Animator Expo 06

How soon?

How much time left? I might stay awake for it.

Mitso Iso key animation.

>>118216378
>>118216375
Within the hour.

>>118216122
Sounds pretentious,

>>118216122
It end up being a video of a girl walking for 20 minutes from Nishi-Ogikubo Station to an apartment she wants to visit before renting and it ends with her putting her hand on the door knob.

Not a single word during the travel.

It's out.

http://animatorexpo.com/nishiogikubo/

>>118218200
That stickman OP is way too long.

>>118218200
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
That key animators line-up
Masashi Ando
Toshiyuki Inoue
Shinya Oohira
Hiroyuki Okiura
Shinji Hashimoto
Takeshi Honda
Akira Homma
Mahiro Maeda
Maho Takagi
Sayaka Yamai

>>118218378
Now this is an animator expo.

Key Animators

Masashi Ando
Toshiyuki Inoue
Shinya Oohira
Hiroyuki Okiura
Shinji Hashimoto
Takeshi Honda
Akira Homma
Mahiro Maeda
Maho Takagi
Sayaka Yamai (Mitsuo Iso?)

>>118218613
Yeah, we kind of know that already.

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That was great.

why is there so much nudity in these goddamn shorts

>>118218613
>(Mitsuo Iso?)
Nah, seems like a real young animator's name.
http://seesaawiki.jp/w/radioi_34/search?keywords=%BB%B3%B0%E6%BC%D3%CC%E9%B9%E1

Fucking bugs.

It was pretty great. Funny and cute.

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>>118218613
>>118218378
>Ando
>Inoue
>Oohira
>Okira
>Hashimoto
>Maeda
>Iso

JESUS CHRIST MY PANTS ARE SOILED

I'm going to sleep /a/, I expect to see lots of webms in the morning

>>118219343
That doesn't sound very healthy, you should go see a doctor.

Has anyone reliable been ripping these?

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>That animation
>That fucking animation
>THAT FUCKING OHIRA CUT
Jesus christ.
Best Animator Expo so far
Patrician choice, as opposed to /v/'s MEMEME Meme shit.

>that tit jiggle

>>118219557
I just downloaded them all subbed and not. They're pretty easy to get. I won't upload them all, but is there one you want in particular?

>>118218378
>>118218613

I don't even know who these people are.

>>118219990
not that guy but the latest one. The website refuses to cooperate with my web browser.

>>118220133
>this pleb
Fuck off faggot

>>118220133
most of them are the best realistic animators so far

>>118220133
Educate yourself then.
http://www.pelleas.net/animators/

I really liked it. It's kind of sad that every fucking moron pounced on me!me!me! and won't bother watching any of these unless there's a super gory one or something.

>>118218774
Anno saving anime.

>>118220418

damn shame indeed

i loved this one, pretty funny

>>118220133
It's OK. Try typing their names into youtube and you'll see some fantastic animation.

>>118220273
Aight, I assume you want subbed: https://mega.co.nz/#!1N0hXK6L!f0CHyBH96SkuQKVnWhPscgPdFPrpZVrS9yJ9hUaqP9A (Maybe I will upload them all, I forget my upload is fast as fuck sometimes)

Seriously, we have to thank Anno and his Eva's money(and Dwango).
Something like Anime Expo could never get made otherwise.

>>118220619
*Animator Expo

>>118220349
>>118220401
>>118220520
>coddling newfriends

>>118220133
Lurk moar

>>118220133
Mitsuo Ito is the nigga who made the mass production Eva fight scene in EoE

Let that sink in and it should be clear that everyone else is equally OG

>>118220784
That's great but he isn't an animator on this.

>>118220418
But this is a super glorious one
MeMeMe looks like Master of Martial Hearts next to the Ohira surrealist part.

>>118220784
>Ito
Also half of it was Yoshinari too.

>>118220784
Iso didn't work on this!
He and Honda hates each other.

>>118220278
come one some years ago nobody here could tell who is who excepted a few nerds

>>118220823
I'm saying this one was great, my point is that this entire project will go unnoticed except for me!me!me! because crossboarders like explosions and boobs

The people watching that don't know shit about animation, shit, there's people in this thread who have no idea who any of the key animators for this are.

>>118220133
Toshiyuki Inoue was named "Japan's Number One".
The other key animators(except for 2 newbies) are considered to be on the same level as him.

>>118220831
W-why?

>>118220989
Well who gives a shit what crossboarders like anyways
It's better for them not to know about this shit

>>118220988
Yes. "few nerds" who aren't new as shit. Learn to lurk moar rather than asking to be spoonfed everything or showing how dumb you are

faggot

>>118220990
citation needed

>>118220989
seriously what do you expect on /a/ ?

>>118220573
Thanks a bundle!

>>118221000
Dennou Coil was tough on both of them.

>>118221064
Keep your expectations higher and you won't have such dumb retards.

>>118220573
Thanks. I'd appreciate if you'd upload them.

