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What was wrong with the first Fate/Stay Night?

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What was wrong with the first Fate/Stay Night?
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>>119443574
Dumb dialogues___________
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>>119443574
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>>119443574
Someone post the CGI dragon scene to show OP.
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>>119443752
eww no
fuck you
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>>119443744
Nice Gae Bolg
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>>119443574
You should be asking what was not wrong
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Covered the worst route with bad animation while awkwardly cramming in stuff from the other routes.
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It's not porn
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>>119444364
fucking kuzuki's head man
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>>119444364
The animation is kinda bad, but that scenography is brilliant.
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>D E E N
>E
>E
>N
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Deen version > UBW.
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Match the art style of the Deen's with UFOtable version.
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>>119444364
>Bondage Sakura
Why?

Should have been bondage Saber instead
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>>119444364

Oh come on, it wasn't that bad.
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Comedy Gold
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>>119448836
Hot. Imagine worms with that.
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>>119448915

Ok, except the CGI Dragon scene.

Besides that it was ok anime. Not terrible, not great just a solid 6/10 for its age.
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>>119443574
>What was wrong with the first Fate/Stay Night?
They made Shirou look like retarded like an average shounen action hero, instead of utterly insane like in the VN.
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It wasn´t too bad, just nothing special. People tend to forget than the VN is not very good either.
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Deen is what hooked me to the fate/ series and the VN, it served its purpose.
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>>119449299
>billion yen franchise
>not very good
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>>119449434
The only correct answer.
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>>119448915
Gotta love last decade's budget CGI.
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>>119449918
I don't get it.
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>>119449918
>$200K
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>>119443744
Fate/Zero > Carnival Phantasm > UBW >>>>> Shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Fate/Stay Deen
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>>119449918
>>119450005

>>>/tv/

And take your big guy with you.
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It could've been better than it was.
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How come I don't remember Shirou saying this in the VN?

I remember Rin saying this but this was in response to her trying to figure out why Shirou didn't die and she said something like "Hey Emiya-kun, people usually die when they are killed" so it made sense

Did I just skim over it or was this DEEN anime original?
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>>119450126
Is it really fair to rate UBW at this point? I mean it's only on it's first cour.
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>>119449918
What is the main draw for the nostalgia critic? Come on. There's no way this guy is popular.
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>>119450210
That was a translation from the Eclipse-subs group from way back in the day.

Incidentally, the Geneon DVD release for the same scene (Ep23, ~6:45) has: Subtitles: "If people are badly injured, they die." English dub: "If you're hurt badly enough, you die."
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>>119450254
So anime original then? Does it show up in fate or UBW?

I've never watched any of the DEEN stuff before
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>>119449918
This guy is one of the most obnoxious people on Youtube. How can anyone like this humor?

Holy fucking shit it pisses me off.

JUST FUCKING LOOK AT HIM
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>>119450231
At this point, Furious Fajita is more popular than Nostalgia Critic. Then again, Mad Mario is also more popular than AVGN at this point.
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Is it just me or the DEEN designs look kinda nice when they're on-model? I wasn't a huge fan of the faces in the ufotable version, the noses looked especially off.
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>>119443574
It went with the shitty Fate route.
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>>119450342
I hate DEEN's hair. It looks greasy as shit.
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>>119450286
It's a common Japanese turn of phrase that should never be transliterated.

It's like transliterating "Ghost of a Chance". You don't do that.
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>>119450218
But it's Carnival Phantasm, man.
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>>119450400
Oh no, I totally understand the meaning behind it and how it can't really be translated, I just know this image gets shitposted to death and makes the series look bad because of it but I don't remember it at all in the VN
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It didn't portray Shirou's inner thought processes well enough most of the time, making him look like an idiot hero instead of somewhat with deep convictions, and awkwardly tried to cram in Heaven's Feel spoilers where they didn't fit. (I was alright with the UBW spoilers, for the most part. They were just an extra fight here or there.)

The animation looks bad now, especially compared to the fucking amazing job ufotable is doing, but it had moments of absolute brilliance back in the day. I was hyped as fuck at Excalibur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TnnpMfLteQ

It's also notable that DEEN's Fate/Stay Night was the first time F/SN was voiced at all, and I think we can all agree that the cast they chose is pretty great.

It was certainly popular enough to prompt TM to make Realta Nua, and was arguably the reason why TM is a name pretty much all otaku and weebs know, as opposed to the monstrosity that was the adaptation we don't name.
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>>119450342
some of them like that look ok, as a still image, in motion though it doesn't look really that good to me. Also the colours feel really pale or bland.

ufo Rin is the only one that feels like she has a worse nose and it really doesn't bother me that much because you don't notice it as much during animation
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>>119450427
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>>119449197
Retard Shiro versus Insane Shiro.

Also, Unlimited _____ Works was all the rage in the early days of /a/.
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>>119450231
There are two groups of people I know who are drawn to the Nostalgia Critic: literal 13 year olds, and /tv/.

The 13 year olds like him because he screams and makes funny faces. /tv/ likes him because he's hilariously incompetent.
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>>119450465
>and I think we can all agree that the cast they chose is pretty great.

Is it now? How many of them are still voicing their characters in UBW? Or even Zero?
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>>119450210
I saw it in fate route, it's when he has the sheath removed
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>>119450488
>he's hilariously incompetent.
But Irate Gamer has him beat in that department.
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>>119450507
Almost all of them. I think only Kuzuki got shifted out because his VA died or something.
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>>119450465
>and I think we can all agree that the cast they chose is pretty great.

All of their voice actors are pretty great, I can't think of anyone I'd really replace if I could
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>>119448931
>solid 6/10 for its age.
You haven't watch much older anime, have you? And F/SN came out in 2006. It's awful for its age.
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>>119450473
Yeah, it's been forever since I've seen DEEN's version so I admit I forgot how it looked in motion. I agree with you on the colors, ufotable definitely uses it to their advantage.
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>>119450465
Holy shit, she's taking forever to do anything. It's literally Dragon Ball Z.
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>>119450539
Doug is the ringleader of countless aging failures who cling to a living making youtube videos for children because they can't do anything else in their life.

