a/ fuck no.
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>>119816599
That's because that's some cheezy thing that guys say to girls, you ponce. In case you hadn't figured it out yet, Crab is the man in that relationship.

Excercize and believe in yourself you stupid feelsfag. How can you expect other people to love you if you don't love yourself?
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>>119816666
Devils quads don't lie
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>>119816653
>implying alpha males don't want alpha females
Only a beta would want the easiest girl
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>>119816782
This nigga getting serious
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>>119816508
she's pretty awkward though, although it does appear to be getting less so as the series progresses.
i was referring mostly to his character analysis in koi though. he does say that she's the type of person to treat every love like the first, and she does indeed do her utmost to be the best she can be for araragi, but that's about as far as her character goes.

and i do hope that, in a monogatari thread at least, there should be some semblance of good discussion. does appear that /a/ is about 95% waifu faggots though.
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>>119816500
God. I hate part of LN where previous Shinobu master appears. THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT CHOICE
Ararararararaagi loves Shinobu, but...but FUCK YOU NISIO
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>>119810961
>Unpopular Opinion of the Day
Nyaruko-san is garbage with unfunny rage inducing "comedy "and worst MC of all time

Gatchaman Crowds is garbage where literally every single character is obnoxious retard

Korean Zombie Desk Car is garbage where literally every girl is annoying punchable cunt

Seki-kun is annoying obnoxious shit, only the first episode was good

Tasogare Otome x Amnesia is garbage and literally every girl in it is trash

Sabagebu! is the most overrated show of 2014 on /a/, garbage show that has ~5 good moments

Jinrui's MC is great, but that's the only good thing about the series. It's overrated as fuck

Third season of TWGOK is best season by far

Mirai Nikki's OVA ending is miles worse than show's ending and ruined the only good thing about the garbage series(don't know if this is unpopular opinion on /a/ because I avoid anything Mirai Nikki related, but I kinda get the feeling that /a/ would agree with me)
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>>119810961

The whole sarcastic chick with hime cut thing isn't as rare as Crabfags make it out to be. Her whole character like most in the franchise is to be a fan service object that occasionally banters about stupid shit with the MC and also occasionally trades puns with him while trying to one up the guy.
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>>119816709
>>119816703
"Technically" doesn't matter.

Crab was the first girl shown and she's the main heroine throughout the series. Ergo, she is the most popular girl.

This is the way it's always been for fake harems like Monogatari. The only time it's ever different is if the main girl is absolutely awful (usually because the director/writer goes out of their way to do so) or if there comes a girl so unbelievably good she blows everyone else out of the water.

Crab is still a good girl even if she's not best and no one else absolutely crushes her in terms of personality so she will remain the most popular.
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>>119811139
mild/playful violence != abuse
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>>119810961
>smoking body
>insane modesty
>crazy banter
I dunno, but I'd walk her home gently.
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>>119816983
>Sabagebu! is the most overrated show of 2014 on /a/, garbage show that has ~5 good moments
I was with you until you said this.

Sabagebu is literally the funniest anime I've ever seen. And yes I've watched all the supposed "comedy classics" that /a/ always talks about but I laughed more at Sabagebu then all those other shows combined.

Fuck you and your shit taste go stick your dick in a cement mixer.
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>>119817050
Crab wasn't the first girl shown, Cat's ass was. She has been in the background through the whole series, probably more episodes than Crab.
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>>119816500
well lets be honest here, if we started off with neko black or hebi, crab would probably be the absolute weakest character of the series. not that she isn't already. even nadeko was made into a much more interesting character during hitagi end. but any chance of her snagging koyomi? nah.
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>>119816877
If you mean early bake episodes then sure I agree it was awkward but not "awkward" in the standard sense. It's not that she doesn't social abilities, it's the fact that what she did was completely
Unconventional. I think the right wording for it would be weird. Her personality is overly complex but her teasing of araragi allows you to gain insight on that she is more than just a support for him, but a legitimate character in the story. I can see that she treats all loves like her first though. Doesn't seem terrible because the ideal first love is what you wish to have forever.