>>118221000
People said they got into a fight when they're making Dennou Coil.
Honda quit his job as the chief animation director of the show because Iso was too hard on him.

But of course we'll never know for sure what happened.

>>118221000
Dennou Coil

That was cool.

That was cute as fuck

Thank you based Khara

>>118221092
>>118221160
>>118221172
I think it was more of creative differences. In Nip animation everyone's used to being berated and overworked.

>>118221064
Judging by this thread there are some intelligent anons left. We should expect to have interesting discussions about animation rather than getting dragged down by /v/ and crossboarders and general newfriends who don't know shit about what they're talking about.

/a/ is still elitist at heart.

>>118221187
>based Khara
Don't make this a thing.
Retards spouting "based" trigger and Imaishi was bad enough

So is Akira Honma's name actually Homma? They consistently spell it like that on the site.

Unless my memory is faulty it said Honma at first but it seems they have changed it at some point.

>>118221056
that's why animation nerds are shit. So pedantic

>>118221064
>>118221056
I dunno, it just still bothers me when I see stupid people talking about anime.

Can't believe I've been here this long and I think that.

>>118221249
Homma is the correct way pronounce it in Japanese but the name could be romanized both way.

It's like senpai and sempai.

>>118221203
I still believe those intelligent anons don't know what they're talking about. Reading Anipages doesn't make you animation expert

>>118221262
You could say the same for all of /a/ if you don't know what you're talking about. If you can't deal with elitism, go back to /v/

>>118221342
So call them out and tell them to lurk moar

>>118221378
No, but it's a good start. And hey, better to read them and know a little than to know nothing and still mouth off.

Man, that was really fucking good. I think this may be my favorite one yet, it certainly had the most story.

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Welp, that was really good. I think I still like Dragon Dentist the most though.

>>118220989
>there's people in this thread who have no idea who any of the key animators for this are
Sorry, I just don't really know animators well enough to be excited about particular ones, or be able to match ones with a style outside of like... Yuasa.

If it was all a dream then she could have been wearing some damned clothes.

Pretty boring, but the ending was nice.
At least it is better than that MEMEME trash people kept spamming this board before.

>>118221529
>Yuasa
If anyone has a more vague style, I don't know. Especially becaus Yuasa got his style from Shin-Chan

>Sorry, I just don't really know animators well enough to be excited about particular ones
That's fine, just lurk and try to educate yourself, and don't act like a retard

so 20min Walk > Dragon Dentist > Carnage > rest is garbage

How do you tell when so many animators are listed in the credits which ones do what?

>>118221628
Really? I think his style is pretty obvious compared to some of this stuff... watching MADs now, and like, a lot of the people mentioned here >>118218613 seem to have a less distinct style. Then again, maybe it's mostly because they're all realists and Yuasa is more simplistic.

>>118221529
I prefer people who doesn't know much names but can explain why a cut is well animated/amazing than a pedant namedropping guy

>>118221781
You pretend you know, post in an authoritative manner online and people will believe you.

>>118221802
People need to understand one fact:
Asuka versus the MPE isn't good because it was animated by Iso, Iso is good because he animated Asuka versus the MPE.

>>118221781
some animators have distinct style. Also if you have a favourite animator, you guess it more easily.
Credits give some hints sometimes with the order (chronological order, importance order, number of cuts amount order)

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>>118221802
Same anon as here >>118221529
– as an artist myself I can certainly appreciate well-directed and drawn animation, especially when it's very fluid and retains detail. I don't know that I could speak with any amount of authority since I've never cel animated anything myself, but I can certainly appreciate it.

>>118221998
the point i think everyone's trying to make is that you don't need to know every animator who's ever lived, you just need to appreciate it. The retards who went crazy over the other short weren't doing so because of the animation, they were just doing it because it was colorful and "lol so trippy xD"

>>118222080
Well, that anon said that he was disappointed there were people who have "no idea who any of the key animators for this are", which is a category I fall into, and that's what I was responding to in particular originally.

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>>118221799
No, it's because Yuasa's style has been done by other animators, and he took it from others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f311XTtqPgc

>>118221781
Because many of them have notable styles or mannerisms. Look at the ending of this short. The surrealist part, when it all got chaotic, was clearly Ohira, who's known for this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2v6iOVhw6mQ#t=59
Great example.

The others are a little harder, but you can tell Inoue and Okiura apart from the way they animate bodies and choreograph movements.

>>118221802
>>118222080
If you know about animation, it's natural to know about animators. Few film buffs have never heard about Kurosawa or Hitchcock. Same here. If someone claims to know about animation but not any animators, they're bullshitting you, and similarly someone who knows animators usually has better judge of animation than someone who doesn't.

There's nothing wrong in doing both. They don't conflict. If anything, knowing one strengthens the others. It's preferable to know both. I can more accurately describe the style of Kameda because I know about how smears work in animation, and knowledge of Obari lets you provide tangible examples of 80s effect lighting. And then there are effects tied to specific people. Dezaki and his postcard memories or Shinbou and his retarded fish-eyes.