JewWario is basically the end game for all of them.
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>>119449918
I fail to see what this has to do with DEEN's Fate/Stay Night adaptation.

>>119450647
>>119450539
>>119450488
>>119450231
see >>119450168
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>>119450465
UBW did the Excalibur Scene better. Everything about DEEN's adaptation is outshined by Ufotable.
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Woah, all this mage shit, alternate realities, outside of time chairs, reality marbles, and future past people is just way too complicated
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>>119449197

but he's still relatively normal in the newest anime
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>>119450614
I'm not really sure how I feel yet about the new design. there are some hits, and some misses but being a rinfag I seem to be able to overlook most of the misses
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>>119450724
It's the essence of Chuuni in anime form.
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>>119450635
I like how they used Sword of Promised Victory, but because the scene dragged on so long, they had to edit it to loop properly to fit the scene.
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>>119450714
>UBW
>Excalibur
u wot m8

If you're talking about Zero where Saber Excaliblasted Cthulhu, yeah, that was better. I won't dispute that ufotable's adaptations have been amazing, but the original F/SN was more than adequate at the time.
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>>119443574
>tip hat
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I still don't get why Archer uses swords.

It's like being named Swordsman while using guns. It didn't make fucking sense back in 2004, and 11 years later, it still doesn't.
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>>119450835
>If you're talking about Zero where Saber Excaliblasted Cthulhu
Of course that's what I meant.
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>>119450606
That's 10 years old m8
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>NGNL slaps filters on everything
>/a/ hates it

>typemoon does the same thing
>INCREDIBLE! 10/10 AOTY! SASUGA UFOTABLE! RIN PERFECT WAIFU!
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I can't wait for this nostalgic epic meme to resurface.

Test paper essays filled with this shit once more.
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>>119450949
>RIN PERFECT WAIFU

Even shitposters can't help but tell the truth.
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Some things never change.
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>>119450866
>Caster
> doesn't wear a cast
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But what about Sacchin?
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How does it feel to have a 11 year old fandom?
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Nasu is what is wrong witth FSN. He should have only provided ideas and let someone else write it, like he did with Fate/Zero.
There's a reason F/Z > FSN. And it's that Nasu didn't write it.
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>>119451270
You been hearing about this Waver novel that's just come out?

You take this shit out of Nasu's hands and you get weird stuff.
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>>119451270
Everything wrong with Zero is typical Butcher writing.
I mean both Nasu and Urobutchi are hacks but the Butcher is way too predictable and can't write/create characters at all
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>>119451270
>Nasu is what is wrong witth FSN.
>the man who made this whole franchise and thought up those timeless characters is what's wrong with this show that's so popular it spawned three to four anime adaptations

You can't be this retarded.
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>>119451033
Sakura really is a damaged goods slut though. I mean all those warms and Shinji, she probably has almost as much mileage as a typical western female.
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>>119451270
F/SN > F/Z. It is the much more sprawling, intruiging narrative.

If F/SN is The Wire, then F/Z is Breaking Bad.
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>>119451385
Just my opinion but Nasu kinda has the Lucas-syndrom
He needs Takeuchi to "control" him otherwise they get stupid pretty fast
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>>119450985
>strange expression
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>>119451470
>*worms
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>>119451033
Fucking fish eating, educated prostitute piece of whore cunt worm shit.
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>>119451497
More arguable for Urobutcher when he's let off his reigns and doesn't have a decent director to keep him in control.
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>>119443574
Way too cunt worshipping, Archer was portrayed weaker than he is, Rin doesn't fall for Shirou
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>>119443574
It really wasn't that bad, most of the people you see shitting on it didn't even watch it. And comparing the quality is retarded, it's a 9 years old show and Ufo UBW has like ten times more budget.
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>>119450949
In fairness to UBW and Fate/Zero, NGNL goes way overboard in that department.
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>>119444364
>>119443744
C'mon guys it was 2006, give them some credit for their troubles.
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>>119448915
This was where a sex scene was supposed to go right?
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>>119451663
>fuwanovel
>not realta nua
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>>119443574
>the budget
>the attempt to cram aspects of other routes into it
>the Fate route is the least interesting as a standalone

Now let's look at what they did right...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7Q77ZD_ME
The VAs are all great.
The music is excellent.

Seems like a decent anime honestly.
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>>119451653
DEEN in 2014.

It's not the year, it's the budget and the studio.
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>>119451679
I just played through the sex scene, and god was it awful.

Is there any way Ufotable can erase it completely? They'd have to come up with some other method of mana transfer.
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>>119451663
>quality Nasu writing

Nasufags BTFO.
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>>119450866
>being named Swordsman while using guns
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>>119443574
Actually nothing. I'd argue we wouldn't have Fate/Stay Night UBW, Carnival Phantasm, or Fate/Zero without this first adaptation help in popularizing the original VN.
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Would Saber be as monstrously popular as she is without DEEN?
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>>119451784
Is she a servant? Can Shiki kill her?

Also...

>Swordsman
>man
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>>119451721
The build up to the h scene was good.
The actual sex will not be shown anyway
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>>119451822
>she
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>>119451721
What did they do already in the DEEN movie ?

> Ufotable makes another dragon scene
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>>119451751
i think it must be the translation at fault. I mean Nasus writing cant be that bad, or maybe he wanted to have it funny?
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>>119451716
>>the Fate route is the least interesting as a standalone

The three routes aren't really interesting as a standalone, HF aka "everyone jobs hard : the route" is as bad.
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>>119451822
That is a dude. He has Kiritsugu's voice.

Katanagatari also has a swordsman who doesn't use weapons at all.
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>>119451721
I don't mind replacing the scenes, but the censored versions annoy me on a level beyond just bad porn writing.

