Are we not past the point where we had the Caster flashback? Does that mean there is still hope of seeing Kuzuki bone Medea?
We always say how he was the worst Master ever, including Gordes.
But when you think about it, it can't be pleasant to summon by mistake someone with the nickname Witch of Betrayal as your Servant.
Why Jason? They were superior Argonauts and other Greek heroes worth summoning compared to Jason.
Even someone from the Trojan War would have been better,
He really wasn't. Most of his accomplishments were because of Medea either telling him what to do or literally dong it for him.
If you want crafty you go for Perseus or Odysseus.
I can't imagine Jason not having the Argo as his NP, and that must surely be good.
Plus, the winged ram of the Golden Fleece is the one that became the Aries constellation, and the fleece itself a tribute to Ares, so you could easily get creative there when making an NP.
The anime is changing things.
Medea was summoned using Colchis literature, and there's no one else who could be summoned using that. She was summoned because of her power as a mage.
Who did Rin wanted to Summon anyways? I dont think her red crystal is any relic or atleast i dont know any myth with it.
Nobody in particular. Rin decided to wing it without a Catalyst, but didn't realize her pendant was itself a Catalyst.
She had the Snake Skin, if she'd used that she could have summoned Gil. Which would be amazingly enjoyable, since Servants are only a copy of the true Heroic Spirit, having two of the same Servant around should be possible.
I bet Gil would hate himself.
The guy must have been stupid or ignorant. There are a bunch of magically gifted women in Greek mythology, and Medea's magical feats really are not very impressive in that context. Summoning her primarily for her prowess as a sorceress is just a bad idea.
> pick your servant by using a catalyst
> If you don't pick a servant it automatically assigns a good match for you, even if it isn't a real person or never was
Why would you ever want to use a catalyst? If Kiritsugu got someone who was like him in mind he would have crushed everyone in the previous war.
About the only case I can see for a purposeful summoning of a specific servant is Cu and Bazett, and we all know how that turned out.
It's probably because everyone is a try hard that only wants to win without having fun. We all saw Zero Caster and how KUURU that motherfucker was, imagine how good a war full of assignments like him would be.
well also its what myth you can get in the first place, maybe hers was for sale or just found it first?
Nasu just loves her tragic story and thats the real reason
>The summoning Catalyst is the Golden Fleece.
>has the golden fleece
>even needs a servant to rape everything
shit is like the rarest item of all rare items of all mythology
had to do some nasty shit to earn that title
Because good match does not equal good servant. He could try to wing it and get a shitty one or he could accept the gift and summon King Arthur with Excalibur, almost guaranteed saber class servant which everyone thinks is the best. He didn't know that King Arthur was a stubborn little girl.
If you wing it and don't use a catalyst, you could get fucking anyone who is like you. That could mean anything really, which could result in a high chance of someone who is shit.
When other people in the war are able to get catalysts for specific heroes they want, then do you really want to rely on blind luck just on the promise of them having a compatible personality?
Sometimes people want control over their servants. A known factor in servant summoning is preferred to a random summon for most magi because they can know their strengths/weakness.
Would he get the teeth that summon soldiers, and the pebble that sends everyone into a berserker rage? And what properties does the Argo and the Golden Fleece have? And does he get the Argonauts as summons, or are they disqualified on account of the number if them who are Heroic Spirits themselves?
Unless he knew about the corruption of the grail, the grail was believed to be unable to summon evil or bad spirits. The whole Angra Mainyu thing kinda fucked that though, which is why Medea became eligible. Not sure if the fact it could summon "evil" or not good spirits was common knowledge or not.
As long as their goals were roughly in line it would probably be alright.
It seems obvious to a truly knowledgable master (of which there obviously weren't many as the nature of the grail was fairly nebulous) that a servant capable of working with you would be better than a demigod who would backstab you. A rebellious servant is going to be trouble and eat command seals, and you have to keep at least one to get the servant to kill itself at the end. That said, Magi are pretty fucking dumb in universe and do some stupid shit. I don't like that excuse, but canonically you make a lot of sense, nasuverse magi do dumb shit like that just to stand out, and take the hardest route to the simplest ends.
>As long as their goals were roughly in line it would probably be alright.
>Gambling your life on it "probably being alright" in the off chance you get a Servant that isn't shit
> Emiya has shit tier stats
> UBW and broken phantasm are literally the most broken fucking shit and can counter anything up to and including Gate of Babylon
extreme example, but still. Even a weak servant has their pluses if you play to their strengths, and Emiya's projection skills, even as a nameless servant who therefore had little power of his own, made him capable of going toe to toe with pretty much everyone.
>Shirou summons without a catalyst
>The grail uses his body as a Catalyst and gets Archer
The Argo's prow speaks prophecies, the ship itself was built with the help of Athena, and some say it's the first greek war galley.
