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So it's basically a war between Gaen and Ougi which in Araragi

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So it's basically a war between Gaen and Ougi which in Araragi (or more like Shinobu) is an important chess piece?
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>>119205985
Read the LNs to find out.
>B-but I can't read moon!
Weak excuse and you know it.
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>>119205985
Ougi is the black man
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So why was the puppet master glowing?
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>>119206591
Oh shut the fuck up.
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>knowing any of the story in monogatari
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>>119207844
I just watch for the spectacle and impenetrable dialogues in which the current MC puts forward their viewpoint that is completely and utterly wrong, then turn out to be smugly proven right.
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>>119205985

Araragi is the midfielder that may or may not turn in the opposite direction and score an own goal.
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>>119209408
Don't acknowledge the troll, anon.
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Anyone else get the impression that the whole event was set up to force him to become a vampire?
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>>119211387
Did you actually pay attention to what was going on ? The intent was to damage Araragi and Yotsugi's relationship, by making her kill someone, something that a savior-complex teenager like araragi can't deal with. It would have worked if it wasn't for Gaen who ordered Yotsugi to spend some time with him.

It's as >>119209408 says, the show puts its smetaphysical dick on Araragi's forehead since Nadeko Medusa.
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Ougi: "ney Araragi, you're becoming a mature person by learning from all these mistakes"
Araragi: "I'd rather become a mature person without everything going to shit"
Yotsugi: "Looks like Ougi is manipulating everything to make you a mature adult"
Teori: "Nigga I been played, kill me already bitch I am done with this shit"
Araragi: "Oh no"
Yotsugi: "I'm a monster who kills people, don't become like meeeeeeeee! I said with a posed look"


-several hot crab dickings later-

Araragi: "HOLY SHIT, what are up with these fucking dolls"
Yotsugi: "Looks like we played right into that long sleeve bitches plans, but we OG Original Gaen. Unlimited Pimp Hand nigga and I got an itch to slap a bitch"

To Be Continued
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>>119211806
>but we OG Original Gaen. Unlimited Pimp Hand nigga and I got an itch to slap a bitch
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>>119211806
>"nigga i been played"

Nigga's been played into realizing he'd been played and letting the doll kill him, like, double played. And he liked it. Ougi be like Gendo level of manipulation
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so do Ougi and Gaen have powers that let them see into the future or do they have some kind of meta knowledge that they're characters in a story?
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>>119212130
Gaen is heavily implied to be able to at least read minds or see the future. By her own words it was "Clairvoyance" so take that as you will.

If you wanted the meta-stuff about stories then Medaka Box already approached the whole Reader/Author thing with Freshmaker and Ajimu Najimi
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Araragi is the black pupils girl.
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>>119205985
Fucking ougi. Trying to break the relationship of the girls away from araragi one by one.
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>>119212130
I havent read the LNs but it seems obvious that Ougi is the somewhat divine force known as the darkness that keeps the oddities in balance.
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>>119211806

Several events later

Ougi is a dude.
Episode is doing his thing somewhere.
Kizu never.
Shinobu keyrings take Japan by storm.
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>>119212130
Ougi has some sort of ability to play with people's perception of reality. She makes changes in the world around her (like swapping genders) and patiently waits for the rest of the world to calmly accept the new reality and forget that anything else was ever the case.

Gaen knows everything. It's played for a joke that she's omniscient, but it's more like a narrative-convenient meta-knowledge.
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Is Ougi actually Meme?
>Ougi intentionally takes Meme's last name and claims to be related to him
>knows things Meme knew, like his banter with Koyomi
>espouses the same ideologies about order and balance
>Appeared shortly after Meme disappeared without a trace, never to appear again in the series
> Kagenui revealed this episode that it's common for specialists to eventually become oddities themselves

Is Ougi an oddity born from Meme himself?
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>>119212786

>>119212344
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>>119212537
>>119212471
>>119212278

that makes more sense. although I do like the idea of adversaries going at each other with the rules of narrative instead of the rules of combat.
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>>119212786

Meme is more a concierge between the the human side & the oddity side.
Ougi seems to act as the border itself in order to sort out in order to sort things out into their 'proper' state.

