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The historical inaccuracies in this are just too fucking glaring.

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The historical inaccuracies in this are just too fucking glaring.
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Please point them out to me in detail I love learning.
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>>119682301
Why are those pikemen wearing such colorful uniforms
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>>119682332
>french knights not on horses
>no french crossbows
>france sending the basic infantry in first
>england getting pushed back
>france winning
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>>119682429
>witches
>dragons
Also, they were mercs.
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>>119682301
Isn't this show about a witch that those loses her powers when she loses her virginity? I recall there being other supernatural beings as well, just pretend it's an alternate universe or something.
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>>119682301

Mercenary corps.

They are strictly bring your own weapon-types.
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>>119682708
Sort of like modern LARP events then?
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>>119683010
LARP is strictly fantasy.
This is called medieval reenactment.
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>>119683118
With witches.
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>>119682301
the lack of hired Genoese crossbowmen is triggering my autism
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>>119682301
>Mercenaries levied from nearby villages
>Having proper armor
>Having proper weapons
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>>119682429
>He thinks that shitty comic was historical accurate
>He thinks it wasn't made by teeaboos
Protip: The French won the hundred year war

The anime is set after Joan of arc's death IIRC, and while it certainly isn't perfectly accurate, the only glaring inaccuracy I noticed were the gambesons having holes at the armpits, which means that they were probably based on reenactment replicas made by people who didn't know how to sew them properly.
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>>119682429
>France winning
You are aware that the Battle of Crecy took place in 1346, and the anime is taking place after Jeanne D'arc's death (1431), right?
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>>119682429
It takes place in the later stages of the war. Wich was pretty much perfid albion getting raped 24h/24h and not wanting to conclude peace on France's terms to stop the war because they were too buttdevastated to realize they no longer had any chance of winning.
>>119682301
Haven't watched the show yet, but I don't see anything inacurate here, unless it's supposed to be about a famous battle.
Also, I read a bit of the manga, and it's definitly not to be taken too seriously.
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>>119682429
1. We saw one French knight, he gave a speech to the peasant levy and mercenary foot, from horseback.
2, So? They wouldn't have been among the infantry we saw anyway.
3. This is set after even Joan has been burned, they've learned a bit from Agincourt, Crecy and Poiters by now
4. See above, this is late war
5. They do win
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>>119682429
>>france winning

Before WW2 French were pretty fucking badass.
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>>119683994
>and not wanting to conclude peace on France's terms to stop the war
What bullshit, this is during the reign of Henry VI being a pacifistic moron whose weak and ineffectual leadership eventually brings about the War of the Roses, but in France his and Beaufort's policy of trying to bring about peace fails spectacularly as the French realise that with such a king they can get back their land and then some.
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Atleast they got the part where there are witches and magic right.

Oh...
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>>119684187
Surely you mean
>Before the Franco-Prussian war
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>>119684187
>wrecked by Germany in WW1
>politically isolated for years before that
They were pretty shitty before WW2.
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>>119684187
Why did the French give up on Algeria? Why was de Gaul such a coward?
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>>119684187
Before the Franco-Prussian War, you mean. Since 1871 they've been Germany's bitch.
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>>119684416
Nah, I think they stopped being good after the revolutions and ww1 seeing as they're the only country to revolt against the king, the revolution the general who led them, another king and the revolution after that all in a row.

tl:dr revolting for shits and giggles on a yearly basis is pretty badass.
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>>119684589
WWI?
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>>119682301
>French witch a pure
>English witch a slut

I could handle the other stuff, but I can only suspend my disbelief so far.
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>>119684639
English women are notorious sluts though.
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>>119684416
>>119684589
They still performed pretty well in WW1.
>>119684553
Why did all Europe give up on their colonies? Rebellions were being funded both by the USA and by the USSR at the time, and, after ww2, nobody really wanted to fight anymore, so they figured that it wasn't worth keeping them.
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>>119682402
There was no reason for camo back then.
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>>119684604
You DO know that franco-prussian war happened in late XIXth century, hence after revolution and before WW1 ?

By the way, the revolution wasn't the only badass time. The war with pretty much all of Europe after that was pretty badass as well.
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>>119684653
>All these cavalrymen died during the first hours of the Marnes.
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>>119684653
Capitalism makes colonies pointless.
Bonds of debt are much more powerful than bonds of ownership.
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>>119682429
>knights must fight on horses

I hope you don't really think knights always fought on horseback.
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>>119684705
>The war with pretty much all of Europe after that was pretty badass as well.
Which time? It happened about three times in France's history.
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>>119684808
From 1792 to 1802. Which is right after the revolution.
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>There will never be anything about the Italian Wars
Look at the fucking Belligerents changing during the years.
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>>119684744
Not to mention, the Europeans were putting a lot of money into them, building infrastructure and stuff like that.
>>119685116
The first republic is the coolest French era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HFF9gnlY3c
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>>119685116
1792-1802 only comprises the first two coalitions. You're missing 5 more.
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>>119684744
WW2 drained and weakened the European colonial powers. They really couldn't hold on to them when they faced real resistance.
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>>119685226
>there will never be an animated series about the Thirty Years' War
>there will never be an animated series about the Great Northern War
>there will never be an animated series about the Reconquista
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>>119685559
>wanting to relive the Great Northern War
No thank you.
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>>119685559
>There will never be an animated series about the Gallic Wars
>There will never be an animated series about the Liberators War.
>There will never be an animated series about the Third Serviles War and the Social Wars.
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>>119685226
What in the fuck
Was that war fought by a bunch of spastics?
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>>119685559
>>there will never be an animated series about the Reconquista

San Iago, Parton of Spain, I pray for a Reconquista anime.

I'd also like to see a historically accurate Joan of Arc anime.
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>>119686878
So, I heard you like yourself some Reconguista.
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>No anime about the Battle of Lepanto

I want to see an animated sequence of the Virgin Mary interceding to secure victory for the Holy League against the Ottoman fleet.
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>>119682429
>french knights not on horses
No TRUE knight
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>>119685694
>There will never be an animated series about cossacs
>There will never be an animated series about Teutonic Knights
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>thinking history is legitimate
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>>119685559
>there will never be an animated series about the Thirty Years' War
Well, there's Horizon... kind of.
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>>119685559
Thirty Years' War, with genderbender lolis.
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>>119687883
>genderbender lolis
So, shota?

Also, they'd turn over 30 years old before the war is over.
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Wait, do you try to tell me there where no witches and magic back then?
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>>119687952
>implying true lolis ever grow up

But seriously, it would be fun to see TYW done similarly to how Oda Nobuna and similar novels/manga/anime/games did Sengoku period.
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>>119687883
She's not genderbent, but here's the Horizon interpretation of Anne of Austria.
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>>119684541
>Anyone, but especially Germany, wrecking anyone in WW1

Failing in nearly all of your key objectives doesn't constitute wrecking anon.
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>>119685559
>There will never be an anime about the Second Punic War

There's hardly anything about that war. Such a wasted opportunity,
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>>119688201
I should probably read novels of that stuff.
Though I remember I had a hard time following dialogs in anime during the negotiations scenes.
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>historical inaccuracies
>in fiction
If you want realism, anime is not the place to find it.
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>>119688411
You should.
The negotiations are a lot easier to follow in text form, mostly because they're more elaborated and commented upon than what is possible in 20 minute episodes.
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>>119687332
nips have boner for ottomans though
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>>119682301
I know, right. What they fuck were they thinking making this piece of shit, it's like they never read a history book. I mean I'm almost certain the French and English didn't all speak Japanese. What a load of bullshit this anime is.
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>Why did all Europe give up on their colonies?
France just lost a war in Vietnam when Algeria entered the equation, and colonial splendor isn't quite so alluring when there are kebabs blowing shit up and having gun battles in the streets of Paris.

