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>implying he is not the most powerful thing in nasuverse.

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>implying he is not the most powerful thing in nasuverse.
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>>118606492
>>118606492
inb4 Gilgamesh spam.
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He isn't.
he is still just a mid-tier servant guy.
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As a counter guardian he's legit up there.
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>>118606528
Actually Shirou/Archer is able to spam more and faster.
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We're in urgent need of the BD version. Damn Polygon.
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>>118606578
Yep. Stronger than the planet itself and all that.
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>>118606492
As a Counter Guardian maybe
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>>118606623
Seriously, that scene was fucking awesome when I first watched it, but every time I watch it again the dimming really bugs me.
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>>118606492

Still a fucking faker.
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>>118606492
He would be a formidable force when he is a CG but even then he is easily below Arche-type Earth and the Aristoteles
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>>118606592
He only beats Gil, though. Nasuverse is rock paper scissors.

>>118606644
>being this secondary
CGs are weak as shit. The real OP Nasuverse crap is things like Type Mercury and True Magic users.
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>>118606492
What is galaxy strongest neet?
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>>118606492
fae kah
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>>118606492
>forgetting Ort-chan and the other Types
>forgetting he isn't even on a Dead Apostle tier
OP is a baka.
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>>118606746
>>being this secondary
I've read everything.
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>>118606900
How terrifying.
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>>118606492
He isn't ORT, [insert DAA here], Arcuied, [insert Types here], ect would kill him easily.
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>>118606965
Ort-chan is no laughing matter, anon. Just by being near her, you turn into pretty crystals. In a way she is very lonely.
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>>118606746
>Nasuverse is rock paper scissors.

So true. Fate/Extra's battle system was so shit I had to drop it despite enjoying the story. Fuck you Nasu.
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Shiki could kill him before he even said "Sakura get back in the kitchen."
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>>118606995
>you will never hug ORT and tell her that everything is going to be okay even though she showed up to the party ages earlier and now she is forever alone
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>>118607068
>In a way she is very lonely.

Wouldn't be surprised if all Ort-chan wanted was a hug.
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>>118607239
Being ORT is suffering.
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>>118606492
OP is not completely wrong. He can project incredibly powerful items such as the Jeweled Sword (although he can't use it).

If Black Barrel was a Sword instead of a Gun, he could kill Types.
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>>118607844
>kill Types.

destroy Types* FTFY
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>>118607886
Oh right, my bad.
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Amaterasu is.
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>>118607961
>>118607990
Amaterasu is the most powerful if you exclude Types*
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>>118606492
>At his best but without world contract he's way bellow Bazett tier
>strongest
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>>118608220
*below
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>>118607844
His projection ability is broken but that alone don't make him the strongest. He would be pretty useful as a projection wand.
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Is there a Type sun?
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>>118608300
Amaterasu is the closest you'll get.
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>>118606746
>He only beats Gil
Tell that to Caster
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>>118607275
>mfw
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UBW Shirou would be pretty damn good later in his life.
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Zelretch in his prime is the most powerful HUMAN in the Nasuverse and he could slap servants around like nothing.
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>>118607275

>DEPOSIT YOUR REPRODUCTIVE CELLS INTO MY GENITAL OPENING, HUMAN!
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>>118608454
Probably better off than any of the other "main" ones.
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>>118608585
He should end up being more powerful than Archer was in his life.

>reality marble at 18
Damn son.
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>>118608454
>>118608585
Mind of Steel Shirou would probably be the most powerful Sherry.
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>>118608631
Eh. Not really.
He can't use UBW because he threw away his ideals.
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>>118608044
>Anime never
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>Implying it isn't Taiga
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>>118608705
No his UBW would be different since his world view changed. HF True tells you that he can still use his RM.
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>>118608855
:3
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>>118608623
It's not just the RM but also all the inherited knowledge, mastery of projection, and having Rin for a teacher/prana battery. UBW Shirou is gonna become some scary shit, especially if Rin can make him not totally suck at anything not sword.
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>>118608855
>gets beaten up by a literal NEET
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>>118608855

Young Taiga > Old Taiga

How many times I need to say this?
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>>118608877
Maybe his ideals changed back?
Who knows, in HF it explicitly tells you he seals off his RM. Maybe it isn't permanent.

>>118608631
UBW shirou had accelerated growth due to archer, PLUS he saw all that shit in Gil's gate. AND he has Rin for a large mana supply.

UBW true Shirou is probably strongest.
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>>118608920
Both are good
I just want to love her and tell her it'll be alright
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>>118608920
If a Fate 2 ever happens there needs to be a Taiga route where Shirou gets sent back in time because Zelrerch thought it would be funny and he proceeds to fall in love with his Fuji-nee without realizing it's her.
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>>118608877
HF Shirou could still develop a RM because he had a different answer. MoS goes full Kerry and thus loses his RM ability.
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>>118608980
>Who knows, in HF it explicitly tells you he seals off his RM. Maybe it isn't permanent.
That's because of GARm, not because of ideals. He no longer has GARm by the ending.
>>118609034
Hahahaha
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>>118608877

Nobody said that RM is Unlimited Blade Works, though.
It's quite possible his internal world has shifted. He's no longer an infinite series of ownerless blades, but a weapon belonging to Sakura.
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>>118608980
>Who knows, in HF it explicitly tells you he seals off his RM.
No HF tells you he couldn't use UBW since his and Archer's worlds are too different which renders it unusable. He still has his own RM.
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>>118608980
Shirou with Archer's arm is stronger than end of route UBW Shirou.

UBW Shirou has exceedingly the most potential to become strongest, though. I mean HF Shirou post-time skip is still barely back to functioning normal. By that time UBW Shirou is well on his way to mastering his RM.
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Is there actually a class of people called "Aristotles" in Nasuverse?

That sounds incredibly dumb. Like the "Einsteins" or the "Kantians"
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>>118609094
[Fanfiction warning]
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>>118609094
So he projects a world full of Sakura trees with a stand with Rule Breaker and the Gem Sword?
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>>118609132

Reality Marbles are the sum of a person's entire life. Living differently can change them.
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>>118609131
>Aristotles
>People
Haha.
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>>118609156
>Reality Marbles are the sum of a person's entire life.[Fanfiction warning]
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>>118609111
Yeah, I thought we were talking ~20 years in the future.

HF Shirou is BY FAR the most powerful in his own route. But he's a glass cannon and doesn't have as much potential for future growth.

