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What went wrong with Persona, /a/?

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What went wrong with Persona, /a/?
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2nd anime
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not much.

i wish there was more time in the days i guess.
but that's not really a complaint.
maybe a less shit dungeon layout, but it's not bad, just boring. like walking through a series of hallways where, occasionally, monkeys jump out of closets and hit you with sticks. and at the end of the hallway there's a really big monkey with a much bigger stick and probably issues with it's monkey sexuality or something.
it just becomes an ordeal of "guess i'll go on til i run out of SP."
the games aren't bad but there's room for improvement.
if the main idea is good, and it is, then little tweaks just make things better.
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>>119550854
This right here.
But then again, the people who normally hate Persona are really big fans of Shin Megami Tensei and are annoyed that its not just adult themed Pokemon.
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>>119550954
i feel you real hard.
there could be a bigger balance. it's two games in one:
a social sim and a dungeon crawler.
the sim is good but is so good that the dungeon part of the game, arguably the meat and potatoes, feels lackluster in comparison.
i should WANT to fuck up shadows and get treasure, not feel like it's just some homework i have to do by the end of the endgame week in order to progress the story.
i see the intention of it putting a stress on players and motivate them to complete the dungeon, but if you're not shit most of them can be cleared in about two good trips into the tv.

again, not a bad game by any means, i go to SMT for the grindy asswhipping and persona for the "tfw you will never have a crew like this" self torture.

i have high hopes for persona 5.
i can honestly say i think there's more that can go right than wrong.
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>>119551230
Finally someone else actually enjoys the social sim aspect
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Persona5 when
the protag is a real cutie, I want to see him get femdommed
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>>119551417
20XX
I don't really like Potter-kun. He is pretty bland. The uniform is sweet though, can't wait to see what the female one looks like.
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Not enough of the best girl
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>>119551523
Her Ultimax sprite is too good, but her personality annoys the fuck out of me.
Carnivore that's Discarded Womanhood a best
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>>119551523
Rice is a slut
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>>119551632
I don't get why some people rag on Chie for being too masculine, there's far more tomboy tomboys out there that still manage to be qt grills.
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>>119550954
I get so goddamn sick of people essentially bitching that it isn't the same as mainline SMT. They've even dropped SMT from the title at this point, what's wrong with Atlus offering something different? Persona being Persona doesn't make SMT less SMT.
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I don't know jack shit about persona but I like this picture.
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>>119551946
The thing is she's not that masculine at all, she's actually cute as hell.
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They went from grimdark but cool (3rd game) to scooby doo.
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>>119552070
Also this one.
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>>119552070
Then play it mate. But do yourself a favor and play and finish 3 before 4.
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>>119552096
I like the setting a lot more in 4. Not really the story, but Inaba and its characters were a bit more interesting than 3's.
But yes 3 has a way better story
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>>119552070
That would be Mitsuru from Persona 3. She's the classy high society one with more than a little dom in her.
>>119552089
That's my point. If Noa can be a mecha otaku practically in love with her labor and still be one of the best characters in anime, then Chie can sure as shit love meat and kung-fu. I don't understand the fear some people have of tomboys, like all women should be flat, submissive classic Nippon waifus.
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>>119552070
What's wrong with her ears?
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>>119552114
That's that faggot from Shiki the pink bitch had a crush on.
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these faggots postings sluts instead of posting the pureness of Yukiko.
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>>119551632
>but her personality annoys the fuck out of me.
Why?

She's very lovely.
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>>119551673
>canon virgin
>only wants to be with one guy
>slut
She has a naturally intimate voice and is friendly, but that doesn't make her a slut.

Yukiko has the actual personality of a slut.
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>>119552258
With Persona I find it very hard to separate setting and atmosphere, both are so key to the other in its presentation. 3 knocked it out of the park with what should be dark and edgy but somehow comes off as really cool and modern even today, while 4 wanted to be fun and enjoyable with some unsettling undercurrents.
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>>119552323
Yukiko is downright the most beautiful Persona waifu, but the end of her social link pissed me off so much.
"I want to have my own life instead of being forced to run the inn. Ahh fuck it I'll just run it anyways."
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>>119552317
Oh. Google reverse search said it's from Persona. My mistake.
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>>119552350
Because I've never liked the "Teehee. You're so awesome Senpai." personality.
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>>119552408
I think they were going for 'learning family values' since a normal nip viewpoint would tell her to put her family first, but it just came off as 'Yukiko is a doormat'. Especially weird since Persona is normally super progressive for something Japanese.
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>>119552089
Chie looks ok in pictures, but not a fan of her actual personality. Obsessed with meat, is an asshole to Yosuke, etc. She's very fun in arena though.
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>>119552435
You ain't wrong mate, the other guy was. That's Naoto
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>>119550394

The game was okay. The battle system was meh and the story was a total rip-off of the fourth part of Jojo

