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Why do people hate 3.0 Rei? She may not be the Rei you know and

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Why do people hate 3.0 Rei? She may not be the Rei you know and love, but she's not supposed to be. This is a different character for Rebuild and allows for all sorts of possibilities. If people can like Asuka dislike her not being the same as the Asuka in the original series, why can't you like this Rei?

I think this was a bold move on Anno's part and he'll deliver in 3.0 + 1.0.
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*If people can like Asuka despite
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>>118568418
People hate her purely because she replaced 2.0 Rei right when her character was taking a very interesting and different turn, so it's not really her own fault.

It's the same reason why Shinji resents her in the actual film. 3.0 is super effective at putting the viewer directly in Shinji's shoes- it's fun seeing people express the same frustrations he does about not understanding how the world has changed, or that some other clone is walking around with Rei's apperance.

Rei Q is pretty interesting on her own merit though. Her internal conflict over wanting to act how the "real" Rei should act and then resolving at the end to just be her own person was great. I hope both Rei's will show up in the next movie.
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>>118568418
Until they explore those possibilities she's a pointless character taking screentime form others who should be fleshed more.
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Because 3.0 Rei is a redundant character that doesn't have any points of interests.

Basically, the character is pointless.
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>>118568648
see >>118569593

There is no story for why she should act like the real Rei. No reason whatsoever.

It's merely forced characterization.
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>>118569642
>642▶
>>>118568648 (You)
>see >>118569593
>There is no story for why she should act like the real Rei. No reason whatsoever.
>It's merely forced characterization.

She wants to act like the real Rei because Shinji (the only person who treats her like a human) treats her like a person she isn't and expects her to reciprocate. She WANTS to be that person, its why she asks multiple times "Is that what Rei Ayanami would do?"

"Forced characterization" is an interesting way to put it. During the events of the film, Rei Q feels obligated or forced to act like the Rei everybody remembers because by all appearances she IS Rei. In the end, though she's able to make a decision on her own.

It plays out kind of quickly but there is development to her character.
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>>118569804
There's no development, because you don't know why Rei Q knows of Rei or has the idea that she should be like her.

The answer will always be regardless of inception that she's a moron, and there is no development in making a decision on her own because there was never anything stopping her from doing that in the first place.
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>>118569899
> you don't know why Rei Q knows of Rei or has the idea that she should be like her.

She knows of Rei because people treat her like a person she doesn't know due to her appearance.

Imagine if you woke up tomorrow with amnesia. Even if they knew about your condition, your friends and family would probably still occasionally treat you with the expectation that you'll act like your former self. You would become aware of how you used to be through this, and you might even want to become like the old self that people describe because its clear that people miss that person.
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Because people that dislike Rei Q aren't idiots.

To start off, it's not a good character. Nor does it have any potential.
It's literally a Rei-clone, and instead of making characters with meaning, you get yet-another-rei-clone, which is pointless in the series that has the actual Rei in it.

Then you can't compare her with Asuka, because Asuka is one character throughout Rebuild, Rei Q is introduced in 3.0 along with the fantastic members of the WILLE crew.
This guy: >>118568648
is right when he says
>People hate her purely because she replaced 2.0 Rei right when her character was taking a very interesting and different turn,
as well. The rest, not so much.
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>>118570044
>She knows of Rei because people treat her like a person she doesn't know due to her appearance.
Didn't happen in Rebuild, as this is being done before Shinji even appears.

Difference between Rei Q and an amnesia patient is that Rei Q doesn't have amnesia. She's a new person altogether, and never used to be Rei. Nor does Rei Q have any family or people who treat her as Rei, the sole exception being Shinji.

In the end, Rei Q wanting to be like Rei has to be the result of lacking intellect to the point of retardation.

The point remains, that Rei Q has no reason to want to be like Rei or even believe she is Rei - why would she believe she's someone she's not?
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There is such little character development in these movies already, it's fucking retarded to just dump a character, for the exact some character, just slightly different and no memories.

We did awkward socially retarded Rei in the first 2 movies, we don't need to retread on that again, just with a slight twist.
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>>118568418
I like rei 3.0, she is cute and cool, only waifufags hate her, the strory is about shinji not just otaku pandering.
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>>118570563
>I like a character because waifu reasons

Anon, you are the otaku.
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>>118570446
>Nor does Rei Q have any family or people who treat her as Rei, the sole exception being Shinji.

Shinji is the only person she's ever had any human interaction with, so his influence should be considered pretty significant in shaping Rei Q's personality.

I'm not even going to disagree with you that she's stupid. She's a tank bred clone who lives in a tent and literally can't do anything except pilot a giant robot.

I don't think her situation is all that different from an amnesia patient because clone or not she very literally has the same body as Rei, minus the the memories.

Through Shinji she becomes aware that an idealized version of herself used to exist and that people loved her. So Q wants to be that ideal self. It's not unreasonable.
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>>118570548
This.

Problem here being that resetting Rei just to do this awkward dance over again is pointless. When the original Rei Ayanami died in episode 23, Rei was already a really damned solid character, and Rei comes back as Rei III which continues her character arc strongly. Rei dying and becoming Rei III really added to the character.