>>118609103
Well, UBW isn't completely unusable, it just cant be manifest completely. He can still use Rho aias and project weapons and shit, though.
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>>118609191

>I don't know anything about this series
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>>118608905
God damn, this is why I want post-UBW clocktower adventures so badly.
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>>118609259
Well we're at least getting the Clock Tower adventure with Waver, so that should be neat.
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>>118609191
So that would mean Sacchin's RM is a dead wasteland which saps mana at an increadible rate because she loves Shiki?
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I thought it was just overwriting Gaia's RM with your own internal world.
How would Shirou lose this ability by deciding to say "fuck that bitch, fuck everyone, I'll do what I have to do".
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>>118609290

It represents her life as "eternal loss without gain". Depletion Garden destroys the resources around it without giving anything back to Sacchin.
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>>118609191
It's true though
Hell it's even in Shirou's chant

"My whole life was "Unlimited Blade Works"
Now stop shitposting.

>>118609141
I imagine it's Unlimited Worm Works
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>>118609311
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>>118609311
Isn't it sad?
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>>118609311
Poor Sacchin.
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>>118608284
Castah please.
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>>118609308
Because going Kerrymode completely destroy's Shirou's own internal world and ideals.
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>>118609436
Castah a best waifu for Kuzuki
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>>118609311
Except her life was a happy one. Aside from being unable to make Shiki notice her. And I don't think she'll will lose RM when Shiki fall in love with her
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Why does japan dim the scenes like this? Is it to prevent tripping?
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>>118609506
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>>118609353
>It's true though
But it's not. RMs are a reflection of the inner world, not the sum of the life. The inner world and the sum of the life are entirely different things. The former is transient, the latter is an infinite response.
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>>118609440
Shirou tries to deny his original ideals, by warping them into "Kerry's".
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>>118609549

Some bullshit about Epilepsy. the BD don't look like that.
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>>118609541

Being content with her continuous loss is not enough to make it no longer loss.
And being loved by Shiki probably won't give her back more than she lost when Roa bit her. But who knows how Nasu will work with it?
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Well he did beat one of the strongest servants in existence.
So yeah based solely on feats he is pretty up there.
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>>118609549
Remember Electric Soldier Porygon?
Look it up, if you don't.
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>>118609589

Your inner world is literally the story of your life. That's all it is. Reality Marbles are "the self" inverted with "the world".
It isn't transient at all. It's within you at all times.
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>>118608480
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>>118609702
Zelretch would be the greatest grandpa ever.
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>>118609541
No, it's not just Shiki.
Even having the highest potential for becoming a DAA, she sets out to become a great vampire and dies in less than a week.
It's part of her to be unable to gain what she wants, and instead lose it.
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>>118609750
>implying that's not Zouken
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So what would be HF Shirou's RM?
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>>118609549
Once upon a time, a Pokemon episode made Japanese children have seizures. Since than flashy scenes are getting dimmed when airing on TV.

>>118609577
Why Castah has the same elf ears as that semen demon cat? Not that I am complaining or anything about it.
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>>118609577
Caster x Ren shenanigans when?
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>>118609754
But she get RM in her route where she gets what she wants
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>>118609805
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>>118609877

It's not clear how Sacchin route actually goes down. If Melty Blood actually comes after it, she's quickly forced to split up with Shiki and remains a vampire.
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>>118609805
Some variation of UBW, but not UBW Shirou's or Archer's.
Mind of Steel Shirou's would be much more interesting.
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>>118606492
>literally only good against gilgamesh
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>>118609697
>Your inner world is literally the story of your life.
Citation needed.
>It isn't transient at all. It's within you at all times.
Sorry, I used the wrong word. Transient was the first thing that came to mind for "Not necessarily effected by all possible events". The inner world can be completely revolutionized, but the history of the life can't.

I was arguing with the argument, not the point they were trying to back up.
>>118609805
Unlimited SAVER Works
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>>118609972
>Mind of Steel Shirou's
>implying he has one
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>>118609238
Using UBW has nothing to do with his normal projection of things.
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>>118609997
What if his Reality Marble would be an empty and completely pitch black void?
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>>118609921
Why is misato yelling at shirou
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>>118610023

Now that's just completely wrong. Everything he does is UBW.
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>>118610044
So it would be completely useless like Kerry?
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>>118609933
Looking at chapter names
枯渇庭園 comes after 人でなしの恋. She got RM after she got a D from Shiki
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>>118609440
Shirou is a projection savant one way or another, he'll just have a different reality marble to correspond to a different internal world. He is pretty much a Hero, a living legend, the only reason he isn't as strong as other heroic spirits is because heroic spirits aren't the original person but a manifestation of the legend which is obviously filled with hype and hyperbole.
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>>118609816
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>>118610091
MoS is Shirou denying his true self and putting on a mask (hence the name). You can't use a reality marble like that.
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>>118609978
>Citation needed.

Just how it is.
It's the reason HF Shirou is incompatible with Archer's internal world. Their lives are different and so their worlds are different.
Unlimited Blade Works is "the answer obtained by the one who lived as a sword all his life". Living a different life means a different answer. It's not clear just how different things have to be to actually change the shape of their world, but HF Shirou's world is changed the most of anyone's.

>"Not necessarily effected by all possible events". The inner world can be completely revolutionized, but the history of the life can't.

Pretty sure the narrative of the story can take huge shifts with even single sentences, so yes, the story of your life can be reshaped in a single night. It would mean you'd have to have a pretty shitty night, but it's entirely possible.
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>>118610023
Hi. You must be new here. You need to understand that Shirou's "projection" isn't actually projection. It's actually an unknown/unnamed magic.

For Shirou, "projecting" weapons is a two-step process, in magic terms: One, the "unknown magic" which creates permanent solid objects out of literally nothing, but are "hollow". Two, he "projects" copies of something from his inner world (UBW) over the objects.

He doesn't actually do the two steps one after another. Rather, it's a technique where one aspect of it relies on the other. Just like how strengthening requires you to analyze the structure of the object before pumping magic into it. In practice, he does both steps at once.

Normal projection depends on having materials which represent the magical qualities of the thing you want to project, but Shirou basically makes the thing, including whatever mana is in it, from scratch, out of mana. If he put his mind to it, he could shit out Caliburns and be a perpetual mana factory, as long as there were a way to extract Caliburn's mana charge.
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>>118610051
Nasu should have emphasized Shirou's "attraction" to swords iin the VN
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>>118610248
>>Citation needed.
>Just how it is.
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>>118610087

I wasn't even aware there was a chapter listing.
But still, she was supposed to receive her RM immediately after being bit, even if she wasn't aware of it.
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>>118610226
>Shirou denying his true self and putting on a mask
He's not denying what he wants to do, he rejects part of it, because he feels that is the only way.
Both the mask and his "true self" are the real Shirou.
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>>118610226
There's no requirement of being honest towards oneself in order to use a reality marble isn't there?
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>>118610248
>Unlimited Blade Works is "the answer obtained by the one who lived as a sword all his life".
Obviously you don't understand the dude's argument because that literally does not contradict what he said at all.
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>>118609805
He is no longer a faker so he can only project original weapons.
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>>118610272
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>>118610306
>mfw people think there's a true self an it's not just masks all the way down
lmao noobs
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>>118610306
No, MoS is literally Shirou denying his own ideals and his true self. He just wants to see the people around him smile and MoS completely contradicts that for.