It was okay as an anime I guess
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>>119552183
What platform is it on? As I said, I don't know jack shit.
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>>119552495
Out of interest, did you play P4 or just watch one of the adaptions?
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>>119552539
Play the P3P for PSP, finish both the male and female verisons and get a PS2 emulator and use some savegame to play The Answer (sort of epilogue)
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My Persona 3 waifu is the best.
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>>119552359
>Yukiko has the actual personality of a slut.
I'll fight you.
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>>119552539
3 and 4 are originally PS2 games. You can get P3:FES (the best version) off the PSN in all regions now, and P4 has a Vita port called Persona 4 Golden, which is the ideal way to play it if you can. The second P4 anime was adapting the extra stuff they added along with doughnut steel Marie.
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>>119552505
Nope. Natsuno Yuuki
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>>119552590
I don't have any consoles/handhelds, so I suppose that's off the table. Thanks for the help anyways!
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>>119552408
she said she was still going to study. she didn't want to leave anymore that's all. I wasn't even mad about it.
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>>119552590
>First time with P3P
Don't even joke about that.
>>119552619
Yukari is pretty great.
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>>119552648
Do you know how cheap a PS3 is these days? For that matter, if you have a decent PC you can always emulate them
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>>119552631
>>119552648
Thanks, again. I didn't see your post.
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>>119552681
>Don't even joke about that.
Why exactly?
It's just a improved P3 and an alternate game mode as the best girl after you finish the original storyline.
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>>119550394
too less tomboy.
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Key people from SMT left atlus and now they have to milk persona to death
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>>119552648
Use PPSSPP to play P3P, it is supported on PC, Android and even iOS.
While I preferred to play it with a controller, it also has support to keyboard and doesn't even depends that much on analog control.
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>>119552740
I like FeMC, but it sure as shit isn't an improved game. Enjoy all the story scenes being balls, the overworld sucking and combat that's far too easy thanks to not being rebalanced.
FeMC is nice though, and I'm pretty sure you can select her first time.
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>>119552788
I'll look into it.
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>>119552799
You can, but it's better to experience her after finishing the male story. I never played the original, but I thought the P3P was vastly superior to FES.
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Not edgy enough
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Best worst girl.
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>>119552874
Use a PS2 emulator for P3:FES if you can, it's a much better way to play the game. P3P cuts a whole heap of things and basically reduces it to a pure VN outside of tartersauce and ports over the combat from P4 without balancing the game for it, making it way too easy.
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>>119552914
How can you say that? The only thing it actually adds is FeMC, and that's not suitable for your first run. FES is the best option for your first playthrough.
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>>119552644
My bad. They do look a lot alike
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>>119553028
Oh well, maybe that's just me then.
I kind of really liked the new mechanics they introduced on portable, but okay.
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>>119552965
I don't know why people didn't like the whole you don't control anyone but yourself thing. The game is piss easy if your npc buddies are controllable
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>>119553067
The new mechanics are P4's combat system, which makes it too easy. Full 3D models and proper cutscenes rather than just dialogue describing things is the way to go, especially with how much personality Atlus squeeze out of them. It's a nice way to make replaying it more interesting, though.
>>119553094
It can be irritating but it doesn't fuck up often enough to be worth complaining about. MARIN KARIN
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>>119553247
But without the cards system, I can't get my full Thunder Orpheus Telos.
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>>119553379
The later style allows you more flexibility out of a single persona, but you're not meant to be thinking in terms of single personas.
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Best Persona girls are the robots
>Maaya Sakamoto robot
>Kansai accent robot

Perfection
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>>119553430
But how else are you going to kill Margareth without a full broken team?
Telos, Messiah and Lucifer are my favorite powercreeps.
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>>119553479
I like Aigis as a character, but she and Teddie are both the worst party members of their respective games from a thematic and atmospheric standpoint. Plus Teddie is just shit. So very very shit.
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>>119553535
How? ______git gud_______
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>>119553568
I'll respect your opinion of Aigis as a party member.

But don't you ever fucking compare her to Teddie, no one is as bad as Teddie. God I fucking hated Teddie with a passion.
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>>119553608
>implying I haven't gotten gud already
Call me when you can kill Marg with only two Persona without any items.
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I watched the Persona 4 anime and I thought it was decent. Is any of the other anime good? What about the games?
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>>119553479

I would a Labrys in a heartbeat.
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>>119553668
The anime was complete garbage.
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>>119553632
Finally, someone else who hates Teddie. He was the fucking worst.
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>>119553632
I'm just saying, they both mark the point that the party dynamic starts to falter. Everybody else is defined by their personality, but they are defined by what they are.
>>119553668
Games are great, there's already been discussion in the thread on how to get into them. Which P4 anime was it?
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>>119553717
Fucking everybody hates Teddie, anon. Where have you been?
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>>119553632
I liked Aigis Orgia Mode.
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I want a The World Ends with You anime.
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>>119553668
The other anime is utter garbage. One of the worst vidya adaptations, and that says a lot
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>>119552055
>Persona being Persona doesn't make SMT less SMT.
But it does make SMT games less frequent and less budgeted, just compare SMTIV and Persona Q. It's a lot easier for Atlus to make Persona games they know will sell well rather than risky SMT games with a smaller following. So in a sense, Persona is making SMT less SMT, or less of what it could be.
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what is /a/'s opinion on the hiimdaisy fancomics?
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Nothing's paticularly, wrong. ATLUS is in still in the process of milking the shit out of P4, when P4 is not paticularly good. It's not bad either, its a decent JRPG that fixes some problems from previous games, but plot and characters are just terrible compared to other ATLUS games. Also the animes are terrible.
Hopefully they don't drop the ball with P5.
please don't copy the Eikichi/Ginko dynamic a fourth time in a row
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>>119553717
he wasn't that unbearable
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>>119552557
I play Arena a lot and have seen the first adaption. RPGs get really repetitive for me
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>>119554703
Yep, that explains it. P4tA flanderises the cast, as does P4A.
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>>119554780
They do what now?
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>>119554880
Flanderise, named for Ned Flanders of The Simpsons. It's when a single characteristic comes to dominate a character and they become something of a parody of what they once were. It's most common in long running shows, but also happens a lot when adapting between mediums.
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>>119553479
Joiseybot version is good also.
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>>119554599
catherine was amazing, i don't think there's any reason to worry about p5.
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Reminder that Fuuka is the purest, cutest and overall best P3.
Yukari is a better fit for the MC though.
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I don't get why Rise gets so much hate. She is the friendliest of the group by far(not because she's a slut) and cute as hell.
Also, Mitsuri was best P3
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>>119555851
I kind of have a semi-bias with Rise because she reminds me of one of my best friends in grade school.

