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If all of the OPs from the *monogatari series were thrown in

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If all of the OPs from the *monogatari series were thrown in a pit to fight to the death, which would come out alive?
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>>119279015
Kogarashi Sentiment
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Marshmallow Justice
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>>119279015
I haven't watched this series since 2009, why is Araragi dancing that dance?
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>>119279121
This show is so beautifully animated it hurts.
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Ren'ai Circulation and Platinum Disco would be pulled out of the carnage, from beneath the bodies of other OP's locked in a passionate french kiss.
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I've only watched Bake so far but Snails topped everything.
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>>119279015
Renai Circulation and Chocolate Insomnia would have a deathmatch.
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>>119279015
staple stable
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Renai Circulation.

Platinum Disco a close second.
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Renai Circulation,Platinum Disco and Happy bite would end up in a endless battle
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staple stable or futakotome
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>>119279015
Chocolate Insomnia or the Tsukimonogatari one, whatever it's called.
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>>119279615
Those are basically the same song.
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Mousou express.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zR7A2NT3v0
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FUCK MAAYA SAKAMOTO FUCK HER.
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Mousou Express, dat Zenbu!
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Sometimes, I encounter songs which affect me so powerfully for a few seconds that I make a face similar to this one.

Both snake OPs did this to me.
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>>119279802
for being hated on so much, she has some seriously good OP's
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>>119282480
Best girl has the best OPs
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>>119279015
I was skipping every OP's after hearing them once except Platinum Disco.
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staple stable
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>>119279802
0:19-0:38 I feel like I've heard this exact same melody somewhere else
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I've been listening to the Monogatari OPs in a playlist off and on for the past week or so.

My least favorite are Cat's, Crab's and Monkey's. Monkey's probably being the best out of that group. Staple Stable is just meh, Ambivalent World is kind of just there, and Sugar Sweet Nightmare is mediocre.

Moving onto decent songs, Kogarashi Sentiment was pretty good, but I don't particularly like the genre. I'd also put The Last Day of my Adolescence in this group.

Moving into the pretty good ones, we have pretty much everything else. Kaerimichi, though I liked it a lot, is probably at the bottom of the really good list.

The rest are kind of hard to put in order. Renai Circulation and Delusion Express have to be shipped as a pair. I think that contrast/similarity between the two is absolutely great. Another I'd pair in terms of how good they were would be Marshmallow Justice and Happy Bite. Happy Bite is probably better if only in terms of genre (that funky bass line). I want to say Platinum Disco takes the topmost slot, but to be honest, this whole top tier fluctuates for me.

I don't know where to place Orange Mint yet.

So, in general;

Meh:
Staple Stable, Ambivalent World, Sugar Sweet Nightmare [no particular order]
Decent:
Kogarashi Sentiment, The Last Day of My Adolescence [no particular order]
Best:
(Renai Circulation + Delusion Express) = (Marshmallow Justice +< Happy Bite) = (Platinum Disco) > Kaerimichi

But, you know, that's just my taste in music.
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>>119283057
Your taste in music is SHIT
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>>119283057
>staple stable
>meh
Opinion discarded
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>>119283127
That's a given.

I think I'd put Orange Mint between Kaerimichi and the other 3 groups.

>>119283232
Don't get me wrong, the voice is absolutely perfect, but the music itself is pretty mediocre. I have found it more and more enjoyable as the time passes though. I wouldn't go out of my way to listen to it, but probably wouldn't go out of my way to skip it either.
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>Kaiki OP not best
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>>119279458
holy shit lelouch fucking leave
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Delusion Express.
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>>119279458
>Snail
>Better than Renai

Nice shit taste

>>119285620
>>119283057
>>119280834
>>119279949

Mis negros
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mousou express, kogarashi sentiment, and platinum disco are the best three
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>>119279458
I always knew Lelouch was full of shit but this, FUCKING this
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>>119285778
for someone who does literally nothing but shitpost on /a/, he could at least actually watch other anime besides kill la kill.
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>>119279458

You just go out of your way to say stupid shit don't you? You get off on everyone's reactions.

God tripfags are sick.
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Orange Mint is pretty good, not good enough to crack the top tier of Renai Circulation/Platinum Disco of course.

I'd put it just below Marshmellow Justice, Mousou Express, Kogarashi Sentiment and Staple Stable.
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>>119279015
The very first ending song
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>>119279548
Ídem my nigga

But cat is superior girl
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Why is it that Maaya Sakamoto wont do an OP song? She did that OP for the shit show with the loli.
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>>119286639
1st ed singer a shit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nm5498BYTI
Best overall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ0ymYGQNa8
most adorable
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>>119279015
Where are the SWF loops?
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>>119279015
http://a.pomf.se/tucgju.webm
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>>119287496
I need to learn how to do that dance for reasons
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Staple stable forever and always.
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>>119287090
I think it's because it would be credited as Shinobu.
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>>119287286

http://a.pomf.se/grngts.html

Enjoy.
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>>119287974
I really, really, really hope this isn't the reason. I hope the voice for my waifu isn't that conceited.
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>>119288325
you know who isn't conceited?
aya hirano
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>>119288325
Sounds like the title to an upcoming light novel

"I hope the voice for my waifu isn't that conceited!"
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>>119288381
Not that anon but I am glad as fuck Aya Hirano fucked up when she did. She would have been a terrible Shinobu.
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>>119287837
What he said.
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>>119288411
Oh god it does.
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>>119279015
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17135289
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>>119288381
Aya Hirano was going to be Shinobu...? That does not fit at all. I prefer Maaya way more and this is coming from a fan who likes Hirano.
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Kizu's OP
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Your mom
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>>119288458
>>119288541
not saying she'd be a better shinobu, but aya hirano is very humble, she may be a slut but she would do anything for her fans
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>>119287251
>white lies
>best
>good

What the actual fuck batfag?
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>>119288646
Bitch is crazy, dawg.

Also I don't particularly care about her, I'm just thankful she had her scandal/freak-out moment and damaged her reputation enough to get her bumped from Monogatari.

Whether she is a humble slut is irrelevant to her voice acting ability.
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>>119288658
Batfags have shit taste.
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>>119288646
Oh, well that I get. I like that about her too.

But yeah, im glad Maaya got Shinobu. She fits the role perfectly.
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Anyone else notice this in the OP of Tsuki?

It's the carpet from The Shining.

Orange Mint was really good, but my favorites are still Renai Circulation and Platinum Disco. If we're including EDs though, the best Monogatari song period is Kimino Shiranai Monogatari (Bake- ED).
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Marshmallow Justice.
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>>119287974
I always felt like they should have just let Maaya do a song under her own name. Even one that's not explicitly made for the series. Sure, it'd break the trend of "in-character themes" but at least there would be an OP for Shinobu's arcs. That, or let Shurararagi sing the OP for those arcs.
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Marshmallow Justice because it hasn't already been beaten to death in mashups like the others. Just judging on quality it would end up being a 5 or 6 way tie.
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The fact that almost nobody loves Chocolate Insomnia as much as I do baffles me.
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>>119289501
Chocolate Insomnia is an easy second for me and while I really love Yui Horie, it just doesn't quite top Marshmallow Justice
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>>119289501
unlike snake's OPs it's not good enough to cover for the shittiness of the girl
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>>119289501
It's pretty middle of the road anon. It's the best cat OP but she has the worst OPs so it's not saying much.
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>>119289669
>she has the worst OPs
Literally the worst taste in this thread.
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>>119287837
>>119288460
My niggaz
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>>119289739
he's saying what everyone else thinks. She got the Shaft when it comes to OPs.
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>>119289739
Worst OPs for worst girl.
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>>119279802
why there is two versions?
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>>119289501
I like it, it has a nice fairy tale feeling to it. Perfect Slumbers is my favorite cat OP though. I like more somber songs.
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>>119289814
If she got the Shaft when it came to OPs then at least someone would be enjoying them
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>>119289739
>implying perfect slumbers didn't have the worst music and meh visuals and sugar sweet nightmare didn't have the worst visuals and meh music

The only shit taste is yours.
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Snake's OPs are the best, just like Snake.
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>>119279121
Right here is where the entire profit margin of Bake went, that fire in Marshmallow Justice is probably the best animation in the entire series. It has perfect weight and physics with the way it moves and follows her feet.
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>>119289958
too much grain
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>>119289898
>somber songs

perfect slumbers isn't somber anon, it's elevator music.
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>>119289476
>let Shurararagi sing the OP for those arcs.
I can't wait for this. Even fucking Kaiki sang an OP.
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It's an absolute crime that Shinobu doesn't get a song. Isn't her seiyuu a professional singer, too?

