What was wrong with the first Fate/Stay Night?
Should have been bondage Saber instead
>What was wrong with the first Fate/Stay Night?
They made Shirou look like retarded like an average shounen action hero, instead of utterly insane like in the VN.
And take your big guy with you.
How come I don't remember Shirou saying this in the VN?
I remember Rin saying this but this was in response to her trying to figure out why Shirou didn't die and she said something like "Hey Emiya-kun, people usually die when they are killed" so it made sense
Did I just skim over it or was this DEEN anime original?
That was a translation from the Eclipse-subs group from way back in the day.
Incidentally, the Geneon DVD release for the same scene (Ep23, ~6:45) has: Subtitles: "If people are badly injured, they die." English dub: "If you're hurt badly enough, you die."
This guy is one of the most obnoxious people on Youtube. How can anyone like this humor?
Holy fucking shit it pisses me off.
JUST FUCKING LOOK AT HIM
Is it just me or the DEEN designs look kinda nice when they're on-model? I wasn't a huge fan of the faces in the ufotable version, the noses looked especially off.
It's a common Japanese turn of phrase that should never be transliterated.
It's like transliterating "Ghost of a Chance". You don't do that.
Oh no, I totally understand the meaning behind it and how it can't really be translated, I just know this image gets shitposted to death and makes the series look bad because of it but I don't remember it at all in the VN
It didn't portray Shirou's inner thought processes well enough most of the time, making him look like an idiot hero instead of somewhat with deep convictions, and awkwardly tried to cram in Heaven's Feel spoilers where they didn't fit. (I was alright with the UBW spoilers, for the most part. They were just an extra fight here or there.)
The animation looks bad now, especially compared to the fucking amazing job ufotable is doing, but it had moments of absolute brilliance back in the day. I was hyped as fuck at Excalibur.
It's also notable that DEEN's Fate/Stay Night was the first time F/SN was voiced at all, and I think we can all agree that the cast they chose is pretty great.
It was certainly popular enough to prompt TM to make Realta Nua, and was arguably the reason why TM is a name pretty much all otaku and weebs know, as opposed to the monstrosity that was the adaptation we don't name.
some of them like that look ok, as a still image, in motion though it doesn't look really that good to me. Also the colours feel really pale or bland.
ufo Rin is the only one that feels like she has a worse nose and it really doesn't bother me that much because you don't notice it as much during animation
There are two groups of people I know who are drawn to the Nostalgia Critic: literal 13 year olds, and /tv/.
The 13 year olds like him because he screams and makes funny faces. /tv/ likes him because he's hilariously incompetent.
Yeah, it's been forever since I've seen DEEN's version so I admit I forgot how it looked in motion. I agree with you on the colors, ufotable definitely uses it to their advantage.
Doug is the ringleader of countless aging failures who cling to a living making youtube videos for children because they can't do anything else in their life.
JewWario is basically the end game for all of them.
Woah, all this mage shit, alternate realities, outside of time chairs, reality marbles, and future past people is just way too complicated
I'm not really sure how I feel yet about the new design. there are some hits, and some misses but being a rinfag I seem to be able to overlook most of the misses
u wot m8
If you're talking about Zero where Saber Excaliblasted Cthulhu, yeah, that was better. I won't dispute that ufotable's adaptations have been amazing, but the original F/SN was more than adequate at the time.
I can't wait for this nostalgic epic meme to resurface.
Test paper essays filled with this shit once more.
>RIN PERFECT WAIFU
Even shitposters can't help but tell the truth.
How does it feel to have a 11 year old fandom?
Nasu is what is wrong witth FSN. He should have only provided ideas and let someone else write it, like he did with Fate/Zero.
There's a reason F/Z > FSN. And it's that Nasu didn't write it.
>Nasu is what is wrong witth FSN.
>the man who made this whole franchise and thought up those timeless characters is what's wrong with this show that's so popular it spawned three to four anime adaptations
You can't be this retarded.
Fucking fish eating, educated prostitute piece of whore cunt worm shit.
More arguable for Urobutcher when he's let off his reigns and doesn't have a decent director to keep him in control.
It really wasn't that bad, most of the people you see shitting on it didn't even watch it. And comparing the quality is retarded, it's a 9 years old show and Ufo UBW has like ten times more budget.