Yukari is still my waifu though.
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>>119555851
It's because Rise is as close to a real woman as an anime character can get. Weabs hate any anime character that does not act extremely stupid, is not a little girl, or both.
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>>119552070
Play it faggot. I started playing FES in December and I'm having a blast.

Also, great taste.
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>>119552619
She's pretty great. I started out FES gunning for Mitsuru, but went for Yukari first.
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>>119555851
Most anons misunderstand her and treat her like a vapid idol. Just like in the game.

It's sad because she really is the best girl
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>>119556027
>Rise is as close to a real woman as an anime character can get.
>Weabs hate any anime character that does not act extremely stupid, is not a little girl, or both.
Go back to >>>/v/ and take your weird delusions with you.
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>>119556153
It always amuses me how many people formed an opinion on her in the first five minutes. It's like they missed the point of the entire damn series.
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>>119553703

The source material isn't that good though
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>>119551230
I could not agree more. The characters and their personal development completely outdoes the dungeon level designs and any combat strategy involved.
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>>119554780
Remember when Yosuke wasn't a Stupid pervert who's Chie's punching bag? The writers don't.
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Guys, Yukiko is the best
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So when is someone finally gonna rip and compile sprite sheets of the P2 character portraits for us?
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>>119556610

The manga adaptation of Arena treated him fairly nicely.

Considering it's an adaptation of a fighting spinoff in the first place, it was way better than it had any right to be.
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>>119556846
>Yukikofag
>tumblr file name
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>>119556846
>macro

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>>119552096
>>119552372
>They went from grimdark but cool
>cool

Are you underaged?
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>>119552096
Always gives me a chuckle when newfags say this especially when Persona 4's tone was more in line with the previous games than P3 which was needlessly grimderp for the sake of it.
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>>119552372
>3 knocked it out of the park with what should be dark and edgy but somehow comes off as really cool and modern even today
>>>/v/

Wait not even /v/ is still stupid
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>>119556846
hnnngggg that scarf
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>>119556846
If by that you mean best at being bland, then sure.
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Why do I want to smell that butt? I am impossibly excited by the idea of being smothered by that glorious mass of flesh.

I literally do not comprehend my most basic motivations and psychology.
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>>119554170
Except that's bullshit. There are five mainline games and there was a longer break between Nocturne and II than SJ and IV. The Persona sub series isn't preventing Atlus from making more mainline games. If anything, the opposite is true, as Persona is such a cash cow that as long as Atlus milk it every once in a while they don't have to worry about mainline titles not selling millions.
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>>119556266
I blame short attention spans and shit taste.
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>>119554599
>P4 characters are balls compared to other Atlus games
Story I'll give you but if you're serious about characters you must not have played more than MAYBE five other Atlus games
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People who hate Marie are ridiculous, their reasons to hate her are dumb
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>>119557242
>>119556266
>>119556153
>>119557431
>She's not shit! YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND
Yukarifags and Mariefags are one in the same
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>>119550394
What's she clinging to?
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>>119557509
I'll give you Marie, but you're still a faggot.
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>>119556179
>page content

That's pretty HNNNNNNNGH!
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>>119557509
As much as I hate Yukari, don't insult her like that. Nothing is as bad as Marie and her fags.
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>>119557024
Not quite. P3 was closer in tone, but P4's subject matter was far more traditional for the series.
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Adachi is by far the worst character in the series. He is just a stupid little kid
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>>119556153
Never played P3 but her PQ look makes me want to fuck her hard.
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>>119558104
>He is just a stupid little kid
Who did nothing wrong.
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>>119557715
You sure? She was the fucking WORST in The Answer.
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>>119558208
Yukari is good like that. I like her original look more than PQ or Arena, but that's just me.
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>>119558288
It's dat skirt and the cant of her hips.
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>>119558264
Yeah. She is fine in Ultimax and really cute in PQ.
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Rise AV debut
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>>119558288
Yukari in the movie is really hot. Could not stop looking at her legs, I want to fuck her now
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>>119558456
I want to watch the movie now.
But I will be waiting forever for the third one.
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>>119558456
It's the leg holster that sells her legs, I think it's because it draws attention to the whole region.
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>>119558497
I've been meaning to pick the movies go for a while now. I hope they get dubbed, the Atlus USA cast are the characters to me at this point.
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>>119558587
Have fun with high Yosuke as MC then
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>>119558587
I would say "eww, dubs" but I guess Persona's voice cast has its fans.
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>>119558104
Adachi did nothing wrong.
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>>119558699
Damn, forgot about that. P4tA with JYB playing the protagonist and antagonist was utterly amazing on concept alone, though.
>>119558702
You spend 70 hours with them, you get used to them. Also, aside from odd choices with honorifics the localisations are top notch for the games.
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>>119558859
Pharos and MC are the same VA too.
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>>119558859
I will admit that after a couple hours of PQ I got used to the voices, even really liking the voices for Yukiko, Kanji, and Chie.
I've never played any of the past games.
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>You will never smell Chie's spats after a training session, feeling the damp, slightly musky fabric on your face
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>>119558587
Ehh, I don't know. P4's English dub cast was pretty good overall, but P3 had some questionable ones like Fuuka and Ken, and the fact that their seiyuus are Mamiko Noto and Megumi Ogata respectively only makes the difference in quality more apparent.
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>>119558859
>P4tA with JYB playing the protagonist and antagonist was utterly amazing on concept alone, though
It wasn't amazing in any way. In original version Yu and Gas Station Attendant have the same VA and they should've keept that in dub.
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>>119559207
I didn't mean amazing in a positive sense anon, get that stick out of your ass.
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>>119559176
>Megumi Ogata
Miki!
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>>119559176
Oh god, fucking Fuuka in P3.

