So was that the right decision?

>Faggot on the left suffers endlessly
Yes

>>119606411
>implying reincarnation is worse the loss of individuality in a soul mass that is the void
>something something I shiggy diggy

Woman was lying about her motives, takashi was a whiny cunt.
inb4 religion shitfest

>>119606519
Whiny or not he did nothing wrong.

>>119606672
Aside from murder.

>>119606672
Except kill everyone because of his jealousy/insecurity.

So how many threads are we on now?
This is pretty impressive for a single episode, especially considering that it's been mostly actual discussion.

Was Death Billiards even this popular? I was banned when it came out.

>>119606988
Not really, It did have a couple but nothing sub-stantial

>>119607095
>sub-stantial

>>119606775
>>119606790
It was a goddamn accident.

>>119606988
Death Billards is more vague and no one knows what really happened.

I'm still not convinced about this whole void nirvana business.

>>119607165
It was karma from the lack of communication over a misunderstanding on one side and a genuine wrongdoing on the other

Just like when Matchy hit him right in the heart

They gotta update the roster in the games man
Put some fightan and a moba, those 2 always manage to show the worst of people

>>119606988
Probably because the op is so good

>>119607462
>Just like when Matchy hit him right in the heart
Matchy isn't her nickname though.

The opening of this show makes me so fucking happy while the actual content of the show is depressing

>>119607579
It's okay, nothing special.
>>119607697
You're easily impressed.

Why does the bartender looks like a fucking faggot?

>>119607462
>It's man's fault
>Therefore she allowed to cheat

I'm confused, so did she cheat or not and who is the father?

Episode 2 synopsis:
黒髪の女が目覚めると、そこは見覚えのない場所で、傍らには見知らぬ少女がいた。自分の名前すら思い出せない彼女は、その少女・ノーナにデキムのもとへと連れていかれ、彼の仕事を手伝うように告げられる。
クイーンデキムにやってきた２人の客を見守りながら、黒髪の女はノーナからクイーンデキムが在る理由を聞かせれる。
ノーナによるとゲームは「裁定」に不可欠なことで……。
Source: deathparade.jp

>>119607804
I know man, everyone is different

EVERYBODY PUT YOUR HANDS UP

>>119606107
Why did she even decide to confess? Did she want to be sent to hell?

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These threads are b8 central.

>>119607921
I'm pretty sure that's what the last thousands of posts have been about in the threads.

It's pretty much up to you. Was she saying that she cheated just to make her husband feel validated? Was she actually Matchy who had an affair? Maybe that meeting in the restaurant was an arranged marriage meeting and there was really someone else she loved.

The whole point is that it's open ended.

>>119608083
I've been off /a/ for a few days because recaptcha refused to load for me, I made this thread because I just watched the episode and didn't see any thread in the catalog.

>>119608052
SEXXXAY LAAADY

>>119608064
Religion is tough to talk about in any kind of forum

Why do they have to play a game? Shouldn't they be judged individually?

>>119608209
Yeah. The last one just died. I just meant that you should check the archive if you want (a lot) more discussion.

>>119606988
Trust me, if the next episode is not about cheating it will be a lot less popular.

The bitch made ONE act of sacrifice, and that's when she knew she's dead and probably acted out of guilt. There's no way it's enough for her to go to "heaven" or whatever.

>>119608526
Who cares about those people, the rest of the cast looks nice

Is the void considered heaven and reincarnation considered hell?

Kind of the opposite of what you'd expect from a Western standpoint but that's what I'm getting from other people's explanations.

Is that a fucking gamepad at the end of the OP?

>>119606107
Yes
Reincarnation is shit, you don't retain your last life individuality (or they both should have had memories of past lives after they died, unless it's the first life they ever had).
The void in my opinion is more the type of place where you retain individuslity but you are alone forever (the same as being on 4chan).

>>119608649
Void is nothingness

This is what actually happened:

>Woman gets pregnant with doctor's child.
>Woman marries doctor, now wife.
>Doctor overhears a conversation on his wedding day. Starts suspecting his wife cheated on him. The person talked about was not his wife.
>Doctor becomes distant and paranoid. Wife cheats on him and regrets it.
>Wife makes a false confession to give doctor some measure self-justification over what happened.

>>119608435
It's an anime, your logic isn't needed here

>>119608703
Isn't Void a good thing in Buddhism? You break out of the reincarnation loop.

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> there are people on /a/ who hasn't watched Death Billiards and are watching Death Parade

>>119608796
rip jellyfish tank

>>119608777
Void is kinda like eternal damnation. It is NOT good.

>>119608822
Why would I be jelly?

>>119608796
>Death Billiards
Downloading right now, brah

>>119608729
>>Wife makes a false confession to give doctor some measure self-justification over what happened.

Except this isn't true.

I want to see how the other bartender deals with his customers. His description said he's extremely violent.

>>119608435
Using the Ten Commandments as an example, sin probably has more to do with how you treat other people.

>>119608915
in the OVA the young dude breaks the jellyfish tank
therefore rip them

>>119608796
>gg

Episodic supernatural job shows are always good.

Someone needs to go to 2chan and ask them if The Void is supposed to be a good thing or not due to Japanese Buddhism being a bastardization of Buddhism and Shinto with sprinkles of Christianity

>>119609273
I doubt they know this.

>>119606107
>Husband becomes paranoid
>Starts looking at her coldly
>Wife cheats because that helps every souring relationship
>They die because she's always texting people at night and fueling her husband's now validated paranoia.

She looked like a great waifu up until she cheated because her husband was being cold. Fuck her.

Also
>Her flashback was fake!
Holy shit people are in some serious denial.

>>119606988
Eighth thread iirc.

>>119608484
This. But the discussion train won't stop from the looks of it. Its good to see some actual discussion on /a/ in a long time.

>>119609455
>some actual discussion
Yuri Kuma Arashi.

Beach episode when

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UUGHBHALLAAAAGHHGLHLGH

Can't we just have 12 episodes of the op instead?