Using the Oshino is probably apt enough; whether it stops at that or if Ougi is Meme's agent/dark side/etc is another matter.
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>>119212965
That rules of narrative thing was literally the Freshmaker vs Anshin'in fight. If it was just the rules of combat, Anshin'in cannot lose. The entire fight was meta
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I understood pretty much nothing from this arc
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>>119212537
I'm pretty sure Ougi didn't switch genders so much as switch from being Araragi's darkness to being Kanbaru's darkness.

Why they're opposite gender is a different debate.
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>>119212965
Their dynamic is already pretty interestign when you think about it. Somebody who ostensibly knows everything that is possible to know within the boundaries of human perception locked in a chess match with an unknowable thing that has the power to freely alter perceptions of reality.

Gaen is aware of Ougi's existence in an abstract sort of way, but can't observe or know anything directly because that's perception is the domain of Ougi.
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>>119213004
Why are you guys theorizing incorrectly about spoilers we've had for months?
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>>119213472
Yeah, especially when the real Ougi identity has already been posted in the thread.
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>>119212344
sounds like bull, how's shinobu not in the know then?
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>>119213674
I refuse to accept reality
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>>119214157
It's an oddity born from Araragi's subconscious desires and self loathing. Which is why Ougi knows everything he knows, knows everything he noticed but ignored, does everything he wishes he could do if not for his idealism, and is not actually the darkness that Shinobu saw but rather is pretending to be it.

Shinobu wouldn't know about anything besides what the real Araragi is thinking about.
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Ougi is just the world's biggest Araragi/Shinobu shipper and she is trying to make sure it stays that way. She wants to ruin his relationship with all of the other girls and make him a vampire so he is stuck with Shinobu forever.
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>>119214332
>does everything he wishes he could do if not for his idealism
More like the opposite: the things his idealism says might be right, but that he doesn't want to do
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so he CAN'T use his vampire powers anymore except healing or else he'll go full kizu vamp mode? so basically nothing changes because all he ever did was abuse his healing powers and let people beat him to death over and over again anyways.
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>>119214692
No it's definitely things his logic thinks might be for the greater good but his unrealistic ideals and sense of morality and justice won't allow him to do.
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why does he not want to be an immortal vampire?
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>>119214752
You've got the wrong idea about how Araragi thinks. He thinks justice and morality is on the side of what's logically for the greater good. So he sees things like saving Kiss-Shot as being selfish weakness and doing what he wants.
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>>119214827
Because he would have to kill and eat people to live.
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Has anyone else found Hanamonogatari and Tsukihimonogatari to be extremely anti-climatic?
I know what I'm about to describe will describe every Monogatari release, but the last two releases especially have just been a whole lot of talking about how epic the final battle will be and then the final battle happens in the last twenty minutes and it's just more talking and then something happens that stops there from being an epic final battle.
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Except Ougi is a shit and Gaen isn't even the one that "offs" him.
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>>119214827
Read Kizu
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>>119214827
So he can die of old age and then abscond his responsibility when Shinobu inevitably reverts to her cunt self.
>She was fine when I left her who cares if she wiped out the world 50 years later
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>>119215066
No you're just conflating personal justice with virtuous justice.
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>>119214332
This post is so wrong. Like what the fuck?
Oshino's method for defeating Ougi wouldn't work on him if it wasn't the darkness. There would be no contradiction.
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>>119215238
You said yourself, every monogatari "final battle" is just talking the enemy into an anticlimax, in this case he let himself being killed, normally they just left
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>>119212505
that file name I think I bit my tongue
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>>119215582
Fuck man, maybe I'm just getting bored of Monogatari, or at the very least, not enjoying it as much as I used to.
It's just starting to feel like every plot arc is following the same pre-set pattern.
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>>119212505
What language is that filename supposed to be?
It feels like writing something like should not be so convoluted.
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>>119215430
Araragi doesn't age anymore unless Shinobu dies.
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>>119215688
i think it some sort of computer code that writes out Araragi
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Is Kaiki still alive or is he a ghost?
Did he manage to deceive death at least?
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>>119215718
Or if Araragi dies and then gets better
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>>119215066