I would pay actual money for someone to release a patch with wendee lee, who voices Fuuka in P4A, to redo all her lines.
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>>119559207

Izanami's a hermaphrodite?
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>>119558456
Yukari is hot, period.
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>>119559048
Kanji definitely sounds a lot better when voiced by Troy Baker (as in the original Persona 4) but the new dude sounds brety gud too. Did an alright job in the anime (and even then, Troy Baker voiced Kanji until Episode 12 before the new guy took over).

Yukiko's voice sounds a little more lively in PQ than it does in 4 (where she sounds bored most of the time, but I guesssss it's understandable from a story standpoint).

And Chie's voice is perfect. Her original voice from the PS2 release of Persona 4 is horrible. There are actually people who defend it. Disgusting. best waifu tho
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>>119559623
>Miki!

?
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>>119559836
>that Fuuka
HNNNNNNNG
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There are better RPGs to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpw-8vxZag&index=12
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>>119559919
I don't know voice actors by name, But Megumi Ogata was Miki Seguas in the '90s Godzilla movies, so that's how I know her.
Carry on.
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>>119559885
I too thought Chie's VA was horrible at first, but she got better as the game went on, and I guess I just grew used to it.
Aha! Is this our chance?
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>>119550394
P1 was shit.
P2 was a neat direction for the series and had a solid story, but not very relatable for most of the audience.
P3 was pretty edgy, but it tied all of its narrative and themes together very well into an unforgettable experience.
P4 was a cash-in on the unexpected success of P3 and reduced all characters to cliches for the sole purpose of mass appeal.
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>>119550394

too much popularity derived into an shitty fandom, and 2 shitty animus and a innesesary load of spinoffs
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>>119559176

Fuuka was bad in the Japanese version too. She does this horrible grating whispery-shy voice which absolutely fits the character but is just intolerable to listen to for long.

Ken is just generic shonen. Which is fine, especially compared to his English voice, but it wasn't anything to write home about.

Meanwhile, Junpei sounds fucking wrong in Japanese. He's got original P4 Chie syndrome--he sounds way too old for the role, and he doesn't fit the character's personality either. He sounds like a slick TV comedian instead of a high schooler trying to be funny to disguise his insecurities.

Mitsuru and Yukari are both perfect in both because there are queens and bitches in every culture.
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i might start playing P2
just look at this qt!
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>>119560225

P4 in ps2 was a parody of television stereotypes, but they ruined it
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>>119559176
>>119559726
>>119559885
>>119560193
...I liked old Fuuka and old Chie. Please no bully.

Although Persona 4 animu Naoto is utter shit.
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>>119559833
Gods can freely change genders and forms whenever they want
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>>119560316
Ginko is pretty great
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>>119560275
God, if there was one thing I liked about P3, it was how perfect the VA work was. Everyone actually felt "real" and it made the experience so much better except Ken, fuck Ken.

I wish P4 could've captured the magic.
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>>119555488
I want to pour a glass of chocolate milk over Fuuka
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>>119560562
Something I really liked over P4 was that each member of SEES had their own plot in the story.The most we got from the P4 crew after beating their shadows was just side plots via Social Links. I hope 5 does 3's method again.
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>>119560602
You know your stuff, anon. She's pure lewd.
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>>119560562
VA work is great, still, the soundtrack is my favorite aspect. January music is pure awesomeness.
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>>119560722
4's way of handling things was good in theory because it didn't have 'character arcs' in the main story, which might have bogged things down sometimes. Unfortunately, it was impossible to relate the progress you can make in the optional S. Links to the main game.. so most characters stayed completely static all the way through.

Like, I'm pretty sure Yukiko and Chie could be removed from the plot entirely after you save them and nothing would change.
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>>119560562

P4 had good voice acting though? I didn't like Chie or Yukiko, but they weren't dramatically worse than P3 and at least more-or-less fit the characters. Naoto was great, Kanji was great, Adachi and Dojima and Nanako were great, Rise and Teddie were spot-on.

The only thing I really missed were the romantic social links from P3, some of them were really fucking good and you could feel it building up with each rank raised. P4 was hurt by having the friend-or-lover decision so late in the links, it's like "Hey be my lover at rank 8", then one link at 9 that only modestly changes depending on whether you're dating, and then you either fuck at 10 or become best friends 5ever.

P3 Hermit was best girl, prove me wrong
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>>119560193
Chie's new VA was pretty shakey at the start of the game but she settled into her role pretty awesomely by the end of it.