>>119609567
lel

>>119609273
Reincarnation is bad, so the void has to be good.
She pretty much destroyed their relationship so he wouldn't go crazy from murdering both her and his unborn child.

>>119608836
Why are you making things up? Reaching nothingness is the main point of Buddhism.

>>119609629
MORE

>>119609567
dude cheating lmao

>>119609667
Reaching Nirvana is the main point of Buddhism, not some enigmatic void.

>>119609629
I just wanna see the bartender and assistant dance all the time

>>119609273
Nips want to be reincarnated. Just not as animals or something.

>>119609667
We've already been through this, the void mentioned in the show has nothing to do with the void in Buddhism.

I think we can all agree this means unborn fetuses are not people since they obviously can't be judged by god, therefore abortion is not murder.

>>119609793
>Nirvana

So Nirvana is not being reborn and it's not nothingness, what is it?

>>119609898
That's some gold medal mental gym shit nigga

>>119608649
There's no heaven and hell in Buddhism, there's nirvana and reincarnation. In Christianity, you go to heaven for doing good things and to hell for doing bad things. In Buddhism, you reach nirvana by getting rid of your desires and reincarnate if you weren't able to do that.
You shouldn't compare them because the point of these concepts is completely different.

>>119609898
An unborn soul can not be judged since there is not yet anything to judge.
There is no reason for it to come to the bar or anything.

>>119609981
Since Takashi was filled with anger and Machiko was at peace (she was obviously lying about her cheating) does this means he went for reincarnation and Machiko is in the Void?

>>119609898
Of course the fetus couldn't be judged, how would it even throw darts?

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Lolibraid uses "kuu" for the Void here, right? Can't really into moon, but I think that's also synonymous with Heaven/Sky as well for the Japanese.

Japanese culture is probably a lot more relevant to the show than all the Hindu and Buddhist symbolism.

So, the Old Man went to the void and the Young Man reincarnated right?
Does that mean that the winner can either go to the void or reincarnate?

>>119609981
There IS hell in japanese buddhism

I'd probably pick being a spooky ghost in the void over reincarnation. Living once was already bad enough.

>>119610178
Get your ears checked

>>119610325
idk, man. Living is pretty good

>>119610178
Check the archive, it was specifically stated that "kuu" wasn't used.

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Would play ddr with

>>119609857
You can't really reach that conclusion, since the show doesn't talk about it that much.
>>119609793
Nirvana is basically void, though. It's the end of everything, including consciousnesses.

>>119610379
ib4 you're reincarnated as some nigger with AIDS

>>119610476
What if this one's the trap?

>>119610493
They have a term for Nirvana in japanese. It wasn't used.

>>119610522
Bix Nod mother fucker

>>119610522
>thinking you can be reincarnated into an aidsnigger if you don't commit any crimes in your past life

That is the real hell

>>119607471
They're all supposed to be typical bar games, idiot.
>>>/v/

>>119610561
They're being cryptic, obviously.

Although I believe she cheated on him because he was being cold towards her, I'm not sure when it happened. She had her ring in the flashback so it was obviously after the wedding. If it was because he was being cold towards her that would imply some time must was passed between marriage and cheating if she really did love him. Then we have pregnancy which happened before the marriage (if we follow the flashbacks).

So if wife is to be trusted 10 weeks passed between pregnancy start and their "honeymoon" death trip, during which they married, he was cold to her and she cheated on him because of it.

How plausible is that? Am I missing something?

>>119607921
>>119608057
>>119608083
>>119608729

She got pregnant, she married, she go in honeymoon (10 weeks baby). If she really cheated at that time it makes her a horrible woman.

But for me she only take the blame on her for saving husbando. They guy needed a redemption at last. She was a nice waifu.

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>>119610671

Reposting.

The elevators were at first referred to as Heaven (天国) or Hell (地獄). These are specifically Heaven and Hell as everyone knows them. Although in Shinto, only the gods live in Heaven, EVERYONE else goes to Hell. Like in Dragon Ball Z. Technically you go to Hell but there's a nice part of Hell where Goku goes and the really shitty part of Hell where Freiza lives. Also it's the same as Greek Mythology where the underworld has the Fields of Asphodel.

I'm guessing they're using the Christian versions for this show (these words in Japanese are also used to refer to Christian heaven or hell). So Heaven=good and Hell=bad

Later Decim refers to them as Reincarnation (転生) and Void （虚無）. Reincarnation is reincarnation as anyone knows it, but Void isn't the one that Buddhism uses, Buddhism refers to the Void as Kuu (空). This Void （虚無） specifically refers to literal nothingness. Like pre Big Bang nothingness. It's also used to refer to Nihilism which is the belief that life is meaningless in a bad way. Buddhism often does get mixed up with Nihilism but it really isn't the same thing. And I really don't want to get into this part so lets just skip it.

So what ultimately happened to Michiko, like everything, is ambiguous. We need to wait for the show to explain what the Void is. The Void is probably if anything, a special anime only thing. Like the thing behind the bar could be the Void for all we know, it was pretty spooky.

>[FFF] Death Parade - 01 [354391BE].mkv

>>119606107
So Takashi was in the elevator with the happy looking face, and Machiko was in the elevator with the evil looking face, so is reincarnation considered good and the void bad?

>>119610724
dat posture

>>119610724

If it weren't for that flashback she would be saint.

>>119610784
Not a show you want to watch subbed by people doing it by ear I think. At least funi gets the script.

>OVA calls doors heaven and hell
>episode 1 calls doors reincarnation and void
So which is it, mr. Subber?

>>119606107
Im telling you guys there's prob more to why Machiko was sent to the void.If it was that one time cheating im sure her trying to stop his mind from breaking at the end would have redeemed her but it didn't,there has to be more that shes done maybe she didn't even wanna get married.

>>119610724
Happened or not that is up to you.
Before the last shot she said she never lied. Husband pushed her.