Saving Kiss-Shot was the "no-one's happy end" from Kizu. Shinobu was suicidal before she met him, and again after he died in the alt timeline. Sustaining her as a shadow of her former self is basically dragging her along as part of his own self satisfaction (unless you count their present interactions as salvation, which is all filled with uncertainty in how long it will last for).
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>>119215740
He is alive, but now has fake teeth
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>>119215782
>unless you count their present interactions as salvation
Araragi and Shinobu count their present interactions as salvation. Shinobu is happier with Araragi than she has ever been in her entire life, and Araragi can barely imagine living without Shinobu at his side.
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>>119215737
You don't say.
I was asking what programming language it was.
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>>119215718
He ages because his powerlevel is so low.
That's the point. Otherwise he needs to eat people/aberrations.
Otherwise he wouldn't grow at all.
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>>119216117
looks like C#
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>>119205985
This seems like a safe place

I dropped acid and watched evangelion /a/

Shit is seriously tumbling now

Wat do
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>>119216221
Just remember that you will always be alone
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>>119216221
I hate to bombard a but i really really badly need some calming music


Why did I watch it a

Fuck all of you

I love you guys I'm sorry
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>>119216117

It's just some js with a little array abuse to dynamically generate a random number of 'ra's on a single line.
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>>119216221
Don't watch Evangelion. It's the most overrated series of all time.
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>>119216280
Here:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cz1o1_tsukimonogatari-op_news
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>>119216280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sIA3jg42Lg
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>>119216599
I'd almost forgotten how amazing this song was.

I miss star driver sundays
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>>119216599
>posting the 2nd best
I'll help an anon out for once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRtcK0GKH84
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>>119215502
If Ougi was actually the darkness the darkness wouldn't have been trying to get rid of Ougi for breaking the rules. Oshino saved Ougi by corroborating the aspect of Ougi that she was his niece. Thus, instead of being some meta shit that jumped out of Araragi's vampire head, Ougi the fake ceased to be and Ougi the niece became a reality.
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>>119216842
>wouldn't have been trying to get rid of Ougi for breaking the rules
I dunno. He's still it to me. The whole point of his character was some sort of nonsense compartmentalization was going on not just ye olde standard aberration again.
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>>119209408
>Watching Monogatari
>Not just gleaning information about the best girls from threads on /a/ and fapping to the gifs/webms
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>>119217483
The Darkness wanted Ougi because it claimed to be Meme's niece, but Gaen reveled that Ougi was Araragi and confronting her about this led the Darkness to them. Meme accepting Ougi as his niece was enough for the Darkness to not give a fuck.
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>>119218040
I think Gaen is full of shit and that Ougi's interest in him/bat is to determine if they're "cheating".
But I get that's more speculative.
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>>119218178
Araragi wasn't even bonded to Shinobu when he confronted Ougi.
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>>119218281
Yeah but his arrival corresponds with a time they still were.
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>>119218336
Araragi wasn't even bonded to Shinobu when the Darkness un-made Araragi's arm.
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>>119218178
Ougi had no interest in Shinobu at all. Ougi's interest was doing the shit Araragi refused to, like informing Tsukihi she was a monster, sending Hachikuji back to hell, and most importantly telling Araragi why he's a pussy bitch.
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>>119215238
>Tsukihimonogatari
After that first episode, damn right it's Tsukihimonogatari
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>>119211806
>Unlimited Pimp Hand
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>>119214332
Does /a/ have spoiler tags? Yes, inb4 READ THE LNs
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>>119218697
Don't forget to fulfill your civil duties.
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>>119218545
>like informing Tsukihi she was a monster
Fuck, really?
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>>119212372
Wait, is she yandere?
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>>119218697
>>119218754
Good thing LN discussions aren't anime related ;^)
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>>119215238
>Hanamonogatari
I don't know about you, but I took the chance to rewatch this other day, and it really stands on its own as a great ova (Sure its better when you actually know Kaiki's history).