Really though the autism and/or baiting on this board has gotten out of hand
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>>119817049
>The whole sarcastic chick with hime cut thing isn't as rare as Crabfags make it out to be.
It's common as fuck. If you don't include hime cut, there's one in literally every harem and harem-like shows

The thing is that they're all annoying shit with no charm or character.
Well there are few of them that aren't, but Crab is by far the best one.
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>>119817049
It's not always the rarity of the idea, but the execution that makes it enjoyable and unique
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>>119817255
>DayZ zombie survival genre in a nutshell
Not /a/ related, but I was instantly reminded how there's not a single good zombie survival game and yet people still complain when a one gets announced

I'll never understand what makes people think that way.
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>>119817339
I love DayZ good taste Anon. I've learned my lesson in that game to never be risky. The first time I think "oh no one can be here," I get a bullet right through my skull.
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>>119810961

Hanekawa is best Monogatari.

OZC aren't THAT bad for Gundam.

Lagann was overrated, nothing special but not a classic like everyone claims.

Trigger should just stick with OVAs and short anime such as Inferno Cop rather than making full length shows.
>>119816983

Third season was alright but they missed A LOT of material.

I wouldn't have mind a movie trilogy or something of the Goddess arc.

As for Sabagebu! I find it rather underrated compared to a lot of shows /a/ held in high regard last year. Most overrated was definitely Gugure! Kokkuri-san.
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>>119810961
Because she's my waifu.
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>>119817183
oh huh. i interpreted it as her inability to express herself in a non-roundabout way rather than it happening by her own volition.
i also felt that unlike the other characters in the series, which are one-dimensional but eventually flushed out to be complex people, senjougahara's a rather normal girl in a complex facade.
with every new scene, you get insight into each character, but she just becomes more and more nadeshiko instead.
i dunno. i'm probably pretty biased, i guess. haha. also we're getting into literature review, which at some point becomes a minefield of conjecture. I appreciate the discussion though.

the autism is to be expected though, i suppose. gotta sift through alot of shit to find the gems, eh
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>>119817687
In Owarimonogatari Araragi realized that he loves Shinobu. But Nisio doesn't care
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>>119817658
She's kinda just a bit alright.
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>>119815999
>canon best body

But she still has no ass.
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Stop with the Monogatari threads fucking faggots
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>>119818409
I don't get where this she has no ass is coming from
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>>119816030
Cat is a fatty so unless you're a chubby chaser, not even close.

top tier bodies:
Bee > Monkey > Crab >>>> rest
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>>119818702
I wonder how gay you have to be to look at cat and think fat.

Are you so gay you've come out the other end of gaydom to be straight?
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>>119817914
oh.
lol
he was doing so well too...
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>>119818939
>I wonder how gay you have to be to look at cat and think fat.
But that's a fact
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>>119818605
Okay, I'll confess: I just like Kanbaru.
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>>119818951
The worst part that Hitagi appeared from middle of nowhere only at end of story just for remind readers that she's still Araragi's grill.
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>>119817594
>Most overrated was definitely Gugure! Kokkuri-san.
Is that a joke? It got almost no discussion on /a/.

It was AOTS and actually sold decently to boot.
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>>119819311
Does Araragi fully embrace the idea of being a vampire or does he still value his humanity?

Because accepting Shinobu as his soul mate means he rejects humanity, while accepted Senjougahara as his lover makes him more human.
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There's nothing wrong with watching anime at 1.5x speed.
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>>119819387
He's lost all powers. Contract with Shinobu was severed
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>>119810961
>Shittaste Opinion of the Day
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>>119817914
It's pretty obvious that he loves all the girls
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>>119810961
not unpopular, that's called having a brain
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>>119819907
Except for snake. But then again nobody cares about her.
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Crab is garbage and crab fans are garbage eaters
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>>119820182