I'm a futakotome guy at any rate.
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The one where Kaiki sings, just because I like the aesthetic.
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>>119289956
That's not how it works, character quality is inversely proportional to OP quality.

OP quality snake>bird>bee>crab>snail>monkey>cat>bat(no OP)

It's not perfect(mostly because of cat) but there is a strong correlation.
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>>119290011
Maybe Kissshot will get a song
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>>119290083
No one actually ranks bee this low as a girl, right? Lower than crab and snail?
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>>119290083
>cat second
How about no?
And where is doll?
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>>119290011
It's either her personal choice or something with her record label or some such shit.

I agree that it's an absolute travesty though.
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Picking a best OP is hard. There's so much to consider:

-how good is the song
-how good is the animation
-how well the animation and song work together
-how well does the op suit the character (and how much you like the character in general)
-how well does the op suit the arc
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>>119290169
doll is a prop, not a character
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>>119290161
Crab and Snail are top tier girls.

Bee is fine, but she has such little screen time and nothing really distinctive about her that it's hard to justify ranking her highly.

To most people she's just Diet Kanbaru.
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>>119290161
I would because she doesn't really get enough screentime as well as her being slightly smarter than a brick. Ranks aren't based on looks alone anon.
>>119290169
I told you there are some inconsistencies, doll would be somewhere in the middle.
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I love Perfect Slumber so I'd say that if we're just talking about the song itself.

For OP and visuals I'd say Nadeko's Monogatari S2 OP
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Staple Stable is forever the best, it's just simple and perfect. Close second for Mousou Express. The actual best is Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari, one of the greatest EDs of all time.
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>>119279015
Even though Monkey is best girl, her OPs her pretty much the least memorable. Cat has the best OPS in my opinion. Sugar Sweet Nightmare was meh to me initially but it grew on me after I listened to it. I'm not sure why everyone hates the Kuro OP, but I aboslutely love it. My favourite is Chocolate Insomia. Best visuals and best music overall. Staple Stable is alright, Snail's OPs are 2nd to me.

While Renaissance Circulation used to be my favourite, Delusion Express is just meh. The Hitagi End song is great and Olatinum Disco is really nice. The worst would have to be Marshmallow Justice or the Hana song.
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>>119290275
It's a shame all of the EDs afterwards have been terrible.
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>>119290288
I can see people liking SSN but PS is just poor.
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Renai > Platinum > *
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>>119290322
Tsuki's wasn't bad, but not anywhere near the standard of quality that is Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari. That is the bar against which every ED should be judged.
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I really like monkey's OPs because they are peppy but have a somber streak under them until it just pulls the rug out from under you.
Just like her life.
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>>119279015
The last two remaining would be Ambivalent World and Renai Circulation.
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Karen's is definitely the best.

Hanekawa's OPs are great.

Kogarashi Sentiment is also pretty fucking good.
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>>119290208
Snake OPs get a 10/10 on all of those points.
Snake OPs are truly the best
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>>119279121
This guy gets it
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>>119290208
Like some anon mentioned earlier, the combination of Renai Circulation and Mousou Express is the ultimate OP.

Both are great songs, with fantastic visuals that represent the character and her arc very well.

Although if we're talking purely visuals, my personal favorite is Marshmellow Justice.

And if we're talking about the perfect blend of visuals, the setting, the theme and how well it fits the characters and arc, than Kogarashi Sentiment is top fucking tier. The actual song however is pretty terrible, granted it's purposefully performed poorly but still.
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>>119290288
I like Ambivalent world, it was a nice high-energy song that fits the character well. The animation was a bit dull though. Except for a few moments, though I do have to give bonus points for the part where she is literally flying through a bunch of lilies because fuck subtlety.
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>>119290510
>Hanekawa's OPs are great
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>>119290011
>>119290189
Maybe she will do the final OP of the series. I can dream.

Also: Fukatotome > Renai = Platinum Disco > Kaerimichi > Orange Mint > Marshmallow Justice > Staple Stable > Musou Express > Happy Bite > Perfect Slumbers > Fast Love > Ambivalent World > Last Day of Adolescence

Dont think I forgot any. Wish Monkey's didnt suck so much since I love her and her va.
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>there are people that actually like snail OPs
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>>119290654
>they're are actually faggots who didn't
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>>119290769
Well, I guess Happy Bite is certainly better than the first one.
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>>119290322
Naisho no Hanashi was decent on account of being written by Ryo.
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>>119290633
That's almost my exact ranking, except I consider Fukatatome and Staple Stable to be pretty much equal since to this day I think they sound far too similar.
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>>119290769
>they're are
>not there are
I fucked up
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If all of the OSTs from the *monogatari series were thrown in a pit to fight to the death, which would come out alive?
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>>119290895
Now that's a hard one. I'd probably go with Bakemono though.
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>>119290895
All of them. They're all perfect. I listen to each of them almost everyday.
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>>119290482
I want to give monkey a hug
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>>119290581
>Kanbaru dances over a field of giant lilies over to Hitagi who stands on a jagged throne and proceeds to slice her in half.

If the imagery was any more overt you'd be dead from the blunt force trauma.
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>>119290828
I like Staple, but consider Fukatotome to be superior even though my buddy flips out on me all the time since he loves Staple the most.
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>>119279141
The inside joke is that's the dance that imouto Phoenix does in her OP.
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>>119290895
Sawari Neko is my absolute favorite.
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>>119290251
>>119290261
I think what appeals to me is that she's the only character aside from nadeko that really acts like a kid. I think that's valuable in a story filled a bunch of young'ns wise behind their years.

But I could see how she could end up at the bottom of someone's list with such a colorful list of characters.
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>>119279458
>only watched bake
>doesn't think Crab is best


fuck you.
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>>119290957
But I love it anyway. The part where she cuts her in half is really well done. My biggest problem with the OP is the color pallet.
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>>119290895
Imitation would swindle all of the others and escape with all their wallets.
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>>119290895
it would be Nise if quantity weren't an issue. Although Bake isn't far behind.
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>>119279015
Snake's OP
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>>119291068
>a bunch of young'ns wise behind their years
They're not. They're standard teenagers who think that they're smart and DEEP, but Kaiki's appearance in Koi completely trashes that notion.
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How about EDs? Which one's the best?
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>>119289896
the left one is from the episode 14 and the right one is from the episode 12. 
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>>119291068
This is very true. In anime characters usually act older than they appear but this is because kids are stupid.

They have stupid goals and do stupid things to reach them. Karen was portrayed accurately that way but that just shows you how fiction and reality differ. You would think having a ~15 year old qt3.14 gf would be great but it's really not. I appreciate the way the character is written but I don't rate her highly because of it.
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>>119291052
>Gaidan Kousetsu
>Suteki Meppou
>Hyouri
>Ika, Kaisou
Beautiful.
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>>119291186
Bake's definitely. I don't think anything could beat it.
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>>119291106
I love the overt imagery as well. The color pallet is a bit odd but it fits the theme.
Colorful visuals portraying a somber and dark mood.
Peppy music with melancholic singing.
I thought it was quite well done overall.
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>>119290895
For seasons:
Bake cause its the best > Nise is very close > Second Season cause while Cat, Snake and Kaiki are great Shonobu/Mayoi was a lot of meh.

OVA/Movies:
Tsuki I keep watching it cause of the music > Neko I didnt think could be topped but Tsuki did it > Hana was good but not as good as these two
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-FKnK0volE
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>>119291350
>Tsuki
My brethren of fine taste, those ambient tracks are great. OST fucking when?
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I don't get the hate for Ambivalent World, it wasn't the best, but it was catchy and fit the theme of the arc pretty well.

Last day of my Adolescence is admittedly pretty shit though. I mean it has good visuals, but that fucking screaming in the middle of the song is just so bad.
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>>119291356
>instrumental

That's missing over half of what makes it good.
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>>119291182
Good point, wise was a poor choice of words there. I think Hachikuji was pretty mature, though, and obviously Shinobu is. Everyone else tries to act like an adult. Nadeko and Karen fail most overtly and get to play the kids.
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>>119291452
Neither Shinobu nor Hachikuji are kids though.
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>>119291427
Last Day of my Adolescence was misleading, I saw the OP before watching the show and expected yuri romance for some reason. Needless to say yet another arc of Nisio's pretentious monologues was a disappointment.
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>>119291397
I'm dying over here for it. I was so surprised at how much I liked each and every track. Its gonna be my all time listened when it comes out.

