Which is a shame.
Do they just not want to play favorites?
It's like a sequel to Fate or HF would be that interesting, I doubt fans of those routes would care if UBW got a semi sequel thing.
Rin and Waver and probably Shirou go and dismantle it.
Nasu mentioned it but that's it.
It would be a perfect thing for UFO to adapt after HF, before going into other shit like Apo.
Both. I think the novel isn't out yet though. Can't wait for F/SF scans though, I love some of the master/servant combinations there.
>But I don't really want him anywhere near Shirou and Rin.
I agree with that.
Maybe get Higashide to write it.
He's now finished with Apoc
>I don't really want him anywhere near Shirou and Rin
If he isn't full edge he can write pretty decent stuff, and with him is guaranteed Rin isn't going to come off as a violent tsundere.
>Do they just not want to play favorites?
Probably. The three actually had a lot of potential to a sequel tough, but I think Nasu wants to have at least their story as finished.
Shirou's probably not involved. The original text only mentions Rin and Waver. If Nasu meant for Shirou to get involved, he would have said so. After all, there's no point in mentioning just Rin and not mentioning the actual hero of the story.
If Nasu didn't mention Shirou, then he likely didn't tag along.
Kinda reminds me of Black Death but in white.
I wish we'd see more of Šamḫat.
When will we get the 3rd grail war with the Nazis in it? At least last I heard it was the 3rd, correct me if I'm wrong. I will be hyped if nasu makes a new vn about it. When hitler wanted the holy grail. Also I'm serious if you don't know, it's canon. Nasu needs to make a new fucking long vn though based on the tuskhime and fate setting and tie up and build upon some of the back story canon, like the mage school , the old man , more of the crazy apostles Still around and the moon and crazy earth thing killing humans. So much he could fucking be writing about.
It would be terrible if Shirou tagged along in UBW.
The guy has a Reality Marble. He can recreate Noble Phantasms. Having him come along is pretty much a guarantee that he'll get a Sealing Designation.
Are you kidding me there is far too much lore and fucking nothing to back it all. We could be actually reading amazing shit but nasu has been rehashing fate all these years when he could be continuing the actual story and lore around the world. If you think about it he really has done nothing for all his success, he should be making or actually l working on another big vn, not a small one like the last. All he did was tuskhime and fate when he really has a lot more to do based on what the universe,setting, and characters. I would say the tuskhime side has a shit ton of lore he should be writing about. It's a waste. Since both vns take place in the same universe , all he has to do is combine the characters. I mean in the lore the fucking earth is about to kill the Hunan race.
Are we still waiting for a true sequel or Fate/Apolyptica is sort of the real deal
I read a fanfic sequel called The Burning Crusade and it was fuckin spot on as a true sequel
What are you gopnna do if he decides to write that shit dispite having no interest in doing so and it ends up sucking mayor dick while vforvever ruining the entire universe?
if the man wants to sit on his ass for 8 years and do nothing then let him do it.
just look at the starwars prequels.
That's literally all he's good for though. He's not gonna be beating any enemy Magus without his projections. Unless he's gonna be a solo operative who's constantly working alone or just with Rin, it'd be extremely hard for him to fight. Also, he'd need to kill every single enemy he fights just so they can't reveal his secret to anyone.
Most likely, Rin will forbid Shirou to come and go to Fuyuki alone. Depending on how long the battle lasts, Shirou might not even get a chance to get involved should he choose to sneak back on a separate flight.
Yeah, but it is better to move into other stuff.
Just telling everything about the Fuyuki Grail Wars only would end with people dissapointed because it wasn't how they thought it was going to be.
That is basic storytelling.
I am German and I like it.
I enjoy the other Grail Wars as well though so I don't really care what Nasu does next. Some LN or something about the old Wars would be awesome nonetheless.
Relax there, even if he projects NPs no one will fucking know they will all think they are projections.
>Shirou might not even get a chance to get involved should he choose to sneak back on a separate flight.
>even if he projects NPs no one will fucking know they will all think they are projections.
Are you kidding? Even a third-rate Magus will understand just how fucked up Shirou's Gradation Air is from nothing more than a glance. Just because a fifth-rate like Shirou can't understand how special what he does is doesn't mean a bunch of elites personally trained by Lord El-Melloi II won't be able to figure it out.