This was where a sex scene was supposed to go right?
>the attempt to cram aspects of other routes into it
>the Fate route is the least interesting as a standalone
Now let's look at what they did right...
The VAs are all great.
The music is excellent.
Seems like a decent anime honestly.
DEEN in 2014.
It's not the year, it's the budget and the studio.
>being named Swordsman while using guns
i think it must be the translation at fault. I mean Nasus writing cant be that bad, or maybe he wanted to have it funny?
That is a dude. He has Kiritsugu's voice.
Katanagatari also has a swordsman who doesn't use weapons at all.
I don't mind replacing the scenes, but the censored versions annoy me on a level beyond just bad porn writing.
In the Fate route, Shirou gives up several of his magic circuits to heal Saber, and in UBW, Rin fucks up her chest for him. The latter one really annoys me.
Nothing. It's like the first Gundam. Full of QUALITY but helped jumpstart a franchise.
HF simply can't stand on its own; its whole thing is twisting things from the past routes.
If you factor Ufo's Zero into the picture, I think UBW stands on its own fairly well in a weird way. I mean Zero provided the background for the grail and Saber that you kind of would have gotten with the Fate route. The only super crucial thing I think that's gotten dodged are Shirou's projections.
There is way too much uninteresting SoL with Sakura in HF. Most of the fighters gets jobbed so fucking hard besides True Assassin and Rider, the Gilgamesh part was cringue worthy.
Why couldn't ufotable make a better OP like DEEN's one? Ideal white was unbearable j-popshit and the visuals didn't set the right atmosphere at all. Which is strange, because PSVita OP sequences were fine.
So did any of you guys actually watch Deenight, or are you all just in on the hivemind that it sucks? I thought it was pretty good, probably better than the VN Fate route because it cuts the unnecessary exposition and gets straight to the point. And they adaptated the ending amazingly.
Yeah, Ideal White is really awful. Can't believe they messed up on the opening, especially after F/Z's fantastic first op
Everyone who understood F/SN agrees that Nasu is a good writer. Most plebs dismiss it as shounen shit because they can't pay attention
>Which is strange, because PSVita OP sequences were fine
Each of the Vita OPs probably had the budget of an individual episode.
And Fate is a weird franchise where instead of the music being a draw to get viewers in, the show itself is popular, so the studios can use it to try and sell newer or less popular talent.
I watched it twice, once when it was new and last year. I think it hasnt aged that well and since ufotable has done such a good job it even becomes more apparent.
Tsukihime ufotable manga when?
at least I didn't laugh when I read this.
He didn't die when he was killed.
He lied to us!
> Ideal White is really awful
>especially after F/Z's fantastic first op
All of this fucking shit taste. And at least UBM op had well animated fights. Every scenes with some actions in FZ's were beyond awful, like the Waver/Rider part.
>making anything decent
DEEN ruins everything.
> did it better
> litterally just a remix
This illusion is great, but saying DEEN did anything here is stupid. Also, the music didn't fit the animated scenes of the opening, the VN's was better.
DEEN versus JC Staff, who wins?
The first episodes were actually great. And even if it did not have much in animation the sound, sound direction, and film direction all made up for it.
But then it got progressively worse and by the halfway point and forward it was such a mess that it was essentially salvageable.
It's no wonder that the show was a huge success. Because it did have many strengths as well as a solid start. Laying a very promising groundwork, and that's how you get loyal followers.
But then the flaws just keeps on growing overtaking the whole production.
So basically. The very start is actually solid. And then it gets a bit worse but the audience is already more invested so it makes up for it.
But then when the audience is the most invested, it fails tie itself together.
About the biggest flaw in how DEEN's F/SN was handled in the end is the character exposition. That for most part takes the back seat if not skipped entirely. In favour cutting and cutting to the next plot point instead moving forward.
And that does indeed move the show forward, which in truth kept it from being stagnant. But as it moved forward while doing a sorely lacking job at making the audience get to know and learn about the characters and the actual plot pieces it so quickly moved through, the quick cutting forward just leaves the show more and more disconnected with the audience.
And at this point it is very hard for the directing to make up for the already lacking animation and other failing aspects of the adaptation.