In the Fate route, Shirou gives up several of his magic circuits to heal Saber, and in UBW, Rin fucks up her chest for him. The latter one really annoys me.
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>>119451901
At least there are some interesting match-ups in HF. I'm of the belief that UBW>HF>Fate and I don't even like HF that much.
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Nothing. It's like the first Gundam. Full of QUALITY but helped jumpstart a franchise.
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>>119451901
HF simply can't stand on its own; its whole thing is twisting things from the past routes.

If you factor Ufo's Zero into the picture, I think UBW stands on its own fairly well in a weird way. I mean Zero provided the background for the grail and Saber that you kind of would have gotten with the Fate route. The only super crucial thing I think that's gotten dodged are Shirou's projections.
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>>119448915
Got a gif or webm of that?
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>>119451955
There is way too much uninteresting SoL with Sakura in HF. Most of the fighters gets jobbed so fucking hard besides True Assassin and Rider, the Gilgamesh part was cringue worthy.
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>>119451716
Why couldn't ufotable make a better OP like DEEN's one? Ideal white was unbearable j-popshit and the visuals didn't set the right atmosphere at all. Which is strange, because PSVita OP sequences were fine.
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>>119448915
So did any of you guys actually watch Deenight, or are you all just in on the hivemind that it sucks? I thought it was pretty good, probably better than the VN Fate route because it cuts the unnecessary exposition and gets straight to the point. And they adaptated the ending amazingly.
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>Nasu
>a good writer

Where the fuck did this come from?
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>>119452050
It IS way better tough. And it doesn't have the retarded rotating Sakura part in the Vita openings, which is a huge plus.
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>>119452050
Yeah, Ideal White is really awful. Can't believe they messed up on the opening, especially after F/Z's fantastic first op

>>119452058
Everyone who understood F/SN agrees that Nasu is a good writer. Most plebs dismiss it as shounen shit because they can't pay attention
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>>119452057
It's all the secondaries' fault.
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>>119452050
>Which is strange, because PSVita OP sequences were fine

Each of the Vita OPs probably had the budget of an individual episode.

And Fate is a weird franchise where instead of the music being a draw to get viewers in, the show itself is popular, so the studios can use it to try and sell newer or less popular talent.
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>>119452057
I watched it twice, once when it was new and last year. I think it hasnt aged that well and since ufotable has done such a good job it even becomes more apparent.

Tsukihime ufotable manga when?
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>>119452095
>Everyone who understood F/SN agrees that Nasu is a good writer.
>>119451870
>>119451663
>>119451260
He's SAO glop level bad, you bandwaggoning cunt.
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>>119452057
Just watched a few episodes, but the animation is quite terrible, that's a fact. Some parts like the last episode were well done at least, Gil's end was pretty well adapted.
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at least I didn't laugh when I read this.
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>>119443574
He didn't die when he was killed.
He lied to us!
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>>119451970
I recognize that newtype magic
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>>119452095
> Ideal White is really awful
>especially after F/Z's fantastic first op

All of this fucking shit taste. And at least UBM op had well animated fights. Every scenes with some actions in FZ's were beyond awful, like the Waver/Rider part.
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>>119452122
Weren't those scenes not written by Nasu?

Regardless, the rest of the material is great. Play Realta Nua if they bother you that much.
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>>119452022
I'm halfway through HF right now. Way better than the other routes but I agree assassin killing everyone is a mark against it.
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>>119452057
>DEEN
>making anything decent

DEEN ruins everything.
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>>119452178
I'm referring to the music! UfoBW OP's visuals are fine.
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>>119452201
>Weren't those scenes not written by Nasu?
Secondary detected, opinion discarded.
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>>119452223
I don't see where is the problem with the music, fits well FSN.
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>>119452125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcf7EviOXo

Yes. The music was perfect
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>>119452136
I did.
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>>119444364
Holy shit, that's terrible. To think, it's supposed to be a major scene too.
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>>119452256
>generic j pop shounen adaptation music
>fits well F/SN

No. DEEN did it better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7Q77ZD_ME
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>>119451663
>tfw the male equivalent of lifetime movies or romance novels will never be acceptable in the west
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>>119452213
What's with this red oval ?
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>>119450954
holy shit, a new generation of chuunis spamming this, imagine
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>>119452309
It appeared in the actual episode. It's not circling an error, the red circle is the error.

Only with DEEN.
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>>119452294
> did it better
> litterally just a remix

This illusion is great, but saying DEEN did anything here is stupid. Also, the music didn't fit the animated scenes of the opening, the VN's was better.
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>>119452236
I just looked it up. The sex scenes weren't written by Nasu.
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>>119452340
>>119452213
Holy shit.
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>>119452340
So they forgot to remove it ? What the hell. Even the overall background seems like a WIP pic. Tough looking at top right, it's the TV version, I guess the DVD one was fixed.
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>>119452340
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While not a very good anime, can you really tell me there would be as many T-M fans today if it never existed?
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>>119452340
DEEN versus JC Staff, who wins?
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>>119452213
>Google image search
>latest Rozen Maiden

No wonder it sold like shit.
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>>119452365

Source?
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>>119452359
>Also, the music didn't fit the animated scenes of the opening
Nigga, what?
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>>119452213
>>119452530
>mfw it's true
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>>119452610
No fucking way.

There's no fucking way they didn't catch that.
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>>119452610
Holy shit.

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
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>>119443574
The first episodes were actually great. And even if it did not have much in animation the sound, sound direction, and film direction all made up for it.

But then it got progressively worse and by the halfway point and forward it was such a mess that it was essentially salvageable.

It's no wonder that the show was a huge success. Because it did have many strengths as well as a solid start. Laying a very promising groundwork, and that's how you get loyal followers.
But then the flaws just keeps on growing overtaking the whole production.

So basically. The very start is actually solid. And then it gets a bit worse but the audience is already more invested so it makes up for it.
But then when the audience is the most invested, it fails tie itself together.