More like crab fans are cancer.
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>>119810961
I never understood why Arararagi decided to date her so fast, I mean I could understand if it happened at the end of the first season but it happened so fast and all I could think is that he found stapling the side of his mouth hot, really, nothing else, I could have run for the hills if I was him.
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>>119818605
Evidence anon.
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>>119820312
I'd assume the author just wanted to move onto other girls so he did crab's shit really fast. It's pretty clear the author's favorite character is Hanekawa since she gets so much screen time.
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>>119810961
>Senjougahara: I hate this bitch
>unpopular opinion
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>>119820312
Based on Araragi's view of the world around him, I'm guessing it was because Crab was the only girl who he liked that asked him out.
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>>119820182
It's exactly the opposite and your post proves it.
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Because he was into her, liked how she faced her problems in crab and she was into him. There doesn't have to be anything magical at the start of a relationship. That's not how it usually works.
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>>119820449
He actually liked cat at the time which is weird. But that's the kind of thing that happens if you make prequels.
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>>119820499
Meant to quote >>119820312
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>>119820508
Even without prequels it was obvious he was into Cat.

Maybe she should have alpha'd up and asked him out proper.
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>>119820508
He didn't really like cat that way.
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>>119820566
Nor did he like Senjougahara that way when they started dating.
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>>119820508
The attraction was (and still is) mostly physical, and he was fully convinced she wasn't interested in him.
Would you have rejected Senjougahara in that scenario?
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>>119820614
It wasn't just physical. That's just a retarded excuse Nisio wrote in later in the story to explain the plot hole. He says several times that she's so important to him that he WANTS (not just will, but actually would like) to die for her.
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>>119820601
No, he was actually turned off by Hanekawa both before and after seeing black Hanekawa but for different reasons. It wasn't the same with Hitagi
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>>119820312
You are a 18 year old virgin, any cute girl asks you out, you go out with her instantly.
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People just want happy end for some girls, but author trow bullshit like this >>119819311
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>>119820696
There are more feeling you can have for a person than just amorous anon.
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>>119820736
That may be true, but I would at least be a little hesitant from a girl who will literally pluck my eyes out with a pencil for little to no reason.
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>>119820781
Sure I definitely agree. At the same time his feelings for Senjougahara weren't amorous when they started going out. They developed those feelings afterward, absolutely. But that's irrelevant to the moment when he chose to go out with her.
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>>119820312
He's a perverted virgin, she's a cute girl he gets along with.

He had absolutely no reason to reject her.

You don't need to have true everlasting love to go out with someone, most anime doesn't seem to understand that (or they choose to ignore it because anime is a fantasy.)
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>>119810961

I dropped Bakemonogatari after the first episode because she was such a cunt.

Attacking the MC for no actual reason is an instant DQ.
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>>119820840
The point is that he did not want to go out with Hanekawa specifically.
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>>119820895
Why did he want to go out with Senjougahara? Use reasons that would not also apply to Hanekawa.
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>>119820923
The point is that for a teenage you don't need a special reason to go out with a cute girl. You need a reason not to.
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>>119820923
Because she asked him to go out with her and he likes her.

That's the reason, it doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
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>>119820968
What is his reason for not going out with Hanekawa after Kizu?
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>>119810961
I hate monkey
Don't even know why
I just hate her so much
Even snake is better
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>>119820998
Congratulations
You have shit taste.
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>>119820884
>Attacking the MC for no actual reason
Good job not understanding what happened.
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>>119820990
Because he did not see her as someone with who that was possible. He idolized her but did not see her as an equal. Maybe if she asked him to he would of.
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>>119821044
>replying to bait

Why anon?
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>>119821153
For fun.
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>>119821044

Well, why don't you explain in detail what her brilliant reason was because all I saw is a bitch stapling the cheek of a stranger that had done nothing wrong.
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>>119810961
I hate your taste faggot anon. Hitagi best girl. The only good episodes are for crab the rest a shit.
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>>119810961
I also don't like her.
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>>119821103
>He idolized her but did not see her as an equal.
My problem is he never said or hinted at this in Kizu. It was later retconned into the story to explain the plot hole.

Anyway let me simplify my issue here so you know what I'm talking about. If you go read Kizu by itself it reads like a love story between Hanekawa and Araragi. If for example, you introduced him to this series and had him read only Kizu, he would think Hanekawa is the main female lead almost without a doubt.
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>>119820815
Arararararagi was a little hesitant too but she was so aggresive he couldn't say no, that's why he didn't reject her.
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>>119821341
By him in that final sentence I meant someone. As in you introduce some random guy to the series.
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>>119821341
Well I didn't read kizu so I don't know about that. It's true that some people think Niso planned for Araragi to get with Hanekawa before changing his mind but I don't know about that.
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>>119821231
It's not hard to understand.