It's a rather typical example of one of those shows that can really reel you in and keep you hooked for the course of its show, while still going out with a whimper and leaving you unsure if you would ever recommend it to anyone no matter how hooked you may have been at one point.
Now add the fact that the show still quite thoroughly spoils the source material that does not share its heap of flaws. Its own flaws not withstanding, but the adaptation still shames the original.
DEEN FINDS A WAY
That's the film release. From 2010.
So it's half a decade ago and not a decade ago. For what little it matters, it matters.
Also, keep in mind that this was a fully animated feature film, that aired in actual cinemas.
It wasn't an OVA or anything. This was big. And it still came out like that.
Wait, are you telling me it's intentional?
Why? Only Shaft can get away with this shit, and nothing of this sort was ever seen afterwards in the rest of the series!
There would be none here. I, like many people that watched the anime when it aired, read the VN because of it. Then a couple of years ago the retards came, they read the VN after it was already quite popular and saw recommendations about it everywhere. That wouldn't be a problem if they weren't a bunch of self entitled morons that feel superior to the rest when they are just bandwagoning a baby's first VN.
I originally thought it's probably a timing error and the placement should'e been during his flash back to the "wind or not wind" part.
But if it's in the fucking storyboard, then I just don't know.
I watched the anime years ago, didn't really fucking understand what was going on but thought it was pretty memorable. I distinctly remember having a conversation years ago with a dude who asked me if I knew who Archer was and I replied "Of course, he's Robin Hood".
There are tons and tons of things legitimately wrong with Sailor Moon Crystal's animation. But here you can easily see the intent behind the frame even if this too could surely be of higher quality.
But this is a legitimate in-between frame to catch the attention of the eye complementing the movement of the scene as she moves underneath the screen, backwards further away from the screen, while moving upwards towards the left.
In-betweening is far more than just smear and tween frames. And while this may be of relatively poor quality, as stated, you can see this exact same technique be used by highly regarded pieces of work. Where the anatomy is off-set for the blink of an eye in order to catch the attention, steering the movement of the eye in accordance to the movement of the scene.
And no, it is honestly not my intention to defend Sailor Moon Crystal. That show was an embarrassing mess and the animation was fucking awful.
But it's because the animation was awful that it actually bothers me that people keep posting this in-between frame so much even though it has a legit intent and purpose behind it. Just stop it. You are doing yourself a disservice and you might as well bash all the other things that are just legitimately awful about Sailor Moon Crystal.
>bandwagoning a baby's first VN.
But that's not Katawa Shoujo.
Maybe the animators had the same confusion I'm having, which is either: the guy is supposed to turn that way, and the storyboarder drew the arrow to show that, then circled it to emphasize it more or whatever; or, the circle is supposed to be drawn in the direction of the arrow, which is what happened. I can't read runes so I don't know.
Let's say it's intentional... what does that confusing red circle add to the scene exactly?
If it's intentional, it's a badly directed scene and a poor choice in making a symbolic statement.
In fact, I'm convinced it's an error because otherwise, putting it in intentionally leaves us with even more unanswered questions.
The problem with fate peeps, is that they're also the older of fags around.(At least originally, now it's just a huge mess), and they set the mood for what to expect from fate. The typical /a/non who'd shit on plenty of shows for being too...shounen, and then you have people who bandwaggoned on shounen=bad, and these fate dudes are still praising the fuck out of fate, and THEN, fate/zerofags became a thing, and started playing up fate, without knowing the rest of it was VERY different from fate/zero, so all this combines, making some sort of Hype balloon. It doesn't help for many people it was literally baby's first VN.
Anyway, after all that, the anime shows up, and now you have people going. "Woah woah woah, all these years these people were allowed on /a/, talking about their SHOUNENSHIT!" because now they realize, yes it is shounen.(which isn't inherently bad, but it's become a buzzword on /a/), the zerofags realize. "WOAH, it would be SO MUCH more MATURE for mature people such as myself if it wasn't written by Nasu" and then you just have the people who didn't like it in the first place, now validated in their hate.
And THAT is where all the hate comes from.
What KS truly is, is inconsistent and a mess.
And this is not odd considering that it was written by several writers and how the different routes and parts written by different writers are clearly disjointed because of it.