About the biggest flaw in how DEEN's F/SN was handled in the end is the character exposition. That for most part takes the back seat if not skipped entirely. In favour cutting and cutting to the next plot point instead moving forward.
And that does indeed move the show forward, which in truth kept it from being stagnant. But as it moved forward while doing a sorely lacking job at making the audience get to know and learn about the characters and the actual plot pieces it so quickly moved through, the quick cutting forward just leaves the show more and more disconnected with the audience.
And at this point it is very hard for the directing to make up for the already lacking animation and other failing aspects of the adaptation.

It's a rather typical example of one of those shows that can really reel you in and keep you hooked for the course of its show, while still going out with a whimper and leaving you unsure if you would ever recommend it to anyone no matter how hooked you may have been at one point.
Now add the fact that the show still quite thoroughly spoils the source material that does not share its heap of flaws. Its own flaws not withstanding, but the adaptation still shames the original.
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>>119452610
Was it intentional?
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>>119452610
Why does it appear drawn over several frames instead of just popping in and out of existence during only a few?
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>>119452485
I don't see it
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>>119452213
>>119452610
DEEN FINDS A WAY
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>>119452628
>>119452677
>>119452766
http://nya.ldblog.jp/archives/29501416.html
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>>119452786
>Stars through the disc of the moon
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>>119451653
>2006
That's the film release. From 2010.
So it's half a decade ago and not a decade ago. For what little it matters, it matters.

Also, keep in mind that this was a fully animated feature film, that aired in actual cinemas.
It wasn't an OVA or anything. This was big. And it still came out like that.
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>>119452786
Are you so used to seeing Piccolo and Master Roshi blowing up the moon that it seems normal for you to see stars through it?
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>>119452786
Stars in the moon.
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>>119452808
>that storyboard
Wait, are you telling me it's intentional?

Why? Only Shaft can get away with this shit, and nothing of this sort was ever seen afterwards in the rest of the series!
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>>119452846
>For what little it matters
It matter a lot considering the standards of 2010 where soranowoto is the average
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>>119452808
So is it a leftover production marker or a brief instance of DEEN trying to be SHAFT?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_TdHrXKOW4

Fucking Kenji Kawai.
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>>119452808
>it was intentional
Too spoopy and deep for me.
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>>119453007
why the fuck didn't they get this guy for ufotable blade works
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>>119452808
I can't read any of this shit, captain.
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>>119453040
Fukusawa is really talented and has direct connections to Type Moon scoring Mahoyo.
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>>119452485
Toei wins.
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>>119443574
It might be easier point what wasn't wrong, I guess.
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>>119452424
There would be none here. I, like many people that watched the anime when it aired, read the VN because of it. Then a couple of years ago the retards came, they read the VN after it was already quite popular and saw recommendations about it everywhere. That wouldn't be a problem if they weren't a bunch of self entitled morons that feel superior to the rest when they are just bandwagoning a baby's first VN.
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>>119452485
DEEN because no Index 3.
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>>119452628
It was discussed on /a/ as soon as it appeared.
https://archive.moe/a/thread/89265155/#q89269838
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Because they decided to mix the routes and made Shirou a dumb moron?
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>>119452808
I originally thought it's probably a timing error and the placement should'e been during his flash back to the "wind or not wind" part.

But if it's in the fucking storyboard, then I just don't know.
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>>119453172
I watched the anime years ago, didn't really fucking understand what was going on but thought it was pretty memorable. I distinctly remember having a conversation years ago with a dude who asked me if I knew who Archer was and I replied "Of course, he's Robin Hood".
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>>119453125
There are tons and tons of things legitimately wrong with Sailor Moon Crystal's animation. But here you can easily see the intent behind the frame even if this too could surely be of higher quality.

But this is a legitimate in-between frame to catch the attention of the eye complementing the movement of the scene as she moves underneath the screen, backwards further away from the screen, while moving upwards towards the left.

In-betweening is far more than just smear and tween frames. And while this may be of relatively poor quality, as stated, you can see this exact same technique be used by highly regarded pieces of work. Where the anatomy is off-set for the blink of an eye in order to catch the attention, steering the movement of the eye in accordance to the movement of the scene.

And no, it is honestly not my intention to defend Sailor Moon Crystal. That show was an embarrassing mess and the animation was fucking awful.
But it's because the animation was awful that it actually bothers me that people keep posting this in-between frame so much even though it has a legit intent and purpose behind it. Just stop it. You are doing yourself a disservice and you might as well bash all the other things that are just legitimately awful about Sailor Moon Crystal.
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>>119453172
>bandwagoning a baby's first VN.
But that's not Katawa Shoujo.
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>>119453244
>made
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>>119453338
KS is trash
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>>119452610
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>>119452808
Maybe the animators had the same confusion I'm having, which is either: the guy is supposed to turn that way, and the storyboarder drew the arrow to show that, then circled it to emphasize it more or whatever; or, the circle is supposed to be drawn in the direction of the arrow, which is what happened. I can't read runes so I don't know.
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>>119453378
No it isn't.
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>>119453465
Why yes, it is. It's next-level weeabo trash.
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>>119452808
Let's say it's intentional... what does that confusing red circle add to the scene exactly?

If it's intentional, it's a badly directed scene and a poor choice in making a symbolic statement.

In fact, I'm convinced it's an error because otherwise, putting it in intentionally leaves us with even more unanswered questions.
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>>119453499
oh
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>>119453378
its the best western VN
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>>119453499
You can say the same thing for FSN.

>>119453434
Maybe the animators were Korean and can't read moonrunes either?
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>>119452628
Can't tell if intentional or really dumb.

It says a lot about DEEN's quality control, though.
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The problem with fate peeps, is that they're also the older of fags around.(At least originally, now it's just a huge mess), and they set the mood for what to expect from fate. The typical /a/non who'd shit on plenty of shows for being too...shounen, and then you have people who bandwaggoned on shounen=bad, and these fate dudes are still praising the fuck out of fate, and THEN, fate/zerofags became a thing, and started playing up fate, without knowing the rest of it was VERY different from fate/zero, so all this combines, making some sort of Hype balloon. It doesn't help for many people it was literally baby's first VN.