Rin wouldn't let Shirou come. Thus, he'd have to fly back to Fuyuki on his own, in a separate plane.
What I mean it would be great and really interesting. >>119035475 he's not gonna move on when he can't even finnsh his two main series. He needs to do more with it. All we know about the world and all the fucked things in it is based on lore, we need actual vns on it now. We need bigger world building because I would be mad if he never dies anything with it, it's far to interesting to not and let it all rot. I want to know more about that old man and the crazy earth monster.
What are you basing all this on? Even in the VN it took Tohsaka a while to figure out how crazy his magic is even after he had projected the swords, and most Magi haven't seen NPs either. His projections aren't a big deal his RM is, plus he still has strengthening magic and Tohsaka likes his opinions on things.
Taking a separate flight a day or two later isn't going to delay him for the entirety of the thing.
It did not take Tohsaka "a while". Tohsaka realized how ridiculous Shirou's projections were from the moment she saw them. She knew instantly how fucked up they were. It's literally impossible for any other Magus to recreate Noble Phantasms with Gradation Air. Any half-assed Magus could tell that Shirou's shit is fucked up.
>Taking a separate flight a day or two later isn't going to delay him for the entirety of the thing.
That depends on how long the battle lasts. For all you know, the bloodbath might not last more than two or three nights.
Is is fha worth reading? It took 10 years to translate But is the translation at least decent after all this? How the actual story? Any lore built up in it? Does it continue off from heavens feel where sakura and shirou are together ?
Oh boy, El Melon 2 adventures: Mercury Meido edition.
It's a fandisc with an okay plot. It's not very long.
FUND THIS MAN
FUND HIS IDEA
She knew they were strange but that is if he literally projects right in front of the other Magi. Projecting and keeping his sword around so no one sees him doing it isn't going to land him a sealing designation.
>Shirou go and dismantle it.
To end this discussion, the only way Shirou would be involved would be behind the scenes. He wouldn't be working with Waver/Rin closely, he'd be there to clean up and make sure no innocent lives get caught lost in the midst. Like Batman.
You need to remember that it takes place 10 years after. At that point he would already have started his hero of justice escapades. Chances are he would hear about something going down in Fuyuki, and would show up unannounced. That's basically the only way he'd have a role in the conflict.
Does it at least build upon the characters and world? Can you get with any girl you choose like mage Waifu elf? Any thing with her more in it? Is there sex with all of them or more romance? I would like to know if the translation is good though.
>she has barely any money to her name
Word of God:
"The Tohsaka family is still relatively wealthy because it receives royalties from magical patents (theories and rituals used at the Clock Tower. Like real-life patents.), and as a result their income is surprisingly high. Even without any additional revenue, annual income is roughly #0,000,000 yen. ...Although, Rin feels a bit ashamed of this since it’s all thanks to the work of previous generations. "
It builds on Caster, Lancer, Rider, and Kuzuki primarily along with three new characters. As far as expanding the Nasuverse, I don't think it does much in that aspect. All the main heroines and Rider have sex scenes.
The translation is better than FSN's.
>But he never had breasts.
He's so huggable
>Does it at least build upon the characters and world?
Yes, it builds on characters that didn't get a lot of development/backstory in F/SN like Rider, Caster, and Avenger
>Can you get with any girl you choose like mage Waifu elf?
You can't fuck her but there are lots of scenes with her
>Tohsaka's careful management of the ley lines, meant that taxing them like this was his natural right. Truly, it was a 20th century feudal system made possible through sorcery.
>Although, even among the Second Owners of other lands, very few have ever seen monetary returns like those made by the Tohsaka.
>After Tokiomi's death, these assets were passed on to Aoi, and after Aoi's death they were passed on once more to Rin. Or at least, they should have been, but thanks to her legal guardian Kirei's naïve honesty and crude management, most of the valuable property was lost to other people. Then again, as a priest who values honest poverty, he probably thought it would be good for her from an educational standpoint. Just another thing for Rin to wallop him for, I guess.
Yes she still has some money, but the point is she's poor when compared to Luvia. She isn't able to use the gems all willynilly like Luvia can.
TM released three (four?) new products at C87. The last volume of Apocrypha, The first volume of the waver spin off(the OP), and the first volume of the strange fake manga. I think they also released another volume of Fire Girls but I'm not sure if I remember seeing that on their website or not.