For me, she was easily the most sincere when it came to the romantic scenes.
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>>119560874
I always felt that Yosuke, Chie and Naoto were the only ones who actually got anything done.
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>>119560920
For any of the more heartfelt scenes newChie knocks it out of the park, her social link is significantly improved regardless of if you waifu her.
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>>119553535
>But how else are you going to kill Margareth without a full broken team?
She's not in Fes so you're good.
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>>119560938
>Yosuke and Chie

Surprisingly they were the brains of the whole opperation (outside of the MC being controlled by the player, of course"

Naoto was a completel fucking retard from her introduction to the end, as far as the investigation was concerned.
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>>119559155
One could only dream.
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>>119560919
>P4 was hurt by having the friend-or-lover decision so late in the links, it's like "Hey be my lover at rank 8", then one link at 9 that only modestly changes depending on whether you're dating, and then you either fuck at 10 or become best friends 5ever.

My friend actually first playedP4 last week and he was kind of bugged that even though he was Chie's lover in the Social Link, in the main plot she acted like he was nothing but her friend.
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>>119560991

Exactly. She absolutely fucking nails the "unconfident about romance tomboy" aspect of Chie's character, to the point where Chie became adorable as a character for me.
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>>119561000
Now that I think about it you're kind of right about Naoto, the most impactful thing she did involved suggesting pushing somebody into a TV.
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>>119560874

Yukiko yes. They kept Chie relevant by giving her all the brilliant insights in the second half of the story that really should have come from Naoto. Maybe he actually thought he was saving them? Maybe there has been a Conductor this whole time? Shit like that.

Really Naoto was the most useless character. Go back and see how many deductions she makes compared to Yosuke and Chie. It's not a favorable comparison.
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>>119561077
She was one of, if not the main advocate for pushing Nanatame into the TV.

Chie was the one who was entirely against it
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>>119560874
>Like, I'm pretty sure Yukiko and Chie could be removed from the plot entirely after you save them and nothing would change.
The same could be said of P3.
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>>119560919
Old Teddie was nice. His max social link scene to me is memorable. He had quite some anguish on his voice that New Teddie's VA didn't.
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>>119560874

Chie was far more important than Naoto to the investigation.

Really, the three most "impactful" members of the team as far as investigation development went were Brotag, Chie and Yosuke.

Yukiko added nothing, Rise added nothing, Kanji added nothing and Naoto added how not to be a detective.
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>>119561154
I feel like Chie was supposed to be the 'heart' of the group whereas Naoto was supposed to be the brains.
Except Naoto didn't do fucking anything except repeat what everyone already knew because the devs assumed the player was too stupid to make any connections and had the attention span of a hamster.
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>>119561154
That scene was one of the best in the game, it had some real inter-party conflict and tensions flaring.
And I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel I put my dick in the right one once Chie ripped into the others. Rise disappointed me there, she just rolled over and hid in the corner.
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>>119561278

If anything, Naoto was the devils advocate for retarded decisions and ideas.

Most of the time, her actions made the player think "wait, that is retarded" and then act in the opposite way. This opposite way was nearly always the right way.
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>>119559955
oh man that is my Jam!
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>>119561299

Yukiko was guilty of that as well.

Naoto, Yosuke and Kanji were the ones who were all for it.

Chie was the only one with the balls to say that what they were about to do was retarded and founded on unconfirmed speculation.
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>>119561299
I expected every party member to at least have some type of opinion, but they all turned out to be complete pussies who couldn't even voice their concerns. I mean, I expect that from Yukiko, but Kanji and Rise and Teddy? Come on, I lost so much respect for them during that scene.
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>>119561278
Naoto played MGS and noticed how Snake repeats the last two words of a sentence back at the person as a question all the time, she decided to do the same but for whole conversations.
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>>119561299
> Rise disappointed me there, she just rolled over and hid in the corner.
That was Yukiko, Rise was openly against the idea too.
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>>119561454
Fuck, it's been a long time since I played the game. Too long, perhaps.
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>>119561454
She was, but she wasnt standing up to anyone about it.

Rise's input was "G-guys....t-this is a b-bad idea...pls listen...."
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>>119561520
Too plain
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>>119561520
Seems cool. I hope he turns out as boss as Yu did.
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>>119561278
>those scenes where you're attempting to piece things together
>the answer is obvious
>your MC acts like a dumbfuck and you can only say stupid shit
>Yosuke or Chie make the connection
>the two dumbest people in the entire investigation team
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>>119559947
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>>119561593
Chie wasn't all that dumb, she just has no confidence in herself. Something of a recurring theme with her.
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>>119561593
They clearly wernt as "dumb" as they looked.

Hell, Chie was just unconfident about that thing. Chie possess a huge amount of common sense
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>>119561520
At the risk of sounding whiny, I hope he doesn't become a flawless cool sex machine.
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>>119561593
Yousuke evidently isn't that dumb, since he essentially acts as the brains of the group in your place throughout the game.

Got me on Chie though.
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>>119561593
Kanji is dumber than Yosuke. And Teddie.
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>>119561520
I want to whore him out to Japanese businessmen.
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>>119555488
Dubs confirmed will happen
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>>119553668
stfu secondary
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>>119561299

I think it was pretty easily the best scene in the game.

In the bad ending, all of the cards are reversed:

The Fool is, well, foolish and reckless.
The Magician is immature and backs a poor plan out of haste.
The Emperor tries to impose his will on the others and control the outcome.
The Empress lets the others decide for her, since he's too dependent to think for herself.
The Lover is so upset at everyone fighting that she'll agree to whatever brings harmony back to the group.
The Chariot is directionless, with nowhere to channel her emotions.
Wheel of Fortune is influenced into making a wrong decision by factors outside of her control. Bad luck.