Anyway, after all that, the anime shows up, and now you have people going. "Woah woah woah, all these years these people were allowed on /a/, talking about their SHOUNENSHIT!" because now they realize, yes it is shounen.(which isn't inherently bad, but it's become a buzzword on /a/), the zerofags realize. "WOAH, it would be SO MUCH more MATURE for mature people such as myself if it wasn't written by Nasu" and then you just have the people who didn't like it in the first place, now validated in their hate.

And THAT is where all the hate comes from.
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>>119453534
I'll give you that.
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I just reached the part in UBW where Assassin explains he's a fake, etc.

Is the reason he doesn't have a Noble Phantasm because he isn't the real Sasaki Kojirou?
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>>119453465
What KS truly is, is inconsistent and a mess.
And this is not odd considering that it was written by several writers and how the different routes and parts written by different writers are clearly disjointed because of it.

Like how the common route was primarily written by one guy. Fine. The same guy wrote Hanako's route, so there is actually overlapping consistency here.
But then you jump to something like Rin's or Emi's routes or whatever, and fuck it if it's not just entirely different. Not consistent with how the common route was written.

Katawa Shoujo is a huge fucking mess. That is how I would describe it. I won't deny that there actually are parts to Katawa Shoujo that actually are good. But the package that is Katawa Shoujo as a whole is a huge fucking mess. And I would be very hard pressed to say that it's not bad.
At the very least, if you are to read Katawa Shoujo, you should go in knowing that it is a mess, and learn a bit of the nature of how and why it's a huge mess. But it's still a mess.
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>>119453534
Depression Quest was better.
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>>119453651
All of the routes are great.
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>>119453534
That's not Gone Home.
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>>119443574
It's a faithful adaptation of the VN
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>>119453534
>implying
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>>119453652
Please delete that image
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>>119453674
Opinions. But no matter, they are still disjointed and inconsistent.
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I sure am getting sick of the Deen is QUALITY maymay.
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>>119453650
How Can Assasin Be Real If Sasaki Kojirou Ain't Real?
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>>119453770
so are u gonna answer my question
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>>119453329
>in-between frame
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>>119453650
But he does have Sasaki's weapon. But Sasaki didn't have a super special and mystical dragon slaying weapon of great and deep hidden power or whatever. So it's just a blade that's slightly unconventional.
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>>119453808
well nigguh u gon ave 2 ask sum1 else smh
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>>119453749
>maymay
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>>119453338
I kek'd.

I didn't know Shizune was a titan.
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>>119453808
There is no real Sasaki Kojirou, it's a mythical character. He's a heroic spirit of a non-existent entity, therefore he is inferior to true heroic spirits.
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>>119453901
epik bro, literally LOLling
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>>119453770
Is there actual evidence that he was not real? Now, I know about burden of proof, but still, it's a historical issue, what's the point of stating it so definitively if it might get contradicted in the future?
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>>119453945
Tough Fake Assassin does is real, he was a nameless swordman that matches the best Kojirou's legend.
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>>119454054
So fake Assassin was a real person that became a hero because of his similarity to the Sasaki Kojirou legend?
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>>119443574
A not very competent bunch adopted a shitty VN. The only difference is that this time around the bunch is actually competent, so they can try and polish that turd. From the looks of it, they are successful.
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>>119454182
>shitty
>turd
Whoa, thought I was on /v/ for a second.
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>>119454086
Fake assassin is a wraith who was a real person that got shoved into the assassin container because his skills resembled those that Sasaki was known for.
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>>119451983
I really wish they would've done the projection scenes like Shirou walking in on Saber and Rin talking in the shed or Rin telling Shirou other mages would put his brain in formaldehyde and turn him into a wand.

Also for me it has to be Last 4-6 days of HF > UBW > Last Episode > Fate > Rest of HF.

But Fate also was still pretty enjoyable for me since I enjoy SoL. HF's pace could have been better if the SoL was spliced with more action but it was needed to help form the conflict with the Shadow and Shirou and Sakura's daily life.

>>119453711
>Dat VLC product placement.
I liked both. Annemarie and Hanako best girls.
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>>119454267
>Hanako
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>>119454316
Rin's a bro too.
Emi a shit.
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>>119454388
>Emi a shit
You think this is a game?
This isn't a game
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>>119453865
shut up nigger, ever wonder why there are no black heroic spirits? it's because nips hate your kind.
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>>119443574
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>>119454464
I'm sorry I shouldn't of said that. I just don't care for how picky she can be with food that Hisao can eat.
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>Rereading Archer vs Shirou.
>Shirou fuckin manning up and starts recanting UBW.
>Emiya kicks in.
>Monologues, monologues everywhere.

Unless they adapt everything described or thought into visuals and words, UFO is gonna have a real hard time adapting this other than the fight itself.
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>>119454664
It's been a problem throughout the adaptation. Ufotable UBW is shit, I recommend reading the VN then just watching it to see the fights. As a standalone it's terrible.
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>>119454558
Gotta stay /fit/ so his kokoro keeps going dokidoki for her
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>>119454723
I did like the /fit/ aspect of her and all dem couch to 5ks that came about with her coming along.

I remember shit about her sprite for the demo KS being horrible compared to the one at release.
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>>119454709
I actually disagree on that, UFO UBW has been about 8-9/10 for me so far with everything. They fucked up the Berserker fight but everything else has been pretty fuckin gr8. Date scene was perfect and Rin is moe as shit.

There is a chance for them to make the adaptation solid. Adapt the monologue into a mixture of quick visuals that can be easily understood and dialogue. UFO could even change the "If parts of me are broken use parts of me that aren't." bit into a cry of rage towards Archer in saying how he'll always try to surpass himself.

Showing Shirou's unwaverable gaze has to be on point though. Along with how his fighting style shifts cause from watching the DEEN fight it just shows them jumping around and clashing when in the VN he's fucking buckling under each strike momentarily before instantly delivering another blow.