Like how the common route was primarily written by one guy. Fine. The same guy wrote Hanako's route, so there is actually overlapping consistency here.
But then you jump to something like Rin's or Emi's routes or whatever, and fuck it if it's not just entirely different. Not consistent with how the common route was written.
Katawa Shoujo is a huge fucking mess. That is how I would describe it. I won't deny that there actually are parts to Katawa Shoujo that actually are good. But the package that is Katawa Shoujo as a whole is a huge fucking mess. And I would be very hard pressed to say that it's not bad.
At the very least, if you are to read Katawa Shoujo, you should go in knowing that it is a mess, and learn a bit of the nature of how and why it's a huge mess. But it's still a mess.
But he does have Sasaki's weapon. But Sasaki didn't have a super special and mystical dragon slaying weapon of great and deep hidden power or whatever. So it's just a blade that's slightly unconventional.
Is there actual evidence that he was not real? Now, I know about burden of proof, but still, it's a historical issue, what's the point of stating it so definitively if it might get contradicted in the future?
A not very competent bunch adopted a shitty VN. The only difference is that this time around the bunch is actually competent, so they can try and polish that turd. From the looks of it, they are successful.
I really wish they would've done the projection scenes like Shirou walking in on Saber and Rin talking in the shed or Rin telling Shirou other mages would put his brain in formaldehyde and turn him into a wand.
Also for me it has to be Last 4-6 days of HF > UBW > Last Episode > Fate > Rest of HF.
But Fate also was still pretty enjoyable for me since I enjoy SoL. HF's pace could have been better if the SoL was spliced with more action but it was needed to help form the conflict with the Shadow and Shirou and Sakura's daily life.
>Dat VLC product placement.
I liked both. Annemarie and Hanako best girls.
Rin's a bro too. Emi a shit.
>Emi a shit
You think this is a game?
This isn't a game
I'm sorry I shouldn't of said that. I just don't care for how picky she can be with food that Hisao can eat.
>Rereading Archer vs Shirou.
>Shirou fuckin manning up and starts recanting UBW.
>Emiya kicks in.
>Monologues, monologues everywhere.
Unless they adapt everything described or thought into visuals and words, UFO is gonna have a real hard time adapting this other than the fight itself.
Gotta stay /fit/ so his kokoro keeps going dokidoki for her
I did like the /fit/ aspect of her and all dem couch to 5ks that came about with her coming along.
I remember shit about her sprite for the demo KS being horrible compared to the one at release.
I actually disagree on that, UFO UBW has been about 8-9/10 for me so far with everything. They fucked up the Berserker fight but everything else has been pretty fuckin gr8. Date scene was perfect and Rin is moe as shit.
There is a chance for them to make the adaptation solid. Adapt the monologue into a mixture of quick visuals that can be easily understood and dialogue. UFO could even change the "If parts of me are broken use parts of me that aren't." bit into a cry of rage towards Archer in saying how he'll always try to surpass himself.
Showing Shirou's unwaverable gaze has to be on point though. Along with how his fighting style shifts cause from watching the DEEN fight it just shows them jumping around and clashing when in the VN he's fucking buckling under each strike momentarily before instantly delivering another blow.
Also I have read the entire VN. I'm not some kind of casual that's afraid of words.
We already had vampires, zombies, church ninjas, incest, and psychotic, drug-happy maids... now we've got time travel. Great. Just fucking great.
It's not time travel, just Force vision, Shiki is a Jedi
I think that was initiated by Shirou.
In HF Shirou is a big hound-dog. There's like three sex scenes in the route?
I think Shirou is a DFC guy, there are like 2 or three scenes which hint at that. So he wants to get the hookers out of his sight
Nah he loves tall dominating women like Rider.
That's why everytime she's around he's mostly focused on her.
3 scenes? That's just retarded. Sense when does Shirou act like a stereotypical teenaged boy and wanna fuck constantly? The guy was blushing as hell at Saber's lips a good deal of episodes ago and he can barely stand to touch a girl if he isn't acting out his chunni hero fantasies. Heaven's Feel sounds like a bullshit route.
Well you also have to understand that this is the route with Sakura in it. The
lewdestof all the girls.
This is 'educated prostitute' we're talking about here.