And of course, in the Bad Ending, the Star gives in to despair and leaves for good, Justice dies unfairly, and the Hierophant approves of you going outside the system to punish Namatame.


Subtle but powerful, in my opinion.
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>>119560919
>P3 Hermit was best girl, prove me wrong

Can't.
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>>119562330
Another smaller thing, the music for the bad and kind of bad ending credits is also the dungeon theme for the true ending.
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>>119562330
Yukiko is a Priestess, Margaret is Empress. What you said about Lovers describes Yukiko more too.
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>>119558264
Everyone besides Junpei was god-awful in the answer.
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>>119562558
>After the death of the MC, Yukari decides to become a teacher at the school she once attended with her lover
>Over time, she grows disgruntled with the monotony of life and escapes to an MMO
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I think we all know who the best girl is.
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>>119562776
But Yukari became a sentai actress and got over MC. I don't think she even mentions him in Ultimax.
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>>119562708
That's true. He was pretty much awesome all through it.
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>>119562867
Which proves that Aigis and Liz are the only two girls for MC
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>>119562821
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>>119562911
Aigis mentions him like once in Arena and says he was her dear friend.
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>>119562973
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>>119562911
Aigis is over the MC.
Only Liz is still obsessed with him, but
>Not being able to move on

It's not what 'he' would've wanted.
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>>119562984
Oh, he was a "Dear friend" alright.
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>>119562692

Whoops. Priestess Reversed also has the meaning of "needing to listen to yourself instead of others", so the point stands.

The Lovers values the harmony of the group, while the Priestess is about transmitting the wisdom of others. Both are sensitive to discord.
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>>119563051
Not canon.
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>>119563138
She's canon in her own universe
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>>119562907
I hated Junpei until he got over his MC jealousy which can you really blame him? Side note: When I stayed at MEPs before going to basic I had to stay in a room with a real life Junpei. He came complete with goatee, personality, and was watching a kung fu movie
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>>119563138

What, the Answer or FeMC?

Pretty sure the Answer is definitely canon now thanks to Arena.
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Perfection.
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>>119563027
>Aigis is over the MC

I wouldn't call it "over" that sounds pretty cold.

He is still dear to her, she just learned to accept the miracle he gave them all
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>>119563224

Junpei being jealous of MC didn't really make sense, the dude was the ace of aces and also could summon multiple personas. Of course he was in charge.

Being upset over taking orders from a girl fit his insecure personality much better.

Really, I feel like FeMC fits the story better than MC in general.
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>>119563225
feMC

>>119562867
She gets flustered when she see's Elizabeth's Persona as a fighting intro against her

And when she's talking to Mitsuru about her acting work in the epilouge, she talks about wanting to make the world happy for MC
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>>119563334
Yeah, it's kinda dumb, but jealousy in itself is usually pretty stupid.
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>>119561520
Looks like a faggot.

I thought P5 was gonna feature an adult as a throwback to the early Persona games, after I heard they were going back to the city. I was expecting a salaryman MC that kinda looked like Adachi.
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>>119550394
Who the fuck sleeps like that
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>>119563334
>Junpei being jealous of MC didn't really make sense,
Plenty of people get jealous of others obviously better than them. There's a reason superiority and inferiority complexes are known diagnoses.
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>>119563436
Adach is a great design. Also, playing with an older protagonist would be pretty cool. Maybe college student or something.
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>>119563442
Waifus
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>>119563436
I really like Adachi and his entire character arc.

Idealistic student > Jaded detective > Villain lashing out > Reluctant Hero

I wouldn't mind if they explored a character like Adachi in P5. P4 was far too one dimensional for my tastes.
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>>119563421

>but jealousy in itself is usually pretty stupid.

True. Junpei coming in and expecting to be promoted to Persona Master because he's the only man among girls just worked so well though, while his feud with MC felt like the Blue Ranger getting upset at the Red Ranger because he isn't in charge.
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>>119563334
Nope, it was all completely justified

Junpei's a kid who never succeeded at anything in life. He gets shit grades and when he comes home his alcoholic daddy beats him on the head with beer bottles. He had zero self worth.
He meets this shitty emo kid and since he had a hard time being the new kid, befriends him.

Then one day he gets this special power, that finally sets him apart. He can finally do something that has some meaning. Then he finds out the emo kid also has this power. When they go into battle together, emo kid outclasses him in every way, no matter how hard he tries. Emo kid also pulls all the bitches, manages to talk to everyone and becomes the star of the sports team he joins.

So yes Junpei has every reason to be jealous. feMC made it interesting since it added the idea that Junpei wanted to protect her, but I prefer the man's route
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>>119563436
>salaryman MC
>final boss is your actual boss
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>>119563772
Good post. I don't understand how anyone could dislike Junpei's arc or not understand it. I can understand if you prefer FeMC's, but to say MC's makes no sense?
Blasphemy.

>>119563790
Fuccboi Theo.
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>>119563790
Turned on.
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>>119563772

But he only expresses anger when he gets passed over in favor of MC. He has just as much reason to be jealous of Akihiko Babe-Slayer.

It definitely fits his character to be jealous, just that the way they wrote it feels very sudden and forced. In FeMC's route he gets immediately uppity when FeMC is put in charge instead of him and gets slapped down very publicly by Mitsuru.
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>>119563772
I've always thought Junpei's actions were the reaction the player would make if they were in his situation.