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>>119606107
I honestly thought this was Takeshi looking through her phone.
And that she was upset because she knew he didn't trust her at that point.
Her being able to say that "there was someone else I loved" was just her way of saying that she loved who she thought Takeshi was.
Which was the reason why she able to ascend while he had to suffer again and reincarnate, especially after seeing his true colors.

So the switching of the masks above the elevator were intentional right?

>>119610724
What's to say this is not the guy's vision of what she is feeding him?

>>119606107

I didn't get this, I thought one gets sent to heaven and one gets sent to hell. Also, I thought the girl was being sent to heaven. How is the void heaven?

>>119611065
>you will never be this retarded

>>119610878
The show switched it, not the sub.
>>119610805
Those are Noh masks. One is a female mask, another one is Hannya.

>>119610846
They also fuck it up, same as everything their translators touch.

>>119609981
Hell does exist in Buddhism. The world of Buddhism consists of multiple realm, and Hell is some sort of in-between place where you go to after passing on, gets judged and punished for your wrong-doings, then gets sent back to the cycle. The place that you get yourself landed into is based on the accumulation of the bad and good things you've done in all of your past lives. The exception to this is of course the Nirvana where you are accepted into due to enlightenment, and this of course also takes account the selves in all previous reincarnation.
In the case of the bitch in this episode, she should have been a fucking saint in the life before for her to get off this easy with cheating and lying to her husband till the very end. If she was actually enlightened enough to go to the void, she would have to tell him the truth of everything.

>>119611228
I hate them for how they slaughter the video/audio. But the translations weren't any worse in the few I bothered to compare.

The man reincarnated into a sea cucumber.

>>119611065
>I thought the girl was being sent to heaven
No, she's now a tormented soul in the void.

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>>119611406
>You will never be a 2D sea cucumber masturbated by anime girls in the beach

>>119611471
Living the dream.

>>119611449
Sl00t

>>119611449
>>119610928
So was Machiko's boyfriend also sleeping around?

>>119611449
why not just ask who Matchy was?

>>119610846
It's a Funi edit.

>>119611425

But she won and the winner gets sent to heaven.

>>119611646
>Machiko
>Matchy
hmm....

>>119611719
Who said winners goes to heaven?

Why do guys say the wife was at peace/enlightened if she lied? Lying means there are something that you want to gain from it, meaning desires.

>501 points
>seven darts
Nips can't get their shit right for once.
Even if you place all 7 darts on the treble 20, you still would have only 420 points.
Should've been at least 4 shots (12 darts) since I doubt they can do the nine-dart finish, though it'd be awesome if he pulled a Phil Taylor at the end with a 60, 57 and 24 end.

>>119611985
They explain the rules and points and even bring up that it's impossible at the end of the episode. They knew what they were doing.

>>119612036
Still, fuck them. Should've given at least 9 darts so it was actually possible to reach 501 points.

>>119611985
That's the point of game, who with fewer points is the one whom show kindness.

Evil one could steal all dart and hurt rivals, thus Hannya mask on his door.

>>119611818
well i don't think they were competing to go to hell...

>>119611985
You can steal your opponents darts

You don't actually have to follow all the rules of the game. You can go when it's not your turn, you can steal your opponents darts, Hell I'm surprised they even have the whole stand behind the line rule

>>119612135
>That's the point of game, who with fewer points is the one whom show kindness.
Fewer points = winner.
It's like golf.

But what would happen if someone stole 2 darts from his rival and did a magnificent 9 dart finish?

>Reincarnation is shit

Buddhism please go.

>>119612135
>his door
Well, sorry. it was "her" door at the end.

Is the void heaven or hell?

>>119611985
Wait wait, the 20 points seems to be guts or something, what would happen if someone scored treble 20? Would the opponent vomit his liver or something?

>>119612282
You just don't seem to understand

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/heartstr.htm

>>119612278
>But what would happen if someone stole 2 darts from his rival and did a magnificent 9 dart finish?
Magnificent hell awaiting.

>Watching Billiards
>MC hugs the guy in the end and comforts him
I daww'd

>>119612388
>hell
It's either void or reincarnation. Though I'm more tempted to think they would invite such a gentleman to work on their bar, hang out there.

>>119612388
>Magnificent hell awaiting.
As long as it is not a boring shit hell of Christianity, or the edgy shit hell of Buddhism, I would like to take a look.

>>119612555
It's the same hell rockstars go to. You can spend your time there talking with Freddie or Hendrix and showing off your darts skills for all eternity.

>>119612515
Next episode will probably present another option and provide more details hopefully.

Still saying that if you refuse to play the game you just end up in the bar for eternity or at least until you come to terms with life and the value behind it by watching others

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>>119612515
>hang out there

>>119612282
>clinging to your shit earthly life filled with desires
Atheism please go.

>>119612682
Mannequins

>>119612682
Those are dolls.

I just realize you can walk up to the board and pick the darts you trowed before and throw them again. No need to steal or something like that.

>>119612722

How is nothingness good? To be honest its complete shit. At least life will be better as technology progresses.

>>119612282
reincarnation is a big concept, it's not just "you don't die forever lol", it means you can go as low as being an animal or demon (yeah, by modern times who wouldn't want being a chill cat or chimpanzee or something, but back then it like whoa that's really shit)

>>119610928
just noticed, the wedding ring is on.

>>119612874
Well. There was a belief which "assumes" that your life is pretty much zero-sum game, or a little bit worse than that. So, only way to win is to not play them.

>>119612879
>spent entire life farming rice fields and died from some horrible disease
>somehow reincarnating as a some chill furry dude is worse

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>>119612874
Nothingness is not exactly nothingness only from our perspective nothingness is nothing. Nothingness is everything and all things, objects, people are nothingness. They are empty, yet do not realize their emptiness thus there is strife. When one realizes that all things are empty they may ascend and achieve eternal bliss

>>119612879
>demon

that sounds fucking great

>>119610743
I think the thing behind the bar is just an empty threat, in Death Billiards you could see that a lot of the "bodies" were just mannequins like the one playing the piano.