You have a girl who has a serious problem that she needs to keep secret. She's emotionally damaged and has trust issues and this random guy she knows nothing about has found out her secret. In order to make sure he doesn't talk she confronts him and threatens him, then to make sure he understands that she's serious she staples his cheek.

You might think it's a bit of an overreaction, but it's far from "no reason."
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>>119821430
I would recommend you read it. It's a very good story. Like if the rest of Monogatari is 6/10 then Kizu would be a 9.
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>>119821501
IS the translation decent at least? I've tried reading some of the other novels that were translated and don't know if they were just done poorly or niso writes like a rambling madman.
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Araragi loved/idolized/lusted after Hanekawa way more than he did Senjougahara in Bake.

However she never made a move and Crab did, hence why she won. Araragi's not a retard who would reject a girl just because he's not totally in love with her and has to sort out his feelings like a little bitch, which is what most harem MCs are like.
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>>119821588
I didn't have any issues with it but I generally have low standards.
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>>119810961
People like her because they like to imagine that she's their girlfriend and that they're araragi. The fact of the matter is that she settled for aragi-kun and if anyone else comes along who's better then him she'll drop him just like that. During snake arc in second season she offered to fuck Kaiki to help them out, shit that bitch would've sucked his dick for free.
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>>119821588
Kizu has the worst translation
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>>119815292
>Name one cunt thing she does, ever.
>Oh an ignore the cunt things she does
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>>119821700
None of those are cunt things though. They're all things she does with clear reasons.

Unless you think every thing a girl does that's not bending over backwards for a man is a "cunt thing" which is probably the case since you're on /a/ and scared of girls.
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>>119821447

So in other words, she's a total cunt and should be bludgeoned to death. Glad to have that straightened out.
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You can only protect a single smile.
Whose smile do you protect?
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>>119821794
Snail. But its a hard choice.
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>>119821615
>Hanekawa never did a move
Well that one time in Kizu she was ready to give him her virginity
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>>119821782
>I pretend to not know about the series to mindlessly hate Crab because I'm autistic

This is too much for you, go watch IS or something
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>>119815292
>Name one cunt thing she does, ever.
Well, right in the first episo-

>Keep in mind that stapling Araragis mouth in order to protect her secret is not cunt behavior.
Well, she also-

>Nor is chaining him up in order to protect him.
>Nor is playfully teasing her obviously masochistic boyfriend.
How about you just admit that you like to have your balls stepped on? Her behavior is completely unacceptable to any normal person. Fuck you and fuck her.
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>>119821794
Not monkey, even though she's a best, because she the only one I trust to protect her own smile.

I guess Cat, she deserves it after what she went through.
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>>119821938
>she deserves it after what she went through
Friendly reminder that most of what she went through (cat and tiger) was her own fault for not being honest with herself and with others and for not speaking her own mind
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>>119821341
Bake was the first story created and it alluded to both the events that happen in Kizu and the ones that happen in Neko:Black, so unless you started with Kizu and then went to Bake that would not be the case.

Oshino also mentioned in Kizu that he found Hanekawa unsettling and avoided meeting her as well as feeling like she was manipulating them and Araragi mentioned that he found her complete selflessness frightening. Even though the story leads toward their relationship growing it still shows hints of a serious issue being unresolved between them.
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>>119821898
Just because you wouldn't like it it makes her a cunt?

What kind of logic is that? Why does she have to care about what you think? Araragi is pretty cool with it.
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>>119821794
Crab because she's my waifu.
I don't care if Nadeko will enjoy getting gently walked home by me or not
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>>119822015
Anon, all of their problems come from within.

Why can't people understand that?
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>>119821794

Bat is my favorite, but I think I'd protect Snail's smile.
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>>119822102
Most of her problems were caused by her shitty circumstances, that's true, but what you do with your own life is your responsibility. Plenty of people had worse lives than her and still didn't grow up so fucked up.
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>>119822020
Neko Black was published over 2 years after Kizu and I'm sure he had an outline of Kizu written when he released Bake which was 4 years before Neko.
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>>119822211
I did not blame her circumstances. I said every girl's problems were their own fault caused by their reaction to outside forces.
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>>119811039
Senjougahara is like 3d in 2d form.