>but the point is she's poor when compared to Luvia.
According to Nasu that's cosmic justice for being too good.
>Though magecraft may seem almighty, it is basically the bringing about of mysteries by means of equivalent exchange.
>Even the exceptionally talented Rin, in exchange for her versatile sorcery trait, will find herself afflicted by a chronic lack of money her entire life.
>Also, sorceries that affect other people's minds and change the course of their thoughts require no physical compensation, but the practitioner will inevitably find their own thoughts being pulled in that altered direction as well. As the saying goes, before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.
He has penalty of fucking lore and unanswered questions in his universe that still need to be written about. He should make one final super large vn with all the characters meeting each other in London with them all being older. Shirou and sakura would be married. So would shiki and arc. Girl shiki would meet up too with both the mage sisters meeting. (im loosing my memory but the older and younger sisters with red hair in both girl shikis and make shiki stories and the main character of the new vn)
You seem to forget powerful gems need years worth of prana put into them for them to work as single use Mystic Codes. Money only matters for crappy gems, but the amount of strong ones available is very limited for both Luvia and Rin alike.
Nasu is never going to acknowledge any one route as absolute canon. You seriously think he's gonna write a story where Shirou and Sakura are married? Don't be ridiculous.
And the idea of Shiki living that long is laughable.
It's Šamḫat, Enkidu is the monster and the guy above the last panel.
>She does after HF.
Which is irrelevant, since it's only one possibility out of many. And it's not like she got the Gem Sword from her own skill, without Illya + Shirou she could have never gotten it.
Learn to read
Q: Why did Zelretch give the design of the Jewel Sword to Tohsaka Nagato, who had the least potential amongst his pupils?
A: This student Zelretch took during his journey was mediocre, cold, and bipolar. Even Zelretch exclaimed "Hey, are you crazy or something?" However, Nagato was a good man who is "willing to sacrifice himself for a better future". Although the Einzberns and Makiris were brilliant, they were fundamentally evil. Nagato was mediocre but good at heart.
Zelretch concluded that "this House will probably never accomplish anything great, but at least they will never stray from the righteous path". He then gave the design to Nagato and told him "alright, it will be a struggle, but work towards this goal".
Where there is a will, there is a way. The Tohsaka lineage stubbornly followed the teachings of the great master, and finally, after the gentlemanly Tokiomi, accomplished the impossible.
>Nah, you don't need to spell out everything.
You do? If Shirou was important for this, he would get a mention. He's probably dead or uninvolved or wandering the world like Last Episode.
I'm pretty sure post UBW he is "employed" as freelancing Enforcer.
Atleast considering this one
>Rin really is a genius. Given time, she'll enter within the top 100 magi of the Association throughout its entire history. Shirou won't move out from being an magus apprentice, but as a spell-user, he'll be among one of the big specialists. Ultimately, he'll receive an evaluation on the same level as "Magus Killer" Emiya Kiritsugu had in his peak, maybe. If I were to put into simple numbers, Ciel: 100, Rin: 70-100, Shirou: 10 (under particular limited conditions, then 40).
Luvia doesn't have her gems on her all the time either, your point is retarded. Why don't you just go ahead and say Luvia wins because she can kill Rin while she's sleeping? it's the same logic you're using.
>He was working with Luvia infiltrating a cruise ship run by a DAA.
That's it? And why would those two pair up? I know drills are best, but it's still a bit odd.
>Luvia doesn't have her gems on her all the time either,
What the fuck does this even mean? It's not about whether or not they are on her, Rin literally doesn't have the gem sword at all in the majority of cases.
Fate/Next Gen remake
Fate/HA next gen.
Mahou next gen
Mahou 2 (5 hours long)
Tsukihime next gen
Mahou 3 (2 hours long)
Mahou "trilogy" next gen
DDD vol3 maybe (even worse than vol2 last chapter)
That's the old man I was talking about, we need the next vn to have more on him. But really it can't have all the ending because when nasu continues it one has to be canon. I feel that hf makes the most sense and ended everything correctly to be canon. Sakura is the best girl for shirou too. Rin always a girl next door character I feel, there wasn't even any romance with her in her own route. I feel nasu felt sakura would be more realistic for him and made her route canon.