>>118610328
See above.
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>>118610091
Wrong on two accounts. Firstly although his steps to projection aren't directly related to his RM the ability to analyze and store the weapons he sees is. Moreover, the materials used in the "forging" of the weapon are extracted from within UBW as well.

Secondly heroes were for the most part even more absurd than their Servant incarnations since they generally had higher stats AND access to all if not most of their NPs.
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>>118606492
Jesus, Shirou calm down or you'll hurt yourself
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>>118610421
>MoS completely contradicts that
It doesn't contradict that at all.
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>>118610466

Kiritsugu's way is not the way of smiles.
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>>118607111
>Not playing with Caster
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>>118610466
Of course it does. Shirou goes full kerry and sacrifices the ones he loves the most to save lives and play the numbers games. It's not smiles at all.
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>>118610487
Not for Kerry, maybe.
He tries hard to protect other's smiles.
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>>118609131
Aristotles is just another name for Types anon.
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Goddamn, that was a good episode. Why were people in the other thread saying it sucked?
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>>118610466
Yes it fucking does, that's the entire point.
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>>118610456
Wouldn't he fry his brain trying to destroy the projections using MEoDP?
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>>118610516
Shirou literally cries in front of Illya if you pick MoS. It's not happy at all.
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>>118610577
Yes, we got Word of God on that.
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>>118610577
One? Nope. Shitton of them? Probably
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>>118610589
It's happy for all the hundreds of people saved.
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>>118610577

Probably not. Projections are fragile fake existences made of thought. They probably look like a single solid line of death, which is how fragile and close to collapse they are.


Now looking at an actual noble phantasm would make his head pop.
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>>118610409
>>>/r9k/
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>>118610589
He sacrifices his own smile for the smiles of as many people as possible.
It's nothing more than an extremely warped form of his original ideal.
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>>118610577
No it wouldn't, neither would UBW.
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>>118610456
This really bothered me. I could see Best Shiki killing NPs, but Shiki T would have trouble cutting them until his mind breaks.
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>>118610651
>not knowing how Shirou's projections work
No just no.
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>>118610647
He doesn't see that.
Kerry never saw the Happy results of his work, this is stressed in the Zero Prologue (and how he cried every night).
Shirou wants to save people and see their smiles.
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>>118610647
Yes, all the people he will never see or know.

>>118610662
It's not his original ideal at all. Did you even read UBW? It's why Archer suffered so much as a CG.
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>>118610613
Right.

>>118610622
I don't think he couldn't do it casually like in that pic even if it is just one projection.
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>>118610449
His ability to analyze weapons are a result of him being a sword and having an aptitude for all sword related things. Although he relies on his RM for 'pulling' information about swords that he shouldn't have access to, he's fully capable of cultivating that knowledge on his own. His RM is just a database, it doesn't change the fact that he's able to projects imaginary objects into existence all on his own.
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>>118610702

They are projections pulled from the hill of swords. They aren't real, and they shatter the moment they change from Shirou's mental image. Every single point of them is a "point weak to death". Damage anywhere obliterates them.
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>>118610726
Archer didn't turn his mind to steel.
He's just Shirou after getting caught up in some deep shit.
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>>118606663
Isn't dimming on action scenes there to prevent people from getting epileptic? Most fast scenes or scenes with flickering lights are dimmed. It's in the opening, too. I doubt they will remove it.
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>>118610662

Allowing other people to smile is hollow to Shirou, it gives him nothing. Only actually being able to see other people be happy, makes him happy.
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>>118610851
They're going to be removed with the BDs.
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>>118610832
Doesn't change the fact that they are NPs.
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>>118610845
I never said he did. But the reason why he suffered so much as a CG is pretty similar. He never got to see anybody around him smile.
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>>118610869
Then why doesn't Shirou become magic sword Santa instead of fighting people?
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Is tsukihime worth reading?
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>>118610869
Some people have the misguided notion that Shirou is a naturally good person, which is untrue.
His pleasure derives from the happiness of others, like Kotomine's derives from the suffering of others.
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>>118610897

But looking at them is not the same as looking at an actual divine mystery, because understanding the death of a projection is a lot easier than understanding the death of an ancient super powered magical artifact. Even if the projection is a perfect replication of a super powered magical artifact, it is not actually a super powered magical artifact, it is just a projection. It lives and dies like a projection (very quickly). The death perceived by Shiki would be the death of a projection, not a divine mystery.
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>>118610958
yes
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>>118609131
They're called Aristotles because they're quasi-immortal lifeforms that are the sum of the potential of each planet in our solar system. Aristotle was an astrologer with a taste for that weird semi-scientific philosophy that preceded science, and his name fit well as a class of beings.

ORT is the only one active in the "present day" of the Nasuverse.
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Subs out.
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>>118610958
Yes faggot, do it.
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>>118610958
Yeah. Just know that the far side is much better.
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>>118610983
>>118611005
>>118611009
Okay, thanks.
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>>118610876
Source?
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>>118610966
So what? That doesn't make him a bad person.
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>>118606746
CG are a permanent, immortal existence. They don't die and will come at their enemies until the enemy is dead. They aren't at all weak.
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What about gun god?
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>>118611064
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>>118610996
If they're the sum of each planets potential then wouldn't they all be pieces of trash except for the one that correlates with earth? What worth is there is some shitty desolate planet with no meaningful life forms?
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>>118611064
Source is not being a fucking retard. It's the TV stations that dim it, not the studio.
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>>118611091
But he's certainly not someone who was born a good, selfless person who'd sacrifice himself from others (like Shiki was).
That he wasn't born that way makes him all the more admirable.
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>>118610662
He doesn't have his own smile. Any sort of smiles he gives are an act to make others around him at ease, which satisfies his need to keep people happy. Also >>118610726 is right, Shirou died in the fire and was reborn, and adopted Kiritsugu's flawed ideal for himself because it appeared to make him happy.