I always love how meta 3 and 4 were at times. The presence of Mitsuo and Adachi always felt like little jabs Atlus was making at the otakus, who imagine themselves to be a man like Yu
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>>119564009
>Akihiko Babe-Slayer.
Akihiko only gets babes. He's not the best of the best nor does he directly compete with Junpei since they are from different classes.

MC was one of Junpei's only friends and a chance for him to
>Show the new guy the ropes
Unfortunately, it was MC who one upped him at every possible turn.
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>>119564009
It's Akihiko man, Junpei can pretty much accept that Aki beats him in all categories

You would get jealous of your buddies or classmates at times, but not someone like Brad Pitt

I do like the addition of the girl's route. But he still had good reason to be jealous of MC. He was a bundle of insecurity
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>>119564187
/ss/ is the best shit
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>>119564187
>Dat /ss/ route
Ken was a faggot but god damn, that was adorable.
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>>119564527
I wish I had a Nee-chan
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She will likely always be my favourite vidya girl.
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How is Ultimax? Worth a play?
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>>119564693
Good fighting game, awful story
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>>119564733
More like good fighting game, good story

I mean the p3 route of course. p4 route was pretty bad
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>>119564733
So thats a yes?
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>>119564647
Im always surprised by how stacked she can sometimes appear.

I mean, sure. The jacket she wears is very form fitting and your eyes are drawn to the area around the bust but its always nice realising that the cute tomboy also has pretty nice tits.
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>>119561520
I like him
At the very least the fact that he doesn't have dumb anime hair makes his design more believable and less jarring to see in the middle of a classroom full of normal kids
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What's /a/'s thoughts on the P3 movie? I thought it was good.

2nd one's coming this March and 3rd one comes in April
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>>119563850
>Takeshi's Challenge
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>>119564800

You're thinking of PQ aren't you? Ultimax only had the one story route, and Adachi's Story.

>>119564810

I'd just watch the story mode on youtube unless you're a fighting games fan TBH.
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>>119564998
Ultimax has P3 side and P4 side
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>>119564998
No, there's a P3 route that unlocks once you beat the P4 one

Do you mean that P4 is the only canon one?
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So Yukari became a pink ranger?
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>>119564998
Both routes in PQ are good. Ultimax has two story modes and Episode Adachi.
Or was that a joke about how the shitty P4 route is the canon one and the P3 route doesn't matter at all
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>>119565080
Yep.
And Junpei became an elementary school baseball coach.
Pick related are his Ultimax prototype designs.
And in the end, he became a fucking coach
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Anyone want to sum up what happened to the P3 cast as of ultimax?
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>>119565187
He was almost Jigen?
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>>119565190
Mitsuru stays head of the Shadow Ops, has some rivalry with another government group. I don't think we'll see this conflict again

Akihiko goes into college for a job with the police. Aigis is pretty much his mom, making sure he always goes to school.

Junpei stays a baseball coach

Ken is in junior high, and will join the Shadow Ops when he graduates high school

Fuuka goes to engineering at uni

Yukari stays an actor/model
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>>119565187
>All those concept designs
Literally
What
The
Fuck
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>>119565388
Also Liz did fuckall in Ultimax and is still on her quest to save MC.
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>>119565416
Seems they had fun with it.

>>119565388
Good I guess. Weird to me Junpei didn't stay in Shadow Ops. Seemed to make him pretty happy.
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>>119565083

No, I didn't realize there was another story mode. I'll have to watch that.

My brother stole my xbox so I can't get Ultimax right now.
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>>119565464
Thats the plot of P6 anon. Got to hold off on that.
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>>119565477
He was never in Shadow Ops. They didn't even ask him for help in Ultimax, he ended up in Inaba by accident.
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>>119565464
Yeah they dropped that side arc hard. Good, I hope he stays dead

>>119565477
I think he does odd jobs once in a while for Mitsuru for some money. Really, he's the worst off out of everyone
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>>119565416
Also check out this Ken and Koro. And Koroken. Apparently they wanted to fuse them somehow.
Not as impressive as Junpei's but still.
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>>119565187

God damn, literally all of those are 10x better than what we got.

Goth Warrior Junpei to go with Goth Girl Chidori would have been the best if they'd come as a set.
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>>119565519
Actually, he was SO' backup and Yukari was to contact him when before they found out he was already in Inaba.
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>>119564647
THIS PIC IS SHIT BECAUSE YOU SHOUKD BR ABKE TO SEE HER SPATS WITH HER SKIRT UP THAT HIGH
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>>119565519
I mean stay hunting shadows post P3. Seemed to give him a lot of self esteem in that game doing something important like that.
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>>119565636
Look harder. You can clearly see her spats
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>>119565595
thank god, I don't want furfags to get any scraps

The nazi one is ridiculous, but the others are good besides the orange coat
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>>119565595
That koro in the bottom right is the best thing ever. Nazi Ken ain't bad either.
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>>119565636
>halp guise I'm literally retarded
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>>119565664
Ah I see em now, I'm gonna blame looking on a phone
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>>119565595
Koro got swag with that Lass.
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>>119565187

>Literally every prototype has him with badass shades and clearly expressing competence
>Final product is the exact same Junpei from P3 because god forbid we have any character development even after three years

It's over, Atlus is finished
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>>119565654
After the events of 3, no one besides Fuuka can summon theirs in the real world.