So would Shirou refuse to wear this outfit/style his hair like this in the future?
Look retard. Just for you.
>"Oh, you sure are optimistic. You think you can become a proper magus in a year? I was ready to teach you for ten years when you became my apprentice… But I see, you're fine with just one more year, huh?"
>T-That's great, but no, that's not it…! T->That's really a long way ahead. Wouldn't you get tired?"
If it's post UBW when where Rin is at her weakest, she's fucked.
Shirou (and Saber) cripple her magic potential, if RN she sacrificed part of her crest for her fucktoy.
No second magic ever for Rin. Only HF Rin is OP and acknowledged as Zelretch's disciple. Fate Rin might have some luck since she's not orbiting around Shirou's ass.
Luvia will finish the job Rider began, and she will make Waivah into a man.
When next you see Waiver he will be 6 feet tall, 250 pounds of pure muscle and be challenging The Rock to a cooking match inside the kitchen.
She's just giving a random number, she doesn't literally mean 10 years. Learn to read between the lines dumbass.
Also, there is no way Shirou would even stay for 10 years anyway.
>No second magic ever for Rin
Where the fuck do you take that from?
You don't get top 100 in the entire history of the clocktower for nothing and she has an entire life of research
It didn't though , his fake sister or arc is canon. It's about the feel of thier romance and how well it ties things up. Sakura was clearly the canon end. It's not about the best girl bit best girl for shirou.
>confirmed for not finishing FHA
Avenger literally flashbacks to fucking Rin and dating other girls before he says goodbye to Bazett. Everything that happened in there except for the end is Avenger's self insert fanfic. He fucks Rin, Sakura, Rider and Saber.
Saber, Rider and Lancer are around, but none of the stuff that happened previously is canon it's just Avenger's fanfic. His wish.
>Also, there is no way Shirou would even stay for 10 years anyway.
And where do you take that from?
>She's just giving a random number
How do you know that?
>Learn to read between the lines dumbass.
Like make up shit like you do?
>Also, there is no way Shirou would even stay for 10 years anyway.
And how the fuck do you even know this.
I love Luvia, but nothing else about this spinoff really appeals to me. Since when did anyone care enough about Waver for him to get his own LN? I guess he was popular when F/Z was airing because he was cute and fujoshi liked him, but they've all moved on and older Waver isn't kawaii anymore.
Depends the Eclipse scenes. The ones involving Shirou? They are all Avenger's fanfiction. He thinks back about the experiences he lived and that includes all those deitos with the heroines and sex. They are Avenger's wish for a normal life.
Eclipse scene that is actually reality is after Bazett awakes and Karen is around once you complete the game, but none of those scenes actually happened there. It was only Avenger's wishful thinking.
>How do you know that?
Because she's playing with him? She's not being completely serious. Learn to read the situation, dumbass.
>And how the fuck do you even know this.
Did you even read the VN?
>Saber is a girl who shares his ideals and they save each other
>Rin is a girl that keeps Shirou from becoming Archer
>Sakura is a dumb woe-is-me slut with no personality other than appealing to fedora wearing whiteknight niggers and thus only enables Shirou's self-destructiveness
>best girl for Shirou
Going by his characterization he wouldn't have gone with her, but he did. He fell in love with her so you don't know how far it's going to go. You need to get off your after story fanfic.
>You need to get off your after story fanfic.
Says the guy who thinks Shirou will simply drop all his ideals to fuck Rin for the rest of his life. Go back to your favourite fan fiction website faggot.
>He's even more powerful too.
inb4 I was pretending to be retarded
Which Nasu specifically refers to Rin in general, not UBW Rin where she gives up her crest for Shirou and he sucks her prana like a leech.
Saber can't do anything fancy or she'll kill Rin. Remember how Berserker moving resulted to Illya, a living magic circuit, pass out in pain before the Grail gave her back up? Imagine the strain Rin has because of Saber and Shirou. Saber can't Excaliblast ever.
RN is now the official canon, dude. You need to wake up and accept it. Rin is fucked, Shirou destroyed her potential as magus.
>Learn to read the situation, dumbass.
You need to learn a little better she is being extremely serious there because she is asking to take him to London.
>Did you even read the VN?
Is this all you can say?