>>119613149
>nothingness is everything

deep

>>119613192
>you will never be reincarnated into a demon slut

>>119610743
Neet read thank you

>>119612233
Yes, they were.
Remember you need to hurt your rival to wins the game.

>>119613537
No one goes to heaven.
Both are suffering.

>>119613620
Wrong thread and these delete post timers are as ridiculous as ever

>>119607608
It is right? Because she admitted to making up the other girl named matchy

>>119612874
Nothingness doesn't physically exist. Achieving nothingness means becoming one with the world.

What the fuck did the old guy say in the end?

>>119610937
Why would the guy be having a vision of his wife looking regretful? At that point, he was already thinking of her as being a cock loving slut.

>>119613853
"I fucked you're waifu"

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Conclusions:
>You leave the bar on the same elevator you got in, that is, the masks change, not the elevator you take
>The mask on the elevator you took to get into the bar means nothing
>Human mask means rebirth
>Demon mask means void
>Victorious either chooses if he reincarnates or not, or goes straight to the void (something along the lines of "only those who have no more regrets in life win, so they don't reincarnate")

>>119612874
Nothingness is a 'good end' because it means you don't have to suffer and want and doubt anymore - granted it means there's no joy or happiness or satisfaction either, but if there's nothing that's not going to bother you at all (especially since there's no you either).

Reincarnation is clearly the worse option - sure life comes with it's pleasures, but just being alive means you're constantly struggling to stay in the state of being alive, with constant risk of pain and suffering, and it's guaranteed that you will experience death.


To everyone trying to tie this into actual Buddhism, Shinto, and whatever else - what kind of dingus would write an anime with such blatant limitations? Don't expect this show to have anything beyond real-world-inspired metaphors. It's entertainment and everybody knows it.

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>>119614334
Also:
>Death Parade seems to take couples who die at the same time, Billiards doesn't follow this rule
>Young Man won billiards, but probably got reincarnated, as seen by the mask, and Michiko, who also won, went to the void, so it's not a matter of who wins or not, but about his life
>Cheating has nothing to do with it, since the Young Man cheated on his girlfriend, but wanted to atone, while the Old Man had already come in terms with his life, with no regrets
>Michiko seems to have already understood her demise, so that's why she went to the void, whereas Takashi wanted to live more, full of regrets
>the things behind are all dolls
This is what I think at least.

>>119614671
>Billiards doesn't follow this rule
It did, they mention it, two people who die at the same instant.

>>119614671
>They only play the game to be labeled
>"Humans go to Heaven or Hell when they die, but there are many exceptions", this might indicate that Void and Reincarnation are only two exceptions, but there might be a lot of other fates

>>119614748
Sorry, meant to say that Parade seems to indicate only "pairs" who die together go, that is, lovers, friends, couple, while Billiards has unrelated people going there.

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>>119607955
>The black hair girl awoke in a place she had no memory of, next to a girl she had never seen before. The girl who couldn't even remember her own name was taken by that girl Nona to Quiendecim, and was informed that she would help her with Nona's work. While watching over the two guests that game to Quindecim, the black hair girl asked Nona the reason behind Quindecim's existence. According to Nona, the game was essential to the "arbitration"...

So next episode we get to find out everything about Quindecim through the girls of the black hair girl who we still don't actually know the name of. Which will ever answer most of our questions or give us even more questions.

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>>119614873
Forgot to mention that the game is also predetermined, not random as the roulette implies. And Ginko is a pretty cool guy.
Also, there is another possibility, that the masks and elevators mean fucking nothing, since the lady who works there departed with the old man and the young one and still didn't know which one went to which.

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>8 threads later
>people still believe Michiko didn't cheat
will it ever end?

>>119615229
There are people still mad with Strawberry Panic, which is 9 years old, so it doesn't surprise me.

>>119610178
no, he uses 虚無, the Buddhist word for Void is 空. That's why we shouldn't be talking about Buddhism until they clarify it because they're not using the proper terminology.

>>119611646
if couples could communicate their problems with each other, we wouldn't have such a high divorce rate.

>>119611646
Because if it was her, she'd just lie.
The problem was that he took an out-of-context comment he overheard from one of her friends over the years of loving relationship they shared, as though one was more authentic than the other.

When that's all it takes to shatter your trust in someone completely, you must never have trusted them much to begin with.

>>119615604
If he would ask who Matchy was out of the blue she'd have no reason to lie. She wouldn't know why he's asking as it could be for anything and it's unlikely to think that she'd have a prepared excuse either way.

If he asks very innocently she would tell him who she was and everything would be peachy between them.

What did the old man tell notGinko at the end of Billiards?

>>119614334
Players don't choose shit

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So, why did gramps make this face? Was he sure he is going to haven?

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>>119615604
>over the years of loving relationship

Pretty sure they met in one of those marriage interviews, it could have been a few months before they got married.

>>119615982
>gramps
>heaven

Yeah, I'm sure all those people he killed in WW2 will get him to heaven.

>>119609567
Based Kazuya Nakai suffering.

>>119616057
He was also a bully in school.

>>119614873
I took notes on the original a while ago, the characters in that one are portrayed as having mirrored lives, maybe that's why they were judged together.

>young man
unfaithful lover
hard worker in school
played billiards for love
flashback moves backwards through time
chases the sun
born in comfort/dies in violence

>old man
devoted lover
bully in school
played billiards for glory
flashback moves forwards through time
blocks the sun
born in violence (war)/dies in comfort

>>119616066
>Billiards has Nakamura suffering
>Parade ep 1 has Nakai suffering

I have high hopes for the future.

>>119616057
Then why make this grin.

>>119615984
>Michiko, Takashi's wife. She has an honest personality, and works her hardest to make her husband happy. She met Takashi through a friend. After marriage, she plans to become a housewife.

>>119616178
>Nakamura
Guess I'll watch Billiards now.