I probably listen to Snake's cd from second season the most, followed by Cat's. Then its all of Bake followed by all of Nise. And lastly Neko if I feel up to it.

I'm downloading Hana's right now cause I forgot about it. I hope that doesnt mean I wont like it since I remember it being ok when I watched it.
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>>119291496
kind of my point stated differently. Hachikuji and Shinobu are lolis in appearance but can't play those roles as characters. Something's gotta fill the void.

Fair warning, I'm probably just desperately trying to justify irrational love for imoutos.
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>Top tier
Marshmallow Justice
Platinum Disco
Delusion Express
Renai Circulation
Kogarashi Sentiment

>Mid Tier
Futakotome
Kaerimichi
Orange Mint
Perfect Slumber
Chocolate Insonia

>Low
Staple Stable
Happy Bite
The Last Day of My Adolescence
Sugar Sweet Nightmare
Ambivalent World

>Shit Tier
White Lies
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>>119291519
It had a decent amount of Yuri undertones.

I mean Kanbaru straight up said she should have kissed Numachi. She also got her titty groped.

It wasn't as in your face as Crab and Cats shower scene, but those two are straight, while Kanbaru and most likely Numachi are both pretty fucking gay.
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>>119291623
I'd switch Staple Stable with Perfect Slumbers, but otherwise flawless taste.
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>>119291649
Yeah but there wasn't any cute romance or anything like in the OP.
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>>119291623
This is scarily close to my own ranking.
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Does anyone else not like Platinum Disco at all? I'd rate it one of the weakest.
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>>119291709
>cute romance
>in monogatari

The closest we get is an emotionally withdrawn sadist preforming acts of questionable endearment to her masochistic boyfriend.
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>>119291801
How could you hate it? It has great animation and an upbeat, catchy song that fits the character perfectly.
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>>119291709
The OP told the story of a cute romance turned tragedy.

Which is fairly accurate to what actually happens in Hana, minus them actually being an item.
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>>119291716
That is called good taste anon, learn to live with it.
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>>119291801
You taste is platinum bad.
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>>119291519
If you don't like Nisio's pretentious monologues, you shouldn't have made it as far as Hana.
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>>119291801
It and Renai Circulation are almost universally considered to be one of the top 2 or 3, so you need to get better taste.
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>>119291801
I like it, but it's definitely overrated as fuck. Same with Renai Circulation really.
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>>119291814
I think the araragi family triangle is much closer.
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>>119291871
To be fair, Hana had the very worst monologue in the series.
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i'm surprised marshmellow justice gets all this much love. I thought it was often overshadowed by snake's OPs and platinum disco, which would probably be the most popular ones.
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>>119279015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-_i0Ovf9hs
GOAT
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>>119291913
That's not romance through, mostly.
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>>119291871
they do a good job of throwing in enough eyecandy to get me through without having to listen
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>>119291937
It does. It's still pretty top tier though, mostly due to the visuals.
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>>119291564
Nice, I tend to listen to Bake and Nise the most myself. Have some music I found that sounds similar to Kousaki Satoru's work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcY5czIND-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLsWXjcCdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pt14nhUiRY
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PU RA
TI NA MU
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Arguments about OP's aside, I think we can all agree this is the GOAT ED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2TJ1qqeRD8
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>>119291945
why are comments over top the video a thing
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>>119292065
Of course.
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>>119292065
It's cheating because of episode 12 though.
Disqualified.
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>>119292065
Never seen anyone disagree.
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>>119291880
I know, I like Ren'ai but I don't understand why Platinum Disco is so highly regarded. The song is alright but nothing special and the animation is dull and uninspired compared to a lot of the more artistic ones. I think it was completely overshadowed by Marshmallow Justice which also had an okay song but probably the best visuals and animation quality of any OP so far.
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this is my favorite mostly due to how well it mashes up with other stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N6IM-L7fLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoCJW3XaoVQ
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>>119292150
Because music is rated over visuals and disco is upbeat and catchy.
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>>119292014
I like the first one already, thanks. I also fell in love with Erik Satie after listening to the Disappearance ost way too much.
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>>119292073
The internet used to be fun, that's why.
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>>119292065
There can't even be any debate about that, it's one of the greatest EDs of all time. Great art, amazing song, fits the show well, and the lyrics are perfect. Nothing since has even come close.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psnKDGObSSQ
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>all of these fags rating staple stable low
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>>119292214
In terms of music though I think Futakotome is much catchier. That's why I don't get it, it has nothing special and both of the other two OPs in Nise alone overshadowed it completely I felt like.
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>>119287251
>Shinobu Time OP
Where are dem vocals? Is something wrong with my speakers?
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>>119292209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEoMI9BwHp4

I don't even blaze it, but the editing is amazing.
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>>119292317
Forever the best
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>>119292065
It won by a landslide due to episode twelve.

Speaking of which, ranking the monogatari episodes episode twelve > toothbrush > everything else.
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>>119292317
it's still an good opening, it just has so much competition.
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>>119292410
Episode 12 is the obvious winner.

2nd place would be that episode where Crab and Kaiki are talking in the diner.
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>>119292356
>shinobu signing
>ever

Kizu will come out before that happens anon.
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>>119292317
Her other OPs are better, it still is SHAFT quality, but is far outclassed by stuff from Nise/SS.
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>>119292493
Why though?
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Coming out of Bake I didn't think it was possible, but Nise blew everything the fuck out with its OPs, both in the music and the animation. Its almost not fair to everything that has to follow it.

>>119291937
It really gets me going. I feel it flow into me like a burst of energy, which is perfect for Karen.
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>>119292489
I think Tsubasa Tiger Part Five wins a spot at the top.
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>>119292493
Shinobu will never sing an OP, but Kizu will eventually come out.

Probably in 2025, but that's still before we get a Shinobu OP.
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>>119292410
Like episode 3 or something which consists almost entirely of Senjougahara and Araragi talking in a park is my favorite. The better question is arc rankings.
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>>119292559
Kizu has probably been done for a while and SHAFT is just waiting for the most opportune time to release it
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Which arc was the one with the Shinobu and Arararagi time travel shenanigans?
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>>119292369
I don't think anything can top that fundub.
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>>119292559
Why wont she sing? Why is Maaya being a bitch?
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>>119292627
Hopefully this, if it was made during the time when they were doing Bake it might still be good, since Bake is objectively the best season by a significant margin. If they did it now it would probably be bad like Nise and Hana and Tsuki to an extent.
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>>119290951
I want to give monkeys' lesfriend a hug. Numachi is just fucking adorable.
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>>119292674
Kabuki, unfortunately it's the book that was the most butchered by second season.
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>>119290895
Sanpo
Iroboke Neko
Gaiden Kousetsu (not the best to listen on repeat since it's repetitive as fuck, but the best OST that goes well with the show)
Hyouri
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>>119292065
>awkward directionless melodic lines
>tedious rock instrumentation
>grating vocals

Disagree, 5/10 amateur tier.
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>>119292065
Here, here!
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Why all the for White Lies?
I can't see why it's so "shit"
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>>119292789
Sanpo was also the most distinctive soundtrack.
it was also the track that made me raise my rating of Bakemonogatari
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>>119292627
That's silly anon. A committee would not pour money into something like that and then sit on it forever instead of getting their return.
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>>119292605
I can only do it by season.
Tsubasa Cat>Suruga Monkey>Mayoi Snail>Hitagi Crab>Nadeko Snake

Karen Bee>Tsukihi Phoenix

Hitagi End>Tsubasa Tiger>Nadeko Medusa>Shinobu Time>Mayoi Jiangshi

The three OVA's I would order Tsuki>Hana>Neko
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>>119292605
>arc rankings.
Koi is the best.

Hana or Kabuki is the worst.
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>>119292800
This is the worst thing anyone has ever said on /a/, even worse than all the times people have called my waifu a slut.
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I can't believe how fucking good this series is and I'm still only on Bake
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>>119290011
Kizu opening sung by shinobu's seiyuu

A man can dream, right?
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>>119292861
It's not terrible it's just not very good. No character sings in it and the vocals are pretty much non-existent. It would work well as part of the OST but not an OP.
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>>119292961
>still only on Bake
It'll only go downhill from here, Anon.
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>>119293013
second season was breddy gud
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>>119292988
Great, lets wish for two impossible things to happen at once.