Anti-climatic, maybe, but its really just a simple problem-climax-solution story.
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>>119218797
What's it called when you love somebody because you think they're wretched but you can fix them?

Besides marriage from a woman's perspective I mean.
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>>119218697
The first person revealing Ougi's identity did use a spoiler tag, you should have leave the thread when everyone started asking for spoilers after that.
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>>119218900
lel, too real
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>>119207373
No he's not, he only thinks he is.
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>>119214701
He can't heal that much so quickly anymore. He will, then Gaen will kill him.
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>>119219904
>>119207373
Mom!
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I didn't watch Hanamonogatari.

I feel like continuing the series now, after wherever the Nadeko arc left off. Do I watch Tsukimonogatari now? Is Hanamonogatari skippable?
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>>119220490
just watch it all faggot.
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>>119220521
I don't like Kanbaru. Can I just skip it?
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>>119220490
> Is Hanamonogatari skippable?
It is. It is treated as an epilogue to the series which is why Araragi has such long hair and a car.

It took lots of anons days to finish it because they kept falling asleep. Just save it for the end of the series if you really want to see it.
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>>119220490
Chronologically yes, because in Hana Muraragi is already in college, when in Tsuki still not. Also Hana is focused only monkey and Araragi appears only in the end.
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>>119220550
>I don't like Kanbaru
Reported.
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>>119220601
Epilogue? To what? The entire series? No way. Doesn't that just kill the series then, because now we know nothing crazy happens in the end? What the fuck. This isn't a fucking slice of life; I thought this had a driven plot.
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>>119220550
you will like it. its okay anon just let the kanbaru wash over you.

also reported.
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>>119220611
>>119220701
Isn't saying you reported someone bannable, even if you're joking? I've gotten banned for it, anons.
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>>119220684
Well, there is a new monogatari book coming out, tsugimonogatari if I recall correclty, and I am not sure if it is at all related to that. But yes, it is an epilogue to the monogatari series.

Hana really doesn't explain much of what happened to everyone though. It just kind of wraps up Kanbaru's half-finished devil arm problem. Its kind of like an extra for monkey.
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>>119220745
Maybe you shouldn't be so beta, then.

I didn't literally report you, dude. Jesus.
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>>119220745
They won't ban you unless you also sage and call the cops.
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>>119220849
I didn't literally report anyone when I got banned for three days.
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>>119220830
So does Shinobu still exist or what? Is Araragi still not a normal human?
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>>119220830
Hana is kind of a shitty epilogue because it is set barely a year after Araragi graduated highschool.

I wouldn't even really consider it a significant timeskip
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So, besides shinobu, who wins araragi bowl? Crab or Cat?
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Can kiss shot and a fully vampirized araragi kill gaen? Would they make for good specialists if all they ate were aberrations?
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>>119221262
A fully-powered Kiss-shot can kill anyone in Monogatari except for Brotha Darkness.
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>>119221352
Why do they all talk so much shit to her, then? I almost feel bad for her because of her current state.
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>>119221486
Becuase they want to feel like hot shit for shit-talking a depowered vampire.
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How can she be so cute?
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>>119221486
Depends on who you're specifically talking about. Yozuru would talk shit to a 100% Kiss-shot as well. Yozuru is the master of not giving a fuck. Gaen would talk down to Shinobu because Gaen is just a general bitch with an Ego that rivals Shinobu's and justifiably so.
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>>119221652
Shinobu a cute
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>>119221776
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>>119220942
Shinobu is still alive because Kanbaru asks her to eat the devil arm at the end. Since Shinobu is alive, she still has that bond with Araragi.