Shirou is a fucked-up person, and sees himself really as only a means to an end. It's why he has such an affinity for swords; they're tools with no inherent purpose (just what others need them for), and Shirou makes lifeless copies of them for the sake of his fake ideals.
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>>118611150
Fug these BDs are going to be gorgeous. But they're so expensive.
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>>118611166

Planets are a lot cooler in Type-Moon than they are IRL.
They're each a walking universe that defines reality as they please, morphing reality around themselves to obey their homeworld's preferred physics. They're basically walking conceptual spaces.
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>>118611190
In UBW he basically fixes what's wrong with Kerry's ideal.
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>>118611120
Gun God is one of the weakest things in the Nasuverse. Hisui powerlevel weak.
He just happens to be the only one left who can use the Black Barrel.
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>>118611189
I don't understand what you're saying here. Shirou would certainly sacrifice himself for others; he does it multiple times throughout the VN. Just because he derives pleasure from seeing other people happy does not mean he's a bad person nor does it devalue the way he goes out and helps other people.

Also, Shiki is an asshole.
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>>118611105
Shiki can kill CG's.
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>>118610248
Internal world
and Sum of one's life
are not contradictory.
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>>118610023
>this fucking new
yes it does
lurk more secondary
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>>118611294

I'm the one arguing they're synonyms, actually.
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>>118611272
First, reread Tsukihime.
Second, Shirou wasn't born that way, he becomes that way. So reread Fate after you're done rereading Tsukihime.
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>>118611341
Shirou literally dies and is reborn in the fire. Whatever he was like beforehand does not matter.

I was just making rape jokes about Shiki.
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>>118611105
Compared to humans they are strong
Compared to
- Legendary heroes from the age of gods
- Ancient Vampires with reality marbles of their own
- Some OP slider wizard guy with infinite prana
- the Archetypes of different planets
He's weak as a fly.
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Is there a flowchart for F/HA like the one for SN?
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>>118611294
Ones own internal world is a living thing, constantly changing. Everyone has an internal world.
The Sum of ones life is a final, static answer, that one arrives at at the end of his life. Shirou has an internal world but he hasn't yet found his answer.
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>>118611451

He wasn't self-sacrificial after the fire either. It wasn't until he inherited Kiritsugu's dream that he decided to throw himself into ALLY OF JUSTICE mode.
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>>118611105
It takes 7 CGs just to hold down Primate Murder.
They're just trashmen of humanity that are meant to clean up as humanity is about to go extinct. They aren't all-powerful.
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>>118611490

There's no flowchart, just click the (!) when you see one, they're important.
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>>118611166
Actually, it's BECAUSE Earth harbors life that it's so weak. It became a planet that supports life, so a lot of its potential was used up, and it can't create its own Type/Aristotle. It uses Type Moon to keep itself safe from normal life, which Aristotles fear, so TM created the True Ancestors of the vampires to patrol Earth. Gaia, taking the hint, created the being Primate Murder (which is exactly as fun for people as you'd think), which TM keeps as a panic button for humanity getting fresh.

All of this creation leaves Gaia and TM pretty low-tier in terms of potential, though. ORT (which is actually Type Mercury) is about on par with Type Moon, but it's not really interested in much other than colonizing a South American forest and making it "Mercury."

The bigger planets though have insanely powerful Types. When Gaia dies, but notices humans are still alive, it freaks out and calls for help from the Types. They put then entire planet at siege, and only a few finicky Conceptual Weapons can hurt them.
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>>118611495
That's just speculation. There's nothing to say that one's internal world always changes, or that your answer is locked in stone without any ambiguity.

The facts are, Shirou refers to UBW both as his internal world and as the sum of his life. So we can assume that it is both, even if the two are different.
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>>118611497
>It wasn't until he inherited Kiritsugu's dream
So right after the fire then? The porch scene is just Shirou vocalizing his intention to Kerry.
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>>118611524
Of course Humans would have trouble against a thing that can kill Humans better than anything else.
That comparison is as unfair as saying Gilgamesh is weaker than Shirou.
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>>118611497
>implying
He was like 6. We don't know what he was like as a kid except that he wanted to be like kerry.

It's obvious as day that Shirou's selflessness reflects something wrong with him, lack of self-concern and severe survivors guilt.
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>>118611524
Man why does Nasu have such a hardon for beings that hate humanity? Leave the humans alone.
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help
why isn't the torrent downloading
its still stuck at 0%
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Shiki > Shirou
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>>118610577
Nasu stated that Shiki at his strongest is equal to Shirou at his strongest and that a fight between them is likely to end in mutual destruction.
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>>118611642
>1990+24
>using torrents
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>>118611642
Install gentoo
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>>118611658
Nasu is shit and contradicts himself every other interview.
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>>118611644
Nanaya > Shiki > SHIKI > Shiki > Shiki
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>>118611600
I don't think that PM's ability to murder humans works on CGs, because they wouldn't be capable of holding it down at all then.
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>>118611600
CG are spirits not humans. PM have authority over flesh and blood humans
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>>118611713
Nanaya = Satsujinki > Shiki > SHIKI > Shiki > SHIKI > Shiki
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>>118611708
Can you blame him when people keep asking for definite answers about a setting where things are decided not by power-levels but by situation advantages and comparability between different powers?
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>>118611640

According to CCC, the majority of lifeforms that hate humans on planet earth are other humans.
Plants apparently really like us.
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>>118611756
Ryougi > all other Shiki
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>>118611798
Nanaya > Satsujinki > Shiki > SHIKI > Ryougi >*
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>>118611836
>implying Tsukihime Shiki beats KnK Shiki
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>>118611658
>Q.志貴と士郎の主人公コンビはどちらのほうが強いんですか?
純粋に力と力で戦った場合、直視の魔眼と魔術を用いて闘った場合はどちらが上か教えて下さい。
>(東京都/ぎった)
>A.異能力全開、という、終わった後にオーバーフローによる自滅を無視すれば志貴でしょうか。士郎がどれほど剣製したところで片っ端から“殺して”いきますから。士郎がエクスカリバーのような“魔力放出”が可能なら、また話は違ってくるのですが。
It's Tsukihime Shiki and F/sn Shirou using their full power not hypothetical strongest. Also it's doesn't necessary mean that Shiki would die after battle because of overflow.
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>>118611871
>implying a Ryougi can keep up with a Nanaya
Anon please, the Nanaya's aren't the best in the buisness for nothing.
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>>118611871
Bitch can't into spiderman flips.
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>>118611871
Her stats are on the level of normal fit girl. T. Shiki even with the whole nerfing and mental block is on olimpic level
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>>118612001

Her stats when wielding a sword are on the level of Taiga, actually.
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>>118611976
>>118612001
>>118611993
Ryougi void can literally kill anything. If Nanaya's too fast, she can kill "distance". If he's too agile, she can kill his "skill." Hell, I'm sure she can kill his MEoDP if she really wanted to. Void Ryougi is OP as shit
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>>118612001
What would his agility rank be?
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>>118612027
She also doesn't give a fuck about anything so she won''t show up
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>>118612027

God this fanwank.