Also I have read the entire VN. I'm not some kind of casual that's afraid of words.
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We already had vampires, zombies, church ninjas, incest, and psychotic, drug-happy maids... now we've got time travel. Great. Just fucking great.
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>>119454960
>I'm not some kind of casual
>UBW has been about 8-9/10 for me
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>>119454982
ROA is one hell of a magus.
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>>119454960
They also ruined the Taiga kidnapping scene and skipped important stuff. Also like you said, Berserker fight was awful. DEEN even animated him better in the movie.
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>>119454982
It's not time travel, just Force vision, Shiki is a Jedi
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>>119451870
Any particular reason why she's doing it reverse style? Knowing her character wouldn't she be more into Shirou being on top of her? I didn't read the novel.
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>>119455661
I think that was initiated by Shirou.
In HF Shirou is a big hound-dog. There's like three sex scenes in the route?
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>>119455729
I think Shirou is a DFC guy, there are like 2 or three scenes which hint at that. So he wants to get the hookers out of his sight
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>>119455839
Nah he loves tall dominating women like Rider.
That's why everytime she's around he's mostly focused on her.
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Woops, wrong picture.
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>>119455729
3 scenes? That's just retarded. Sense when does Shirou act like a stereotypical teenaged boy and wanna fuck constantly? The guy was blushing as hell at Saber's lips a good deal of episodes ago and he can barely stand to touch a girl if he isn't acting out his chunni hero fantasies. Heaven's Feel sounds like a bullshit route.
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Can anyone name all of the scenes which the detached building in Tsukihime is apart of?
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>>119456206
Well you also have to understand that this is the route with Sakura in it. The lewdest of all the girls.
This is 'educated prostitute' we're talking about here.
Of course Shirou wouldn't be able to handle having that literally thrown at him.

It's certainly not an instant attraction hence all the fucking SoL.
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>>119456279
who is that one with the purple hair beside Rider?
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>>119456347
Shinji or Sakura
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>>119455362
That's Shiki logic. "I'd really rather not return to the Tohno mansion, but it would be prety stupid if I read this entire invitation and then didn't accept it." "I actually feel really sorry for this classmate, but it would be pretty stupid to meet her at night like this without killing her." "This woman is actually my sister, but it would be pretty stupid to go to all this trouble for her and then not fuck her."
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>>119456385
It must be Shinji then
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>>119456206
>Sense when does Shirou act like a stereotypical teenaged boy and wanna fuck constantly?
When his sense of self is shattered leaving him relatively directionless. While also accepting that he is in love, while no longer seeing why he can't love as the old road he used to walk that had no room for love is in shambles. While his love is also recuperating the same feelings of love and desire.

Damaging Shirou's ideal and most of all Shirou's power to pursue it, was the only way to give Shirou a chance to prioritize and actually consider what he prefers in life.
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Does Saber being King Arthur ever factor into UBW as a subplot at all? It's halfway over and Shirou still doesn't know who she is.
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>>119450770
You don't know what that word means.
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>>119457295
I don't know,man. To someone who doesn't know of Shirou's fucked up mentality it does look like he's just a try hard chunni,at least that was my impression of him before.

>>119456508
So basically destroying everything that makes him himself? What a twisted way of love.
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>>119457383
Thing is. Shirou never really allowed his opinions on matters to influence much. Always putting his own feelings down if it did not promote his ideal.

His ideal and drive to strive towards it may be what defines him. But at the same time it always restricted him.
There are tons of things to Shirou that he feels like he could never do as they would either be a waste of time or something that he does not deserve. Things that he otherwise have desires for.
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>>119450866
Archers had swords for when they had to fight at close range, you young faggot. It's not unusual.

>>119457383
>try hard chunni
You don't know what that word means, either.

>I want to be a hero and save people
is a pretty garden variety ideal, and not
>I can shoot lasers out of my ass, that's why I keep it covered up. It's ok if you don't believe me. It's true.
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>>119455284
Neither of them seemed "ruined" to me. Berserker's fight kept its epicness, and the Taiga kidnapping was a why not. Don't really get why they felt like changing the place, but the whole thing wasn't failed at all.
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>>119450905
And, there are 40 year old anime that blow it away.
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im kinda new to the fate series. I've already watched fate/zero. I just got up to episode 12 of the fate/stay night 2014 remake. I have a question. did the fate/stay night 2014 remake finish airing? because the final episode didn't seem like an ending to me at all.
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>>119462815
Yes, that was the ending.
Shirou lost his servant, so he couldn't participate in the Holy Grail War anymore.
It's kind of a downer end.
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>>119463008
Thanks I was kind of confused by that and couldn't find the answer anywhere online. Do you know what I should watch next? i cant download the visual novel since all i have is a chromebook =/.
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>>119463136
I recommend following this helpful list.
Hopefully you enjoy it.
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>>119443574
Serious question since this Fate/Stay Night will probably never be redone is ist actually worth watching the DEEN Version or is it really that bad? And yes I know the Animation is hideous just curious.
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Why is shirou so erotic?
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>>119462815
>I'm so new to anime that I'm incapable of googling whether a show will be split cour or not
Don't worry anon it got cancelled because not enough Saber
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>>119463346
You should seriously just read the vn.
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>>119463250
awesome dude thanks
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>>119463438
I seriously already did that I want to see it animated.
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>>119463557
>I want to see it animated
>I know the Animation is hideous
What are you even asking for?
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>>119456295
>no ilya
kek
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>>119453651
Nother Anon here:

To be honest i would never have gotten VN's into if i had not seen the pink drill girl and asked about it. It might not be the best VN, but it got enough traction in the mainstream crowd to attract new people intrested in VN.

>after KS i started reading Higuarshi
>i was expecting a slice of life with a little turmoil
>i was wrong
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>>119464370
That's really my thoughts on it too.
It's a good entry-point, and it's easy to move on to other VNs once you finish it.
Unless you're like the KS general. Thread #2577.
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>>119457252
I think it's only really relevant in Fate
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>>119453711
What is this from?
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>>119451260
That prostitute has a college degree.
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>You will never make pancakes with Illya
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Important reminder that there's a scene where Shirou projects a blanket
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>>119468402
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>>119468699
>i present to you, my dong, "Jack".
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>>119443574
The main character.
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>>119449668
Frozen also gets millions of dollars, and it's not very good
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>>119468699
>it disappears when he realises it isn't 100% cotton
The scene would have been improved. That, and if Kotomine was saved.
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>>119469925
>tfw the fibers in the blanket are actually swords.
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>>119468699
What of it? Looks perfectly normal to me.