Would UBW Shirou need to rely on NP in a mage war?
He is still a retardly good archer, on top of probably training himself similar to Kerry in the use of guns and all that shit.
He would probably only bust out NP's in certain conditions where he can get away with it.
He is not a complete moron, especially with Rin driving that shit into his brain every single day for the rest of his life.
>that continues the main story of everything and everyone
>You need to learn a little better she is being extremely serious there because she is asking to take him to London.
>Is this all you can say?
Yes, since you apparently missed all of Shirou's characterization.
That's because they have fucking Rider, learn to read.
Shirou will literally stop functioning if he even tries to use his RM and the most he can do is project Kanshou and Byakuya several times. He's a doll running on mana, he'll shut down when he runs out and his magic takes an insane amount of mana to use as well.
He's fucking immortal with unlimited mana. Sakura and shirou make the best duo. Shinji is good with arc or ahikia (most likely arc, I feel bad for ahikia though because instead of shit romances like rin and saber, both arc and Ahikia worked and were deep, really tuskhime had a better main characters and setting) and shirou will be canon with sakura in the next big nasu vn, Mark my words
TOHSAKA PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY!
Sakura is the girl who got him thinking about his own happiness without sacrificing hers. Their problems were mostly external (Zouken, Angra Mainyu) and not internal. They fixed each other.
In Fate, Shirou tries to make Saber happy. In UBW, Rin tries to make Shirou happy. In HF, Shirou wants Sakura to be happy but realizes he wants to be happy with her. You can look up this realization in their dates examples. One has Shirou entertaining Saber. Another Rin entertaining Shirou. In HF, Shirou promises Sakura to take her to the cherry blossoms and realizes that sounds like fun and wants to have fun too something he never fucking did with Rin during UBW route even if the girl tried her best. He kept feeling guilty.
You're thinking about the war as if mattered, it was an obstacle for Sakura and Shirou, unlike the other couples, not the reason why they were brought together.
Sakura is a mana fucking freak, she's giving rider and shriou fucking mana at the same time and it doesn't even phase her. Shirou is ten times more powerful. Face it for fucking once that it's common sense that hf is the canon fucking end.
THIS WHOLE THREAD WAS
UNLIMITED BAIT WORKS
Holy shit you are dumb.
Rin isn't ever going to get in the same position as Sakura. If you seriously think Shirou will drop his ideals for Rin you're fucking retarded and should go back to fanfic.com.
>Saber can't do anything fancy or she'll kill Rin
Saber can't be killed by Luvia due to magic resistance. She just needs to reach her and cut her in half, no need for Excalibur nor dispelling Invisible Air, not even equiping her armour. Battle would be over in a split second without doing "anything fancy" as you say.
Even having Saber standing still without doing shit would be a huge pain in the ass for Luvia, since Rin can use her body to tank all of Luvia's spells effortlessly while she wrecks her with her own attacks.
Now how are they gonna transfer mana in the middle of a battle? Shirou has no connection to Sakura like Rider does. Hell they even say in HF True that they have to regularly transfer mana. Shirou isn't 10 times more powerful, he's a walking glass cannon that will break with his most powerful attack.
Will you fucking stop this shit already? Nasu already said that none of the endings in F/SN is canon.
A doll part and a full body doll are two seperate things.
You knowing right and I'm completely serious. It's common fucking sense, hF ended the fucking whole story and plot, it actually had the deepest romance with the two of then unlike the shonen level love in fate and nothing in ubw. How retarded do you have to be. Why do to have to cling onto something just for fucking Waifus. Just fucking based it off how it works out. Hf and sakura and shirou worked the best and ended it.
>A doll part and a full body doll are two seperate things.
It's the same shit. Touko does this trade too. No difference. The only problem was adjusting to the Magic Circuits flow which demanded a bit more prana which Sakura has no problem to offer because she's a Grail with connection to the other side. Rin spells aloud he's fine and he'll eventually use his Reality Marble. She spells aloud they are OP while in UBW no such claims were made.
You can take your UBW fanfic and shove it. UBW Rin was fucked over badly as a magus and I'm mad that Nasu did this to her. Look at the other heroines, in Fate, Saber gets Avalon back making her OP. In HF, Sakura gets to be a free Grail with Servant and no problems, now free to start practicing magecraft.