>>119684729
Probably not--cavalry was still very useful and practical until the lines solidified, so until the battle of the marne ended and both sides dug in, the cavalry most likely still played major roles, after which they probably just got rid of the horses and served as infantry thereafter.
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>>119688598
>nips have boner for ottomans though
Do they? Shoukoku no Altair is the only kebab-related piece I can remember off the top of my head.
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>>119687952
What the fuck?
Since the preview came out everyone been jizzing over how historically accurate it is since the peasants are barefoot and the arrows bounce off the armor and everyone is using blunt force, and now people are saying it's the most historically inaccurate thing ever?

I'm not a history buff so I don't know who to believe now.
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Disregarding all the accuracy bullshit,
Is it actually an enjoyable anime?
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>>119688844
Who cares about that?
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>>119688781
It's almost as if different people with varying levels of knowledge (real and perceived) of late medieval warfare and combat might have varying degrees of satisfaction with the show's depiction.

>>119688844
Only one episode's come out so far, it's a little early to figure out just yet.
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I want to fuck her and abolish her powers.
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>Character literally references Joan of Arc's execution, meaning this is the very late stages of the war
>People bitching that everything isn't playing out like Crecy/Agincourt

Why are some people so dense
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>>119688781
It's more historically accurate than most anime or manga depicting medieval european warfare, don't let the negative nancies get you down.

Those weren't nights fighting on foot but footmen and mercs, and the actual knights were on horseback.
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>>119686463

Not spastics, just Italians.
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>>119689005
Not dense. They just think they know more than they do. Just like the guys who complained about the push of pike.
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>>119682301
>expecting Japs to know Euro history
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>>119689121
>expecting Euros to know Euro history
Differently from America, Europe has thousands of years of internal strife and intrigue.
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>>119689121
Some Japs know more than others.
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>>119689354
>Earth was warmer during the middle ages
global warming fags btfo
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>>119689492
Global warming is expected to kill the ice age we're supposed to be entering right about now.
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>>119689492
lel
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>>119689354
>Chile never getting any respect for it contribution to the world
Why live...
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>>119688921
Literally Hitler.
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>>119682332
Most witches in the middle ages were men, so there's that.
Think less Buffy type and more modern African witchdoctor. You know, the kind that chop up albinos for rituals. To cite a much later popular example, seven of the accused witches put to death at the Salem Witch Trials were middle-aged men.

The whole modern witches-as-medicine-women idea was created by amateur anthropologist and folklorist, Margaret Alice Murray, in 1917. Her idea's were capitalized on by Gerald Gardner, founder of Wicca in the 1940's. And that's how people now think witches were female pagan healers persecuted by a heavy-handed church, instead of creepy neck-beard nut-jobs selling curses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Murray
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Gardner_%28Wiccan%29
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>>119683728
>teeaboos
This made me giggle more than it should of
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>>119683728
>Protip: The French won the hundred year war

I thought it was the USA
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>>119689592
>Chile
>existing at that point
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>>119682301
Atleast it's colourful.
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>>119688844
Yes.
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>>119684744
Imperialism and theories like those were refuted a long time ago, anon.
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I've only watched the pre-air, but was this line the same in the Funimation release?

It was the only glaring inaccuracy I found, assuming the sub as accurate
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>>119686463
Italy was a weird place to live. Alliances were formed and split at the drop of a hat. They were pretty petty people, too.
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>>119689898
Good argument.
You sure convinced me.
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>>119689769
>that helm with a bust of a lady in a basket

What?
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>>119690112
Money doesn't necessarily buy style.
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>>119684187
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis
>French knights yet again lose a battle by being impetuous idiots.
Fun fact: The French only won the 100 years war because in the first 50 years they managed to kill enough of their nobility to learn actual tactics.
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>>119689968
>Popes going around waging war with everyone
>foreign princes going and coming as they please
>merc armies fighting one another like sports matches
>Arab pirates raiding regularly
>Venetians jewing everyone
Medieval Italy was fucking crazy
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>>119689937
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>>119690424
Left best girl
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>>119690424
Much better.
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>>119690231
Why hasn't anyone ever made a movie or show of the time where there were TWO popes basically splitting the catholic church.

And it was all masterminded by the Barberossa.
What a Master Troll.
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Any webm or stitches request?
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>>119682567
>Also, they were mercs.

Like most medieval forces, they were mostly levies.
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>>119690583
Because to a lot of people, the pope is sacred.

You remember the shitstorm that Dogma caused?
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>>119685226
How did Venice steal both HRE and the Papacy from the enemy onto their side?
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>>119690817
Dogma upset people because it was a disrespectful of Catholicism. Making a movie about the Avignon Papacy would be fine as long as it wasn't some secularist attack on the Church, which knowing Hollywood, it probably would be.
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>>119690875
They also defect to the side that was their original enemy. War in the past sure was amazing.
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>>119684541
>>wrecked by Germany in WW1

That is wrong.

Fucking up the Schlieffen-Von Moltke Plan and forcing them into trench warfare despite Germany having a higher population and a greater industrial base than France.
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>>119689530
I heard it was going to pamper it pretty severely, but killing it altogether? I mean, that doesn't sound unrealistic but whoa, that's bad.
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>>119689559
Is this from Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere?
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>>119683728

Nobody really won the 100 years war. It was disasterous for both sides
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>>119685226
Seems like Venice's strategy was:
>If you can't beat them, just confuse the hell out of them until nobody has any idea what this is about anymore. Then proclaim victory.

Sounds like the average shitflinging contest on /a/.
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>>119682301
at least it looks nice and doesn't have retarded outfits everywhere. also its about a magical girl in the middle ages, so I would think that is the biggest historical inaccuracy right there
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>>119690032
If you want arguments go read a book. I recommend The Question of Imperialism: The Political Economy of Dominance and Dependence by Benjamin J. Cohen
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>>119684553
>Why did the French give up on Algeria?

The army's attempt at torturing and using atrocities to tame the population turned the native population against them as well as those in metropole when all of it leaked. Didn't help that the military tried to coup the 4th Republic.
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>>119687883
The protestants as lolis or the Catholics? The HRE or the Protestant princes or France?
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>>119691257
Yes.
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>>119688236
Romans destroy shit, salt more ground. Also no elephants crossing the Alps this time.
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little girl roman legionnaire anime when?
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>>119691105
France came out with more territory than it had when the war started, though.
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>>119691072
Yup. Volume 2A, specifically.
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Kyoukai_Senjou_no_Horizon
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>>119688761
I always question if Shoukoku no Altair is just the mangaka having fun dressing the MCs in different costumes.
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>>119682301
Its cg like that Beserk movie scenes?
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>>119685226
Holy shit Spain, what are you doing?
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>>119690583
There's been a lot of times where there were two popes. There's even been a period where there were three popes. Then, people decided that fuck, if they had to deny the influence of the pope, they might as well just go ahead and secede from the Catholic church.
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>>119688761
Damn if it isn't great though. But Altair is pretty much an alternate universe take on the events given how either China or Japan invented guns.

But speaking of historical series that aren't accurate, I think Gunka would be pretty interesting for an anime adaptation.
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>>119684744
>Capitalism makes colonies pointless.