You're just trying to find excuses at this point. The thing is, everyone can spout a half-baked "opinion" no matter how little they know. It takes some level, though a very minimal one, to know the people behind it.

>>118221900
Well, it goes both ways. If not for Iso's flair no one else could've done it that way. And he's done plenty of other stuff. GitS, Jojo, etc.

>>118221998
What kind of artist? You professional or amateur or a student?

>>118221857
Hey, if you can bluff that well you don't need to know shit.

>>118222322
Do you have a book to read to understand the basics? How did you learn what you did?

>>118218774
First two had bath scenes.
The other three had some sort of nudity or boobs.
I don't know if it's supposed to be artistic or appealing to young men or what.

>>118222675
How to not be a faggot: Volume 1
By Dubbs McCluckerson

>>118218774
Because animators are pervert.

>>118222737
epic

>>118222322
>Well, it goes both ways. If not for Iso's flair no one else could've done it that way. And he's done plenty of other stuff. GitS, Jojo, etc.
You misunderstood what I said. I'll rephrase: the Sistine Chapel isn't great because Michelangelo painted it, Michelangelo is great because he painted the Sistine Chapel.

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>>118222322
>No, it's because Yuasa's style has been done by other animators, and he took it from others
Sure, but still, compared to the vast majority of anime his art style is distinct and it's pretty obvious when he's done something. Like, I know this isn't an accomplishment or anything, but I watched Cat Soup for the first time recently and was like "oh, this was animation directed by Yuasa," without looking it up, because it was obvious.

>What kind of artist? You professional or amateur or a student?
Professional in name only; I have a professional degree but haven't really been doing any professional work since graduation.

Kafka?
Really?

>>118222946
Counterargument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daARNSHVqKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZJO5ex8za4
His animation style honestly isn't all that original. It's his usual subject matter and his cinematography on top that makes it apparent.

That is, though action shows often incorporate Yuasa's blurry lines and freeform shapes, Yuasa himself rarely works on them.

>>118222915
I still dun't get it. You say it like those works defined them or gave them the skills. But that's not true. Sistine chapel was a later work after Michaelangelo had already developed his skills and was well-known for David and Pieta and shit.

>Hiroyuki Okiura

holy shit

How's that art degree working out for you guys?

>>118218378
>>118218613
Because names are all that matter.
I'm not being sarcastic.
Branding is extremely important.
If names didn't entirely matter, wouldn't be ghost writers or labeling someone's name on something to make it sell better.

>>118222322
>There's nothing wrong in doing both. They don't conflict. If anything, knowing one strengthens the others. It's preferable to know both. I can more accurately describe the style of Kameda because I know about how smears work in animation, and knowledge of Obari lets you provide tangible examples of 80s effect lighting. And then there are effects tied to specific people.

I agree you have to learn some vocabulary but you can have a good opinion without it. You can say 'blur' instead of 'smears' when you don't know the word i.e
Actually my point is some self acclaimed experts recognize names but can't really explain why it's good.

This ep was 2 deep 4 me.

>>118223344
sexual fantasy

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>>118223125
Mmm, I'm not really sure what you're saying. I mean, I know that he's not completely original, what I'm saying is that it seems to me that it's really obvious when he's done animation or directing work on something, compared to the realist animators where they each may have their own 'tinge' to something, but still may animate very similarly.

By the way, you see this week's Danna ga Nani wo Itteiru ka Wakaranai Ken? Imazaki was really good.

>>118223221
Well, I'm glad I got it, but I don't think it's gonna help me find much work.

>>118223379
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis

>>118223379
Not everything is a sexual fantasy.
Anon pls.

>>118223482
where are the subs?

>>118221203
Intelligent and knowledgeable are entirely different.

>>118221489
In your imagination anyway.

>>118221570
Anon, your prudery defies logic.

>>118223323

>>118223421
By good do you mean technically proficient?

>>118223668
>By good do you mean technically proficient?
I mean I liked his work on it, dork.

>>118223601
I don't know why are you responding to my statement, but if you mean the subs explain that is a sexual fantasy I have no idea what you mean.

If you asking literally where they are, then you need to learn to how to use a media player better.

>>118223715
the media player just shows up black

>>118223705
Your comment is entirely without value or meaning then.

>>118223759
Use a different browser.

>>118223421
I'm with you. Yuasa's animation can definitely stand out. On his Space Dandy episode I assumed he did the scene in end when the sun scorches them because in an episode that was all Yuasa that was even more so.

>>118223786
im using firefox

>>118223825
Use a different browser.

>>118223759
Just download it.
>>118220573
I uploaded it just for y'all.

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>>118223769
Well alright then.

>>118223820
Thanks, I'm glad someone agrees with me.

>>118223668
>By good do you mean technically proficient?
yes

>>118223860
I dont want to, oniichan. chrome is botnet

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>>118223825
firefox is shit sadly for this site. Download it

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=633670

>>118223960
what is the download? is it animators talking about things? cause i want that.