The only reason why they can in Ultimax is because Sho merged Inaba into the TV world for 1 hour
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>>119565620
So he works for SO on a contract basis instead of full time?
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>>119565775
The writing for Persona dropped severely sometime between 3 and 4, with an all time low in Golden.
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>>119565789
Why can Fuuka?
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>>119552089

I think its more how she contrasts with Yukiko who is demure Yamato Nadeshiko as fuck for most of the original P4 game.
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>>119565818
No it didnt.
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>>119565801
Something along those lines, yes. He's in rhw "Shadow Operatives Auxiliary Team (reserve team)" as Persona Wiki puts it.
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>>119565869
>biting Fag-kun

literally what
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>>119565840
I believe strength of will or something silly like that

Her's can only communicate and shit like that though. No combat abilities
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>>119565789

I don't think that's said anywhere. The P3 crew is surprised that they don't need their Evokers to summon in Ultimax even though it's the "real world". That implies they need the Evokers in the real world.
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>>119565951
Shes a vicious sexual predator that devours young boys.
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>>119565881
Yeah. It dropped severely in P4G and hit all time low in Ultimax
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>>119565818

Categorically untrue. P3 had a lot of awful dogshit social links, while P4's were solid-to-great across the board. P4G's extra scenes weren't bad either, and neither was Arena.

Ultimax and Persona Q did feel weaker to me though. Perhaps the A-Team is working on P5.
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>>119566041
But that was a good scene
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>>119566145
>P3 had a lot of awful dogshit social links
Like?
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>>119552631
Was there a Maniac level in Golden? Because they made Golden way easier than vanilla.
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>>119566256
Moon.
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>>119566436
No they didn't. Its the exact same. You just knew how to not be shit when you played Golden.
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>>119566256

Fortune, Magician, Strength, Star, Temperance, Moon, Chariot.

You know, the ones they completely replaced for P3P.

Also, Sun.
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>>119553568
I liked her when I was first playing P3 because she can survive hits, but I just learned how to grind and her offense became too weak for me.
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>>119566510

Not that guy, but this just isn't true.
They added extra SP regenerating features, new abilities, the rescue feature, et al. They also nerfed some early bosses like Yukiko and especially Kanji.

I do believe they added a Maniac difficulty to compensate though.
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>>119566256
Nozomi, Bebe, muh knee I can't remember his name, that other sports faggot, arts faggot that didn't want to be a doctor, Chihiro, Pharos
>>119566436
Yes but they called it Risky
>>119566510
>OP as fuck shuffle time taht levels up your skills or personas
>skill cards
>golden hands give shitton of exp when in vanilla it was 1 exp and tons of money
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>>119566444
I concede on that front.

>>119566518
Only Moon/Star/Strength were really outstandingly bad to me. Others were comparable to P4 really.
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>Junpei's dream where he proposes to Chidori on TV

I hope her being alive in FES is canon
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>>119566620
Really? I found both so easy I guess I couldn't tell the difference. Marie's dungeon was probably the "hardest" part of either version.
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>>119566656
It is. Her being alive is canon. Don't worry. Honestly surprised they didn't make her a character in Ultimax or something.
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>>119566656
It most likely isn't. In PQ he talks about her all the time, but in stoy mode in Ultimax he doesn't talk about her at all. When one of the kids he is coaching asks him if he has a girlfriend, he freezes and avoids the question
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>>119566656
It was retconed back into being canon, hilariously enough.
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>>119566669
Marie's dungeon was hard only because of the limits they impose with low tier gear and no items. Also because i know people who can't tell the obvious when they get the breaker items and the boss is immune to everything.
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>>119566742
Except it wasn't. They left it ambiguous
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>>119558587
I'd probably check out the English dub just for Junpei. His voice in Japanese feels really off.
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>Playing Persona Q which has only one audio track
>Laura Bailey will never squeal "Senpai, you're the best!" as you cum inside her

Why go on
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>>119566821
Yeah. And that still made it harder than anything else in G or vanilla. You don't play P3 or 4 for challenge. Even maniac with exp and money set to low is more tedious than hard.
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>>119566821
>boss immune to everything
>debilitate her ass
>mind charge Yukiko and Naoto
>matarukaja
>throw fire break
>Yukiko takes like over half of her health with Petal Dance
That was disappointing
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>>119560316
FUWOMII LOVA!!!
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>>119553479
I'M A PEACOCK, MITSURU! YA GOTTA LET ME FLY!
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>>119566933
You could get one of the like 10 other voice packs and listen that doesn't make you sad as a navigator. Like Nanako. Oh wait, thats even more depressing.
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>>119560316
she pleases old men for money
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>>119566957
Everything gets easy even on maniac if you grind yourself an all-repel Metatron and get Mind Charge all-dyne/morning star Lucifer.
Well, everything gets if you grind in general.
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>>119566933
>>Laura Bailey will never squeal "Senpai, you're the best!" as you cum inside her
I was having a good day anon.
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>>119567235
The problem is that the game never becomes more mechanically challenging, just tedious in terms of grinding.
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>>119566995
10/10 anon.
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>>119553568
Aigis' character development is one of the highlights of P3, so I can't agree.
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>>119566933
A-at least we got Miyuki Sawashiro asking you to "guide her through it" in FES, right?
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>>119566735

No, He dreams about proposing to her, then he wakes up and it's a sad moment because she's dead.

Then at the end of the game he says he's going to go make the dream a reality. The implication being that he wasn't dreaming about it because she's dead, he's was dreaming about what he was going to do THAT NIGHT had he not fallen asleep on the train.

They were explicitly fucking with P3 players.
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