>slut
>mental issues
>abusive
>atheist
>doesn't put out
>acts better than she is
>tease

Why the fuck does anyone like this character?
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>>119821898
I don't think you understand what cunt behavior is.

Kicking the MC in the throat because you almost revealed your feelings for him is cunt behavior. Bullying another girl until she cries because you're a sociopath is cunt behavior.

Every single "cunt" thing people bitch about that Crab does has reasoning and thought behind it and is never done maliciously.
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>>119822271
>>119822211
Anyone would go insane growing up in a house where your parents totally ignore you. That's how niggers are created.
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>>119822291
Because people like to self insert
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>>119822291
If anyone else replies to this post this thread will become that much worse.
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>>119822291
>slut
>doesn't put out
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>>119822291
>Senjougahara is like 3d in 2d form.

No, that's literally Nibutani
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>>119822291
>slut
Yeah, not really

>mental issues
I'd like you to try not to have mental issues after your mother tried to have you raped when you were 10

>abusive
Only before she got past her trauma, which she does

>atheist
lolwat?

>doesn't put out
How is that a bad thing? And didn't you say she was a slut?

>acts better than she is
More like the opposite

>tease
Again, how is that a bad thing?

I swear to god, most crab haters seem to have seen only the first 2 episodes of the anime
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>>119822375
>doesn't put out
>has a whole arc about putting out
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>>119822453
>serious reply to bait
>taking crab hating autists seriously at all
You fucking retard
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>>119822291
>athiest
>actually listing this
This is like "Bait: The Post"
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>>119822520
>implying every line of the post is not that
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>>119822291
agreed
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>>119822550
Well, she is abusive and she does have mental issues. Those are character traits. So its not 100% wrong.
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Is Shinobu a healthy carrier for ebola, being a bat and all?
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>>119822591
She's not abusive though.
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>>119822627
You must have missed the start of Nise.
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>>119822627
She is.
Having a reason to staple his shit doesn't make her not abusive.
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>>119822627
>stapling a guy she just met's mouth
>locking up her boyfriend
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>>119822660
You must not understand what the word "abusive" means.
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>>119822660
It all was for his protection. Kaiki is dangerous.
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>>119822688
Causing physical pain because it makes he feel good. Causing mental anguish because it makes her feel good. Treating your significant other like they are complete garbage, because it makes you feel good.

Is that wrong?
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>abusive: a·bu·sive /əˈbyo͞osiv,əˈbyo͞oziv/, adjective: engaging in or characterized by habitual violence and cruelty.
Crab was abusive at the beginning of Bake, deal with it.
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>>119822704
Kaiki makes her pussy wet is what you must mean.

Everyone knows that when Aragi was tied up she was getting fucked by Kaiki and god knows who else.
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>>119822758
>habitual
>one time event
okay anon.

>>119822731
Well if you understand what it means how can you possibly call her abusive when she's never done any of those things?
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>>119821763
She stuck a fucking stapler in the guys mouth
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>>119822704
Kaiki is a helpless conman who's made of straw. Araragi isn't strong (although he's supposed to be), but he could kick Kaiki's ass and then some; assuming Kaiki isn't lying about being a pussy.
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>>119822789
>Kaiki
>fucking anything

pick one
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>>119822859
He canonically fucked Crab back when she first got her weight problems.
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So what I've gathered is that crab haters either didn't watch the series or saw her staple Araragis mouth and immediately decided to ignore every scene involving her for the rest of the entire series or they watched the show without subs.
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why is every Crab hater a vocal shallow minded autist?
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>>119822930
>fucked
She was canonically pure until Nise.
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>>119822930
No he didn't.
Go ahead, post the relevant passage from the LN or a cap from the anime.
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I enjoyed Sakurasou