>>119469879
Hipster detected.
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>>119443574
All I remember from it is this pitch black pit of self loathing and rage that I ever wasted my time on this series. Never going to watch anything fate because of it
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>>119457252
Not really. He never finds out; though seeing as how Rin mentioned that she can only use her NP two times or so the day before the final battle, she might have told Rin her real identity.
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>>119450126
>Fate/Zero > Carnival Phantasm
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So this fuckin shit showed up in my reccommended videos for some reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAYeMFWLDXQ
>Recommending watching F/Z first.
>Doesn't even mention the VN at all.
What the fuck? Do these guys not know or just don't care about the source material for this shit? Do they only know tsukihime for it's animu? Atleast this guy said don't watch the DEEN shit.
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>>119474466
>I haven't played it, but I heard it's just a porn game, not like deep and mature FZ.
is the typical response.
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>>119453274
>asked me if I knew who Archer was and I replied "Of course, he's Robin Hood".

Funny, that actually happens in Extra.
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>>119474466
This is painful. All of these people haven't played the VN and are entirely unfamiliar with how much of HF is going to be spoiled by Fate/zero
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>>119474466
That guy sounds and looks like he should be underageb&.

>>119453274
>I replied "Of course, he's Robin Hood".
You did good, anon. Next time, say something like Taishi Ci.
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What's wrong is that it was made by Deen.
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>>119474466
>secondaries
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>>119452610
Deen finds a way.
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>>119474466
>You should watch one of the best animated and critically acclaimed anime of the decade

vs.

>You should watch a shitty porn game that takes 3 days to complete

which is a better suggestion?
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>>119476081
Porn game, obviously.

Best three days ever.
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>>119476081
There doesn't seem to be a "play the Fate VN" option.
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>secondaries
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>>119476269
She's right. Fuck your shitty VN.
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>>119474466
>So this fuckin shit showed up in my reccommended videos for some reason.
And you go and post it here?
Kill yourself
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>>119476269
>Rin-only episodes
>Fate/Zero
>Saber
>Chibi

Is it the same idiot who made the video here >>119474466?
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>>119476081
>watching a shitty porn game
That's not how porn is used.
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>>119476081
Well first off you read it and if you don't feel like you can handle a LoTR size VN like a casual then by all means stick to the animu. You casual.
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I watched the original and thought it was incredibly mediocre.

I watched the UWB movie and thought it was shit but at least looked pretty.

Do I have to play FSN to get it because I sure as fuck don't understand the love for this series. The art is generic as all hell and the holy grail war sounds grand but it never feels like a big deal.
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>>119476618
If you read threads and shitpost about it while you're playing it that makes it a lot more bearable.
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>>119476618
DEEN/Stay Night is an abomination, read the VN.

Alternatively watch Ufotable's stuff.
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What's with this maymay of Nasu being a good writer that's even better than Urobuchi-sama?

Seriously?
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>>119448915
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>>119476618
Well it the grand Nasuverse it's a medium sized incident that is a well kept secret of Nippon.

The VN is breddy gud. Some pacing problems but the good parts are great and it has a good mix of action and SoL comedy that blends well. Just be ready for 10 days of SoL character building in HF since Sakura gets no time in any other route.
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>>119476269
Urubochi > Nasu

Fate/Zero > Fate/Stay Night
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>>119476811
epic xD
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>>119476735
>good writer

That's a stretch. At the very least, he was mediocre when he wrote Tsukihime and still pretty amateur when he wrote F/SN. He's come into himself by Mahoyo and Extra CCC however.

>better than Urobuchi

That, however, is just accurate.
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>>119476269
>secondaries

He has a good point, though. They should've made an alternate route that deals with the repercussions of Fate/Zero and then have Urubochi write it since Nasu caters more to the hipster teen chuuni crowd.
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>>119476910
>it should have been a completely different anime
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>>119476865
This is the audience that Nasu caters to.
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>>119476735
It's not that Nasu is any good, but the counter implication that Urobuchi is any good. They both have nice ideas, but their characters feel so shallow, like they are built up for a single premise.
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>>119476910
>They should've made an alternate route that deals with the repercussions of Fate/Zero
Why? There's plenty of time for spinoffs later, all I want is a good adaptation of FSN.
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>>119476946
It should've been. You can literally see the difference in quality of writing between Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night.

Like the difference between a child's writing and an adult's.
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>>119476974
>I have never seen a Fate/Zero discussion ever
The entire audience for Fate/Zero is 13-15 year olds who think that by being dark then it's automatically deep and mature.
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>>119476910
>have Urubochi write it since Nasu caters more to the hipster teen chuuni crowd.
Looks like you've thrown in any derogatory descriptor you could think of. But really, they both do. Urubochi more the hipster crowd, and Nasu more the chuuni.
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>>119477049
>implying Urobutchers writing is adult writing
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>>119476974
And Urobuchi caters to the dark and edgy audience.
There are no winners in a discussion about Fate, because both Nasu and Urobuchi suck.
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Seeing what's happened to Fate/Stay Night makes me realize that they're going to remove all the sex scenes in Katawa Shoujo if that's ever given an anime.
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>>119476735
I don't know about Nasu, but Urobutcher has a big weakness of not being able to write believable characters. Like, most if his characters feel more like cardboard cutouts meant to act as voiceboxes for his ideas. In the worst case scenario, he writes literal gary stus like in PP.
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>>119476974
This is the audience that Urobuchi caters to.
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>>119477049
>adult's
>muh mother
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>>119452213
>>119452610
It's official. Deen for QUALITY animation studio of all time.
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>>119477313
>implying Urobuchi wrote that

Urobuchi is guilty of many things, but that puppy-killingly retarded plot twist is not one of them.
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>>119477459
>puppy-killingly
Heh
I do hope the movie's good though.
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>>119476910
>that deals with the repercussions of Fate/Zero
What the fuck does that even mean, let alone entail? They're already dealing with the war 50 years early because of the previous fuck up. Saber isn't talking about her wish because of the events in Zero making her insecure about it, Gilgamesh and Kirei actually have wishes for the grail now unlike Zero, and Shirou and Rin are following in the footsteps of their parents before them. The only characters who aren't really getting closure from Zero are Sakura and Zouken because of Heavens Feel and with the stuff Ufotable is adding in who knows what the deal with Ilya will end up being overall. There really isn't anything you can add on other than the few things from the Fate route that deal with Saber or the points from HF that deal with Sakura, Ilya, and Zouken.
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>>119476974
>>119477233
Both of these are correct.