>>118224015
What makes you think it's that

>>118224015
The download is the episode.

>>118224050
Because the anon wants that.
A person will readily believe something is what they want it to be.

>>118220695
Well, aren't you hardcore?

>>118220401
Thank you for posting this comprehensive list. Opposed to the well-known sakuga list from you know where, this is one focused on animators and a good entry point for people who would like to know more about the industry's key animators.

where are the webm ? It was faster with MEMEME :(

>>118224127
>Opposed to the well-known sakuga list from you know where
what?

>>118224154
Do it yourself.

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>mfw during the window blinds segment

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>This episode

Animationbros are you going to talk about the episode?

>>118224050
because i was hoping an animator expo would have keynote speakers talking about animation.

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>>118223323
>I agree you have to learn some vocabulary but you can have a good opinion without it. You can say 'blur' instead of 'smears' when you don't know the word i.e
That's a very superficial way to look at it. Take it from my anecdote, that I can understand much more now about anime that I know about, well, animation, or the fact that it's agreed upon by every critic and artist out there. Your understanding and appreciation and judgement is expanded exponentially by your knowledge of the subject matter. Things you never would've thought of, like squash and stretch, become super apparent when you understand how it works.

Ultimately, animation, like any art, is a very deliberate device. It's filled with subtleties and techniques used to bring out responses. You don't realize them until you learn about animation, and when you do, it expands your worldview dramatically.

It's the difference between "this scene has good atmosphere" or "this part looks cool" and "The digital bloom and simulated short lens creates a realist effect" and "by omitting internal lines and complex shading, animators are given more freedom to animate distorted limb motion and play with perspective"

There's a reason every film 101 class starts with teaching you the tools of the trade. You need to know the tools to know their effects, or rather, the effects produced are only in relation to the tools. Saying that someone who has know knowledge of anime production can make worthwhile comments on anything but the most basic elements like story and characters is laughable.

>Actually my point is some self acclaimed experts recognize names but can't really explain why it's good.
And my point is, if they can recognize names, they're probably better off than someone who can't. You don't learn about even the basics of animation without knowing a few animators.

I fucking hate Mememe

I hope anyone that likes mememe burns in a fucking fire

fuck them

>>118224127
>Thank you for posting this comprehensive list. Opposed to the well-known sakuga list from you know where, this is one focused on animators and a good entry point for people who would like to know more about the industry's key animators.
I agree it's a great list, but not a great entry point. Very text-heavy and jargonic

>Well, aren't you hardcore?
As much as I want Sakuga to become more well-known, there's no excuse for newfaggotry.

Great episode, too bad mememe fags ruined the entire expo for everyone.

>>118224155
>>118224127
This?
https://camonte.wordpress.com/

>>118224407
I don't remember mememe showing up in this episode

>>118220418
So true, Mememe is an absolute abomination, one of the worst pieces of trash I have ever watched, thank god the other episodes were better or I would have dropped caring about this project from the beginning.

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>>118224563
>>118224407
>Oh no it already got popular, better start hating on it

>>118224541
yeah, and that's why hardly anyone will watch it, god I hate those fucking assholes.

>>118224281
Yeah sure.
I found the limited animation really jarring. Not that it was choppy or anything, but because it was terribly inconsistent. The frame count changed so often, and commonly during action heavy scenes too. That's probably my biggest complaint with the episode.

>>118224541
>>118224407
>>118224563
I know the mememe hate bandwagon is strong but honestly it wasn't half bad. The music was good, the video wasn't badly animated or anything, and some parts were really creative. I like The way the palette got gradually darker as the video went on, from light blues and pastel yellows and pinks to Violets and Cerulean to Dark red and Purple and Navy blues. That was pretty creative I think.

That and, you know, tit cannons. And clit wire.

>>118224516
>https://camonte.wordpress.com/
>anime auteurs
Jesus christ the cringe

>>118224640
Mememe was absolute trash and it's fanbase is even worse, it's easily the worst short out of the ones shown off so far and considering how low it set the bar I don't think anything will be able to go lower if it tried.

>>118224405
>The digital bloom and simulated short lens creates a realist effect
kek

Simulating live-action camera artifice =/= "realist effect"

>>118224709
>it's easily the worst short
No that's still Hill Climb Girl

>>118224703
>mememe
>hate bandwagon
Now you're really sounding ironic, the only bandwagon going on with mememe is the tit and fanservice jerkfest for it. Music was generic wubshit and the animation was choppy as fuck and nothing but a bunch of random images and scenes sloppily thrown together with no consistency.

>>118224808
>TeddyLoid
>generic wubshit

Trying way, way, way to hard

>>118224709
>it's easily the worst short out of the ones shown off so far
Let's not be hasty, Hill Climb Girl is hideous.

>>118224640
I've disliked it since the first time I watched it. The reaction to it (hurr durr muh dick) just confirmed my dislike of it.