It also became a constellation, so maybe it can fly?
The fleece was for the God of War, and the Winged Ram probably a Phantasmal Beast, so it could be an NP like Karna's armor.
If the Catalyst is a Sword, you should obviously get a Saber.
You never know what kind of servant you get till you summon them. Picking out a catalyst at least guarantees a strong servant even if they might not be compatible with you, personality or otherwise.
In all honesty i would wing it and rather work with someone i can agree with but it is tempting to summon heroes like Houyi who shot down suns with a normal bow or the user of Tyrfing who as killed so many man that the bodies of the numerous warriors choke the rivers, causing a flood which filled the valleys with dead men and horses.
The Redman must be someone from middle eastern judging his tan. Mehmed the II maybe?
I'll just summon Sir Gawain and win the entire war.
>Picking out a catalyst at least guarantees a strong servant even if they might not be compatible with you, personality or otherwise.
Only if it's a strong catalyst.
Best bet is still something like what Kairi used to summon Mordred in Apocrypha.
Shirou is always the lowest tier on the ladder.
You mean something which is tied to a lot of Heroes, so your character might play a chance in the summoning and get you a compatible one?
In that case, the Golden Fleece is not bad.
>The war takes place during the night
What is the likelihood of actually getting a waifu tier female servant that would actually like you?
Rider and Caster are at least nice to the people they like. Saber too.
>that would actually like you
You'd have to get someone with an obsessive personality that has no qualms about being summoned by a powerless human.
Literally the only servant we've seen like that is Gilles.
But would you actually have to use an authentic item for the catalyst or would something similar or related be able to substitute it. Like say a book or toy for instance.
Will using a story book give you a fictional hero just like kojiro? Might be interesting to see if you can summon people like Marco Polo or Scheherazade.
Herc was raised to a god after his death, but he was already in the Throne as a Heroic Spirit and Mortal before that. Basiclaly God Herc and Servant Herc are separate entities.
For the same reason, Thor can be summoned, and is in Prisma.
Conflicting personality have generated friction in the past, resulting in the master's and/or servants death.
Don't underestimate the benefits of getting along with the person to whom you're entrusting your life.
>hurt durr imma summon lu bu because fuck year dem stats
>what could possibly go wrong?
You could get someone like saber or pretty much anyone else obsessesd with honor or valor or whatever. Or a bro it up like Alexander and Waver. They wouldn't even care that you used all the command seals
>Noble Phantasm: Pebble
>Outwardly unremarkable, when thrown at a group of enemies, it sends them into a berserker rage and compels them to fight amongst themselves over the Pebble until they have all perished. Once the Pebble is in effect, any individual who holds the Pebble will be singled out as the target of the cursed rage induced by the Pebble.
Half-god is still god. He has divinity. He was friends and fighting equally with Thanatos(greek god of death). Myth states when his mortal body died, he went and became full god.
>They wouldn't even care
You are so getting backstabbed.
You think Saber and Rider would've been okay with someone who just wanted to dick around? You're not as heroic as Shirou or as sincere as Waver.
>Half-god is still god.
>He has divinity.
But not ENOUGH divinity.
>fighting equally with Thanatos
That just means he's freaking beefy.
>Myth states when his mortal body died, he went and became full god.
No, it said his soul split in half and one half went up to party on mount olympus and the other half went down to party in the elysian fields.
Rin sees Shirou is a liability without a servant. Shit has hit the fan and the last thing she wants is her sisters husbando to die because he's too stupid to see how bad the situation is.
The stories actually say who or what Fjörgyn is.
One of those things that just wasn't written down.
Maybe a god? Maybe not? We just don't know.
The name means "earth" (as in soil), but that doesn't necessarily indicate a divine body representing earth, as the norse believed earth was just the remains of Ymir's body; it would have no being to represent it.
More medea screentime = more of a chance they'll make a figure. Or so I hope.
One decent figure is all I ask for.
>The Witch of Betrayal will be defeated thanks to a betrayal
Thank you based Redman
I just want one CP episode of Tohno Family Con Game.
I don't think it's too much to ask.
That's not implied sex, you tard.
That's like saying that there was implied sex between the old Canadians since they mentioned having kids.
Yes, Maya and Kerry were having an affair.
He can trace any one of them he sees. He doesn't have access to Gil's vault just by tracing the key.
And putting traced items into his own vault is functionally less than useless.
Maiya. My favorite F/Z.
>tfw liking side characters
Why is Spartacus the best Servant?
Is it the 8 tentacle-arms?
Didn't he only trace it as Shirou and just because of the link between him and Saber though? I'm not really sure if he could pull that thing off as a red man with just ubw and no seiba.
If so then insert frodo.jpg and "Why doesn't he just shoot caliburns?"
What kind of servant would Jesus Christ be summoned as? What would his NP be? Would he have a Reality marble?