Actually capitalism is the entire point for colonies as a means to regulate the balance of trade. India as an example, the British were able to harvest raw materials for their textile mills at bottom barrel prices then reimport the finished goods back to India at higher mark by the use of trade barriers against foreign competitors.
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I want an anime about the muslims conquering and occupying Spain. Or maybe a doujin about the fate of all the nuns there
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>>119691503
That's mercantilism. It benefits capitalists, but it's not really "capitalism" as we know it.
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>>119685226
This is the shit that's happening in the Cesare manga right?
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>>119690875
Alliances changed during wars all the time back then. Sometimes it happened for convenience, sometimes it happened when a monarch died and policies changed with the new ruler.
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>>119691539
That'd be pretty boring, most of it was "That guy who you call king is a pansy ass faget. I'm your boss now".
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>>119691539
Converso traitor, please leave.
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>>119691030
Apparently, modern Italy picked up a lot of the tactics from Venice, since they did just that in WWI and WWII.
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>one or eleven errors
>shit show
>show me a show that has done less error and have decent scale combat scene that is actually shown not skipped with text
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>>119691539
I'd prefer one about Spain golden age, with Muslim lolis, Jewish lolis and Christian lolis all working in the same cafe with cute maid uniforms.
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>>119691486
Gunka would be fun, I wonder if we'll see more naval warfare seeing how the Holbeck are occupying the sea.
>>119691642
That was after they lost/close to losing though. The Venice in that war seem to be having the advantage and they just jumped over to the other faction.
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>>119689636
Only in Northern Europe though.
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>>119682429
>french knights not on horses
You do realize that the invention of pikes has rendered horseback fighting useless, right?
Even the cavalry charge of the 19th century can easily be annihilated by basic bayonets, let alone giant spears.
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>>119691390
Not just the MC. His entire entourage get to change outfits regularly with him as they travel.

The only characters who aren't part of his group that get to change clothes a lot are Lederick and her lackey because they are the only ones worth a damn under Louis.
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>>119689636
It makes sense to not want to kill all of your baby-makers. But in the eyes of the inquisition anyone could worship satan and perform dark rituals, and men were seen as more capable in everything anyways including the occult
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>>119691030
Sometimes this is exactly like my CK2!
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>>119691412
>Spain
>ever not fucking up
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>>119685226
Scotland, we know you have a hateboner for England, but do you really have to join a war half way across the world from you?
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>>119689769
>32
Medieval ballers are real, we're not so different after all.
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>>119691788
That's bullshit. Pikes have existed since antiquity, and it never made cavalry useless. Gunpowder and modern vehicles made cavalry useless.
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>>119691702
Maybe, I didn't wanna spoil myself with raws but judging from the latest chapter Rudolf is gonna try to pull a fast one and force a ceasefire so it might have to be pushed back for awhile. Then again Rudolf hasn't exactly pulled shit off keikaku doori ever since the flash back so I don't know.
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>>119691868
You can defect in CK2? Teach me your secret.
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>>119691486
>But Altair is pretty much an alternate universe take on the events given how either China or Japan invented guns.
The chinks got as far as portable firearms, so moving to guns isn't too big a stretch. It's just Europe learned to make them much, much better.

Gunka's also pretty good, the two've always went together in my mind.
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>>119685226
All the rest are countries, but the dutchy of Ferara said fuck you to everyone and threw their two or three stickmen into the fight.
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>>119691687
>The Jewish loli feigns conversion to Christianity and secretly conspires with the Muslim loli to overthrow the Christian loli's dominion over the cafe.
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>>119682301
Yeah man, witches were nothing like depicted.
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>>119691335
Did they win Normandy finally?
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>>119691941
MODERN gunpowder made cavalry useless. Cavalry was still useful well into the World War II.
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>>119691335
And the fighting was all on their land, fucking them up massively.
Territory isn't the only measurement.
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>>119691990
Witches were crazy old women who did shrooms in the forest and sold dubious potions. That's not moe.
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>>119682301
still better than shit I see on /co/
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>>119691105
What? France pretty much united its territory after the war (well, after taking Burgundy).

It's the population that suffered (like in any war).
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>>119691577
Ahhh, I see. Thanks anon!
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>>119692032
>well into ww2
Cavalry has had no combat purpose since WW1. That's simply a fact. And by WW2 they served no purpose at all.
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>>119682301
what anime is this? I love history anime but don't know many ;_;
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>>119691974
You don't quite understand what armies looked like in the middle ages, do you?
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>>119691941
I meant in the main field. Pikemen have been known to slaughter every single mounted knight that gets in their range.
Their sight alone has been known to demoralize entire platoons
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>>119691969
No that wasn't what I really implied. I'm saying they invented it, then they somehow lost the technology due to burning the tiny kingdom that produced it or something.

There's no fucking way chinks would do that. Look at Qin and the crossbow. They spammed that shit harder than bronze scrubs did 4 raxing marines back during early SC2.

And it's not like Altair didn't keep chinkland's attitude accurate. Even the old geezer is a sly fox at the end of the day. MC just happened to be able to afford his help.
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French knights are descended from vikings. You don't fuck with vikings, or if you do you play it dirty
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>>119691486
I don't get. You mean in Altair the Chinese did not invent guns? They actually invented guns in real life.
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>>119682429
>guaranteed replies.
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>>119692107

maria the virgin witch.
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>>119692111
>polish hussar
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>>119692015
Yes. They won everything on the mainland except for a few cities, which they got later.
>>119692032
By ww2, it was pretty much a relic of the past, even though they were used a bit. Horses were used mostly for transport at the time.
>>119692038
It doesn't matter, they still won. By your logic, the USSR lost ww2 as well since they lost tens of millions of people.
>>119692104
To be fair, cavalry did contribute a bit to fighting in ww2, but only just a bit.
>>119692111
You're still wrong. You said it "rendered horseback fighting useless", which is blatantly wrong since they were still useful from the middle-age to the 19th century.
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Place your bets on how long Maria the Virgin Witch threads will be 100 Years War history circlejerks

My guess is four episodes, that's about how many episodes it took for Muv Luv Tortilla Chips threads to stop being solely about how to remove BETA
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>>119691941
Heavy Cavalry didn't exist into some point far into the dark ages.
Before that, everyone rode small ponies.
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>>119691789
Remind me again. Ledreik - the trader?
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>>119692161
No, they did in Altair. However, it was a small kingdom within China or perhaps it was Japan that did. Either way, the greater whole of Cinali aka China in Altair took that kingdom down in some civil war or some shit and burned the technology away instead of stealing it for themselves.

It's one thing for chinks to burn books about ideologies and what not, but military technologies? Yeah right.
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>>119692104
>Cavalry has had no combat purpose since WW1.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

German, French and Belgian cavalry played a major role in the opening actions of World War I, and cavalry was extremely viable (and used extensively) by the Russians, Austrians and Germans on the eastern front. During the Polish-bolshevik war cavalry also played a pivotal role.
>And by WW2 they served no purpose at all.
Soviet cavalry played a major role in the Russian theatre, and Polish cavalry with horsedrawn AT guns were quite successful in the early actions of the war.
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>>119692107

Junketsu no Maria
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>>119691938
32a
That pope hat.
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>>119692221
>You're still wrong. You said it "rendered horseback fighting useless"
Yes, it was an exaggeration but my point is that, after the pikes were perfected, the purpose of the cavalry was pushed back into scouting, flanking, and transport.
Never in the main field again

Literraly every knights dismounted whenever they enter the battlefield.
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>>119692260
No I'm talking about best girl. You know the only villain that isn't completely one dimensional in the empire.
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>>119691989
When do we gets to the moe moe inquisition?
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>>119682429

different battles have different strategies.
and france won the 100 years war, you butthurt bong.
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>>119692348
Flanking counts as being on the main field. But yeah, obviously they weren't going to just make a frontal charge on pikes. Everyone knows that.
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When did France take over Brittany?
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>>119692394
It will be unexpected.
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>>119692348
Not every battle is going to be against a bunch of pikemen who are set up behind stakes. Flanking is a common practice anyways
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>>119692289
Since WW1, meaning after. They saw plenty of use during it initially, but warfare as a whole changed throughout the course of the war. By the end their purpose had almost entirely eroded.

And horsedrawn carts isn't cavalry, anon.
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>>119692109
Feudal Lords raising conscription?

Please clarify anon.
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>>119691590
You don't think the dramatic 180 change in daily life would make for an interesting slice of life?
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>>119692129
What are the other nation analogy again?
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Why do people say the hundred years war was England vs France?