>>119616057
He was a child when WW2 ended. In his flashback you can see him with his mom looking at the nuked city.

>>119616057
He was a child in WW2. His flashback shows him being hardly more than a toddler when the bombs dropped. He grew up in 20th-century post-war Japan, which is part of why that even footing rant the young guy made was so relevant.

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>>119616057
Gramps was a kid in WW2, he didn't kill anyone.

>>119610784
>FFF
In their own time.

>>119615229
Just Whiteknights and girls. It's crazy how some say she only cheated because he was being cold to her. Did you see anything like that in the episode?

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>OP is not by Fear and Loathing in las vegas.

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>>119617164
>Did you see anything like that in the episode?
You mean like this?

>>119617097
Finally someone with sense. That's the only way it'd could be for the episode not be totally crap, even if Machida really existed.

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>thinks he killed his own child
>desperately tries to convince himself it can't be his
>bitch pulls herself together
>tells him what he wants to hear (for some reason people think the visualization immediately implies flashback)
>decim looking surprised after she "admits" to cheating
>there are still people who believe she cheated

>>119617251
That scene is not enough to say he treated her like crap through the entire marriage.

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>>119617529
Also this.

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>>119617184
>People who hate SCREAMO and ENGRISH
The OP is good but I want Fear and Loathing to do an ED.

>>119617540
>the entire marriage.
They died on their honeymoon. They weren't married very long.

>>119609273
void is bad, whenever it is involved in anime or games its a negative thing

>>119617184
Thank the gods.

>>119617693
Yet she found time to cheat on him.

>>119617360
Deleted this post because now Im fairly confident that Im wrong after remembering this >>119617251.

Overall my theory remains similar though. The difference being that Machy wasn't her but really the girl she was talking about.
However with the suspicions he nurtured toward her, her husband started turning into a different man, not the man she married to.

So she ended up cheating like her slut friends, hoping that she would find love again, wich was still painful for her since in the end it was just betraying her husband for sex.
The baby is his, but the person she was mailing to was probably a lover. Basically, by the time they were in that car, their relationship was already over.

She went on her tirade both because of her guilt and to pay him back since in the end she really cheated on him, but also because he never truly trusted and loved her to begin with, wich is why their relation fell apart in the first place and realising that made her snap.

>>119617529
>there are still people who believe she cheated
There are still people who believe she didn't.

>>119617529
The thing is that if the flashback was false, why would she be crying in it ? If it's her husband's delusion, then he can't imagine the slut he married to be crying after cheating on him. It doesn't make any sense.

>>119617184
thank god

>>119617748
>The difference being that Machy wasn't her but really the girl she was talking about.
It could be argued that she was talking about herself and only used the existing friend to cover it up, she was pretty expressionless during the talk, which is something lying people often do.

Also, I don't think she thought anything was wrong with her marriage, she was pretty surprised when he stated his suspicions.

>>119617747
Loose women keep a tight schedule.

I wonder if the decision was based on the game result or their behavior.

>>119618148
Game result means shit for this, just how you behave during it.

>>119618148
This is the game you need to hurt your lover.
Need a result?

>>119607462
>It was karma from the lack of communication over a misunderstanding on one side and a genuine wrongdoing on the other

You morons that keep spouting "if he just talked to her about it" as if you can just accuse people of things in real life without consequences.

Seriously, get real.

>>119617747
>>119618094
In Japan, women retire after they marry. If you are a married working woman, you get looked down upon. Part time job is okay but having a full time job and working is uncommon.

>>119613691
No, you can see Machi's placeholder in the credits.

DID SHE CHEAT

>>119618343
>"Hey babe, are you gobbling another mans cock haha?"
It isn't so hard to ask.

>>119618329
>need
They never needed to hurt anyone, that was the whole point. hey even outright say it, they were never told that they had to throw at the opposite's dart board. They could have swapped places and only hurt themselves, they could have chucked every shot to miss completely and not even aimed at the board at all. Hell, they could even just aim at low scoring peripherals and scrape by without any intense pain or discomfort.

The pain they inflicted, they chose to inflict. That was the point. The guy aimed for his pregnant wife's abdomen on purpose. They weren't driven into a corner and forced to do terrible things, they were just given the tools and told they could go nuts.

>>119617976
He was talking about what he heard during the ceremony, wich would indeed suprise her if she cheated after the wedding since she wouldn't expect him to bring up the wedding.
And she wasn't aware of the suspicions anyway, it's just that because of those her husband started acting differently. Wich is what caused the actual cheating.

When he brings up the nickname, she's indeed surprised if Machy isn't her. Because she just realised the root of his suspicions (wich are clear now since he already blamed her) and that he had no trust in her all along.

And she isn't expression less when she talks about Machida, she actually start reminiscing her friend, and then talking with a determined face, not an expressionless one.

>>119618469
What don't people get about this?

>>119618392
>wife cheats while husband is away earning their money
You're not helping your case. Also, the guy's a doctor he probably slaves his ass out.

>>119617529
She did cheat on him, it's confirmed.

She did it AFTER they were married though and not before. Hence why she's wearing the ring.

>>119609455
>8 threads
Are you faggots serious. Theres probably been 8 digimon threads in that time. /a/ is a fast moving board. You should expect more.

>>119618507
They only evidence we have to actually substantiate the cheating is a single contextless shot of her lying in bed next to a man that looks like her husband with messy hair, and it seems out of place with the rest of the story.

It's not surprising that people would be questioning whether we're supposed to take that flashback at face value or not, especially considering nothing else in the episode can be taken at face value.

>>119618343
Their marriage was fucked the moment he completely lost all trust in their relationship based on an out of context conversation he overheard.

>>119618491
Or Im wrong and you're right, in that case then it would simply mean that she wasn't able to break it off with her old lover and suffered from it since she loved her husband as well.