SHE NEVER KILLED DISTANCE
THAT WAS A SHIT MISINTERPRETATION OF HER FAST MOVEMENT
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>>118612027
She needs to physically touch him to kill his speed rendering her ability moot.
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>>118611582
>The facts are, Shirou refers to UBW both as his internal world and as the sum of his life. So we can assume that it is both, even if the two are different.
It's only necessarily true for UBW Shirou, who is basically the perfection of the ideal and "completes" struggling with his ideal relatively early on compared to the non-route Shirous.
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>>118607275
>SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>118612027
That doesn't mean she doesn't have lines as well, her Sword would be gone the second she even gets in range.
>Distance
What?
>Skill
>MEoDP
She needs to touch him to even get that to work.
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>>118612083
She's not that weak. And her MEoDP greatly
outclass Shiki's.
If she kills the distance between them she could instantly land a hit. Nanaya is a master assassin, and he has ways to win, but Shiki is just OP as shit. If he doesn't kill her in one move, he dies.

>>118612065
That doesn't mean she can't kill concepts.
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>>118611836
>Manga Shiki>All
Nigga cut down lightning.
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>>118612188
>She's not that weak. And her MEoDP greatly
>outclass Shiki's.
Only for a time. Ryougi herself said that Shiki would be able to reach her level within 3 years.
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>>118612193
>Banana Shiki>All
Fixed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJwPOefYnoI
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>>118612193
Nigga, Akiha route Shiki cut a tree.
It doesn't get better than that.
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>>118612141
>her Sword would be gone the second she even gets in range.

Tohno never kills Roa's knife. Targeting your foe's weapon while they're swinging ain't easy.
And if we're talking about the Kanesada, isn't that basically a low-quality noble phantasm that has survived to the modern era? It's probably pretty hard to kill.
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>>118612293
>Shiki cut a tree.
But he did that in the prologue too.
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>>118612188
Shiki will just sneak up on her with his edgy stealth skills. Sluts reaction times ain't nothing special.
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>>118612293
Can Shiki kill powerlevel discussion?
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>>118612141
Same could be said about Shiki's knife.
If you're going to mention Nanaya, the alternate personality, and count that as "Shiki", might as well bring in Spiral of Origin Akasha Ryougi Shiki too. Who's essentially god.

Don't get me wrong. I fucking hate streams, and Kiss is a terrible site, but this proves the point.
http://kissanime.com/Anime/Gekijouban-Kara-no-Kyoukai-The-Garden-of-Sinners/Movie-Epilogue?id=25643
Starting at 12:08
She's literally omnipotent in Origin form.

>>118612234
And when they write a sequel about Shiki 3 years later, we can bring that into consideration.
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>>118612426

No.
That holy power is reserved for Demonbane.
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>>118612502
You mean power man
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>>118612485
She's human.
That's the reason she can't even take on a Servant.
The strongest thing Ryougi could fight without getting wrecked is Taiga.
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>>118606528
>knowing only fate
fucking secondaries
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>>118612295
>Roa's knife
That's pretty small, I highly doubt it'd be easy to cut down a dagger using whereas he has a bigger target with Ryougi's sword Kanesada, it has lines and can be cut NP or not.
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>>118612556
So is Shirou
And he beat Gil.
Same for Ryougi. She can just kill their origins, same as Shiki

And while Shiki has an alt form that's an assassin with incredible physicial strength Ryougi's alt is literally god.
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>>118612485
>Nanaya
>alternate personality
Wat? It's not alternate personality, "Nanaya mode" is just "now i lost it i know i can kill" mode
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>>118607275
>no one can resist the gland
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>>118612540

Powerman has never accomplished anything. It is a mockery. The powerlevels continue around it. It has failed in its mission.

It is also a demonbane, but that is neither here nor there.
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>>118612729
What about OPM?
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>>118612656
it is an alternate personality, it's his childhood personality along every other nanaya knowledge he'd forgoten
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>>118612638
She's HUMAN.
Repeat after me H-U-M-A-N.
She has the same base limitation every human has:
Reaction Time.
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>>118612697
The anime really fucked up some of those chapters in retrospect, and the beach chapter was one of them.

Akiha's friends and a few others were originally there, and it wasn't quite as leaning to one side.
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>>118612806
Void Shiki doesn't have that though
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>>118612771
>he'd
*he's
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>>118612741

One-Punch Man is pretty much Powerman the Manga.
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>>118611486
Actually Counter Guardians are retardedly OP because they get infinite prana
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>>118612485
If you seriously believe Nanaya is different Shiki you are wrong unless you are stating the manifestation in KT or MB Nanaya Shiki. Ryougi is still human, and can be killed. Void Ryougi is almost as strong as Ciel full power with all her gear not to mention Gods or "Divine Spirits" since there is only one God in the nasuverse are not the strongest and can be killed.
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>>118612806
That's not how nasuverse works. Ryougi is not a normal human; arguing that she has the same limitations is silly. She still can't kill servants though.
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>>118612847
>direct link to the origin of all things
>only as strong as Ciel
Yeah no. Full power Ryougi is True Magic tier strong.

>>118612843
True. They probably can't take ORT or anything toe to toe though
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>>118612823
>void shiki can only fight defensively. not normal, void shiki.
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>>118612823

Void Shiki also doesn't have personal desires and wouldn't fight anybody.
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>>118612904
>against servants
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>>118612904
So at best it's a truce between the Two. Unless Nanaya can win without fighting.

>>118612911
Self-preservation
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>>118612638
>Same for Ryougi. She can just kill their origins, same as Shiki
>And while Shiki has an alt form that's an assassin with incredible physicial strength Ryougi's alt is literally god.

>Q. In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?
>A. If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
>If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.


>....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

You'll do untold mental gymnastics to say "No, but that's wrong, she's a god", but that's not how it works. Even if you put something unlimited into a limited container, it's inherently limited because the container itself can only express so much power due to set limitations.

This is a major plot point at the end of HF, even if you combine a human with something theoretically infinite, a human is inherently finite, they can't go beyond certain thresholds even if you jam something bigger than them into them. Because they can only express so much, they are inherently not infinite.

Shiki Ryougi by Nasu's own words is not god, she cannot rewrite or destroy the universe, she cannot do some of what she claims, she is not all powerful. Even if the root is all things, if it's being channeled through a human body it is inherently limited, like a dam of water trying to come through a tiny faucet.
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>>118612823
Shiki is human
Void is just another personality of that human.
She has every limitation a human has.