It wasn't. It was House Anjou vs House Valois. It just happened that among their titles, House Anjou had the Kingdom of England.

Both sides had French and non-French allies. And both were French families with good claims on the throne.

The war was decided mostly on who had the strongest French allies (IIRC, Burgundy and Brittany) and had the Anjou won, what would actually happen is that King of the French would be their main title.
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>>119692384
>Kingdom's most powerful woman is queen of the mountain people
>Altair's most powerful warrior is a duchess of a mountain fiefdom
>Ravages most competent female, the MC's wife, has a family name that literally means mountain

Is there some clever reference I'm missing out on or is this a string of coincidence?
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>>119692237
But that was the most entertaining part of /a/. Remember the /a/ war conference on BETA image?
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>>119690112
Don't judge, that's his waifu. He only made it back alive because she was protecting him.
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>>119685559
Man, I want a Reconquista anime so fucking bad. Or a Musou game, or something. Japan can make everything more interesting, and I honestly just want to see Portugal in anime done right.
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>>119692399
>>119692450
Which...unfortunately is easier said than done.
It takes only a single pear to nuetralize a knight and its mount.
It was so difficult in fact that the first cavalry charge that actually worked in its attempt to flank the artillery was recorded in history as also the last.
I cannot remember the name of that battle though, sorry
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>>119691943
>force a ceasefire
That's a shame, well I hope we get to see the Hobeck attempting to storm a well fortified and entrenched beach atleast once, the machine gun against the elite cavalry make me want to see more one sided killing.
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>>119692384
Ah her. My bad.

I do have to catch up to all these chapter I missed after the bird poop island arc.
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>>119692509
I have no idea how their life changed but given there were different law and districts for jews, muslims and christians I'm guessing not much. Now I'm curious though.
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>>119692525
I actually don't remember, chinkland was easy since they were obviously chinks and the map clearly showed Cinali in China's territory. It dwarfed Balt Rhein like nothing after all.
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>>119692452
>Since WW1, meaning after.
The Polish-bolshevik war was in 1920, anon.

>They saw plenty of use during it initially, but warfare as a whole changed throughout the course of the war.
Yes, and Canadian cavalry still charged at the end of the hundred day's offensive.

>And horsedrawn carts isn't cavalry, anon.
Again, you still have no idea what you're talking about. Cavalry. With sabers and rifles. The Soviets used them well into the war for breakthroughs and intercepting supply lines. Again, they sustained huge losses, but that could be said for the Soviet Union as a whole.
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>>119692607
>Which...unfortunately is easier said than done.
Writing up every battle as being a picture perfect example of what you think every battle was like is easier said than done, anon
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>>119692509
But Spain was always Muslim and Berber before the Reconquesta? The kingdom of Austuria was tiny and to the North before.
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>>119692348
Both hussars and dragoons were very useful up into the 19th century especially during the napoleonic war. It's just that they had to be used in conjuction with artillery/canon and infantry support to break up and destroy infantry formations.
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>>119692606
>Man, I want a Reconquista anime so fucking bad.
>inb4 G-Reco
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>>119692269
Ah, I see. Yeah, the Chinese would be unlikely to do that.
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>>119692707
Too late. >>119687054
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>>119692701
The Muslims took Spain from the Visigoths.
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>>119692607
Look at this nigger not knowing shot about combined arms
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>>119692560
Brittany counts as a strong ally? Do you mean Britain or the count of Brittany in the peninsula?
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>>119691702
For WWI, sure. WWII was something else, as the Kingdom of Italy shifted to the Allies' side when they outed Mussolini. Venice didn't jump over to other faction though, they got threatened to get the League of Cambrai on their ass by the pope because they weren't okay with the intrigues surrounding the way the pope, the Spaniards and the Holy Roman Empire wanted to split the conquered territories in 1513.
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Who summoned /k/?
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>>119692561
The huns anon.

The huns.

MC has a wife?

>>119692606
How is it going to work? POLITICS with Spain or Fuck your shit, I am conquring the new world?

Where did Portugal originate from anyways?
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>>119687332

>Two months later, at the Battle of Lepanto, the united Christian fleet destroyed the Ottoman fleet, but was unable to take advantage of this victory. The Ottomans quickly rebuilt their naval forces, and Venice was forced to negotiate a separate peace, ceding Cyprus to the Ottomans and paying a tribute of 300,000 ducats.

A blip on the Ottoman radar. They won the war.
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>>119692772
>a thread about historical accuracy in a depiction of medieval warfare
What were you expecting?
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>tfw no wooden warship anime set in the atlantic ocean
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>>119691926
The war was mainly in Northern Italia, but England got into the fray to get some more clay in Northern France, so the King of France told the King of Scotland to attack England to distract the English.

But it didn't work.
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>>119692702
And they were recorded to be easy preys for the bayonets

>>119692747
My point is that the mounted combat is not as practical as the movies make it seem to be
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>>119692654
>Balt Rhein
Is this HRE or Byzantine?

Ottomans were primarily struggling against the remenants of the Byzantine Empire at that time.
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>>119692613
Hey that's just my gut feeling, maybe the fort siege will go through first. Still my opinion is that Rudolf wouldn't let Holbeck go full retard. If Captain Nielson was considered an elite, then I'd hate to see what the infantry under the normal commanders would do. Maybe they don't even carry guns and just charge with axes?

Holbeck's just crazy period. Why the fuck would you pillage and killing people in the territory that you are trying to take back anyways?
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>>119692856
>the movies
What movies? Were we even talking about "the movies" in the first place? Are you pulling out a strawman now?
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>>119692668
Their usage was still coming from nations that were relatively under equipped. They were used by the soviets because they couldn't logistically support motorized transports, not because they were an effective method of combat.

There's a reason every major western military had phased them out completely.
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>>119692744

Ahhh my bad. Thanks anon!
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>>119692907
Horses still had a niche to fill though. Nothing changes that.
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>>119692907
I think that horse-mounted units were used quite effectively in Scandinavia and Canada - large regions covered in snow and ice.
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>>119692854
This is exactly like my family drama!
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>>119692811
The huns had an overpowered woman? I only know Atila the hun.

And yeah, the MC in Ravages is already a full fledged adult in the current chapter with a kid on the way. And the series isn't even half over.
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>>119692824
They replace the ships, but too many experienced sailors had died that they avoided any further push into Europe and high-risk confrontation with Christian forces.
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>>119692907
>There's a reason every major western military had phased them out completely.
Like France and Germany?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_World_War_II
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>>119692866
We need Hox or someone who knows his shit, I can't figure it out between the two either.
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>>119693022
I need to catch up.

I meant more as a people of the mountain/steeple.
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>>119687054
I don't think anyone likes autistic girls.
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>>119692907
>Their usage was still coming from nations that were relatively under equipped.
>There's a reason every major western military had phased them out completely.
You are aware every single major nation, regardless of equipment, had organic cavalry at the outset of the war, and some of them (Germany and the USSR) still used them at the end of the war? Germany was hardly "under equipped" and they continued to use cavalry as late as 1945. The Soviets, who by 1944, WERE capable of making as many tanks as they damn well pleased, still actively used cavalry. They were still an effective method of combat.
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>>119689636
So witches were less Maria, and more like Kaiki Deiishuu?
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>>119692872

Let's be fair now. Baltzar is way ahead of the curve, even those fancy generals in Weiben would have been slaughtered if they were in the same position.

People were still old fashioned no matter which nation they belonged to.
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>>119693091
She cured herself of autism just recently anon. Keep up
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>>119691921
But that is Lord Fucking Nelson.
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>>119693050
>france
>WW2
Worked out really well for them!
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>>119693125
So it is fun to watch now?
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>>119693140
The country that beat them (Germany) and one of the nations that won it all (Soviet Union), also still used organic cavalry until the end of the war. Point is the "under equipped" part is pure bullshit.
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>>119691921
>ironically naming the spanish fleet invincible
English dickery at its finest
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>>119692811
The Reconquista had quite a bit of intrigue between the Christian states and even within the Muslim invaders (mostly conflict between Berbers and Arabs). There were even times of cooperation between Christian and Muslim leaders to ensure peace.