If we think of four more I'm sure we'll get it all before breakfast.
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>>119293025
It had it's moments, and comparatively it was great after the shitshow that was Nise, but it was still nowhere near Bake except for Koi which was god-tier
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>>119293064
>shitshow that was Nise
When will this meme end?
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>>119293025
They are all pretty good but I would say Bake stand at the top.
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>>119293013
Really? I'm enjoying it for the humour mostly, so the rest of the series isn't like that?
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>>119293083
It isn't a meme, Nise was pretty bad. You might disagree but it's still legitimate and not uncommon opinion.
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>>119292904
I'm sorry anon, someone had to stand up for those of of us who like one song and don't another.
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>>119293083
>endless fan service
>boring (or less interesting) main characters
>spends half an episode about Karen riding on Araragi's back
>barely any plot
>not even half as entertaining as Bake (excluding fan service)
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>>119293129
Why was it bad? Please try to limit yourself to one or two buzzwords.
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How old can snail be? I mean, since she is a ghost she doesn't get old.
The anime doesn't say for how long Hachikuji has been haunting her Mom's house.

I want some love between snail and Shinobu.
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>>119293110
It isn't nearly as fun, it's aesthetically worse despite higher budgets and cleaner animation, and the general tone is different.
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>>119289463

Wow crazy. I didn't realize that.
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>>119293129
Nine times out of ten the only complaint I hear about Nise is that it's all fanservice. I'm convinced people only watched the episodes with Shinobu in the bath and the toothbrushing scene and ignored it introducing important characters like Kaiki and Kagenui.

I don't think it's the best Monogatari has to offer, but it's not so bad that it deserves to get singled out like it often does.
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>>119293171
Isn't she around 20? Since they stated that she died around 10 years ago. Shinobu is of course 400++ years old
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>>119292961
Araragi and Kanbaru's interaction during Nadeko's arc were God-tier. That being said, I started the series recently too, I'm on Hana.

Let's just that overall monogatari has its moments, but it isn't consistently good. Some characters do not make good/interesting protagonists at all.
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>>119293110
The rest of the series is great and well worth watching.

The tone and animation slightly change from Bake and if you loved Senjougahara sorry she gets way less screen time, other than that it's absolutely worth watching.
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>>119293299
Gotcha

Gotta say, the Koyomi vs. Kanbaru fight was fucking amazing

>>119293321
Less Senjougahara is okay, I wanna see some Shinobu
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>>119293158
>endless fan service
>bad

Starting off great I see.

>boring (or less interesting) main characters

What does that even mean? Most of the main characters are back from bake, they just add more. You mean you wanted them to cut out bee and snake entirely? They are important to the story and really their main problem is getting too little screentime not too much.

>spends half an episode about Karen riding on Araragi's back

I don't understand the complaint. Over half of Episode 12 was about Ararargi and Hitagi in a car and it was the best one.

>barely any plot

There was a lot of plot, they introduce a lot of plot relevant characters and events. It was very important and set up the second season.

>not even half as entertaining as Bake (excluding fan service)

It had great cinematography, visuals and animation. The character interaction was fun, especially snail and monkey.

People need to stop bashing it for having the toothbrush and bat bath scenes and pretending there was nothing else there.
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Who even gets the most screentime of all the girls, Shinobu? or is it Crab?
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>>119293171
She died age 10 and spent the next 10 years haunting the city.
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>>119293110

I disagree with this guy:
>>119293190

While there is some truth to what he's saying, if you are enjoying Bake you will enjoy the rest of it. I recently watched the whole thing for the first time, and then did a rewatch a few months after finishing it in anticipation of Tsuki coming out. Bakemonogatari is pretty much universally agreed to be the best season, but there wasn't a single arc I really disliked. Some are obviously better than others, but the tone, animation, and humor for the most part are at least comparable throughout. Again there are some fluctuations, but the general tone and "feel" of the series is constant. Unless you are some prude that has a real problem with the fanservice or a moralfag that can't stand any lewdness involving lolis, you will probably enjoy the whole series. Bake is still my favorite part, but on the whole it's all quite good. Definitely worth watching.
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>>119293281
>Since they stated that she died around 10 years ago
Maybe I missed this, but I'm not sure about it.
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>>119293387
Crab had a huge lead over the other girls in Bake, but she's gotten little since then.

I think it might be Shinobu at this point.

Cat also got a shitload of screen time as well, she's up there.
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>>119293387
Shinobu by far. Crab doesn't get that much.
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>>119293167
It's borderline pornographic, the aesthetics are weaker in my opinion, the characters, even the recurring characters feel much flatter. (Prime example is the brief moments of Crab at the beginning, changed from interesting complex character who likes to tease Araragi to psychopathic sadist handcuffing him to a chair and making him beg for water.) The dialogue, except with Mayoi, is less fun and bantery and more monologue-like as in the later seasons. Storylines are less engaging, which is really a minor issue in this case since the bread and butter of Bake was dialogue and art.

>>119293278
Introducing important characters doesn't give it a pass. I think the reason why it gets used as an example so much is that it was directly following Bake and a lot of people were probably disappointed.
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>>119291186
Bake's ED. It's one of my favorite EDs ever and I doubt they'll top it.
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>>119293492
>Prime example is the brief moments of Crab at the beginning, changed from interesting complex character who likes to tease Araragi to psychopathic sadist handcuffing him to a chair and making him beg for water
It's like you don't understand their characters at all if you honestly think this.
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>>119293453
>Unless you are some prude that has a real problem with the fanservice or a moralfag that can't stand any lewdness involving lolis, you will probably enjoy the whole series.
Thankfully, it's fine for me since I see that stuff all the time on /a/, but I fear that it's going to put my friends off watching it when I show them it, unfortunatly. I have a friend that is absolutely put off by fanservice stuff.
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>>119293110
Nise is for incest.
Neko kuro for back story filler.
Second season is for teen drama.
Hana is for filler and Ararararagi's character development.
Tsuki to reveal end boss.
Kizu is for us hoping it comes outnever ;_;
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>>119293387
Shinobu>Cat>Crab

It's weird that Cat gets a lot more screentime than the other characters.
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After watching Mekakucity Actors I started to appreciate Nise way more.
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>>119293387
Hanekawa

>>119293356
It was. Too bad Kizu will probably never get animated.
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>>119293493

This.
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>>119293544
I would never recommend Monogatari to people who aren't familiar with a lot of anime.
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>>119293560
I have no idea what SHAFT was even doing when they try to adapt it. It's not that hard to adapt a series of songs.
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>>119293559
Reminder that Cat had 3 fucking arcs before any other girl got 2.
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>>119293587
Maybe they're just saving up enough money to animate such a good fight scene, right? Right?

>>119293616
Well they're familiar with anime, but they just don't like fanservice. Even if it's simple stuff like boob jiggles or fun teasing (eg. Tetra from Log Horizon).
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>>119293659
>but they just don't like fanservice.
Get new friends.
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>>119293544
>but I fear that it's going to put my friends off watching it when I show them it
>friends
What's next? Telling your friends to visit /a/ for superb taste in animu?
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Who /snail/ here?
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>>119293650
For what reason? Did she need 3 arcs to conclude her story?
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>>119293492
>borderline pornographic
Okay

And you're completely wrong about the characters. Crab was always a complex and insecure character and she was gradually transition out of it during bake and nise. Snails's dialogues after were more focus because they actually had some meaning after bake. In bake they were basically just character introductions but later she actually serves the plot and Araragi's character development. If anything the storytelling was more engaging since bake had no overall story and was more free flowing. This actually was great for bake but it couldn't go on like that forever and turn into nisekoi.
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I miss Snail
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>>119293544

Monogatari may not be for him then. It's probably the series I like best (at least it is right now,) but it's not somethign I would recommend to or watch with my real life friends. The only people I discuss it with are anons on /a/. Then again I don't go around telling people that I watch anime at all. I don't hide it but I don't make a point of talking about it either.

Anyway I would not suggest watchign it with that friend. That is one thing that definitely DOES change after Bake. The fanservice gets turned up significantly, especially in Nise. That being said it's top tier fanservice, and is for the most part actually tasteful, well-done, and often plot relevant. I didn't find any of it to be a turn off, but I guess fanservice doesn't really bother me unless it is the only thing a series has going on.
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>tfw monogatari LN's are already over in Nipponland

I wish I could read moon
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>>119293681
It's my girlfriend, I want her to enjoy my tastes more. Maybe I could just make her watch Bake and get over it, she likes cute relationships so it would be worth it for the starry night scene in Episode 10.