Adding Rei Q only created a new, lesser character and abandoned the yet undeveloped Rei II. The character in 3.0 doesn't have any value besides it's plot value.
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>>118570747
>Shinji is the only person she's ever had any human interaction with,
Speculation. You don't know anything about Rei Q or the people she's had interaction with. Rei Q thinks she's Ayanami Rei before she even meets Shinji.

Shinji did not make Rei Q believe she was Rei.

>I don't think her situation is all that different from an amnesia patient because clone or not she very literally has the same body as Rei, minus the the memories.
That's all the difference you could possibly have. Rei Q lacks more than just Rei's memories, she lacks her entire soul as well as any sort of history. She's a clone, not an amnesia patient.

>Through Shinji she becomes aware that an idealized version of herself used to exist and that people loved her. So Q wants to be that ideal self. It's not unreasonable.
Shinji doesn't idealize Rei in his talks with Rei Q, and the condition you're talking about is pre-existing. Again Rei Q has no reason to believe she's Rei here.

Because she has no memories, there's even less of a reason for why she should be Rei.
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>>118570763
Rei Q was there to make the world of shinji worse, is about shinji, not about rei. The same goes for misato, in the series they developed every character, not in rebuild, rebuild is only for shinji.
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>>118570950
>You don't know anything about Rei Q or the people she's had interaction with.

The only two other candidates are Gendo, who in his current state likely just treats her like a machine or tool, and Kaworu. Kaworu's relationship with her is a mystery I guess, but he seems to regard her as an empty shell and just a tool as well when Shinji asks why she is tagging along during the descent into Dogma.

>Rei Q thinks she's Ayanami Rei before she even meets Shinji.

I think this is only true in the sense that she was given that name. It's meaningless until she learns that there others who carried it before her.

>Shinji doesn't idealize Rei in his talks with Rei Q
He does. He treats Q fondly at first because he thinks she is somebody he loves. When he learns she is not that person, he is so disappointed that he throws a fit and treats her with scorn from that point forward.

Even if she knows she's a clone, there's ample motivation for Q to want to live up to her former self.
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Asuka fans like Shikinami because she's an idealized version of Asuka. Essentially their own waifu fantasy being made canon.

Rei fans don't like Rei Q for two reasons:

1- She's not actually Rei Ayanami as far as we know.

2- She's a character that will be conflated with the real Rei Ayanami, and Rei Q is an insulting version of Rei Ayanami.

In NGE, Rei Ayanami had issues enough with people who didn't like her (both in real life and in the anime) insulting her by calling her a doll and so forth. In the radio drama, Asuka steps it up by calling Rei a blankminded doll.
Now anyone who watches the original can see that's not true, Rei is pensive, intelligent and takes action when she sees fit, her character ultimately defying the man no one else could defy.

But now in Rebuild, that insult has become the truth with Rei Q. Rei Q literally only follows orders and admits to it, she is unintelligent and is literally soulless. Rei Q ends up furthering the "Rei is a replacable tool/doll" concept as well.

tl;dr
Rei Q is bad and insulting, Shikinami is bad but flattering
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>>118571209
>Rei Q was there to make the world of shinji worse, is about shinji, not about rei. The same goes for misato, in the series they developed every character, not in rebuild, rebuild is only for shinji.

Shut the fuck up. If Rebuild was only for Shinji, it'd be episode 26 not something that pretends to have characters in actual roles. Saying "Rebuild is just about Shinji" is an excuse crafted to avoid dealing with the fact that every single character blows balls. Even Shinji, the difference being that he's the most developed.
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>>118571231
>The only two other candidates are Gendo, who in his current state likely just treats her like a machine or tool, and Kaworu. Kaworu's relationship with her is a mystery I guess, but he seems to regard her as an empty shell and just a tool as well when Shinji asks why she is tagging along during the descent into Dogma.

You're making things up to fill in the hole. Don't do that. Even if Gendo, Kaworu etc did just that, they're the only ones that can have been responsible, so your point is moot.

>I think this is only true in the sense that she was given that name. It's meaningless until she learns that there others who carried it before her.
The fact that she asks "whether or not Rei Ayanami would do this or that" directly implies that she must know there were others before her. So it was always meaningless.

>He does. He treats Q fondly at first because he thinks she is somebody he loves.
This is not idealization. Rei Q ignores Shinji's advances mostly, and lets the books he brings just lie there. If Rei truly was interested in emulating or being Rei, she'd start to read them.

>Even if she knows she's a clone, there's ample motivation for Q to want to live up to her former self.
There is exactly NO reason, because Rei Q does not have a former self, nor any reason to believe she had as far as we know.

Do you know what this character is, in actuality? Why it even exists? It's only there because Rei is needed by the plot they chose to copy in 3.0, and because they didn't want to feature Rei as strongly as the original did. Basically Rei Q became a tool to fashion Rei's image as a "doll" and "idiot", a pathetic being who can only be pitied and thrown around.
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