>>119810961
But that is a popular opinion
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I honestly think Code Geass is the best shit ever, Guilty Crown was great too, Shu is my favorite anime character and Kaji Yuuki is a fucking god.
Valvrave was great fun as well except when they made Shouko behave out of character.
Anyone who says anime X or manga Y is objectively bad should kill himself.
inb4 watch more anime
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>>119822939
I just find her incredibly boring. Compare her to Shinobu, a thousand year old blonde vampre loli who loves donuts and lives in a shadow. Crab is too normal.
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>>119822930
>canonically
Wait, people actually believe this?
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>>119822930
>canonically
>I think this is true because I want to

Those two things are not the same anon.
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>>119811094

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctbgczbyb0

Do you take it in the ass?
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>>119823027
>Valvrave was great fun as well
You aren't allowed to hold this opinion.
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>>119822939
>this girl doesn't do things I like
>fucking cunt
Sounds like /a/ to me. Reminder that /a/ gets incredibly asspained when the girls aren't complete doormats to the MC which tend to be almost every tsundere/kuudere.
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>>119822985
>why is every baiter baiting with retarded, response provoking bullshit

Gee I don't know anon.
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>>119823106
But anon we all love Ume-sama
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>>119823027
>Anyone who says anime X or manga Y is objectively bad should kill himself
Shows can absolutely be objectively bad. You can still enjoy them, but things like animation, voice acting, poor writing, etc can most certainty be classified as objectively bad.
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>>119823027
Hey, I know you!
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>>119823163
But that anon is right
Even if you acknowledge objective values (which I don't), they can still be outweighted by subjective values therefore making the show better in one's opinion than a show with less ''objective values
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>>119814150
>pretentious
What?
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>>119822822
As I said, did you miss the start of Nise? Heck, did you miss most of Bake?
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>>119823229
Hey, I know you're a faggot.
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>>119823027
I could agree about Code Geass but Guilty Crown annoyed me too much. Valvrave was kind of fun, I guess, but yeah...sorry for Shoko
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>>119820312
Araragi accepted simply because crab asked. For long he had no self-esteem and had little care for himself, handling the kaii cases in a suicidal manner. When crab asked him out, Araragi didn't have any feelings for her. Instead he liked cat, but he could never imagine actually doing something about it. Crab also knew that Araragi didn't love her, and throughout Nise she was very concerned that Araragi would dump her, so she worked hard to change and cement their relationship. Which as far as I can see worked since ragi apparently grew fond of her as of Tsuki and tells her about all the supernatural shit.

The whole story with crab is a pretty good Nisio troll spin on the usual haremshit, I think.
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>>119822291
Yeah she is basically 3dpd that only normies like.
It's pretty shocking how many normies have infected /a/.
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>>119823097
10/10
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>>119823014
>by far the most popular monogatari girl with Shinobu
>popular opinion
Yeah no, it really isn't.
It's the vocal autists that make it appear that way, it's the same thing with Kokoro Connect threads where it appears like there's a high percentage of /a/ hating Inaba.

>>119823027
>Guilty Crown was great too
>Valvrave was great fun
>Anyone who says anime X or manga Y is objectively bad should kill himself.
Holy shit, I had a feeling that every person that gets assblased when someone says "x anime is shit" or "x anime is entertaining garbage" has to have utter shit taste.
Thanks for proving it
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>>119823027
>Valvrave was great fun as well except when they made Shouko behave out of character.
If that were the only issue with the second half.
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>>119823237
Now you're just getting too philosophical.

A person can enjoy eating shit out of a bowl for any number of reasons, but by any logical analysis, that is an objectively bad thing to do.

I understand that anime is an "artistic" medium and is subject to more subjective analysis, but if we all just say shit like "Well that's your opinion and I respect that" then there's hardly discussion to be had. Not to mention it goes against what this whole site stands for.

Perhaps what I should have said is that from a logical perspective, shows can be objectively bad, but you can still find value in something about it and perhaps that's enough to make you like it despite it's inarguable flaws.
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Kanbaru life is best life.
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>>119823475
>x show is shit
>y girl is SHIT
>discussion to be had on /a/
You're one optimistic fellow.
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>>119823397
Unless people rig every single poll I've ever seen about Monogatari, Shinobu is at the top followed by Hachikuji. I've either seen Crab near the bottom or in the middle. Never at top unless it was obvious proxyvoting (like once she had 98% of votes in a 2000 vote poll).