>>118224871
>The reaction to it (hurr durr muh dick) just confirmed *that I should be very vocal in* my dislike of it *because I like being special.*

>>118224703
Yeah I noticed the frame count too. But I think it gave it a cool effect because the frame count dropped during the beginning and end, where you familiarize yourself with the environment. It gives me this sort of drowsy feeling like in the morning.

Guys... can we stop talking about ME!ME!ME! and get back to talking about this one instead?

I thought this short was pretty cute and the animation was fucking great. I loved the pleasant pastel colors especially. It really brought out the whimsical mood.

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>>118224923
That's an assumption, don't you think? I discussed it with people in those first threads, and yes, I expressed the fact that I disliked it and talked about why.

Fwiw, I'm not either of the people quoted here >>118224640. I was just stating that I disliked it even before it got shitposted incessantly for weeks.

>>118224923
First of all that's bullshit, the only vocal people have been the ones bandwagoning on mememe as some kind of super 2deep4u bullshit and fapping to the tits and fanservice, everyone else here saw it, disliked it from the start, and never talked about it again because it was genuine trash, there's nothing special about having taste.

>>118224955
The simpler explanation is that this is a quick short thingy, they don't need to have moment be on 1s or whatever shit.

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>>118224744
>Simulating live-action camera artifice =/= "realist effect"
What's your definition of realism then? Early 20th century literature about immigrant workers?

If it tries to evoke a more natural feeling, a more authentic feeling, with the use of a camera nuance, then I'd call that a "realist effect". Granted, such things could also be used as a form of contrast or focus, but to say that bloom and simulated variable focus can't be used to evoke a feeling of the real world is just stupid. It's used in movies, video games, even anime all the time for that purpose.

Great example, Transformers. I don't like Bay's shit usually, don't get me wrong, but he uses bloom and very obstructive glares and lighting effects in CGI-heavy scenes to sort of obstruct that a little, take away from the obvious fakeness of it all by giving it realistic elements.

>>118224808
And Bach is just generic Baroqueshit

>>118225023
I know that, but it doesn't change the fact that it has such an effect.

>>118224852
>defending teddyloid

LOL you fucking faggot. i bet you wouldn't even touch teddyloid if he wasn't related to anime. not that hes anything more than generic EDM shit but MADE IN JAPAN WIF ANIMEZ

go back to listening to anime OPs and gorillaz you fucking dumb pleb nigger

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>>118224988
>I disliked it even before
Oh you special little snowflake, how do you survive in this cruel world

>>118225013

Yeah, no. People started throwing a hissy fit about ME!ME!ME! within this thread without provocation. That's being vocal.

>>118224852
Except that's what he is

>>118224405
>Saying that someone who has know knowledge of anime production can make worthwhile comments on anything but the most basic elements like story and characters is laughable.

I kinda agree but I believe there're things you can tell like realistic physics or fluidity. Having other background can help (cinema, science). It's a way of commenting animation even it's just an aspect. Still better than "omg okiura oh shit inoue is god go lurk moar faggot"

>And my point is, if they can recognize names, they're probably better off than someone who can't. You don't learn about even the basics of animation without knowing a few animators.

Sometimes I doubt it when I read posts here but you are theoretically right. Problem is the lack of source about japanese animation. You mostly learn basics from western books. You can read the whole Animator's Survival Kit without learning anything about japanese names.

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>>118225099
You're trying too hard. I'm just saying that popularity had nothing to do with my dislike of it.

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>>118225097
>hurr durr faggot fuck you

>>118225102
The provocation is that hardly anyone will be talking about this, let alone any of the other episodes from the expo, because everyone just jumps all over mememe like a bunch of retards and work that actually took effort and actually has some good things to it like this episode will be ignored by the masses, it says a whole fucking lot about the anime industry today as a whole.

>>118225172
you gonna give a rebuttal or just post reaction images?

sasuga retarded pleb nigger. go jack off to nearest japanese supersaw chord you dumbass pleb.

>>118225210
Yeah, so no provocation.

And your "solution" to this perceived problem is to take the one thread about this short and turn it into a thread about ME!ME!ME! Good job there.

>>118225052
I don't believe in the notion of "realistic" filming. Realistic content, characterization, drawing, animation, soundscape, dialogue, hell I'll even give you blocking and framing, but the film effects themselves are always taking away from reality no matter what.

This is why there's so many shitty "schools" of realism here. Handheld overly lo-fi stuff? Oh it's realist because it's as if it was real footage taken by random dudes!
Super careful, filtered, polished stuff? Oh it's realist because it emulates real world optics! (it doesn't)

What's "realistic" about bloom, focus pulls and grain filters? They're film effects that enhance perception. If you're already enhancing perception, you're going away from what perception is like in actual reality.

I usually don't care either way, but if I had to choose I'd say I'm against animated works aggressively chasing at these sorts of live-action filters and techniques used to work around the camera. Animation doesn't have a camera in the same way, it doesn't have to be limited by it.

>>118225254
What type of stimulus does a japanese supersaw chord provide?