>>119293717
I really enjoyed Snail's stuff from Bake
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Can you imagine if other studios adapt Monogatari like A-1, Kyoani or Whitefox?
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>>119293731
Nah, just to tell her that she will never win the Araragibowl.
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>>119293731
It was actually kind stupid since her first and second arcs were pretty much the same thing.

It was more to show much of an idiot Araragi is and how much shit he lets her get away with and why he needed to gtfo for the last arc.
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>>119293810
>Can you imagine if other studios adapt Monogatari
I can't
SHAFT is possibly the only studio that would ever be able to make monogatari successful
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>>119293805
Well It doesn't really get all fanservicy until snake and cat arcs so maybe she will be able to stick with it by that point.
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>>119293810
>Monogatari
>Fucken Kyo-anus
Hell no.
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>>119293805
Episode fucking 1 in Bake starts off with a panty shot.

Episode 2 has Crab naked/half naked for half the episode.

Episodes 3-5 has Araragi molesting and assaulting an elementary school girl.

It's not going to go well for you.
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>>119293681
I don't like anime with nothing but fanservice, but i'm not turned off by fanservice itself especially if done in a unique way (toothbrush porn).
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>>119293810
I can't imagine I'd like it as much. Shaft and Monogatari fit together perfectly.
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>>119293775
>and is for the most part actually tasteful, well-done, and often plot relevant

If you say so
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>>119293775
>That being said it's top tier fanservice, and is for the most part actually tasteful, well-done, and often plot relevant.
Come on man, I love this series, but that's just bullshit.
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>>119293882
Oh christ I forgot about that

I'm still going to give it a shot
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>>119293810
>Background people
>No freaky architecture
>Little to no fanservice
>Generic opening
>Butchered characters
>Overly rushed adaptation
Well /a/?
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>>119293874
Never mind. I forgot about all that stuff in >>119293882 somehow.

It's easier to just get a new GF anon.
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>>119293805

Dude if you try to get your girlfriend to watch this, you are going to get dumped for being a sick fuck.

While Monogatari is very near and dear to my heart it is not something that I would even admit to knowing about in front of a girl I was trying to date. Unless she was a more-than-casual anime watcher and had a taste for ecchi type material. If your girl hates fanservice you should never tell her you enjoyed this.
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>>119294010
Yeah if she doesn't leave you because of Snail, she'll dump you once you get to the bath scene in Nise.
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>>119293805
Get her watching more "racy" SoLs. Watch Haruhi with her. It is pretty entry level yet she will know what to expect for when she watches ~Monogatari.

Also check out Katanagatari if you haven't already. It was the first -Gatari I watched and it set the bar really fucking high.
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>>119293910
>>119293960

Yeah yeah ok hivemind. I'm sorry. You're right. It IS top tier fanservice though at least. And it's well-done.

Tasteful and plot relevant? Maybe I went too far trying to say that.
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>>119293973
It would probably be like hyouka but with more words and fanservice

I mean I liked hyouka but i don't know if they would be able to visually pull off the banter properly.
And they would probably cut most of the fanservice.

I think we would be lucky to see anything past bake.
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bakemonogatari could have more pantsu shots.
in the later episodes there are too few
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>>119294010
It's a sad world we live in where art like Bakemonogatari is unacceptable but gunning down hundreds of people with an assault rifle is summer blockbuster material. Something like Nise or even Second season at times is somewhat too far, but Bake is pretty tasteful for the most part.
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>>119294010
Yeah okay, fair point. What she'd do if she found out what I'd do to Shinobu...

>>119294078
I'll try Haruhi with her, might be to her tastes with the whole Haruhi x Kyon thing and supernatural stuff.

Anyway back on topic, what is everyone favourite arcs from the entire series?
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>>119294078

I just finished katanagatari. It was great, but nowhere near the Monogatari series in terms of lewdness or general appeal for me at least.
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>>119294087
The last thing Nise is is tasteful. If it was Bake I'd agree, but Nise was pretty lewd. Top-tier is entirely dependent on your point of view.
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>>119294087
It is tasteful though. The character being exposed is almost always consciously putting themselves into that position. It's not just MC-kun looking at naked girls while they scream b-b-baka.
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>>119294102
Hyouka was fantastic though.
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>>119293810
>Monogatari without fanservice
How is that possible?
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>>119294211
Hyouka is the most boring anime I've ever watched. I fell asleep at least once an episode before I dropped it.
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>>119294211
It was but it was slow in a different way that I think kyoani handles better. It was a really laid back SoL on the surface and I don't think monogatari would work like that.
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>>119294255
That just means you have shit taste or a short attention span. I could see why people would not like it while it was airing though, much like monogatari it's meant to be watched in full arcs at a time.
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>>119294208
Just because the girls in Monogatari aren't stock archetypes with zero character doesn't justify them being naked all the time.

Not that I'm complaining mind you, but it's blatantly obvious it's done for fanservice.

It's funny though, because most shows with fanservice seem to do it as a substitute for the fact no sex ever actually happens, but Monogatari makes it blatantly obvious that Araragi and Crab are fucking yet the fanservice never slows down.
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>>119294118

Oh I fully agree, but I mean it is what it is man. If you want to be an Ally of Justice and make it a point to campaign for change by showing monogatari clips on all your first dates then be my guest, but I'm going to continue to just leave that part of my life out of it.
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>>119291833
>The OP told the story of a cute romance turned tragedy.
I interpreted it as a "what could have been" if they had met under different circumstances, in that way.
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>>119294327
Why do you have to justify them being naked?
Why is them being naked inherently bad?

If it fits the scene and their character for them to be naked why not show them as such?
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>>119294377
You don't have to justify them being naked nor is it bad for them to be naked. I love the fanservice.

But it's not done for any artsy tastful reason, it's done for fanservice.

Fanservice, despite it's extremely negative reputation is not always a bad thing. This series is a prime example, especially considering that there is often important dialogue and humor taking place during the fanservice scenes it doesn't detract from the series a hardly at all.
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>>119294255
it's only boring if you're watching it for MUH MYSTERIES
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>>119294132
I mean just explain that fanservice is a thing, that it is analogous to shirtless men in shit like TVD etc. And that psuedo-pedophilia is a thing in Japan.

>>119294160
I know it might sound like I'm saying it was 2deep4u but the whole thing was one big allegory. An ode to failure, of sorts. I think that it Nisio's best work, but I can see why some people prefer the Monogatari series to it.
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>That rush when this plays while Araragi explains Tsukihi being a phoenix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DqfItSRn0Q
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>>119294445
I don't know. I'm just going to disagree with your definition of artsy tasteful. The fact that they are showing a naked body because it's aesthetically pleasing and not because of deep symbolism does not disqualify it as art. Art does not always have to have a deeper meaning beyond aesthetics.
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>>119294543
I've only seen through Neko and I gotta say the OST for Monogatari is amazing, and they use the songs at the best times. I'm also a sucker for they use the OP/ED melody in the series.
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>>119294543
You mean shinobu?
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>>119294445
Good fanservice: The scene in Hitagi Crab where she is walking around her house in her underwear in front of Araragi. It fits her teasing character, it's a genuinely funny scene with great dialogue, and has a good justification that actually adds an emotional impact: She has a hard time wearing clothes because they're too heavy for her and the whole teasing thing was just to cover for that fact.
Bad fanservice: In order to not pick on Nise anymore, the entire episode of Tsuki where Araragi and Tsukihi wash each other. It was unnecessary, went on for way too long, and didn't have much reason behind it other than incest fanservice. Not really very much fun or character building dialogue. The entire thing was set up as the world's most elaborate way to make Araragi look in a mirror.
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>>119294626
I loved the song they used in the tsubasa tiger letter in part five.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCtw62KRwc

Actually I loved the whole thing.
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>Bake aired in 2009
>It's now 2015

Damn. I feel old.
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Kaiki's.
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>>119294543
It feels like a more somber version of Platinum Disco, I love when they do that. Like the piano version of Kaerimichi that played in Mayoi's goodbye scene or Senjougahara Tore
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Just finished the Snake arc in Bake

I assume all her hate comes from later in the series, because she was pretty decent in this
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>>119294925
At first it was because she was the least interesting character in Bake. Compared to the others she felt like a flat moeblob. I actually like her now after Second Season, she has much more depth, and in her later arcs you're kind of supposed to hate her.
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>GOD TIER
Renai Circulation
Platinum Disco
Delusion Express

>TOP TIER
Staple Stable
Sugar Sweet Nightmare
Futakotome
Kogarashi Sentiment

>MID TIER
Kaerimichi
Perfect Slumbers
Chocolate Insomnia
Happy Bite
Orange Mint

>LOW TIER
Ambivalent World
Marshmallow Justice
Last Day of My Adolescence
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Kogarashi Sentiment and Renai Circulation
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I know the golden rule is always watch by release order, but with Monogatari and especially when Kizu inevitably comes out I feel like watching in release order is kind of shit compared to chronological
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Who's the most normal girl?
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>>119279615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7wlbcV8cA
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>>119295162
>>119295162
Cat. Which is why she's shit
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>>119294530
>the whole thing was one big allegory. An ode to failure, of sorts

Oh, I totally got that. I'm a big Jap historyfag and studied a lot of Japanese art and literature in college. It's very in keeping with their archetype of the tragic hero a la Minamoto no Yoshitsune etc.