>>118612882
Ryougi, without her Eyes is near Taiga|s level.
Taiga might be obscenely lucky and skilled at bashing people's skulls in, but she's nothing exceptional by Nasuverse standards.
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>>118612771
No, alternate personality is separate personality from your main one. When one is in control the other is sleeping. Female Ryougi have no memories of what SHIKI is doing when he's in control. Shiki T. remember exactly what he's doing in Nanaya mode and is in control
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>>118610456
How does T. Shiki's internal world look like?
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>>118612901

>Yeah no. Full power Ryougi is True Magic tier strong.
True Magic can also be killed as well. Just because you know True Magic doesn't mean you have no concept of death as well. Not to mention that I'm refrencing the interview where Nasu said who else can kill servants. Void Shiki can go up to Ciel-class.
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>>118613150
It's lewd and filled with maids.
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>>118613186
So basically like Takeuchi's?
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>>118612948
this
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>>118613150
Probably Nanaya forest
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>>118609131
>Kantians

That is what people who follow Kant are called
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>>118609034
>without realizing it's her.
That could be a problem.
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>>118613150
The open grass field where he met Aoko. While he who possesses an affinity for death, his past is linked to a bright, grassy field full of life and nature ("Classic"). Compared to Shirou, whose power deals in creation, is linked to a decidedly unnatural, desolate field of swords ("Unlimited blade works"). Furthermore, Shiki's field is linked directly to his past (the place he met Aozaki Aoko), while Shirou's is more inclined towards his future (he learned about his Reality Marble from his future self).
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>>118612948
>>118613290
>>118612806
>>118612949
You are now aware that Ryougi Shiki has almost always been useless in a physical match and her wins are virtue of the writer's devotion to the character and her power which annuls threats before they can bring her to great harm.
The servants would be weakened severely before they'd ever come close to using their ability on Mama Shiki.
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>>118613653
She'd beat Lancer ten out of ten times.
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>>118613756
>beat Lancer
Redundant.
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Is there any guide for F/HA? I want to experience all the content but going in blind like this feels hopeless.
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>>118613917
Yeah just follow the guide on gamefaq.
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>>118613917
You don't need a guide to play F/HA.
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>>118613953
Ok, great thanks.
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>>118613550
I say Nanaya forest is more likely. He dream about it all the time
>It was a dark night. In the middle of the night, I thought I heard a noise and I woke up.
>The tatami room was otherwise empty. It seems at some point, all the adults went outside. I was a little uneasy all by myself.I went outside to the garden to see where they went.
>The night itself feels frozen by the winter cold. My breath hangs white in the air. The garden is cold, but at the same time, the sky was beautiful. The expression "freezing cold" seems to have been made up just for this winter night. The cold stars. The deep darkness. Illuminating this world is the lifeless moonlight.
>For a child like myself, the mansion's garden is too big. A dense forest encloses the garden. The mansion is deep in the mountains, and to be honest, is no place for anyone to live. The mansion is in the very heart of a dark forest. It is... like the light of a luminescent fish at the bottom of the ocean.
>The darkness of the forest swells deeply. The trees are like a black curtain trying to reach for the moon. I heard a noise, and was convinced the adults must have gone into the forest. I enter the forest.
>Not even a single ray of light exists in this darkness. Unable to even see my own body, I walk towards the sound.
It's just cold. Even my eyes become numb. I feel as if someone is calling my name
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>>118613971
I know, in the same way I suppose you don't really need a guide for F/SN. But I liked having the flowchart that way I avoided the bad ends until I finished the main story, then I later came back an played all the bad ends.
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*cough* Anti-Spiral *cough*
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>>118613917
>guide for F/HA

i will give you a guide. listen carefully.

Save essential (!) events for last.

done. now you will get 100% and miss nothing.
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>>118606492
>most powerful get's gaebolg
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>>118614020
He also dreams about the Tohno Mansion grounds all the time.
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>>118606492
Jesus, did nip tv always have this darkening thing? All of a sudden it's all over my blade works and it's driving me crazy
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>>118607961
>>118608042
begging to differ
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>>118612984
It's both. When he taps into his instincts and the forgotten memories that manifest at the end of Ciel's route/that one drugged conversation with SHIKI (that gets mentioned in MBAA) seem to be two side of the same coin.
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>>118610832
>damage anywhere obliterates them
That's not how it works. Shirou's copies disappear because he subconsciously rejects them when they don't hold up to what his image of them should be able to do. Archer's swords don't suffer from that issue and are just as durable as other NPs because his conceptualization of the weapons is much more precise, and Shirou himself stops having that problem in UBW during his fight with Archer (where he wills his last copy of Kanshou to stop fading and reforms it) and once he unlocks UBW and pushes Gil to destroy his own originals along with Shirou's copies. Being illusions doesn't make them fragile at all (and can actually be as sturdy as the original) so long as the projection is precise, which is part of the reason that even the world doesn't undo them despite actively trying to erase standard projections.
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SHIKI CAN KILL SERVANTS LOOL EPIC NANAYA SHIKI = THE GAME SUCK THE TOHNO COCK XD
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>>118615093
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
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>>118614387
It's anti seizure stuff. Some segments of the population can't handle sudden bright drastic changes i.e. high impact violent action so they dim it a bit.

I think they remove it from BDs
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>>118615093
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>>118614879
>Satsujinki [Nickname]
>The state when Shiki's conscious mind goes blank due to the inversion impulse. Or, a possible future version of Tohno Shiki.

>Inversion Impulse (反転衝動, hanten shoudou?) is a state of being where one's mind is overpowered by other factors of their body. With the case of half-breed humans with Oni blood, it is that their non-human blood, their instincts, overpower their human blood, their reason. Arcueid Brunestud can possibly fall into such a state from not eating. As her form of taking in nutrition is different from that of humans, her appetite is more akin to lust, and she rarely falls into it because she does not place much priority on it.
It's just Shiki going on the killing spree it's different from Ryougi alternate personalities
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>>118614836
That is also wrong. Void Shiki is nowhere close to the power of Amaterasu. She can't even beat Servants. If she went against ORT, DAAs or Primate Murder she'd be fucked.
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>>118615350
There's the times he goes apeshit, and there are two times where Nanya actually manifests. The forgotten time at the end of Ciel's route is what Shiki has forgotten and cannot be called him anymore, and there is when Nanaya fully comes out in the drugged state and has that death chat with SHIKI in Kohaku's route. Nanaya is both a state of being that Shiki taps into and an alternate set of memories. Nanaya also recalls the conversation in his route in Melty Blood when he complains that RoaSHIKI is too different from SHIKI, so it's more than Shiki being slightly bonkers.
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>>118615563
Q: In Nasu's work (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Fate, DDD) Who's the top three strongest characters?