What does Rin gets? Her magical potential crippled by prana parasite(s) or by giving up part of her crest. Just fuck Nasu.
And at times like this I'm ashamed to be a Sakurafag
Threads always become utter shit as soon as someone asks some powerlevel question or waifu shit.
Guess I'll wait until there are more scans of the two new manga until I visit Fate threads again.
I'm not clinging to fucking waifus I'm a bloody Sakurafag too but you're making us look bad and you're saying extremely retarded shit. HF didn't end the whole story, Archer never got his answer in HF and Saber never left with her problems solved either. HF isn't the be all end all for the story, many more things are left unresolved in HF that are suddenly magically fucking fixed after a timeskip. HF True was one of the worst endings in F/SN next to UBW Good with that shitty timeskip end suddenly fixing everything, also newsflash. HF Normal was supposed to be the True end for HF.
This is worse than a Waifu-war or Powerlevel discussion.
This is the biggest cancer TM threads have.
I feel with you.
HF's ending has the same problem that Kohaku's ending has.
I still like the route though
Saber route name
name of the last scene in the saber route
>Realta Nua (FSN all ages version name)
Name of the Ending (Last Episode) of the Saber route
Geez which route are they pushing as main?
I am a Sakurafag but I never participate in best waifu/best route related arguments.
As a Rinfag I genuinely hope those are just the same reverse trolls that created the "SCOLD ME" threads
All containers have a certain capacity which they can be filled, Touko dolls are no exception. Shirou has no connection to Sakura like Rider does and is not getting a constant flow of mana as noted in HF True that they have to do regular mana transfers.
Also Rin says that they are unbeatable because they have fucking Rider with them, not because of Shirou whom still has tons of work to put in.
Literally what? I'm not talking about Rin nigger.
>tfw re-reading the part where he's going to kill her with the knife
I want to believe. Last time he said his weekly work schedule was 5/7 Tsukihime, 2/7 Fate. When is the next TM Ace out? Maybe he'll comment on progress there.
That just means sakura and shirou and having tons of sex and are happy, it's the best end for shirou and half the shot you say has no citation. As far as I'm concerned shirou is open as fuck in hf end.
wrong, The best girl in the series is so clearly
TaigaI'm going to have to call you retarded for not seeing it
I keep on choosing to stab her but Rider keeps on killing me.
But it's worth trying.
>all the kiddies on the friend list
Umm did you read the VN? Specifically F/HA what happens during their lifetime is pretty much stated, Shirou does his hero business and Rin supports him anyway she can.
So yes according to the VN they largely stay around each other's proximity. Even if not joined at the hip.
Equal, people will always bullshit towards their favorite one, but the entire point that people miss is that she really is an alt color Rin. For everything Rin has, Luvia has something equal but opposite, for every feat that Rin has, Luvia has something equal but different, thus in Clock Tower they end up fighting all the time because they are so equally matched, because they are so damn similar that it can't be helped. There can't be too suns in the sky, so they'll end up fighting over the position as the competitive sort of type.
They both secretly end up enjoying the competition and company though, no matter how reckless and brutal it gets between them. They're both finally having fun meeting their equal, and someone who can strip their masks away and reveal their true selves.
People who don't know will say it's Rin, while denying the entire premise. We haven't seen Luvia's feats as much but they are there, one excels in martial arts while the other wrestling, they're both jewel and gandr masters, if one has an advantage in one category then another will have an an advantage in another category, it's a rivalry that will never end.
As of UBW True end Shirou is working for Luvia shortly afterwords, so they'll tend to see each other a lot.
great, zelretch is up to no good again.
look at whose file Zelretch is reading.
It's more like, even if Rin has gone to the end of the world, she'll meet Luvia there who just happened to be climbing the tallest tower as well. Either that or Luvia will have climbed the other end of the world.
Luvia isn't seeking Rin out as some jelous fangirl, they're two suns in the sky who are destined to keep colliding because they shine so much, and each time they collide there's a lot of friction. The two people that aim for the top by nature., of course they'll come into conflict.
Luvia isn't seeking Rin out to compete against her, Rin isn't seeking Luvia out, but by nature they will always clash or their feats will always land them in the same category, which only fuels the rivalry as one will always hate coming in second place.