Spanish territories at that time was actually formed by several kindoms. Portugal was just a county that revolted, succeeded in becoming independent and ended up being successful in war against its neighbors, even against the Spanish.

The age of discoveries was a different time-period altogether (but still somehow linked by certain events). It would also make great fiction fodder.
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>>119693083
Oh okay. I was mainly referring to manga that keeps showing very powerful or influential females and having them come from the mountains.

Actually, that old grandmother in A Bride's Story was also a mountain woman, and she was obviously the strongest character in the series by a country mile. No one could fuck with her, even with rifles.
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>>119693245
Germany didn't have problems building tanks, but they had huge trouble with oil. You could very well call them under-equipped.
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>>119693226
Well rairaraya is an actual character now and not an awkward tag-along, so its better.
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>>119692751
The Duke of Brittany. An independent duke to the west of France.
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>>119693289
>but they had huge trouble with oil
Certainly not in 1939-1940. Calling them under-equipped is pretty dishonest.
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>>119693311
But is the story still as retarded as ep 1?
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Sorry to interrupt your history debates, but I really hope someone makes a webm of that archer getting shot down. That was strangely hilarious to me.
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>>119693226
I think now that things have actually been properly established and explained, Tomino's inane dialogues and pacing are easier to follow.
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>>119693245
Soviets won through raw numbers,industrial output and resources. They were woefully underequipped by any measure. They are exactly the kind of country described as technologically backwards
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>>119692900
(just got back)
I was thinking that you believe that the mounted knights are actually as useful as what is shown local entertainment shows.

Glad to see you're not.
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>>119693364
the story is just a mechanism for having a big fight every episode with the main gundam using a different add-on each episode. does it really matter?
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>>119691845
>the inquisition
The Spanish Inquisition (the killing one) was about hunting Jews and Protestants, not witches.
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>>119693266
Independence from Galacia?
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>>119691969
Chinese didn't have the need in guns at that time. War-thorn Europe did, though.
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>>119693405
>They are exactly the kind of country described as technologically backwards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34

>The finest tank in the world —Field Marshal Paul Ludwig Ewald von Kleist
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>>119693405
Technologically they were fine.
They just didn't have logistical capability.
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>>119693435
That bad? Even Gundam Wing never descended to that level!

>>119693402
Good to know.
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>>119693361
Yes they fucking did. They burned through their meagre supplies far, far faster than they could replenish them, they only had supplies in the first place due to incredibly creative accounting (including inventing a separate fucking currency for only the military) to hide the fact that they were bankrupt, and the reason they needed to conquer so much so fast was to capture the supplies that they needed from their enemies
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>>119692623
Do it anon. Some of the best chapters are after that.
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>>119693423
I post on /a/, how much western entertainment do you think I or anyone else here really consumes in the first place?
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>>119693465
The medieval inquisition.
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>>119693405
>Soviets won through raw numbers,industrial output and resources.
So did the United States,

>They were woefully underequipped by any measure.
Were the Soviets making trinkets with their industrial output? Industrial Output is important because that's what is necessary to equip those raw numbers. The Soviets were woefully underequipped from 1941-1942. By 1944-1945 they were just as well-equipped as their other allies.
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>>119682429
I assume OP's pic is supposed to be Agincourt, then?
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>>119693529
>Invent a currency for the military
>Bankrupt

Do tell more anon. I am interested.
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>>119693468
Too niche, but I would get a raging boner at that depicted in ANY format.
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so how come people never invade Russia when it's not Winter?
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>>119682301
You fucking bad numbskull, I thought it was accurate as fuck for a japanese cartoon about witches and magical shit.
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>>119693529
I think that you're confusing the beginning of the war with the end of the war.
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>>119693565
Most of the time the Inquisition was just correcting people who unknowingly were spreading false doctrine. Some blacksmith who didn't know any better being corrected on some finer theological point.

The witch hunts happened in later times in mostly protestant countries.
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>>119693643
Both Napoleon and Hitler invaded Russia in June.
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>>119693594
No, Agincourt took place decades before the show started.
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>>119693635
It is just king Alfonso is an asshole! He marched on us to recover lost relics! Boohoo!
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>>119693405
>>119693289
>Germans were underequipped because they didn't have oil
>France was underequipped because most of their tanks and artillery was outdated and their cavalry division tanks communicated with signal flags
>United States was underequipped because >Shermans >muh tank destroyer doctrine
>UK needed lend-lease because they WERE underequipped, and their carrier divisions were using outdated planes
>Soviets were underequipped because they relied on "sheer industrial power" and because, for a two and a half year period they seriously, seriously needed Lend-lease
>Japan was underequipped, as most ships didn't have radar and Japanese tanks were shiiiiiiittttt
So who ISN'T underequipped by your count?
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>>119693643
They do. It takes so long to get anywhere, trudging through all those dead russians covering the ground, that suddenly you realize you need to turn the fuck around before you get snowed in.
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>>119693552
What? most chinese cartoons that features a fantasy setting treats the mounted knights similar western entertainment
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>>119693520
>That bad? Even Gundam Wing never descended to that level!

Not him, and I haven't caught up to the latest episodes but yeah that's the gist of it. The choreography is nice, but that's about it and the MC is pretty amusing because he's basically if a gamer was streaming as they play Gundam Dynasty or something. You know, like if Spider Man except not remotely funny and more whiney.

At least you see tons of shit happening at once on screen though during fights. That's really what matters. No Kung-Fu Gundam doing a jump kick for 5 seconds only for everyone else to stand there in amazement until he smashes the enemy.
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>>119693643
Because you attack the enemy when they least expect it.
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>>119693757
Canada.
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>>119693757
Welcome to war, where everything goes to shit.
The US weren't really underequipped though, they just weren't really involved in the war until later (and even then not really).
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>>119693777
and no one is stupid enough to take that as fact either
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>>119693643
The Mongols conquered Russia on winter. Some nobles have Mongol blood because of that.
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>>119693757
Everyone was underequipped, did you forget about something called World War One and the Great Depression that destroyed most countries military capacity?

The US were only underequipped at the start of the war, once they got their economy rolling things improved, they were outproducing Japan something like 10 to 1
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>>119693778
I...

I rage quit.

I was hoping for a followup to Turn A. But no.

Not even about reconquesta.
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>>119693861
Did the mongols come on horseback?
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>>119693861
I keep forgetting that the Mongols every now and then would just fuck up all the major powers of the time until only recently..
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>>119693830
Umm...yes.
Medieval strategies are not common knowledge. Not even in /k/. Trust me, I tried this topic once and it was like a history lesson for them
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>>119693643
Why didn't Hitler invade England after Dunkirk?
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>>119693818
Canadian carriers in WWII:

A grain barge with a catapult installed to launch one plane. One. With no option to recover it.

Somehow we still beat the U boats. Might have something to do with what was being developed under Casa Loma in Toronto.
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>>119693920
He tried, it's called the battle of Britain.
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>>119693920
Hitler had a personal vendetta with Russia. He was not a very smart man.
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>>119693818
Have you seen Dunkirk?
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>>119693829
>>119693884
>>119693818
I was being sarcastic. My point is that you could argue every nation actually involved in the war was underequipped at some point or another (even in 1945 most Shermans was allotted iirc 1 HVAP shell a month). And at that point the argument that "only underequipped nations used horse cavalry in World War II" becomes pointless.
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>>119693917
uhhhhh yeaaaa. okay. ugh.
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>>119693759
It would be easy to invade Russia if you set up points that you take each year and fortify them till the next winter ends before moving forward. Everyone just wants to rush at the capital and get stuck.
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>>119693923
Or, you guys just aimed the catapult real well to launch the planes AT the u-boats. I mean it's Canada, don't you have like an Eskimo or Inuit detachment or something? They can save whoever pilots the plane anyways. Or summon killer whales.
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>>119693923
That's at the start of WWII, by the end there were like 30. There were a few more during WWI as well, thanks to the good old naval crisis, it's just that they were pretty shitty and got stood down.
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>>119693140
Could've worked out way better for us if the military leaders hadn't fucked up in every possible way at anticipating yet another invasion through the Ardennes.
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>>119693987
And the Russians are going to just take this lying down, I assume?