>>118225271
I'm not even the one that brought it up

>>118224516
the idea is commendable but it lacks of depth as if he wants to share as many as he can but it ends superficial
It's nowhere near anipages freaking detailed posts or raito-kun's blog. I can understand because it's probably time consuming and not rewarding

Oh boy, hipsters in an Animator Expo thread.
Thanks for ruining everything as usual, faggots.

>>118225310
You're speaking from the position of those that did, regardless of whether it was you or not.

>Thread goes to shit the moment Me!Me!Me! is mentioned
It truly brings out the worst of the worst.
They're 30 shorts anyway, there are going to be a lot more and only faggots that watched mememe for the "wackiness" won't care.

>>118225097
>LOL
Please don't do that shit
It makes you look worse than him

>>118225139
>I kinda agree but I believe there're things you can tell like realistic physics or fluidity. Having other background can help (cinema, science). It's a way of commenting animation even it's just an aspect. Still better than "omg okiura oh shit inoue is god go lurk moar faggot"
Oh, definitely. Other backgrounds help a ton.
But that said, you need some background to understand it, be film or animation or whatever.
If people are telling you to lurk moar faggot, you probably should. Nothing personal. Of course, discussion is better, but if you don't know someone as famous as Okiura I don't know what to say.

>Sometimes I doubt it when I read posts here but you are theoretically right. Problem is the lack of source about japanese animation. You mostly learn basics from western books. You can read the whole Animator's Survival Kit without learning anything about japanese names.
In the end, what matters is your posting quality. If you understand animation well enough to give a reasoned response despite not knowing any names, No one will complain. Though rarely is it that way.

MeMeMe was still better

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>>118216122
>Post YFW you first saw Mememe

>>118225350
It doesn't matter, I'm providing rebuttle against those who are for whatever reason saying mememe was better than this, that's provocation
Look at this>>118225412, that's exactly what I'm talking about

>>118225412
>>118225470
Something is off here and I can't quite put my finger on it.

neat, they used powerpoint to animate this

>>118225320
It's just a compilation of introductory blurbs, it doesn't try to be an editorial like Anipages. And that's okay.

You all enjoy the arguing, don't you? You all simply love it, like drug-addicted persons.

>>118225501

Great, now find me an instance of someone saying MEMEME was better BEFORE people started shitting on MEMEME. For reference, that would be all the way up here: >>118219736

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>>118225254
A rebuttal to you insulting me? Ok

I fucked your mom

>>118225380
>if you don't know someone as famous as Okiura I don't know what to say.
Reminder that these sort of people might have watched 500+ anime and think they're "hardcore" and have "a high powerlevel" and flail around in those 3x3 threads trying to be elitist as if they weren't extremely ignorant about their own hobby.

And if you even attempt to educate them, you're called "hipster" and "elitist", as if /a/ itself wasn't build around those two concepts.

In the end this board is just as anti-intellectual as all others, and it hates to be called out on it

These all fucking SUCK

they should have saved MeMeMe for last

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http://animatorexpo.com/promotional/
waiting for pic related.
So far most of the ones in the promotional have been shown, the one with food looks really creative.

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>>118225293
>I don't believe in the notion of "realistic" filming. Realistic content, characterization, drawing, animation, soundscape, dialogue, hell I'll even give you blocking and framing, but the film effects themselves are always taking away from reality no matter what.
But it's not realistic fliming. It's realistic animation. You have to admit a difference between Lucky Star and, I dunno, Wandering Son.

>They're film effects that enhance perception.
But they don't "enhance" perception. They marr it. But they mar it in a way unique to reality, so when you see it in animation it reminds you of reality.

>I usually don't care either way, but if I had to choose I'd say I'm against animated works aggressively chasing at these sorts of live-action filters and techniques used to work around the camera.
I kind of agree, but that's your judgement on it. I'm saying, that realism, no matter how well it ended up working, was the intent and they do accomplish it to some degree.

Here's an interesting comparison I thought of while taking a shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYQS9SYa6A
Look at this scene closely. If you think about it, the way it's presented is terribly non-condusive to showing a fight. Worms-eye camera that stares at robots' crotch and gets too close to make out the fight very well. Ground-level tracking shots that can't even capture the robot's whole body. Obnoxious lighting effects that shine off every surface, and every other shot is inside a car. It's terrible at presenting an action scene, but it makes it feel more realistic. The low shots make it feel like you're watching it from inside the car. The lighting is shitty because real life lighting is shitty.

Now compare it to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwx0EArlgQE&feature=player_detailpage#t=25
Elegant, cinematic lighting. Far shots that capture the entirety of the action. The camera's steady and the music is intense. There's no concern for realism here, only an amazing fight.

>>118225618
Just because people didn't say it doesn't mean many didn't think it, now take a look at the thread, people are praising mememe now, that's bullshit.

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>>118223440
>>118223077
Are there really only two mother fuckers in this whole thread that even mentioned this?

Fucking /a/, you god damn degenerates.