It was really great and I enjoyed it very much. I just like the monogatari series better. Personal taste. I certainly don't mean to shit on Katanagatari, it was excellent in many many ways. In fact I can't really point to anything I strongly disliked about it. Monogatari just resonates more with me.
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>>119294160
Katanagatari was amazing but god damn that ending pisses me off.
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>>119295199
Katanagatari had much more annoying characters.

Fuck Pengin for example, I'm glad he died horribly.

Also Togame was a shit, glad best girl won.
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>>119294996
>least interesting
I honestly thought she was the best thing in bakemonogatari.
Then comes this season 2 in which they show her as a psychotic yandare with schizophrenic issues, that just made her the best grill
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>>119295164

Impressive. Love those harmonics.
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Buying Korean girls in South Korea is illegal.
So, if you want to buy them You have to go Japan or Australia.
Korean QT hooker is abound in this countries.
cream pie is $200 in Japan.
But if you dont have much money to pay that Korean QT after creampie, Japanese Yakuza shall half-kill you.
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>>119295158
>I know the golden rule is always watch by release order
There's literally no basis for this except 4chan autism

sunk cost faggots who were forced to experience it that way will always, _ALWAYS_ be bitter and mad about it if anyone even hints that there's a better order than the stupid way they were forced to watch a series.
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>>119295162
>>119295194
Cat seems normal at first, but they you realize that she's TOO perfect to be a normal person.

Snake was mostly normal until she got involved with the supernatural.

Snail, despite being wise beyond her years, is probably the most normal.
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>>119295162
Tsukihi.

If you ignore the whole immortal thing.
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>>119295523
>>119295162
Current Crab.
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Second season rankings

Koi>Hana>Otori>Kabuki>Oni>Neko
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>>119288458
nah, she was fine in Hyakumonogatari.
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>>119294087
Well, the Shinobu bath scene is one of the most important scenes in the series, but it could have functioned just fine without all pf the loli service.
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>>119294727
Funny, the bath scene in Tsuki is what finally gave me a good grasp on Tsukihi as a character- for similar reasons as the scene you touted as good fanservice.
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>>119296970
But Tsukihi has no consistent character, it's totally different every time she shows up, just like her hairstyle is constantly changing. I think that's kind of the point.
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>>119294727
I didn't even consider crab's being naked in the second episode as fan service until I read your post. All I remember is a fuck load of dialogue from a character I wasn't particularly invested in. Only reason I didn't drop during crab's arc was because I was already invested in watching. I'm a full fledged lolicon too, so the big-tit shit wasn't particularly appealing Same with that cat

I wasn't fully hooked until the end of Snail's arc. Snail's resolution to her problems was a lot more sentimental than crab getting her weight back.

Needless to say, I thought crab was THE shit character of the series for the longest time. I have to say Tsuki really gave her a turn around. I know the crabfags are the most vocal too, and will shit on me for saying so, but I'll tell you that you crabfags pretty much pulled her out of the shit-pit for me.
Now only snake and cat are down there
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>>119297120
She does have a consistent character, but you just don't have enough data to figure it out before Tsuki. It's a weird mix of childish, selfish, and temperamental but perceptive and caring when she needs to be.
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This one because of Nadeko : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zR7A2NT3v0

But this one is my favorite : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CckYk8Aw7bQ

Stunning.
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>>119297518
Although Shinobu a best, that OP was a disgrace to all things monogatari.

I don't know if you've noticed, but no one even considers it an OP.

Only song I skipped watching the entire thing.

Also, I know you're just baiting
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>>119297205
I like crab better when she is interacting with someone other than Araragi.
Kaiki, ironically, brings out the best of her.
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ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU
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>>119297629
I can agree with that. Her bits with Hanekawa and Kaiki are top-tier.
That character commentary with Crab and Cat was perfect. Especially the whole bit where they talked about ants and the ratio of people working to not working
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>The girls get an opening that reflect their character.
>Shinobu gets an ancient OP.
Fuck her singing company
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>>119297205
I loved her in Bake but I don't really like her much in anything since. Feels like a completely different character. also >implying she has big tits. She's pretty slender.
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>>119297775
Welcome to character development.
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>>119297775
Well, that was kind of the point, I now realize - that she's actively changing her character. I like her a bit more for it.

Tits still too big for me
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>>119297799
Generally character development is supposed to make a character more interesting, not less.
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She's so different now. Should I be worried?
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>>119297567
Yes this one is really different from the usual Monogatari OPs although, it's one of the reason I like White Lies.

It is really short, it has almost no animation, this one wasn't sung by the voice actress but I like that atmosphere, that style especially as it fits so well the story told during Onomonogtari.

Now that people like it or not ...
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>>119297875
No, the only people who like Old Crab are either people who struggle to accept her new hair cut or liked the kind of girl she was before went through her development and got a more agreeable personality.
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best op coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDhldkSXjf8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xjr3zXip5E
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>>119290011
I think she said that she didn't want to mix up her singing career with her seiyuu career
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>>119297830
how can you get more interesting than crab in those first few couple episodes?
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>>119297913
I'm fine with her not being as much of a bitch to her boyfriend, but she seems to have lost her talent for interesting conversation along the way.
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>>119295883
Pretty agreeable. I'd rank Neko a bit higher, maybe equal to Oni.
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>>119297913
Her new hair isn't as pretty but it's one of the better haircuts in the series so it's fine. My real problem is she just felt like a much stronger character before, didn't take shit from anyone and stood up for herself to get what she wants. Now she just feels like she's totally dependent on Araragi and does nothing other than follow him around like a dog. I miss her wit and sharp tongue, her and Araragi had some of the best interactions in the series in Bake and even though some people think she was bitchy, both of them clearly enjoyed bantering back and forth with each other. That's probably why Araragi ended up enjoying his time with Hachikuji more as far as I can tell.

>>119298064
That's not my job, I'm not the author, but I would say make the changes less dramatic and keep the core of her character the same.
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>>119298077
Not really, her conversation is fine as seen with Kaiki, it's just her general lack of screen-time combined with the fact her only other screen time in S2 was with Hanekawa which plays negatively to Senjougahara's strengths given that Senjou doesn't treat Hanekawa the way she treats Araragi/Kaiki/People she can use her force of personality against.

She's just had poor luck by basically not being a main character in a series where she's the main love interest. Unlike everyone else, she basically never really got a second arc to flesh out her personality since Kaiki conned her out of Hitagi End and she's basically no longer got any problems unlike the other girls.
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>>119279015
Monkey's last day of her adolescence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERaG8NlyNgs

and both of Snake's openings. Other than the catchy music, the lyrics are relatable.
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>>119282789
I can't stop seeing the image of Sena pointing and laughing. Its that mouth.
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>>119298185
Nah see, that's the point of her growth. She wasn't a strong girl before. She was harsh and abrasive but that's all bark and no bite.
Once her development hit, she got nicer and was able to compromise but she never lost her assertiveness. She can still be a devious bitch like tricking Karen into taking in Hanekawa just by playing to Karen's sense of justice.

She still doesn't take shit now, to be honest. If anything, she's gotten better at her job given she's the one who schooled Hanekawa which would have been unthinkable in Bakemonogatari.