The farther in you are, the more strongpoints you're going to have to build to protect your supply line. And it's fucking Russia, Russians will find a way to sneak and kill your convoys anyway until your whole entrenched army starves to death.
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>>119693969
But that's the reason they were used. Because people didn't have access to motorized alternatives.
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>>119693987
>it's easy to invade Russia if you have perfect logistics+ways of keeping them protected, knowledge of the environment, and equipment designed to survive in a drastic range of temperatures different than what they're used to

Might as well say "it's easy to fly, you just need to have wings"
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>>119691172
What would a Jew know about empires?
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>Needed help to stand up because he was wearing armor

I'm still mad.
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>>119694061
Of course not but the winter is brutal on them also the reason they always win is because the enemy rushes through the country and the Russians are already entrenched. Clear out a set amount of cities and fortify then when winter ends move forward.
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>>119694013
Only West Coast aboriginals have the spell summon Killer Whale and Summon wereorca!

The Inuits just have summon: Polar bear.
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>>119694083
They certainly know how to leave them.
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>>119694069
>But that's the reason they were used. Because people didn't have access to motorized alternatives.
No, it's not.
Russia after 1944 had more than enough access to raw resources and had the industrial power to motorize themselves, given they produced more tanks than anybody in the whole war. They still used cavalry because it was still effective.
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>>119694021
30 ships.

But no carrier.

Only ever owned two carriers, and they were all built in Britain. They were also transferred after the war ended and never saw much action.
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>>119694095
it was just a scene to show he wasn't really ready and had never done this before, someone who is basically still a child going to war. and you can't even see that because you're hung up on historical accuracy. you should stick with documentaries and school text books I think
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>>119694156
Canada did train most of the Commonwealth pilots though.

They had a bunch of damn good instructors there.
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>>119693025

>avoided any further push into Europe and high-risk confrontation with Christian forces.

Ottoman-Hapsburg wars went on for another 200 years in Europe and the Ottomans controlled the Mediterranean for most of that time.

This was the next major confrontation in that saga and a decisive Ottoman victory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Keresztes
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>>119694083
The book is more about Imperialism as a theory and political economy. I'm pretty sure that jews know their shit when talking about economy.
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>>119694110
>the reason they always win is because the enemy rushes through the country and the Russians are already entrenched.
It's not, the Russians were fighting a desperate retreat to the gates of Moscow. Stalin didn't properly anticipate the German Invasion.

>Clear out a set amount of cities and fortify then when winter ends move forward.
And who is going to feed those cities? Russia will burn every farm and uproot every track from here to Vladivostok, and if you rely on supply convoys deep in Russia you're just asking to be cut off and starved to death. Fortifications can't beat hunger.
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>>119691754
Southern Europe too.
Witchcraft was a capital offence in pre-Christian Rome and Greece. Most pagan societies outside of the pre-Columbian Americas didn't tolerate witchcraft.
Only now that we've reinterpreted what witchcraft was into a friendly, neo-pagan, feminist Hollywood version, do we approve of it.

The following links to contemporary cases can give you insight into what actual, historical witchcraft was really like, and why even a lot of pagan societies banned it:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/mar/05/india.theobserver
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/19/ukcrime.hughmuir
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20100321-260014/Bangladeshi-man-beheaded-to-redden-bricks
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/raipur/Witch-doctor-gets-death-penalty-for-beheading-boy/articleshow/19588624.cms
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1203/p07s01-wosc.html/%28page%29/2
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>>119694116
Well then, I guess they just aimed the catapult real well. We're talking about the thing that throws rocks right?
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>>119694316
This is Canada. You throw Maple syrup. Frozen Maple Syrup.

Also, of note, Project Habakkuk was experimented on in Canada. So Canada could have the world's only floating iceburg carrier.
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>>119691172
>'go read a book'

anon, realize that there are many books on that topic.
you should read more than one.
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>>119694023
no one anticipated it because von mannstein pulled it out of blue after the french had intercepted their earlier war plans (which was just a repeat of wwi).

>>119693140
well blame bad leadership and the great depression for it
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>>119694299
Where is the sources on the number of males vs female persecuted for witch craft in Southern/Western Europe, good anon?

I am legitimately curious. The only thing I could find was that man's quote that anyone interested in it did not look beyond the inquisition book.
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>>119694411
So what you're trying to say is Canada planted that giant iceberg in front of the Titanic for a test run right?
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>>119694427
>>119694023
It helps that most of the German High Command was just as surprised as the BEF and French when Rommel and Guderian broke through the ardennes as fast as they did. Everybody (French, British, German, Belgian) knew the war would be fought in Belgium (that's the job of the maginot, to allow a proportionally small force to defend most of the border such that the majority of the French Army could fight in Belgium), almost all of them were just surprised exactly where.
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>>119694427
>because von mannstein pulled it out of blue
The fact that the enemy hasn't thought of it yet doesn't mean I shouldn't be prepared for it.
A proper armor protects the entire body, not just the parts that statistics show are usually targeted by the enemy.

(although I heard a funny story about some retarded engineers trying the opposite during WW1)
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>>119694234
I never said it ended the War, only that it stopped further westward expansion past the Mediterranean. It also proved that the Ottomons weren't invincible.
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>>119693757
>Japanese tanks were shiiiiiiittttt
were there really such a need for tanks in the pacific theater? I mean, I understand not all the specks of islands they fought on were densely jungled hellholes, and they got airbases to defend/attack/etc, but still. I thought
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>>119694657
objectives had to be captured by men on foot. men on foot don't deal with tanks very well. yes there is a need for tanks.
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>>119689636
>history from 4chan
heh
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>>119693654
This was during the beginning of the war. It was why they went through the gold reserves of their occupied countries (Austria/Poland/Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg/Yugoslavia/Greece/Czechoslavka/Bulgaria/Hungary/Romania/Denmark) like candy. The rearmament program was so cash strapped like >>119693529 said that they were issuing phoney money by that point even before the war (that could only be used for taxes and other government related fees)
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So guys speaking of history, when's the next chapter of Historie coming out?
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>>119694729
didn't you hear?
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france obviously won but england lasted a long time considering france had higher population and more resources

england ran out and got btfo
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>>119694711
Did people invest in these because they had to or because they expect to make a profit in the end?
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>>119694657
they relied mostly on the same doctrine as the french had: infantry support.
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>>119693612
The third reich was economically a series of
>fuck, we're broke!
>what do we do?
>lets conquer territory x!
>yay resources! lets party!
>fuck, we're broke again!

At first they could get away with doing things with peaceful annexations like Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, and then with forceful annexations like Poland, BeNeLux, France, and the rest.

The currency thing was in part due to the Germans desperately avoiding a repeat of the Wiemar mark hyperinflation. This was done in part by bullshitting and in part by obtaining the gold reserves of the annexed/conquered territories.
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>>119694540
Did it launch bombers at the Titanic? If not they did a poor job at it.
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>>119694560
The Maginot was meant to include the Ardennes and the Belgian border. But the engineers said Ardennes was low priority since interwar tanks would have had trouble going through dense forest, so that area was not nearly ready. (ironically, the French horse cavalry was there)

You may as well blame Tom Phillips for losing the Prince of Wales because all previous intelligence and knowledge said the Japanese couldn't possibly project air power more than 200 miles.
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>>119694817
Ahhh thanks anon!
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Lots of literal semen demons this season. I like it.
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Speaking of England, what happened to the Kingdom of Wales?