Hanekawa always at bottom since she's a shit

>>119823297
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>>119823475
No I'm not.
Shit is objectively bad for your health.
The fact that some stuck up ''critics'' sat and artificially decided what makes ''good'' writing doesn't make it an objective value.


Tamako TV series was also good if we're continuing the unpopular opinions topic.
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>>119823285
>Bake
She staples his mouth, which has nothing to do with abuse and is something she does with good reason, she spends the rest of Bake playfully teasing him, most of the time as his girlfriend. Keep in mind that Araragi enjoys the banter.
>Nise
Chains him up to protect him, doesn't physically or mentally harm him. Afterwards Araragi shows absolutely no signs of being the victim of abuse and they get along better than ever.

Araragi is a hard masochist, Senjougahara is a sadist. She could jam toothpicks in his eyes daily and it wouldn't be abuse because he's into that shit.

Just because you don't like what she does to him does not make it abuse.
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koyokoyo and yeah makes me wet
Wish I had Japanese name
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>>119814632
The only people that replied to that post were normalfags. This meme was made by /v/ermin normalfags
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>>119823682
>Plot that makes sense with consistent characters and themes

>Plot that reads like a 14 year old wrote fanfiction and they adapted it

One of these is objectively better than the other.

>BUT MUH ARTISTIC INTEGRITY, MUH OPINIONS, MUH SUBJECTIVE ANALYSIS
Fuck off back to tumblr.
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When did Araragi fell for Crab? Seems to me that he wasn't in love when they first started dating
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>>119820696
>Implying he wouldn't die for that body
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>>119823723
>>119823723
>Araragi is a hard masochist, Senjougahara is a sadist. She could jam toothpicks in his eyes daily and it wouldn't be abuse because he's into that shit.

Sounds like exactly the kind of convenient excuse someone that was abusive would use.
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>>119823974
Gonna guess Episode 12.
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I like Gahara, she can be very moe and cute at times, when she's not playing into the tsundere thing (which she isn't even really a tsundere)

Shinobu is the best girl though. Araragi knows this and knows he'll have to live forever as her vampire love slave for all eternity eventually.
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>>119823848
>typing

>like

>that
I think you should be the one to leave.
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>>119823986
How long are you planing to keep pretending to be retarded?
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>>119823974
here
>>119816291
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>>119823974
What was the episode where she did that hand stuff with him in the car, i'm gonna say that episode. I have never self inserted so hard in all my life.
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>>119823723
Someone enjoying the abuse doesn't make it not abuse. Also what kind of argument is this for everyone watching the show? Are we supposed to emphasize with this kind of relationship (if this is really what it is supposed to be)?
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Why do people try so hard to discredit an established couple? Makes no sense to me.
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>>119823671
Out of 4 - 6 polls I've seen across the two years or so, it's always Shinobu + Crab combo, no exceptions.

Ignoring proxy polls, of course. Not sure from what biased loli threads your polls came from
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>>119824130
The argument is that it was never abuse you fucktard.
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>>119824147
angry batfags mostly.
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>>119824193
How is it not abuse if you are abusing someone?
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>>119824130
>Someone enjoying the abuse doesn't make it not abuse.
So all S&M couples are in abusive relationships? Don't project your values and opinions onto other people.

Araragi and Senjougahara have a loving relationship, it's not perfect and neither are they, but they love each other and get along just fine with minimal issues.

Quit self inserting as Araragi and going "If that crab bitch pulled that shit with me, I'd dump her ass."
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I just don't want to see Kiss-Shot cry anymore...
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Man I just finished Bake, it actually wasn't bad, I enjoyed the narrative, it wasn't something I had seen before and I found it quite interesting to watch. After reading this thread I'm not sure I want to be apart of this fandom, I don't think i'll be moving on to Nise.
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>>119824269
Thank you for the blog.
The door is over there.
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>>119810961

>>119810961
I am happy someone shares my opinion. Apart from a nice body I don't see any other remarkable quality and her personality just plainly sucks. My theory is that she is just appealing to hard M faggots.
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>>119824309
You must be actually retarded if you seriously decide what anime to watch based on the fanbase
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You're all fucking retards.