It's the worst of both worlds.
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>>119450888

Saber blows Berserker apart with Excalibur in UBW so you weren't wrong.

http://a.pomf.se/tbgbxi.webm
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>>119477639
Looks like you fucked something up.
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>>119477639
>tfw secondaries will think Saber is on the same level as Berserker because of Ufotable
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>>119476974
>>119477233
Truly a terrifying combination.
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>>119477782
That scene played out pretty much exactly like in the VN, only they actually added in Saber using the killing blow that was described in the VN.
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>>119477922
The heavy pressure and inevitable defeat wasn't conveyed nearly as well in the anime. They portrayed her as actually standing a chance against him, whereas in the VN all she could do was stall while getting ravaged even when dodging the attacks.
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>>119477782
Saber's pretty close to Berserker's level when she isn't running on fumes.
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>>119478008
I dunno, the fact that Herc was tossing Saber around like a football made it look pretty against her to me.
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>>119477762
is it not working? It's working fine for me.

>>119477782
Archer killed Berserker six time is it that big of a deal for Saber to knock down one of his lives early on? I mean he caught Excalibur with his bear hands and she had to resort to using her noble phantasm against him.
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>>119478008
>The heavy pressure and inevitable defeat
Because this scene doesn't have any kind of inevitable defeat. Before the graveyard she has support from Rin and Archer so that she doesn't get wrecked and once they get to the graveyard, Saber has the complete advantage and is about to make her finishing blow until Archer messes everything up firing Caladbolg.
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>>119443574
We'd have an easier time listing down what went right with Deen/Stay Night.
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>>119478275
The emiya theme for it is pretty good
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http://youtu.be/E1PmzgnZROo?t=9m31s
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>>119470021
And what are the sword-fibers made from?
You guessed it: Worms,
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>>119476974
>>119477233
Interesting. So they both suck, huh?
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>>119478269
People always bring this up despite invisible air literally being unable to pierce god hand.
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>>119478488
Of course they do. Everything sucks*.

*This is what /a/ actually believes.
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>>119478488
Pretty much. FZ has Kerry blowing shit up, but all the DEEPness was pretty much carrying over themes that were already present in the VN.
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>>119478563
No, not everything. But the Fate audience does.

Both "primaries" and secondaries.
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>>119478431
>Archer
>actually using arrows

You're confused, Red Man. Archers use short swords.
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>>119478520
Invisible air is the sheath. Excalibur is the sword. The only reason fate tries to make you think Saber can't hurt Berserker is because they only want you to think the sword is C rank, but it's actually A rank. When they fight the first time, Saber doesn't even land a blow on him and they show off god hand by showing Rin can't harm him, not Saber. In the woods Saber during the second fight, Saber is so weak that even an Excaliblast is described as being unable to kill him once. That's why this time they can show her winning.
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>>119478630
>this is what secondaries actually believe
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>>119478808
>power level and technique debates
>implying that's not chuuni as fuck
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>>119478746
But, Saber remarks that she herself is unable to harm him during fate.
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>>119479226
>reading comprehnshion
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>>119479452
>comprehnsion
>hnsion
>spelling and grammar
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>>119479226

No, Shirou remarks it and Saber remains silent, neither confirming or denying.
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>>119477233
Well, Nasu doesn't have a reality marble. Gen Urobuchi has one (Dead End Catharsis).

Urobuchi wins.
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>>119478916
well it looks like /tg/ is chuuni central

whatever the fuck that even means since stay night is older than the bullshit that sprung up from that eyepatch girl animu
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>>119480526
>whatever the fuck that even means
So chuunis don't even realize they're chuuni? Fascinating. Also...

>power level debates
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>>119480408
Nasu's origin is "games" dude
how can you lose at anything with that?
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>>119480408
>Nasu doesn't have a reality marble
Yes he does. Neverland Overdrive.
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>>119480676
Neverland Overdrive versus Dead End Catharsis, which will win?
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>>119480408
>Nasu's origin would be "Games" and his Reality Marble, Neverland Overdrive (ネバーランド・オーバードライブ), which is a world where he can play games forever without aging
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Garden of Sinners > all
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>>119480594
sadly having a job prevents me from throwing my life away on /a/ or going along with whatever the kiddies are into these days
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>>119480758
Nasu would play games forever but would always get dicked over by random elements and enemy AI.
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>>119480808
Unlimited King of Knights overrules all, it enters all worlds regardless of how inconsistent it would be with the rest of the Reality Marble.
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>>119480758
When you combine the two, you'll be here forever, playing games, but feeling unlucky and miserable.

It's the Reality Marble version of /v/
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>>119450905
Last Exile came out 3 years before that and it looks years better.
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>>119450905
Anything looks better than Deen. Even 2014 Deens looks like 2006 Deen.

See: >>119451719
>>119452213
>>119452610
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>>119480991
Didn't mean to quote
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>>119478630
>primaries
I wonder why they never refer to themselves as that.

At least those who refer to others as plebs refer to themselves as patricians.
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>>119481158
Because the point isn't to be better than people who haven't read the VN, the point is that the VN is better than the adaptations and that people should read it.

It's exactly like Jojofags telling people to wryyyyd the manga.
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