We never heard anything about them outside of being a part of Great Britain.
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>>119692568
i do, aslo muv luv was shit so the only good thing that came out of it was the war conference.
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>>119694776
Hitler was a very convincing figure. People believed in the government.
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>>119694899
nobody gives a shit about the welsh
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>>119694940
I know they fuck sheep and all, but they make great archers I thought?
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>>119694560
Wouldn't have helped them much anyway. The French high command was still running on WWI time tables. It would take them 48 hours just to figure out what was happening, and 1 week for a proper counter-offensive. That put them on a huge back seat against the Wehrmacht, who could plan, organize, and execute a new attack in under 24 hr. It's how the Nazis did so well in the early war, when the still had a bunch of panzer Is (AKA a tractor with machine guns bolted on)
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>>119694937
I am looking forward to the next man who tries this.
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>>119694937
The highest Hitler's popularity was, during polls that were controlled by the government and quite literally had armed Nazis in the booths watching you vote, was around 43%, and he lost almost every non-rigged election, I wouldn't quite say people believed in him.
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>>119694424
Maybe so, but this one addresses the question from both an economic and historical point of view, explaining the basis, history and evolution of the theory and providing empirical evidence to refute it. Plus, it is easily understandable so that one might be enough.
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>>119695019
I thought he had man twisting your arm outside the booth?
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>>119695019
He was basically a religion.
The Germans thought he'd win the war until 1945.
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Did /gsg/ migrate to /a/?
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>>119694754
No. Do tell.
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>>119695080
if you read the personal diaries of any german around before 1945, basically no one thought winning was possible. germany still being around at the end of it all was what anyone could hope for
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>>119682301
Why does some of the warriors look like samuraï?
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>>119695013
whoever that guy is, would be really somethings. It's impossible now, what with atheism, lack of belief in any form of authority among the youth etc.
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>>119694823
What about bacon does that count?
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>>119694940
Askeladd died for Wales. And he ruined Vinland Saga by doing so.
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>arguing about historical accuracy in anime
>when there are fucking dragons
never change /a/
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>>119695133
I read through "Soldiers", and they were talking about him quite clearly as a messiah.
Later, when they realized the war wasn't going very well, they put the blame on the people around him who probably lied to Hitler. But they still believed. The V2 was a major point for them, as were the new planes. It was only a few months before the actual end that the last hope actually died.
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>>119695215
>why can't every chapter just be nonstop murder
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>>119695238
I think /tg/ is visiting. Hi /tg/!
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>>119695238
>implying dragons didn't exist
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>>119695326
Does /tg/ not make everything better though?

Ask the retarded dragon girls.
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>>119692771
Wasn't the coup against Mussolini directly related to how the Allies were gaining enough land in Africa that they were able to invade and bombard mainland Italy? Not to mention Mussolini allowing German forces to garrison in Italy. That's doing pretty bad in the war.
And thank you for explaining about Venice, the war sound really interesting with its shifting alliances. I'll find some book to read on the subject.
>>119692872
Aye, though all the leader of Holbeck we've seen so far are merely tactical level leader, maybe there's more competent generals planning stuff back in Holbeck land.
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>>119695280
Why can't a manga stay within one genre?
You don't abandon your old atmosphere for so long and excuse it as character building.
Berserk and Vagabond have character building arcs, but you can still clearly see the merits you started the story for in the first place.
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>>119695280
>implying Askeladd wasn't the most interesting part of the politics
>implying Askeladd didn't have the most depth out of all the characters
>implying Askeladd didn't experience the most realistic growth during the prologue

Look at this retard. I bet you thought Thors dying and Thorfinn letting himself get punched was manly.

Come back when you get some common sense, or learn to lift the bar for bench press.
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>>119695443
Thorfinn letting himself get punched was the best chapter in the entire series and the climax of what it had been about since day 1, him becoming his dad.
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>>119694940
>nobody gives a shit about the welsh

Saber and King Arthur are welsh
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>>119694899
The last time they rebelled was Owain Glyn Dwr back in the 1490s. After that that English stuck them in coal mines and everybody forgot about them.
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>>119695561
who gives a shit about saber?
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>>119695561
I don't give a shit about Saber and King Arthur.
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>>119695561
Saber a shit
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>>119694940
They're very irrelevant, but I like the accents and their ridiculous language is fun to learn. Also, Welsh mythology a best.
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>>119689636
>Most witches in the middle ages were men,
Anon, male witches are called Warlocks.

>>119689354
>that stuff about the New World
That's pretty funny. There's a company here that sells "Old World" tomato sauce for pasta.
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>>119695501
You're clinically retarded. Not even moralfags are this stupid.
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>>119695280
>not wanting to read conan the barbarian the viking
Go fuck yourself. For the record Conan comics are great anyways
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>>119691172
Shit, I'm late to the thread, I remember reading a book from this guy some time ago, but I can't find that one that isn't some 10 dollar 2 page review
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>>119695577
Oh right King Edward conquered Wales.
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>>119695641
You have genuinely missed the entire point of the series and everything Thorfinn went through. I don't know what else to say.
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>>119695627
What is it with Wales and dragons?

St. Patrick?
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>>119695716
No retard, I understood the entire point of the series. I'm just not brain dead enough to bandwagon thinking anything the author writes is correct when it's clearly a message full of shit.

Sorry kid, not all of us had such terrible education that we felt enlightened when reading a shonen manga with gore and nudity.
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>>119689636
the norse believed women were better witches

also that christians were witches

christian women was their equivalent of someone walking around decked out in pentagrams and shit
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>>119695794
St. Pat was Irish, mate.

Nobody really knows where Y Ddraig Goch comes from. Maybe the Mabinogion, maybe something Arthurian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Dragon
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>>119695847
>shonen
>>119695280
>seinen
Stop using these terms like they are saying anything about the content. It's just demographics.
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>>119695794
the red dragon is the symbol of wales much like the white dragon was/is the symbol of albion/saxons
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>>119691030
do you haf any stalker loli to share?
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>>119694982
I'm not sure if it could've prevented anything, but the Saar Offensive being stopped in its tracks was one of the biggest mistakes from the high command, especially with most of the German armed forces on the Eastern front.
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>>119695901
St. Patrick was from England. He was a missionary to Ireland.
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>>119695901
Ahhh my bad. Thanks for the link anon!
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>>119694940
Gareth Bale is Welsh
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>>119695932
I only used it to point out his stupid reaction image is obviously wrong. But then again, he uses a reaction image for his argument, I can't expect him to be able to articulate original thoughts.
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>>119695965
It's questionable. The regular army portion of the French Army was not spectacularly large (the rest consisting of one-year conscripts which the French high command mistrusted profoundly), and France didn't have the bombers to provide air support. The BEF hadn't arrived yet either, so France would effectively be going it alone, fighting a war much of France wasn't sure it wanted to fight.
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>>119695561
wales didnt exist so no they were british
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>>119696151
wales was a series of very isolated villages who hated outsiders even more than your usual feudal village
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>>119695948
>>119695901
Ahhh Merlin's story of white vs red dragon.
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>>119696075
The reaction image exists purely because so many idiots like you seem to be completely incapable of understanding what character development is that it summarizes the argument so it doesn't have to be typed out every single time. Vinland Saga is the story about Thorfinn growing as a person, not a story about Thorfinn murdering everyone he meets.
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>>119695716

You do realize the ending of Vinland Saga culminates in Thorfinn failing to establish peace with the natives and is driven back home right? Or do you think so long as he tried and it wasn't personally his fault that the relations got ruined, his ideology is totally correct? Because that's basically advocating even the losers should get medals.
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>>119696253
The series isn't over yet, don't know why you're talking about how it ended. Yes, I realize that's how Thorfinn historically turned out, but in case you haven't realized Vinland Saga is not a 1:1 adaptation of actual history, and for all we know the author could just flat-out abandon history so that Thorfinn's ideology does prove to be right.
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>>119696243
Except I never brought up Thorfinn you faggot, I was talking about Askeladd. Are you really so fucking dense you have to turn to technicalities when you obviously know what I'm talking about?