A: Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really.
Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)

HOW MANY TIMES
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>>118615687
Neko Arc and Magical Amber are probably near the top, still.
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>>118615687
those are respectively in each series
>knk ryougi
>tsukihime arc
>DDD primordial demons
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>>118615350
That's really way too short and ambiguous with the no Servants thing to be of use. It's also like ten years old at this point, so it's quite outdated with the CCC powerlevels. We know that Void is defensive level against Servants at best, so she's shit. She's worse than Melty Blood and Fate/Extra's OP versions of regular Ryougi.
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>>118615687
>respective series
>not counting Servants
Can all wreck Ryougi Shiki easily. Unless she can somehow channel all of Akasha without self destructing then maybe. Neko-Arc and Magical Amber are pretty broken though.
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Meant >>118615803 for

>>118615687
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>>118615687
>ancient 2004 interview
>having any real weight a decade later
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>>118615585
Well yeah but it's still different from Ryougi alternate personalities. Ryougi was 3 different people living in one body. Tohno mind was separate in two, before he "died" and after. It's still the same personality though
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Did they retcon Archer completely losing an arm?
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>>118616297
after the nanaya clan was destroyed, he forgot everything from before and developed a new personality. if shiki nanaya is to go by since he's a what if he lived as a nanaya, he's personality as shiki tohno is very different from who he was before.
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>>118616364
Could be just a mistranslation of either Takajun or Aniplex
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>>118616493
I hope its Takajun this makes way more sense.
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>>118616493
I'm guessing Takajun. The whole losing his arm bit never made sense to me. The dude had both arms when he died.
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>>118616364
He said exactly the same thing as in VN. Also this is adaptation, even if it change something it doesn't retcon anything, VN is a source material
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>>118616637
>He said exactly the same thing as in VN.
No.
>"I had a similar experience. I had one of my arms taken away when I did it for the first time. That is what it means to learn a new magic."
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>>118616489
No, Shiki there is Shiki who "died" in that courtyard (that's why he also have scar). Shiki before Tohno Shiki
>Hey, excuse yourself. I'm a year older than you, you know. Tohno Shiki is only eight years old, right? With that in mind, I have existed for almost nine years.
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>>118616823
That doesn't have to mean that he literally lost an arm.
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>>118616823
>translations
You are the king of retards.

Also, taken away can mean that he couldn't use it anymore. That's what he literally says.
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>>118616823
I'm not talking about translation I mean "what he said"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrWJlxaioI8&index=10&list=PL7E217272C31A51B8
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>>118616891
>>118616941
Well that explains it I wanted clarification.
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>>118617079
>All this powerlevel bullshit
God you guys are really just as bad as those dbz faggots.
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>>118616941
>translations
That's the source for most of the people here.
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>>118617215
>All this powerlevel bullshit
What are you even talking about?
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>>118617299
But when discussing if something was changed from the VN to the anime you can't use the VN or anime's translations as arguments.
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>>118617418
It wasn't an argument, what?
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>>118616829
uhh, you just agreed to what I said
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The giant looks down at me astride his crimson horse, triumphantly sipping a bottle of Pepsi™.

I should...

>1. Pursue
>2. Do Not Pursue
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>>118617453
Are you properly following the thread?

See >>118616823, this is the post we are talking about. He is refuting a statement

>He said exactly the same thing as in VN.
using part of a translation as an argument

>"I had a similar experience. I had one of my arms taken away when I did it for the first time. That is what it means to learn a new magic."
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>>118617578
Because that's what it was being discussed from here>>118616364
He was talking about the translated VN.
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>>118617499
Huh?
>if shiki nanaya is to go by since he's a what if he lived as a nanaya
I didn't agree with this. Everything that Nanaya is "made" of comes from Shiki Tohno. There's no what if there, because Shiki wouldn't know how would he grow up with Nanayas. Nanaya Shiki is Tohno Shiki fear of becoming a killer.
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Are servants real historical figures in the nasuverse? Did all the myths actually happen in their Earth's past?
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>>118617719
I don't get your point. It WAS an argument, and we are talking about the VN, the translation is as canon as any fanfiction you can write.
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>>118617827
>It WAS an argument
Haha sure it was.
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>>118617807
In one of them, yes.
Except for the Age of Gods, that was retconned into existence by collective belief.
It's usually easier to get a catalyst from your own world, though.
Archer being an exception to that.
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>>118617744
Is that what you wanted to say. this one didn't convey it though so its rather confusing >>118616829
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>>118608920
Wait, that spats girl from the F/Z extras was a young Taiga?
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Why does ufotable avoid giving exposition about projection so much? They skipped Rin finding all the projected junk and tools in the shed.
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>>118617744
>Everything that Nanaya is "made" of comes from Shiki Tohno
not really since he could still access memories from when he was a child or rather his nanaya personality.(like full knowledge of the human anatomy) when he goes demon-hunter mode his simply tapping on his other personalities knowledge.
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>>118618593
"Nanaya-mode" isn't a different personality though.
It's just Shiki breaking Makihisa's hypnosis.
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>>118618451
It will probably be in the BDs.
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>>118618451
Not enough time in the episode.
Will maybe be an BD extra
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>>118618593
Those are his memories, Makihisa hypnosis sealed them off but they are still there. After Tsukihime he remember it all
>Shiki: You’re-Kishima, Kouma.
>Kouma: I was just going to disappear in few minutes, but I see we meet. Is this fate, Tohno- no, rather, son of Nanaya Kiri?
>Shiki: -Who knows. I didn’t really want to meet anyway.
>…… In fact, I was thinking it would be good if we didn’t.
>Kouma: Shall we part? It seems neither of us wished to meet here.
>Shiki: Too late. You’ve said a name you shouldn’t have. After hearing that, I can’t let this pass.
>Kouma: I see you have some backbone left. Well then- Follow in the footsteps of your father, brat……!
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>>118618944
>Is it about time? There is no pain or emotion as my body fades. I thought it would be closer to death, but it is no different than a dream.
>You escaped death, Tohno. If you still feel strongly about your father’s death, you should come to my forest. You should find your answer from that night-
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Why did Shiki.R beat 100 servants in Fate/EXTRA if she's so shit?
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>>118619975
She lied.
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>>118619975
She's a servant herself there.
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>>118620059
Why would best girl ever lie about anything?
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>>118619975
She didn't. Alos Extra Ryougi=/=KnK Ryougi. Your Servant say that she's Aramitama
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>>118620273
Also*
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>>118619975
>Extra
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>>118620227
>best girl
>anyone other than Akiha
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>>118620457
>Akiha
>Not a slut
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>>118611190
>>118611259
There was no flaw in Kerry's ideals you shitbags.