Though you're right. The banter has got less and less but that can easily be attributed to less screentime for Senjougahara overall since NisiO has put more emphasis on fixing the other girls problems given that Senjougahara was on the road to recovery mentally starting Episode 2 of Bake.
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>>119298217
Well, maybe that wasn't entirely accurate. Gahara seems to have realized that she was crossing all sorts of lines when teasing Araragi earlier and stopped altogether, rather than scaling back. As far as not being the female lead, she doesn't really have anywhere to go as a character and doesn't tie as closely into Araragi's character arc as others, so it makes sense that she lost that job after Bake.
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>>119298354
>given she's the one who schooled Hanekawa
What? I thought Cat got scholarships
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>>119298437
> Gahara seems to have realized that she was crossing all sorts of lines when teasing Araragi earlier and stopped altogether,

Given she's stopped threatening him with pencils in the eyes. I think she's doing pretty good for herself. She's showing real progress to the point that when she ambushes you and sticks something in your mouth, it's Chocolate and not a stapler.

Also now that I'm actually thinking about it. Senjougahara is in a weird ass position story-wise. She's still important to the story but she's a real non-entity. She pops up once in a while to remind us that she's doing well but then she disappears just as quickly.
Like we've never even see any Kanbaru/Senjougahara conversations and I'd guess that Senjougahara is still higher on Kanbaru's list than Araragi.
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>>119298505
Not Schooled as in "Tutoring" I meant Schooled in the colloquial sense in that during Season 2, Senjougahara was basically making Hanekawa her bitch by doing the things to Hanekawa, Hanekawa does to other people.
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>>119298554
>we've never even see any Kanbaru/Senjougahara conversations
Watch the commentaries.
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>>119298620
Ya know, I've been meaning to. They're on my computer and I know NisiO wrote them but I just keep delaying it.
Though I didn't actually know Senjou and Kanbaru had one so I'll probably note that down for future reference. I know Senjou and Hanekawa have one since I think one of the future novels references it.
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>>119290151
>implying kizu will come into existence
just cry
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1. Kogarashi Sentiment
2. Renai Circulation
3. Platinum Disco

Kogarashi Sentiment is the best OP of all time. Even beating Turn A Gundam.
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>>119298354
I get that that was supposed to be the point, but I disagree. I think even though she was insecure in the first episodes she was still strong in Bake, her problem was being to prideful to ask for help and wanting to carry the weight of all her problems herself because of all the cult business making it hard for her to trust people. After Bake, even though she didn't have much screen time, from what there was it felt like everything was all about Araragi for her, never for herself. It felt like she became dependent and desperate and gave up herself to try to be more like how she thought Araragi wanted her to be and let him take the lead on everything. It just feels wrong and I don't like it, and I don't think I expressed my reasoning for that very well but I did the best I could
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>>119298798
I agree with this guy. She's just a little too dere.
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>>119298798
I think I get it. Your overall hassle is that you feel Senjougahara is too Araragi-centric and she's no longer really her own character.

Possibly? That's how I interpreted it. That your issue comes from the fact that she's all about Araragi now and not really and independent, black woman who don't need no man.

Which I can understand but Senjougahara being Araragi's strength and vice-versa has been nothing but beneficial to the both of them. Senjougahara becoming warmer, kinder and more dependent was something that she needed. She stopped closing herself off and even if it comes at a small cost of being dependent, she's still gained so much more in return.
It's not like she's hopelessly dependent. If Araragi left for a few days, she wouldn't suddenly break down.
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Delusion Express > Platinum Disco > Marshmallow Justice
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>>119287496
I love it so much
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>>119291801
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>>119287496

Now redo it with this version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dooYOXYl7U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psnKDGObSSQ
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>>119295101
Are you me?!?

>>119295162
Wanting a normal girl in *monogatari? Wrong show.
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>>119295162
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>>119299091
>>119299141
>>119298957

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17135289
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17135289
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17135289
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17135289
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17135289
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17135289
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>>119287496
>http://a.pomf.se/tucgju.webm
This is exactly what I wanted.

>>119299091
And I've been looking for this. Who is the man, by the way?
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>>119297913
I want New Crab with Old Crab hair. *sniff*
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Out of all the OPs...I have to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDhldkSXjf8

I just love it, okay?
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>>119299181
>>119295101

>not liking the hot horn section in marshmallow justice
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>>119298920
Maybe? Not really though. I mean, it's just way too far. I don't know how to explain why I don't like her post-Bake version well. Like the end of Bake was perfect, she was still herself, still with the same sharp tongue and wit but visibly happier and kinder instead of purely abusive and able to trust again. That was totally different from all this Koyokoyo shit like Tsuki. It's great that she could mellow out a bit and rely on someone and stop trying to murder Araragi with office supplies, but that doesn't necessarily mean she has to change her entire personality and lose her "spark" or whatever. She just feels like in exchange for opening up more she completely lost her fire that made her so strong and interesting in the first place, to the point where it feels like even Araragi likes some of the other girls more than her and just sticks with her out of commitment.
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>>119299220

Ikuzo Yoshi duh
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>God Tier
Renai Circulation
Marshmallow Justice
Platinum Disco
Happy Bite
Delusion Express

>Top Tier
Staple Stable
Kogarashi Sentiment
Sugar Sweet Nightmare

>Mid Tier
Ambivalent World
Kaerimichi
Orange Mint

>Low Tier
Futakotome
Perfect Slumbers
Chocolate Insomnia
Last Day of My Adolescence

>Shit Tier
White Lies
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>>119299262
You sound like Kaiki
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So who can do or is learning to platinum disco?
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>>119299141
Not linking to orchestral version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsd3c6S1Rfw
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>>119299264
Sorry.
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>>119299262
>That was totally different from all this Koyokoyo shit like Tsuki.
In her defense, she was feeling lovey-dovey and it was valentines day and the last person she made any food for would just as well eat shit and it was a four minute long scene that has garnered way too many reactions.
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>>119299345
>>119299355
Lewd imouto is lewd
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>>119299322
I'm okay with that, Kaiki is a smooth motherfucker.
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>>119299355

Please don't sexualize eggs
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>>119299235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZLyZomRfbc
Full version
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>>119299345
>orchestral disco

Whoa
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>>119299355
thumbnail makes this image look really weird.
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>>119298620
Which ones were they, again?
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>>119299282
>kogarashi not in god tier
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>>119299262
You're probably just a guy who likes a bit of Tsun in his women. That's fine. That's what attracted most of Senjougahara's fans to her.
I didn't like that Senjougahara, I thought she was a bit of a cunt but her mellowing out has made me like her.

That's for some odd reason, extremely common amongst people who like Senjougahara. The people who liked her early on, tend to like the banter-y, sharp tongue Senjougahara because that's the Senjou they grew to like.

Not to imply you can't like all Senjougaharas. Not at all.
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Still the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYkkhehAxWQ
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>>119299438
Every time.

>>119299282
>White Lies
For some reason, this wasn't included in the release of second season that I got. Seeing it for the first time, I like it a lot. Definitely not shit tier.
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>>119299443
I think they did a commentary together for Suruga Monkey. Then again for the first Nise BD, which actually got translated before Kizunever fell apart.
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Can anyone explain the whole "Puratinum" thing? I know she said that it was supposed to be like "pretty" mad but can anyone explain to me the pun here because it never sounded like she said "pretty" even if that's what the subs read.
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>>119299495
There is a fucking book with the untranslated commentaries in it that I saw at Kinokuya for around $70.
Someone that can afford it buy it and upload the scans for someone to translate.
Then the person that translates them can put them over the Nise videos.
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>tfw no Masaaki Endoh cover of Platinum Disco
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>>119299562
There is no pun. It's a dumb misunderstanding like Hachikuji's 'fouring' versus 'touring'.
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>>119299593
What's the title? I might buy it and never scan it.
Just kidding, I would.
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>>119279015
Kizu is the best OP, no questions about it.
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>>119299599
>No Marshmellow Justice by Masaaki Endoh
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>>119299465
Of course I do, the whole point is that I like the original and think her "character development" was handled terribly and butchered her character. This part is totally objective, but the new one feels dead inside, like a housewife who used to be full of energy and life and ambition but slowly lost herself taking care of her husband day after day until she no longer has any character of her own left. That or Nisio got tired of trying to write for her because it's a difficult character and just told her to fuck off.
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>>119299599
The fuck would that even sound like
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>>119299613
>fouring

every fucking time
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>>119290011

She doesn't sing, but there's a Shinobu OP on the BDs for Shinobu Time
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>>119299689
>No Kogarashi sentiment by Masaaki Endoh
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>>119299657
I forgot the fucking title!
But it's between to all the Monogatari books and Fate/Apocrypha, which is directly next to the Log Horizon LNs.
YES, I TRIED TO LEARN JAPANESE FOR FUCKSAKE!!
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>>119299706

It's not like he hasn't done odd covers before. He did a cover of Sketch Switch and Uninstall
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>>119299703
>This part is totally objective

Subjective. Unless you are so confident in your opinion that it's fact. In which case, I retract my statement.