Do you fucking go in every thread where a person points out the best character exits the series and shit post them saying the series is about the MC and not about the best character? That's how nigger you are right now, because you obviously lost the argument and are now deflecting hard.

Well done, at least this wasn't like a year ago when you faggots kept repeating MUH PASSIVISM.

I bet you're one of those shitters who thought Hikaru no Go actually got better when Sai disappeared and think the rest of the world is just wrong.
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>>119696393
So you're basically saying the author is allowed to be a giant faggot and the readers should eat that shit up should it happen? The word of god is always correct when it comes to sending a message?

Holy shit I have never seen a bigger tool than you on all of /a/. If this was /v/ I'd call you out on being a fucking shill.
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>>119696401
I was assuming that when you said "the series went to shit when Askeladd died" you were complaining about the fact that it went in a very different direction after his death, not the fact that Askeladd was the only character you liked.
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>>119696497
I haven't said shit about whether or not the message was correct, just that the message is what the series has been very clearly building up to since day 1 so complaining about it is pretty stupid. It'd be like going in a one piece thread and complaining about 'friendship'.
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>>119685559
>there will never be an animated series about the depressing and desperate mountain combat in ww1
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>>119696523
Then how about you learn to read faggot? Did this post not make it obvious? >>119695443

There is some serious reading comprehension issues at your end man. Nowhere did I say the series isn't still enjoyable, I just pointed out the best character got knocked out while everyone else was still one dimensional.

Farmland barely makes Thorfinn 2D. And very shonen moralfag 2D while we're at it. We basically have to wait until he fails before he gains a bit of depth and realizes the world isn't so simple you can just keep taking punches and the other party will eventually give in.

Don't mistake that as the series not being interesting. I'm looking forward to Merchant Saga.
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>>119696594
I wasn't complaining about the message being spammed in the series retard. I was pointing out how YOU are a retard for posting that reaction image because it means you think that build up of the message = quality writing.
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>>119689559
People got buttmad about all the looting in the 30 years war so they calmed down on the mercenary armies.
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>>119691307
The Second Punic War is the one with Hannibal and the Alps crossing.

It's perfectly tuned for anime pacing too. Focus on Hannibal's journey for the first part, with flashbacks to his dad in the First Punic War for action and character building. Most of the big battles are total routs because of tactics and general's personal issues. Jump to Roman politics shit when they're using the Fabian Strategy, dictators, and pissy senators. Then jump down to Carthage for the killing blow. It would be great.
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Vinland faggots, please go and stay go.
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>>119696827
>complex and nuanced reason is offered by someone who actually took history in university
>anon offers a completely superficial reason
hmm who should I believe?
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>>119696914
anon's opinion is just a subset of the one in that image; they're not exactly contradictory.
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>>119696914
What I said doesn't disagree with anything in that image.
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>>119696971
anon's opinion is just one reason among many. history is rarely that simple
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>>119696841
>Punic
The fuck am I reading?
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What a nice fucking thread. I can't I dont rike it.
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>>119697020
you obviously dont know you're history.
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>>119697027
Shut up, faggot.
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>>119697020
Carthage, my fellow squishy ball of fat. We're talking about Carthage.
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>>119697020
It's named after the Punice that was extremely common in the Himalayas at the time, and Hannibal had a really rough time crossing them to get to Italy. He had to eat people, which is where the whole "hannibal the cannibal" thing comes from. Fortunately once he reached Rome the country fell very quickly
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>>119697205
>Punice
You don't mean Pumice do you? To quote wiki:
>The term Punic comes from the Latin word Punicus
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>>119683981
You forgot WWII in that picture.
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>>119693861

They are the exception
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>>119697205
>the country fell very quickly
If by "fell" you mean "drove him off the island without siege ever being laid to their capital city, followed him across the sea, defeated him in the field, destroyed his civilization, genocided his people, erased all traces of its existence and salted the earth that it stood upon so that it would never bear life again, then went on to found an empire that would last several hundred years, spread throughout much of europe and become the foundation for the entirety of european civilization to come"

Then yes, the country "fell" very quickly.
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>>119697311
You seem to have forgotten Vichy France.
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>>119697205
>the country fell very quickly
Rome won those wars.
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>>119697205
>the country fell very quickly
Only the first few armies. And it wasn't even a country at the time. It was just a city.
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>>119697380
>>119697397
I also said the fucking Himalayas.

I hope you're just pretending.
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>>119697427
I really do need to sleep.

Fuck it, I'm out.
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>>119684397
Edgy and original. You fucking fag.
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>>119693861
The mongols are a bit of a special case.
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>>119697350

Not /a/
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>>119693861
technically there was no russia at that point so technically they didn't lose
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>>119697652
Out of all the things in this thread you say this isn't /a/ material?
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>>119695398
Oh yeah, Italy was doing really bad in the war, to be fair, after they invaded Albania, Libya and Southern France, I don't think they did much. Hell, I even think that the Desert War was the consequence of an Italian fuck-up, much like the Battle of Greece. I don't really think that Mussolini could do anything on his own when faced with an actual opposition.
Honestly, I think that Mussolini was the one who was most concerned by how the Allies were gaining land in Africa. The coup itself was motivated by the fact that Mussolini removed people whom he felt were more loyal to the king than to the regime. I think that the Allies had already bombed Rome at least once before Mussolini got dismissed as Prime Minister and arrested, and that event happened about a month before the end of the Campaign of Sicily.

The War of the League of Cambrai might be the most confusing of Great Italian Wars when it comes to shifting alliances, but really, when you look at all of them, all the plots going on at once, and all of that over a period of half a century, and in the end, France didn't get what it came for, that's really interesting.
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>>119697350
Mongols can be /a/
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>>119698118
I've always felt kind of bad for Mussolini. He was the first to make fascism seem like a viable option to the failing democracies for the time, but had the misfortune of being from Italy, a nation that was industrially behind the rest of central and western Europe. Gets snubbed by France and the UK when he tries to deal with Hitler and ends up having to be the junior partner to his junior.

And then when the Germans overshadow him he rushed into a battle he knew Italy wasn't prepared to fight, gets bailed out by Hitler (three different times), a person he disliked, and then gets set up as a puppet regime before abandoned and virtually lynched.

If he'd played his cards a little differently he could have just gotten away with being
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>>119697380
>drove him off the island without siege ever being laid to their capital city
He never planned to siege Rome, his plan was to burn rape and pillage everything outside the walls of Rome, which he was successful at doing.

>followed him across the sea
He was forced to go leave Italy not because he was losing, but because the other Carthaginian generals defending the homeland managed to fuck up at every possible point. If he did not return to defend the capital Rome would have taken it.

>defeated him in the field

He was ordered to fight that battle by the Carthaginian leaders even though he knew it would end in defeat. Later after the war when Carthage was forced to pay reparations to Rome all the city leaders broke out in tears, except for Hannibal who literally laughed at them in a "I told you so" manner for making him fight that battle.

> destroyed his civilization, genocided his people,

After the defeat, several of the shit tier generals and a few nobles that wanted Hannibals wealth Carthage sent word to Rome that Hannibal was raising another army, the Romans came looking for him, he fled and ended up taking poison to prevent capture.

With Carthage's only competent general dead, Rome deiced to go wipe Carthage off the map.
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>>119698482
*with being a chiang kai-shek or Franco
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>>119698498
>If he did not return to defend the capital Rome would have taken it.
Fat lot of good that did him, eh?
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