He only reached his limit and gave up pursuing it. That was his only flaw as a human, and it was not a flaw in his ideals.

What Shirou says there is a sugar-coated version of the same ideals, or even a recession of them.
>Even if the best possible outcome has someone get hurt to save many others, I still want to pursue a resolution where nobody is hurt.
Where exactly lies a resolution where nobody is hurt, if the best possible resolution involves hurting someone? A resolution where you refuse to significantly improve the status quo, to significantly decrease the amount of group suffering, just for the sake of a single, comparatively worthless, person?

Shirou can go fuck himself.

Kiritsugu's ideals were the apex of utilitarianism.
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>>118620554
>I'll wait forever for Nii-san
>not the purest
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>>118620574
Well said brother.
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>>118620554
Akiha didn't rape her partner in his sleep like Ryougi did
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>>118620701
She didn't need to, her brother was the rapist. Mikiya was simply too retarded.
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>>118620744
Damn, they complete opposites
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>>118620744
Is she upset because he didn't fuck her?
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>>118621202
Yes
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>>118621244
wow both of your posts end with 44
That's a 1 in 10 for dubs and then 1 in 100 for same dubs for a total of 1/1000 chance.
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>>118611564
>>118611524
I wonder what happened to all the CG and DDA in Notes. Did they fought against Types ?
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>>118621453
I wish I was part of an interesting fictional universe and I had a role to preform and things to do. I don't even want to be the strongest to super special or anything I just want to be a character.
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>>118618758
I only said demon hunter mode is him simply tapping on his other personalities knowledge. nanaya did manifest though in kohaku route.
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>>118621811
How much knowledge did they even manage to cram into a nine year old's brain before the Nanayas got rekt?
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>>118621930
He was on the level where he can "defend himself" when he was 6
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>>118612027
If shiki was so strong, she should be able to take on servant, but nasu said she can only fight defensively against average NP servant
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>>118622018
You should know by now that nasu is full of shit, this is the guy that says shirou/archer can't project excalibur when he literally does it in the VN to destroy angra mainyu
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>>118622012
I could barely read and write when I was six lmao.
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>>118622086
So you were functionaly retarded?
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>>118621930
let's just say a lot
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>>118622078
Is Excalibur even good when you can't utilize the laser beam due to having mere human sized magic reserves?
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>>118622137
He never said he couldn't anon, no need to be a cocksucking faggot
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>>118622205
I don't know, a physically exhausted, braindead Shirou who was turning into swords managed to use it to destroy the entirety of angra mainyu and the grail with one swing, you tell me
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>>118622137
Age six is first grade of elementary school and that's when they teach you to read and write, I learned it along with everyone else in my class.
I guess some kids learned it in kindergarten but I didn't.
>>
Can Shiki kill Gilgamesh?
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>>118622272
Is it really sharp?
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>>118622539
Yes, as long as he recognizes gil as inhuman scum
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>>118622577
I bet Gil has really soft butt skin.
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>>118622577
I'm sure she's got the scum part down. Shiki would not waste her time letting someone like Gilgamesh continue fucking with people.
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>>118622539
Shiki can kill anyone and anything.
That is, as long as he can touch it. There's nothing stopping Shiki from killing Gil theoretically, but in practice Shiki would get torn to shreds before even getting close to Gil.
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>>118612564
>wrong implication
fucking tertiary
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>>118622078
its not that farfeched though. I read something before about void in mirrormoon or nrvnqsr that everyone before we are born are connected to akasha, and when shiki was born instead of leaving completely one of her personalities got left behind hence the connection to akasha. after ryougi's coma she received MeoDp but ryougi's don't generally have pure eyes like the nanaya clan so that would only mean she reconnected a bit to her 3rd persona which is connected to akasha.
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>>118622675
Tfw gil has a softer and firmer butt than your waifu.
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>>118622745
We're talking about different shiki's anon.
>>118622851
I can see Gil underestimating the shit out of Shiki and dying from the flash run/flash sheathe bullshit, Shiki is pretty good at dodging things.
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>>118622883
which means void shiki still only human. albeit unlimited access to meodp and whatever knowledge she got there
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>>118622977
Ryougi SHIKI a best
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>>118622977
Gil is probably the one Shiki is most likely to kill, thanks to his idiotic overconfidence.

>a mongrel couldn't possibly penetrate this armor
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>>118623170
Well, she's best Ryougi at least.

[/spoiler]Too bad Ryougi are the worst Shikis.[/spoiler]
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>>118623194
Can heroic spirits die to poison?
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>>118623300
They're the worst Shikis because they're too good to be in the same catagory as the shikis and end up stand out like a sore thumb.
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>>118623315
>heroic spirits
servants you mean. HS are in the throne of heroes
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>Powerlevels
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>>118623315
They can, Robin Hood happens to use them.
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>>118623478
>Powerlevels
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>>118623478
Meme, meme meme meme, meme? Meme meme mene meme?
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>>118623580
Meme?
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>>118623601
Meme.
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If DDD counted as part of the Nasuverse; it'd be either 2005 Kanata or Mokumoku. The latter wouldn't act aggressively and would only manage to get into an eternal stalemate.

>you will never ride Fair Lady while being chased by lifeforms existing inside the universe of a fat NEET's mind ;_;
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Could someone explain this scene to me? She got mad when Shirou said everything he does is for other people, then she says the line in the picture.

Is she talking about Archer x Shirou? Because this whole time they've had polar opposite ideals.

Yes, I'm aware that they're the same person.
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>>118625340
It's about her dreams about Archer's past.
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What is Souichirou's stats relative to a mid tier servant?

Never really thought about it when I read this way back when, but watching it made me realize that he did handle Saber pretty fucking badly, even if it was by surprise
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Soon.
Translation never.
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>>118606492
Hello? ORT?
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>>118625340
Had she figured it out by this point?
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>>118625340
Archer is Kiritsugu.
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>>118606492
This whole thread was Unlimited Bait Works
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Satsuki using Depletion garden>* servant
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>>118625945
Who?
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>>118626016
Me
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>>118626235
the strongest
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100 years in paint.
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>>118626347
>>
>>118626235
literally who
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>>118626777
>777
the best
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>>118627187
Future Dead Apostle Ancestor
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>>118627545
I don't follow, I've never seen this character before in my life, is she a new character for the Tsukihime remake?
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>>118627602
Yes, it used to be gay classmate of Shiki.
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>>118627650
Wonder why she was never in the original VN, interesting.
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