>>119618611
>The only piece of evidence we have of her cheating is evidence of her cheating
There's no reasoning with you people

>>119608484
Give it a month and every single Death Parade thread moving forward will start with an image of the wife and the phrase "SHE DID NOTHING WRONG"
or
"Did she cheat?"

We will be shitstorming about this one episode for the entirety of 2015.

Do you think they will play Truco next time?

>>119618491
>>119618666
I'm tired of discussing this. It might be that you're right, but it just makes it all so... boring and cheap. In my country there's a book called Dom Casmurro, you might be interest in it.

>>119618639
Not really, if he didn't believe it was possible or didn't have other evidence adding up he wouldn't have believed it. She had been cheating for a while since before they were married it seems. Which is why the cheating occurs after the marriage and the phone calls as well, she was in a relationship with someone else.

They died on the honeymoon and he learned of the cheating during the wedding. All of this talk of how the man acting cold drove her to cheat is fucking retarded unless they had a delayed honeymoon which most normal people dont. The guy had like a day or two to cold shoulder her into cheating.

She wasnt drove to cheat. She did it because she could and wanted that doctor cash.

Also ENGAGEMENT rings are not wedding rings. You wear them before the ceremony too. Its like your all 12 or somethin put some thought into your discussions.

The only thing that really bothers me in this story is that she left the phone ringing while they were driving.

This seems like another Hell Girl type of show. Everything is designed to fuck with humans and in the end the entire show is all about humans being shit and deserving everything they get.

>>119618892
Why? Who the fuck answers the phone when they're on their honeymoon.

>>119608729
No, the person talked about was his wife. After winning the game she got overconfident and spilled the beans. She had no friend who also married a doctor. Think about it: what are the odds of having a friend who could have the same diminutive, who also married a doctor not long ago, and who was in the same circle of friends as his wife? She made up the friend and then admitted she lied about it.

>>119618892
It was obviously the boyfriend. "I don't want to talk right now" my ass.

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>play mahjong
>akagi comes out of nowhere


Make it happen, Godhouse.

>>119618849
There was no engagement ring according to the show though, only the wedding one.

>>119618937
Don't know about you, but when I don't want to answer I decline the call to let the other person know I'm busy and don't keep it ringing.

>>119610743
Thank you, kind sir.

>>119618849
>he learned of the cheating during the wedding.
Except he didn't. The Matchy bit was a red herring. The conversation he overheard actually had nothing to do with his wife, and he simply took it out of context and misconstrued it to mean that his wife had been an adulterous gold digger all along.

She was cheating on him, but the evidence he used to reach that conclusion was entirely unrelated to her actual affair. The premise and conclusion were unrelated, the fact that she actually was cheating on him was entirely coincidental to the evidence he used to conclude that.

>>119618489
Well, that's what I want to say. The game itself is an act of karma, evil deed.

This is the game where you show your true nature. People just confuse with "the void" being good or bad end.

To me, the void with Hannya mask seem not the good ending.

>>119618611

It's definitely not the husband in that pic, he has a more gaunt face and when viewed from the side has cheekbones drawn on and a chin goatee, and it's also in a completely different bedroom.

That's evidence enough that she was infact screwing another.

>>119618942
See: >>119617592

>>119618983
Akagi would have to die to get there.

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>people STILL have trouble understanding this


what is this, the 9th thread with the same discussions?

>>119618942

No, the friends said Matchy was 'married' to a doctor.
These two were actually married yet since it was their wedding day.

>>119619221

*weren't

>>119619204
It's because it was written specifically so you could interpret it a multitude of ways.

>>119609898
10/10 shit right here

>>119619221
It said "marrying" and not "are married" though.

>>119619204
Deepfags are real.

>>119619287
And thats why it's awesome.

>>119618942
Matchy was real, but she still cheated.

>>119619070

The fact of what he heard being true or not doesnt matter as he said he didnt want to stop the wedding right then and there. If he knew or suspected it before he would have canceled it beforehand. So he had no suspicions untill then which still shows that he couldnt have cold shouldered her into cheating.

And being cold shouldered isnt a free pass to cheat anyway. The cheaters are the ones in the wrong.

"IM LONELY SO ILL BANG THE NEIGHBOR INSTEAD OF WORKING OUT MY PROBLEMS LIKE AN ADULT!"

If you feel like you should see someone else you probably should but never at the same time. Thats just a douchebag move.

>>119617184
I was really expecting that, but I have to say the OP was a positive suprise.

>>119619204
It was written in such a way that some people would naturally side with the man, and others with the woman and that there wouldn't be enough evidence or conclusiveness to contradict either interpretation.

So now /r9k/ and the cucks wage wars over whose subjectivity is more correct

>>119609455
Mememe went for a week straight, I'd prefer not to repeat that again.

>>119619395
I bet you think winning a game that you are allowed to skip and harms the other party if you don't is a good thing, too!

>>119619395
>So now /r9k/ and the cucks wage wars over whose subjectivity is more correct
I guess you're with the whiteknights then, protecting the cheating cunt.

>>119619379
Nobody is strying to find excuses for her. In my eyes they are both wrong : You don't start suspecting your partner at the first bit of gossip you happen to overhear (at least verify the information), and you don't cheat on your partner either.

WHIO GIVES A SHIT
NOT ME
AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU

>>119619474
She only won because of the husband. She was trying to throw the last dart away from the board, down the hallway, which would've made he husband win. It was him yanking at her shirt that threw her off and caused the dart to hit the board.

Fuck yeah, I got it!

If friends' conversation in toilet was indeed about Machiko and not her friend Machida, connecting that with Machiko's story about her friend (but actually about herself) not being able to break-up with her boyfriend explains her being depressed in the flashback and how she manage to sleep with the guy in such a short time after getting married.

Now everything fits together. I can put this episode to rest.

>>119619627
>which would've made he husband win
They were tied, actually.

What do the eyes symbolize? I noticed in the OP that not all the people who work at the bar have those weird eyes the bartender has.

>>119619590

And this is right. Also i never meant to directly point you out for defending or anything it just comes off that way cause i was too lazy to also quote someone else.