Of course Shirou wouldn't be able to handle having that literally thrown at him.
It's certainly not an instant attraction
hence all the fucking SoL.
That's Shiki logic. "I'd really rather not return to the Tohno mansion, but it would be prety stupid if I read this entire invitation and then didn't accept it." "I actually feel really sorry for this classmate, but it would be pretty stupid to meet her at night like this without killing her." "This woman is actually my sister, but it would be pretty stupid to go to all this trouble for her and then not fuck her."
>Sense when does Shirou act like a stereotypical teenaged boy and wanna fuck constantly?
When his sense of self is shattered leaving him relatively directionless. While also accepting that he is in love, while no longer seeing why he can't love as the old road he used to walk that had no room for love is in shambles. While his love is also recuperating the same feelings of love and desire.
Damaging Shirou's ideal and most of all Shirou's power to pursue it, was the only way to give Shirou a chance to prioritize and actually consider what he prefers in life.
I don't know,man. To someone who doesn't know of Shirou's fucked up mentality it does look like he's just a try hard chunni,at least that was my impression of him before.
So basically destroying everything that makes him himself? What a twisted way of love.
Thing is. Shirou never really allowed his opinions on matters to influence much. Always putting his own feelings down if it did not promote his ideal.
His ideal and drive to strive towards it may be what defines him. But at the same time it always restricted him.
There are tons of things to Shirou that he feels like he could never do as they would either be a waste of time or something that he does not deserve. Things that he otherwise have desires for.
Archers had swords for when they had to fight at close range, you young faggot. It's not unusual.
>try hard chunni
You don't know what that word means, either.
>I want to be a hero and save people
is a pretty garden variety ideal, and not
>I can shoot lasers out of my ass, that's why I keep it covered up. It's ok if you don't believe me. It's true.
Neither of them seemed "ruined" to me. Berserker's fight kept its epicness, and the Taiga kidnapping was a why not. Don't really get why they felt like changing the place, but the whole thing wasn't failed at all.
im kinda new to the fate series. I've already watched fate/zero. I just got up to episode 12 of the fate/stay night 2014 remake. I have a question. did the fate/stay night 2014 remake finish airing? because the final episode didn't seem like an ending to me at all.
Yes, that was the ending.
Shirou lost his servant, so he couldn't participate in the Holy Grail War anymore.
It's kind of a downer end.
Thanks I was kind of confused by that and couldn't find the answer anywhere online. Do you know what I should watch next? i cant download the visual novel since all i have is a chromebook =/.
I recommend following this helpful list.
Hopefully you enjoy it.
Serious question since this Fate/Stay Night will probably never be redone is ist actually worth watching the DEEN Version or is it really that bad? And yes I know the Animation is hideous just curious.
Nother Anon here:
To be honest i would never have gotten VN's into if i had not seen the pink drill girl and asked about it. It might not be the best VN, but it got enough traction in the mainstream crowd to attract new people intrested in VN.
>after KS i started reading Higuarshi
>i was expecting a slice of life with a little turmoil
>i was wrong
>You will never make pancakes with Illya
>it disappears when he realises it isn't 100% cotton
The scene would have been improved. That, and if Kotomine was saved.
>tfw the fibers in the blanket are actually swords.
Not really. He never finds out; though seeing as how Rin mentioned that she can only use her NP two times or so the day before the final battle, she might have told Rin her real identity.
So this fuckin shit showed up in my reccommended videos for some reason.
>Recommending watching F/Z first.
>Doesn't even mention the VN at all.
What the fuck? Do these guys not know or just don't care about the source material for this shit? Do they only know tsukihime for it's animu?
Atleast this guy said don't watch the DEEN shit.
That guy sounds and looks like he should be underageb&.
>I replied "Of course, he's Robin Hood".
You did good, anon. Next time, say something like Taishi Ci.
>You should watch one of the best animated and critically acclaimed anime of the decade
>You should watch a shitty porn game that takes 3 days to complete
which is a better suggestion?
There doesn't seem to be a "play the Fate VN" option.
Well first off you read it and if you don't feel like you can handle a LoTR size VN
like a casualthen by all means stick to the animu. You casual.
I watched the original and thought it was incredibly mediocre.
I watched the UWB movie and thought it was shit but at least looked pretty.