>>119221006
>shitty epilogue
Agreed. There really was no closure for anyone. It just kind of wrapped up kanbaru.
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>>119221893
>Agreed. There really was no closure for anyone. It just kind of wrapped up kanbaru.
That's just because the author kept trying to "end" the series, but failing. Every time he wrote a conclusion, he changed his mind a few months later and wrote another book. That's why he is going to write another book set in the same universe despite the end of Araragi's story.
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>>119221776
If Shinobu showed that cuteness to the world, it would be a shinodebut
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>>119220942
If Shinobu didn't exist, Araragi wouldn't be driving an ugly Yellow Beatle, right now.
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>>119222013
That was bad.
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>>119215871

Why?
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I still don't see what's so bad about becoming 100% vampire. I'm sure he could live off of eating aberrations, instead of people. I'm also pretty sure shinobu would keep him from doing anything he'd really regret later anyway.
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>>119222298
Because he got the shit punched out of him? Are you not watching the fucking show?
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>>119222337
I'd say he enjoys being able to go out in the sunlight if nothing else.
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>>119214827
Because he would kill everyone he loves.
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>>119222337
He doesn't want to become a vampire. End of story. Just because you're willing to be awesome at the cost of other people and live with Kiss-shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade at your side for the rest of your life, doesn't mean he wants it.

I mean, it is his loss and he's wasting an opportunity but I mean, it's still his decision.
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>>119222391
Why doesn't he just become the God of the shrine afterwards, then? It was his fuck up in the first place.
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>>119222412
He does want to be with her forever, though.
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>>119222446
You know what, I'm going to go ask him that now.
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>>119222498
Thanks, anon. Tell me what happens
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>>119222487
Araragi? If he had the choice he'd probably want to be with his entire family forever if they all wanted to be immortal.

Also he's not going to choose Shinobu > Everyone he knows and loves
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>>119222381

No, why is he alive?
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>>119220684
There's a book called John Dies At The End.

Watching only for those kind of stakes is a superficial way to enjoy anything.

Monogatari's still worth it for the porn anyway.
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>>119222589
They'll all eventually die though, except for tsukihi I guess. He's got a super long lifespan, doesn't he?
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Guise, hear me out. This might sound crazy but i have a theory that shes not actually Oshinos niece and she did something bad to him since no one can find him.

>>119222702
Yeah, a couple 100 years. Although it might be forever if he uses his power like twice more.
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>>119222742
Maybe the actual conclusion in some decades down the road will have him being forced to decide to become a vampire, or see someone he cares about die
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>>119222742
I thought it was like 500ish
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>>119222702
Tsukihi has a normal lifespan, she'll die at the same time as everyone else. She's battleproof, not ageless.

His lifespan is also an ambiguous thing. Shinobu herself wasn't sure if it's going to be extended but during their bathtub reconciliation she did entertain the idea and give him fair warning that he might outlive everyone he's ever loved and he needs to prepare himself for that since he's not prepared to kill her to restore himself to normal.
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>>119222702
Touhou is another immortal.
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>>119222872
I think it was 400 something.
>>119222833
Either that or them being converted to Vamps them selves.
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>>119222903
Considering Shinobu is the pinnacle of vampires and is a vampire above vampires, the lifespan is hardly ambiguous.

Even in her weakened form, I'd still say Shinobu is stronger than 90% of current vampires,
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>>119222956
We're talking about araragi, not shinobu's lifespan
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>>119222956
Araragi's lifespan. Shinobu's is going to be the same.

Also I disagree. I think people overestimate Shinobu's strength in loli form. Her usefulness comes from the energy drain. She's still weaksauce as fuck.

Like if it was Shinobu vs Yozuru using one hand. I would probably back Yozuru.

Teen Shinobu is a different story but Shinobu isn't always going to have prep time to transform like for example, Yozuru let her have.
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>>119222872
>I thought it was like 500ish
>>119222938
>I think it was 400 something.
In Monogatari, no vampire had ever died of old age. So it is fair to say they have indeterminate lfespan. And it seems Araragi has accepted that.
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Amongst the cast of monogatari, who would you choose to accompany you through immortality? You can only pick 3.
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>>119223214
Shinobu, Mayoi, Kanbaru.

Two lolis I can molest and a sexy lesbian kohai to help me molest them.
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>>119223214
Shit. Umm...Well, in theory everyone should pick Oshino because he's the coolest motherfucker. Probably Kanbaru as well because she too is a cool motherfucker.
If I was able to tame it, Kako. Otherwise just something generic like Araragi or Karen
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>>119222275
>>119221652
>>119221833
>Shinobu trying to act tough and imperious to get back at Kagenui
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