Either way while both were wrong the scales are tilted in favor of the husband still.

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>>119619692
I have been saying this for 4 threads now.

>>119619777
Who' s in charge of doing stuff

>>119619785
>are tilted in favor of the husband still.
Until he basically killed both her and their unborn child for being a retard to the point his wife had to went full bitch so he wouldn't die basically having gone crazy.
If nothing else, she loved him more than he did, despite the cheating.

>>119609643
Thats what I gathered. Otherwise her heartwarming flahsbacks that happened right before the final dart was thrown was done to intentionally trick us the viewer and no one else which is a no no is storytelling.

Are we all forgetting that even if she was a cock hungry slut well before they got married and even if the kid wasn't his, that the husband got both of them and an unborn child fucking killed because of his paranoia?

>>119619777
Death Billiards mentioned that the bartender was never 'alive' and never lived a human life.

I'm guessing that the 'people' who are just human-shaped spiritual entities have the cross-eyes, and the ones with normal eyes are human spirits who are dwelling there as part of their afterlife.

>>119619913
It was an accident

>>119619913
He died for that though.

>>119619777
They indicate never-was-alive. We know Decim was never a living person.

>>119619913
And husband is sent down to earth to continue his mortal suffering.

They both got bad end.

>>119620020
Hah, no. He got the chance to get his wishes fulfilled. While she was consigned to destruction

>>119617592
Does it says "Machida Yuki" ?

>>119617592
What is this supposed to prove?

>>119619903
Check the masks. Also, I'd prefer to reincarnate than non-existence.

>>119619976
You don't shift your entire attention away from the road while driving on a narrow path next to a fucking cliff.

If I'm pointing a gun at your fucking face and it "accidentally" goes off, It's still entirely my fault.

>>119620119
Machida Yuuki, yes, which is an incredibly male-sounding name due to how rural the surname is.

>>119620119
That "Matchy" Yuki was a real person and the wife's explanation about the nickname was the truth

>>119620119
That there was indeed a Machida Yuuki and only that. The rest is speculation and resoaning.

>>119620091
Man got his chance because he isn't pure evil.

No one goes to heaven though.

>>119613438
If I remember correctly he never told them which target was theirs. Couldn't they just have easily been hurting themselves if they had switched places?

>>119620275
Yes, in fact they say exactly this near the end. There was no rule over which board you had to aim at.

WAIT WAIT WAIT A MOMENT

If Machida Yuuki was her name in high school, how is that her name is still Machida after she married the doctor? She married one right? Machiko wasn't lying right?

>>119619627
It seems to be implied the throw doesn't count if it's not thrown beyond the white line and doesn't fall within the dartboard (including the miss zone).

>>119620162
The accident that killed them was his fault but he didn't intentionally kill them. We get it, his stupidity killed them and was his fault but its not a murder-suicide, just a dumb mistake that cause an accident and their deaths.

>>119615982
He smiled because he told Ginko to let the other dude go to heaven in his place, as he had no more regrets from life, and believed that he deserved a second chance.

>>119620366
The white line bit was the only part explicitly stated, and as they've made very clear: if it isn't explicitly stated, it isn't a binding rule.

The wife clearly lied about her "adultery" in the very end as an act of self-sacrifice because she couldn't bear seeing her husband learn that he'd killed his own child out of misplaced, idiotic jealousy. It's really, really obvious from the sequence leading up to her "confession."

As for her getting sent to the void, maybe that's just the outcome of the game. Machiko "won" / caused her husband more pain, and gets punished for it.

>>119619777
people with the eyes aren't real people. The Black Hair girl however is human from what we can speculate from the OP. She's also a newbie at Quindecim.

>>119620460
That's not the smile of someone self-sacrificing

That's a smile of victory.

>>119620112
machida yuuki-sama

>>119620545
The anon earlier made valid point though, if she was plotting to make herself into antagonist, why show her agonizing over affair in her flashbacks? Wouldn't it work better if she was showed off as cock hungry slut in there?

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>>119619307

This would mean that Matchy is already married right?
And the MC is a groom or 'engaged to' rather than out right calling him the husband when they're not married yet.

>>119620340
Don't ignore me, faggots.

>>119620275
He was clear which target was whose but the person wasn't forced to fire at their own target if they wanted to lose on purpose.

>>119620661
Saged, ignored, called the cops.

>>119620340
I wondered that too but pretty sure the wife lied about the girl marrying a doctor.

>>119620531
Wasn't the rule of the game that they would take turn "throwing darts toward the board in front of them" or something like that?

Does it really matter from a practical perspective?
If you get reincarnated, you don't remember anything from your past life anyways.

>>119620743
I want to hear from the guys defending Machiko. I want them to explain this.

>>119620655
What? It's her dumbass husband who "agonizes" over nothing, she's never depicted as actually having an affair

I FIGURED THE TWIST
THERE IS NO HEAVEN
BECAUSE LEL JAPS HATING ON CHIRISTIAN SHIT BECAUSE MUH BOMBS

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Every time I see the bartender I think of this chucklefuck.

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>>119620822
>she's never depicted as actually having an affair
Well done

>>119620823
>THERE IS NO HEAVEN
slowpoke.jpg

Next episode better be air-hockey.

>>119620822
see >>119610928
It's obviously not her husband, and note the wedding ring.

>>119620897
Did you really think this was a genuine flashback? Did you miss the bartender's eyes going wide with surprise as she tells her lie? Or her thinking about her husband before it? Or the fact that she can't even come up with a name or story about this "someone else" she was supposedly sleeping with?

If you honestly think she was having an affair you're seriously oblivious to the cues the episode is giving

Can we AT LEAST all agree that she did love her husband.

Maybe she did cheat on him and maybe she didn't but from the flashback we saw of her before the final dart was thrown it shows that the baby was actually his. It appears the vast majority of what she said at the end was done to intentionally take the blame off of him as she saw how utterly crushed he was about killing his wife and unborn child.