Do I have to play FSN to get it because I sure as fuck don't understand the love for this series. The art is generic as all hell and the holy grail war sounds grand but it never feels like a big deal.
What's with this maymay of Nasu being a good writer that's even better than Urobuchi-sama?
Well it the grand Nasuverse it's a medium sized incident that is a well kept secret of Nippon.
The VN is breddy gud. Some pacing problems but the good parts are great and it has a good mix of action and SoL comedy that blends well.
Just be ready for 10 days of SoL character building in HF since Sakura gets no time in any other route.
That's a stretch. At the very least, he was mediocre when he wrote Tsukihime and still pretty amateur when he wrote F/SN. He's come into himself by Mahoyo and Extra CCC however.
>better than Urobuchi
That, however, is just accurate.
He has a good point, though. They should've made an alternate route that deals with the repercussions of Fate/Zero and then have Urubochi write it since Nasu caters more to the hipster teen chuuni crowd.
This is the audience that Nasu caters to.
It's not that Nasu is any good, but the counter implication that Urobuchi is any good. They both have nice ideas, but their characters feel so shallow, like they are built up for a single premise.
It should've been. You can literally see the difference in quality of writing between Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night.
Like the difference between a child's writing and an adult's.
>have Urubochi write it since Nasu caters more to the hipster teen chuuni crowd.
Looks like you've thrown in any derogatory descriptor you could think of. But really, they both do. Urubochi more the hipster crowd, and Nasu more the chuuni.
>implying Urobutchers writing is adult writing
Seeing what's happened to Fate/Stay Night makes me realize that they're going to remove all the sex scenes in Katawa Shoujo if that's ever given an anime.
I don't know about Nasu, but Urobutcher has a big weakness of not being able to write believable characters. Like, most if his characters feel more like cardboard cutouts meant to act as voiceboxes for his ideas. In the worst case scenario, he writes literal gary stus like in PP.
This is the audience that Urobuchi caters to.
>implying Urobuchi wrote that
Urobuchi is guilty of many things, but that puppy-killingly retarded plot twist is not one of them.
>that deals with the repercussions of Fate/Zero
What the fuck does that even mean, let alone entail? They're already dealing with the war 50 years early because of the previous fuck up. Saber isn't talking about her wish because of the events in Zero making her insecure about it, Gilgamesh and Kirei actually have wishes for the grail now unlike Zero, and Shirou and Rin are following in the footsteps of their parents before them. The only characters who aren't really getting closure from Zero are Sakura and Zouken because of Heavens Feel and with the stuff Ufotable is adding in who knows what the deal with Ilya will end up being overall. There really isn't anything you can add on other than the few things from the Fate route that deal with Saber or the points from HF that deal with Sakura, Ilya, and Zouken.
Truly a terrifying combination.
The heavy pressure and inevitable defeat wasn't conveyed nearly as well in the anime. They portrayed her as actually standing a chance against him, whereas in the VN all she could do was stall while getting ravaged even when dodging the attacks.
is it not working? It's working fine for me.
Archer killed Berserker six time is it that big of a deal for Saber to knock down one of his lives early on? I mean he caught Excalibur with his bear hands and she had to resort to using her noble phantasm against him.
>The heavy pressure and inevitable defeat
Because this scene doesn't have any kind of inevitable defeat. Before the graveyard she has support from Rin and Archer so that she doesn't get wrecked and once they get to the graveyard, Saber has the complete advantage and is about to make her finishing blow until Archer messes everything up firing Caladbolg.
Invisible air is the sheath. Excalibur is the sword. The only reason fate tries to make you think Saber can't hurt Berserker is because they only want you to think the sword is C rank, but it's actually A rank. When they fight the first time, Saber doesn't even land a blow on him and they show off god hand by showing Rin can't harm him, not Saber. In the woods Saber during the second fight, Saber is so weak that even an Excaliblast is described as being unable to kill him once. That's why this time they can show her winning.
Unlimited King of Knights overrules all, it enters all worlds regardless of how inconsistent it would be with the rest of the Reality Marble.
Because the point isn't to be better than people who haven't read the VN, the point is that the VN is better than the adaptations and that people should read it.
It's exactly like Jojofags telling people to wryyyyd the manga.