Here's where we conflict, I think her development was actually handled well. I don't see her the way you do. I see how she's turned out to actually be well done.

Also I doubt NisiO finds Senjougahara to be a difficult character to write for. She was basically pre-built to fall into the background given she absolutely shat all over everyone by actually be able to deal with her problems in 2 episodes.
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>>119299775
>He did a cover for the one good part of the Bokurano anime
And it is glorious: http://youtu.be/9ZCwNbeGXPk
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I think Platinum Disco or Delusion Express would win but I'd cheer my throat hoarse for Happy Bite.
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>>119299759
Who would do the other half of the duet? Presumably Masaaki Endoh couldn't possibly be hot-blooded enough to sing both parts could he?!
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>>119299703
Where else was Nisio supposed to go with her? She has never been much of a catalyst for Araragi's growth and she pretty much tapped out everything she had in that regard by the end of Bake. Every character but Karen pushes Araragi forward more.
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>>119299817

When he brings his voice down to enka levels it's actually quite pretty. His Cybuster theme is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pS68Ncpc4c
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>>119299873
Her playing "imma stab you with a bunch of sharpened pencils" badass during the Karen Bee arc was pretty cool. I would have liked more of that personally.
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>>119299814
>>This part is totally objective
Well fuck, time for bed I guess. I could see why people would like her new version if they didn't like the original in the first place but I disagree with >>119298354 this interpretation of her character arc completely and feel like she's just gotten weaker and weaker as a character as time went on, and even if Nisio himself personally told me that was his intent I still would continue to disagree because death of the author and I get a totally different feeling from it. And I still think a more faithful continuation of the character with more subtle changes and less complete and total 180 of her entire personality would be much better.
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>>119299657
http://www.kinokuniya.com/us/
Best of luck in your search.
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>>119299495
You mean the second?
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>>119300019
>relying on Death of the Author assuming that it's not a case by case philosophy given some books actually have interpretations that Author is trying to get across and that putting your own meaning into the work is missing the point


Scathing aside. It wasn't a 180 of her personality though. It was like a 300. She was nice before she was Tsun and then she went back to nice.

As for the faithful thing. That doesn't make any sense either. NisiO has been completely faithful to his character, you watched her grow in steps over time. It wasn't just a sudden change between Bake and Nise where suddenly she has her Valentine's Day Dere personality going.
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Can someone give me the Kaiji for Nisemonogatari?
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>>119299401
thanks anon. I've been waiting for this
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>>119300241
偽物語
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>>119300340
>偽物語
Thank you.
I found it.

http://www.kinokuniya.com/us/index.php/fbs003?common_param=9784062179324

This book has the entire fucking untranslated commentary in it.
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>>119300294
You're welcome.
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Can we all just agree that Snake is a shit that gets some of the best OPs?
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>>119300648
We've been over this.
Yes.
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>>119300648
Sure.
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>>119300648
I like snake. I'm not saying she's best girl, but she's better than monkey that /a/ seems to love.
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>>119300750
Thing about Monkey is that she loves her waifu while Snake is only using Arararararararargi as a means to an end.
They're complete opposites.
Snake doesn't even care about the guy she says she likes.
While Monkey is outright willing to murder to keep her love pure. And you know what? Monkey Confesses to Crab at the end of her first Arc.

She's just a better character in general.
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>>119300818
She is still boring as fuck and only ever worth anything with Araragi around.
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>>119300849
>boring as fuck
HOW?
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>>119300869
hana sucked
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>>119300929
That statement is outright hilarious to those that don't care for conversations.
To that I must say: Why are you watching Monogatari if you don't like watching episodes of people just talking nonstop?
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>>119300818
I get you man. Kanbaru is definitely a purer soul than snake. I think they both act out of degrees of jealousy and frustration, but Kanbaru does so through her own volition while Nadeko is somewhat manipulated into her role. And while Nadeko does lack a pure heart with genuine love for her husbando, that's kinda what I like about her. Nisio does the whole "fake being more valuable than the real thing" often, and that's a theme that carries over to Nadeko and that's something I like.

But moreso than anything, Nedeko is kawaii as all hell. That automatically makes her better than Kanbaru (I'm not into tomboys and she couldn't even pull off twintails porperly) in my opinion.
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IIIIIIIIINNNNNNN

THHHHHHHEEEEEEEE

DAAAAAARRRKKKK

NEEEEEEESSSSSS
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>>119301028
RULES OF NATURE~
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Kaiji's opening.
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>>119301084
Spell it again.
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>>119301084

JUST LIKE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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>>119300981
Because Monogatari tends to have much better character dynamics and pacing than in Hana. Tsuki's long-ass exposition had a dialogue between Yozuru and Araragi as well as Shinobu and Yotsugi playing in the background instead of one unfamiliar character monologuing with minimal imagery.
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>>119299401
I could listen to this all night.
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>>119301170
You do realize that Hana takes place at the end of the storyline, right?
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>>119301199
That kinda makes it even worse. It's almost like they poke fun at the fact that nothing happened. Not poison, not remedy, just plain water.
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>Kanbaru is just like another little sister to Araragi

Damn Hanekawa that shit's pretty fuckin' apt
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>>119301229
>plain water
Almost like the whole scene with water was symbolic of something.
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>>119301199
I fail to see how that excuses Hana from anything. Shaft and Nisio have made info dumps entertaining before, but they didn't do what was necessary for Rouka's.
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>>119301199
>>119301229
Monogatari isn't over though. Nisio just said that Araragi's story is over when it has barely been a year since he graduated highschool.
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Snail has literally the most feelings embedded into her second OP for Araragi.
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>>119301386
I'm fucking stupid and forgot the lyrics.
Things said to be impossible might not be so.

You gave me that illusion whenever
you turned misery into happiness.
Wherever I go I feel you are watching over me.

These feelings I knew for the first time are growing today as well.
I don't want to go home yet.

This was nothing but,
the so called changing destiny.
While I got lost without getting lost,
when I was able to meet you.

You tease and embarrass me.
The innocent happiness.
I pretend to be angry
and bite my tongue.

Maybe this will go on forever.
I dream of a happy end.

These feelings I knew for the first time are growing today as well.
I don't want to go home yet.

This was nothing but,
the so called changing destiny.
While I got lost without getting lost
when I was able to meet you.

You tease and embarrass me.
The innocent happiness.
I pretend I didn't notice
and bite my tongue.

The tears of yesterday all
became a laughing face today
before tomorrow arrives.

This was nothing but,
the so called changing destiny.
While I got lost without getting lost,
when I was able to meet you.

I kid and play around with you.
The innocent happiness.
When will it become the past.
Forever and ever,
I love you.
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>>119279015
My personal favorite is and always will be Kogarashi Sentiment, and I believe it more than holds its ground against the other OPs.

I don't think the series has any flat-out "bad" OPs. Usually when people hate on one they're just projecting their hatred of the character onto the song.
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>>119301460
Wrong. I despise snake but I'll still admit that her OPs are top-tier. I don't care for Cat, but her OPs are boring as hell. I mean, the imagery from some are nice, but all of the songs are just dull.
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>>119300128
I think a lot of people only saw the anime so her personality change is jarring and scary. SHAFT did not do a good job showing it and only did a pretty good job with it in regards to Shinobu.
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>>119301460

Snake is shit, but Renai is incredible.

I'd say Sugar Sweet Nightmare is my least favorite.
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>>119301516
I like Perfect Slumbers.
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>>119301460
I like staple stable the most because Hitagi Crab is my favorite arc, but I don't really think my rating otherwise is determined by opinion of the character. I mean I don't like Karen at all but I still think Marshmallow Justice has the best visuals of any of the OPs.
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>>119301547
Outside of Monkey's first one, it's one of the worst to me. Nothing stands out to md about it. Chocolate Insomnia is my favorite Cat OP.
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>>119301547
I like the animation, but the music is flat and uninteresting. All of Hanakawa's OPs are plagued by the fact that her VA just doesn't have good tone or much range.
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>>119300041
>>119299767
According to the Kinokuniya website, everything related to Nise is out of stock, but I'll see if I can't swing by the NY store on a free day.
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Why did Nisio give Hanekawa three arcs?
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>>119301775
Because she's sooooooo interesting.
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