>>118225545
I don't enjoy conversing with idiots and trolls like in this thread.

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>>118225637
I don't know if you're insulting me or someone else.
But okay
I kinda agree

>>118225412
>MeMeMe was still better
>>>/Ve/Ve/Ve/

>>118225729
yeah this episode sucked dick, awful animation and framerate and blatant ripoff of kafka, fuck that

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>>118225470

>>118225470
Wrong thread mate.
Don't you think they have been enough MeMeMe! threads already?

>>118225729
Did it really need to be mentioned? I just assumed everyone would know and understand that it was a Kafka reference.

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This jerky tension in the arms really reminds me of something but I can't think what

Maybe something from Tokyo Godfathers

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>>118225470
I was extremely disappointed, after mediocre HCG and then that god awful turd I almost lost all faith in anything that was coming out of this expo, seriously I almost vomitted when I was done with that shit.

>>118225647
>http://animatorexpo.com/promotional/
The food thing is going to be ranked lower then Hill Climb Girl and you know it

>>118225637
You don't try to educate people though. By telling people they are wrong and commanding them to go learn something you are trying to make them educate themselves. If you were actually trying to educate people hands on you would be getting a different response. It then enters upon the spoonfeeding argument of how much are you willing to give.

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>>118225637
>this post
>if you don't know someone as famous as Okiura I don't know what to say.
I don't even know what to say to you guys. Sorry I don't know much about animators, I guess?

>>118225647
They're looking for some additional fund, apparently.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/animated-short-film-ochibi

>>118225859
PowerPoint

>>118225694
>But it's not realistic fliming. It's realistic animation
I was only talking about the filming, not the animation. Of course movement and drawing can be closer or further away from reality.
Even then, it can get diffuse as to what sort of "realism" is "more realist".

I don't think the concept of realism is all that useful for technical discussions/breakdowns honestly. It's more of an interpretation/critical analysis thing.

>>118225634
nice way to address the facts retard

btw post your last.fm so we can confirm your pleb taste

>>118225952
Still looks better than mememe.

>>118225974
No, but there's a difference between discussing airy, vague concepts like "realism" and talking about the creator's intent to make something look more "realistic."

Which is undeniable. Be it Tamako or Transformers.

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>>118224244
That scene was my favorite as well. Also, full ED if anyone's interested:
http://a.pomf.se/ltwnhl.mp3

>>118225694
>There's no concern for realism here, only an amazing fight.
Pacific Rim's scenes were explicitly staged to resemble the scale of men in costumes on sets.

>>118225981
I could link you a lasf.fm only filed with Mozart, Bach, Debussy and Chopin and you would still call it shit.

So I think I will pass and you can go be mad somewhere else

>>118225859
Are you talking about the part where the straight line goes squiggly?

>>118223172
You're really dumb, #sakugatrash. What I mean is that fame and popularity is irrelevant; the art is good because it is good, not because of the person who did it.

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>>118225729
I was a bit like the Metamorphosis but also Honey I Shrunk the Kids.

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>>118225813
The point to the conversation would be to compared the two.

The Metamorphosis serves to show how strange human relationships can be when taken out of context.

This pretty much did the same thing, only there wasn't a door separating the main character from her lover.

Also she changed back.

And then she was happy that the bug got squashed, only because she knew her little bf wasn't the bug.

Very shit ripoff of Kafka, losing everything that made The Metamorphosis good.

Anyway, that's what I got out of it. I'm sure there are some people who liked it who would disagree.

>>118225879
Nah, It's not in CGI. I think the Gundam frames one and HCG will always be low.

Why arent they subbing new episodes of shinchan.

what the fuck

>>118225859
Honestly it looks like Iso

There's no way it's Iso though, might be Ando or one of the younger dudes

>>118226095
I know
God bless them

>>118226113
>#
pls go
>sakugatrash
That's a thing now?

>>118226113
Then say that the first time, what you wrote is so vague it could be taken a million different ways.

>>118226136
Or maybe the just wanted to animate somebody running through a giant kitchen and though up the plot in 15 minutes

so who did what ? only spotted ohira (easy level)
background animation is great

>>118226098
>trying to sound cultured by name dropping some of the most popular composers in history
>trying to sound cultured by name dropping classical music

oh god it hurts
youre a fedorafag as well

please stop owning yourself fucking pleb nigger

>>118225931
Okiura is also a director. He made Jin-Roh and A Letter to Momo, and was the character designer for films like Ghost in The Shell.

>>118225899
Oh but I try to educate them. I give details, links, and all that spoonfeeding stuff you retards loathe. But no, you're just "a pretentious namedropper" or a "hipster" or the funniest one, "who cares about this shit IT'S PORN CARTOONS XD"

>>118226239
You completely missed the point. I could link your own last.fm and you would just say it's shit and continue insulting me. Because that's all you know how to do.

>>118226218
The scene right after Ohira's is Hashimoto's.

I'm not sure about the rest.
You might want to check the talk show with the director on nico.
He might mention who did which scene.