>>119620911
>young man and old man take their places at either end of the table
>young man apologizes before beginning, explaining that he used to play tonnes of air hockey in college, and that he won't hold back
>match starts, old man starts wrecking him
>"m-masaka!"
>old man explains: "well you see, I'm actually canadian

>>119620656
It was the day of the marriage that he heard that. "Marrying" can have both meanings depending on context in English - she became rich by marrying a doctor v.s. she is marrying a doctor to become rich. In common speech, both can be conveyed as "she really got it nice, marrying a doctor". I'm assuming the original Japanese wasn't 結婚した but even if it was, a done deal can be referred to in the past even when it hasn't been completed yet.

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>>119621007
>oblivious to the cues the episode is giving
You mean like this 'cue'?

>>119621007
>Did you really think this was a genuine flashback
Yeah, that's totally a fake flashback.

>>119621007
Then why show her feeling bad about this affair if she was trying to make herself into the bad guy.

>>119620822
>>119621007
By this time I'm seriously considering you guys to be baiting or at least in heavy denial.

>>119621035
Deny harder, denyfag.

>>119621159
Fuck me for attempting to find common ground.

>>119621187
But don't you know that woman is a source of evil anon?

>>119620340

That's one clue that wife was talking about herself not her friend.

>>119621035
In a beatiful ideal world that is the truth.

>>119611985
>dropping a Power reference.
My nigga. I was hoping someone would go three treble 20s and the bartender would break character to yell "One hundred eighhhhttty!

>>119621085
If you couldn't read that she was lying from the way they set up that scene, you're honestly a fucking moron.

It's hard for me to believe anybody could be so dense as to believe that 1-second flash of an "affair" was anything but a visual representation of her lie.

>>119621035
>b-but shes just a victim!
>a poor woman!

no that doesnt fly
if you love someone youd better die rather than cheat on him
>look at me! im crying and twitch my face! I CARE! I REALLY DO!
no amount of regret can justify traitory
end of story

>>119621366
At least she showed regret, he got three people killed and she had to lie about it so he wouldn't crack.

>>119621269
If Yuuki is Matchy's last name, then it's entirely possible that's just her husband's surname, and her friends refer to her that way because they all knows she's been married and changed it.

>>119621349
>It's hard for me to believe anybody could be so dense as to believe that 1-second flash of an "affair" was anything but a visual representation of her lie.
A lot of posts in this thread are telling why that's not true.

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>>119621366
>traitory

>>119621410
Yuuki is the first name, retard.

>>119621401
>three people

b8

>>119621349
Then why is she showing crying ? If it was a visual representation of her lie, then she wouldn't be crying at all since her lie made it sound like she was happy with that man.

And it can't be her husband's delusion either for the same reason.

It's her memory dude. She cheated on him and regretted it, but she did cheat on him.

>>119621410
Is this your first anime? Read how her name is written and you'll know Yuuki is her given name.

>>119621475
>basing a pet name off the surname
I don't think so.

>taking the fun out of Death Billiards by stripping it of it's brevity and artistic ambiguity

Reminder than one-shot continuations are universally shit.

>>119621312
What if he did 3x 60 57 50 just to fuck with her?

>>119621366
>youd better die rather than cheat on him
That's the dumbest shit I ever heard.

Dying would ruin your significant other way worse than cheating on them.

Cheating can be covered up, cheating can be a one time mistake, cheating can be dealt with.

Dying is a fucking devastating occurrence that will ruin their lives.

>>119621519
I cringed on your behalf. Don't thank me.

>>119621497
>Then why is she showing crying ?
She isn't. Neither visibly/audibly crying nor shaking.

>>119621530
>brevity
>ambiguity
Using these 2 together is a contradiction, anon.

>>119621497
She's weeping because of the terrible situation. She's making the man she loved HATE HER FOREVER just so that he can die easily, mislead to believe that the baby he killed was actually someone else's.

I'm going back to "you're stupid" because this is insanely obvious from context.

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>>119620340
behind every good lie is a hint of truth, that's what makes a convincing lie. By saying Machida Yuuki, her husband remembers their conversation and is hooked into the lie. Machida Yuuki is a real person, that's what the ED proves. By building a basis of truth, the lie becomes easier to believe. That's like how people hook you into fake LN spoilers, they say something that really happened then they lie about the next part which sounds believable but is obviously a lie.

Machida Yuuki being teased for having a manly name is a truth and that's why they used a nickname; however, a nickname like that is really common in Japanese. Machiko's nickname would also still be Macchi. I know a girl named Sachiko, they call her Sacchi even though her name is already girly. It's just something girls like to do in Japan.

When Machiko was talking about Machida Yuuki's after that though, she was actually referring to herself in the third person. Because it is way too fucking convenient that Machida Yuuki also had an old boyfriend she couldn't break it up with and married a doctor husband.

Also her card says "Machida Yuuki" meaning her last name didn't change. If a Japanese women is a career women, it is not uncommon for her to keep her last name as a matter of pride, but "Matchy" was called a gold digger so she would eagerly change her name if she had indeed gotten married.

And of course this is not shifting all of the blame onto Machiko for cheating since her husband clearly pushed her into cheating, mostly likely by the fact that he was a doctor, a profession that is notoriously workaholic.

>>119621561
Cheating is a decision. Dying isn't. Go be a fat neckbeard somewhere else.

>>119621610
>What is suicide?

>>119621576
Not really. One refers to the direction and the other to the narrative.

>>119621573
Of course, it's a still image with sound over it.
But we still can see that she isn't happy about what happened. >>119621070 That's not really the pose of a happy woman who got the fucking she's been yearning for all week, looks more like a woman who can't help but think "what have I done ?" after cheating on her husband.

>>119621646
[muffled m'lady in the distance intensify]

>>119621544
Lol, then he'd get sent to the void just for fucking with her. Considering how into the PDC Worlds I was last weekend, it was hard to take this ep seriously.