Crab is abusive and a psychopath considering what she did in the first episode, no matter if she had a good reason to do so.

She WASN'T abusive towards Araragi when they got together.
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>>119824309
Honestly, Bake is the best part of the series. Nise, S2, Neko, Hana, Tsuki.... are fine but they don't have the same charm as Bake did. This is probably in part that they charged director and some other part of the staff.

I just want to see the Kizu movie already, because that is supposed to have the same director as Bake.
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>>119824309
>being this much of a cucklet
never breed, bub
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>>119824396
Yes because I come to /a/ to discuss it, I can't enjoy a show if I know how bad the fanbase is, it would make me feel like a shit eater for liking it.
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>>119824309
>reading a hate thread towards a character that attracts autistic butthurt and judging the fandom by it
>not watching a series because of fandom
You're stupid as shit, holy fuck.

That being said, Bake is by far the best in the series so it's not like you'll lose much by not watching the rest
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The best arc in the entire series happens well after Bake though.
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>>119824400
>abusive
Not at all
>psychopath
Wouldn't personally agree, but you can argue she was.
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>>119824482
>being this dependent on the opinion of other people you don't even know
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess
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>>119824469
None of us are ever going to breed anyway so that doesn't really work. That's like asking a nigger to never swim.
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>>119823671
>I've either seen Crab near the bottom or in the middle.

That literally never happens.
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>>119824482
Every show on this board has a terrible fanbase. The people who actually try to discuss a show without any shitposting are few and far between.
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>>119824619
Nice 3D reaction image meme friend.
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>>119824553
An arc that is as good as Bake happens at the end of the second season.
Snail is by far the best arc tho
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>aryan
>loli
>vampire
>underage body with adult mind
>can transform into older version
>will remain youthful looking
>doesnt wear panties
>sometimes dominant sometimes submissive
>lives in your shadow in a tight bond with you

faggots actually pick crab over this
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>>119823475
Art has no objective value. Art only has value insofar as it appeals to some subjective criterion. all an argument about art is is an argument about which criterion you find valuable, and how the work fulfills those criteria.
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Is it possible to watch this series and not choose a best girl?
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>>119824868
If a show has shit animation, poor voice acting, a garbage plot, bland inconsistent characters, and a shit tier OST, it's objectively bad.

You can take your art degree and shove it up your ass.
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>>119824824
Crab is by far the most interesting and entertaining character in the entire show, especially when combined with Araragi.
Therefore she's the best girl

Though if I could make any of the girls exist in real life, I wouldn't want Crab to exist at all considering her personality which would never work in 3D. I'd pick Shinobu
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>>119825032
>If a show has shit animation, poor voice acting, a garbage plot, bland inconsistent characters, and a shit tier OST, it's objectively bad.
Everything you said is subjective.
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This is an unpopular opinions thread right?

People have been spamming Haruhi threads lately, so I gotta get this one out: Haruhi was one of my fave series when it aired, but now after watching it all and reading all the LNs, I only find it mediocre and actually now hate most of the main cast. I would rather have had a typical dense harem MC than Kyon, and actual development of the non-brigade members who were much better characters (Asakura, Tsuruya, Emiri, Sasaki, Watahashi etc.)
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>>119824824

Truly best girl.
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>>119823974
Precise moment is when she's describing the stars for him and he goes into ppt mode recalling the past events they shared in the last few months.
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>>119825118
>and reading all the LNs
LNs were always trash

>I would rather have had a typical dense harem MC than Kyon
Why is that? Kyon is the sole reason I liked the show to begin with
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>>119825221
I found him annoyingly egocentric. He lacked resolve, and his introspective cynicism did not improve upon him as a character, in my opinion. I would rather have put up with an airhead who can at least properly appreciate the blessings he was surrounded by.
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>>119810961
Stop making these
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>>119825364
I have to disagree with you there. You might not like Kyon, but his narration makes Haruhi what it is. Otherwise it's just another generic SOL club show.
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>>119825364
>He lacked resolve
>who can at least properly appreciate the blessings he was surrounded by
Yeah, I understand what you mean.
Completely valid points, makes me feel kinda bad that I find him so entertaining
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