>>118226326
stfu dipshit

keep name dropping mozart, as if that would impress anyone LOL

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>>118226213
I'm not going to congratulate them or apologize for them setting the bar low enough for themselves.

They could have animated anything they wanted.

They could have made any story they wanted.

They ripped off one of the most well known stories written in the last century without understanding what made the story good. They honestly could have just changed just the ending for it stay in line with Kafka and actually have some meaning. They didn't.

It was shit, no need to make excuses for them.

>>118226301
>Oh but I try to educate them.
Well you come off as a pompous douche, just saying

>>118226301
>Oh but I try to educate them. I give details, links, and all that spoonfeeding stuff you retards loathe. But no, you're just "a pretentious namedropper" or a "hipster" or the funniest one, "who cares about this shit IT'S PORN CARTOONS XD"
Then don't spoonfeed them. Tell them to fuck off.

hi i dont watch a lot of anime but i enjoyed this it was cool thanks

>>118226373
>They ripped off one of the most well known stories
Um no that's your own little delusion at work

This is an animator expo, the stories they are animating are not important the animation is.

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So intense felt like a wild rollar coster ride all the way up to the very end.

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>>118226218
Honda at the beginning I think

>>118226301
explain this
>>118222737

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>>118226473
I thought this was his.

>>118226140
Don't forget mememe being the lowest of course.

>>118226374
Exactly what I'm saying
>bawwww why do you have more knowledge than me
>bawwww why don't you shut up
Good riddance

>>118226525
No. Don't be a sheep.

What the hell was this bullshit? I mean, I liked the story and concept, but it was animated like a turd. This is supposed to be a fucking animation expo, how could something that looks like a first draft with jerky 5fps sketches be considered an exhibition of anything? Are well-respected animators just allowed to turn in an incomplete, cheaply done work and expect people to accept it? Mememe, despite some shortcuts such as the CGI fps scene, had smooth, well done, stunning animation which made up for it's admittedly half-baked plot. This just had a middling concept that was executed in pencilscratch on used napkins. 0/10, Khara shouldn't have even allowed this to be shown until it had the same level of animation expected of even the cheapest seasonal anime.

>>118226554
>Not liking mememe
>Sheep

Oh the ironing

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>>118226434
>The Metamorphosis is not one of the most well known stories written in the last century

Are you going to next tell me no one knows who the fuck Kafka is? And that The Metamorphosis isn't the one story everyone knows when his name is mentioned?

Again, stop apologizing for them. It is not difficult to make a story that is interesting, ESPECIALLY when you are already ripping off a well appreciated story.

The fact that they rip it off and take out what it made it good is deplorable. They could have kept everything in it up to the end, all the animation and then kept the ending Kafkaesque.

>>118226536
I am saying you come of as a deuce, and if you really want to educate somebody that's the last thing you want people thinking about you.

>>118226575
You're literally trying to fit in to impress the deluded and rather cuntish sakugafags here.

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>>118226500
That was me. The one he asked.
It was a joke. I'm not for shitposting but don't have such a stick up your ass.

>>118226588
Anon I was referring to the fact that you think they ripped of Metamorphosis

Which is just you making shit up because there is a cockroach in the short.

Also Trial was better

>>118226610
the fuck are you even talking about, I hated mememe the moment I laid eyes on it and that hasn't changed a bit, if I wanted to fit in I'd pretend to like it like all the retarded teenagers who're jumping all over it.
>>118226588
Agreed, this episode really disappointed me, not as much as mememe obviously but really, ripping of kafka? That's a dick move, lost a lot of respect for the people that made this.

>>118226565
Yeah, there seems to be an unhealthy trend of projects animated with crayon scribbles or some shit. Like Ping Pong, or Kaguyahime.

Dem crayons man

>>118226610
>sakugafag
>bad thing
Since when
That's like saying someone who knows about film is a bad film fan.

If we're cunts, that's because we expect a higher level of posting, and don't want retards to come in spouting shit. You know, like the rest of /a/.

>>118226685
Sure thing buddy.

>>118226373
You seriously thought this had anything to do with Kafka? Jesus.
Stop trying to draw conclusions from nothing, and stop making me hate Nichijou by proxy.

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>>118226654
>Trial was better

It was. Good on you.

>I'm pulling this out of my ass

Come on.

Main character wakes up.

Main character realizes they are a bug. They in fact have turned into a bug. Must now deal with reality, specifically family/lover/employer.

There is only one story that everyone will instantly tell you when you describe this plot.

>>118226706
>That's like saying someone who knows about film is a bad film fan.
Critics are pretty much what killed cinema, so yeah.

is Okiura's part really long or am I just having a hard time discerning the edges of it

>>118226748
Better he thought it had something to do with Kafka than to have never thought at all.

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>>118226693
>>118226565
>crayons
Are you fucking kidding me

How come I never see you guys in the Shirobako threads?

>>118226565
epic

>>118226793
>Shitobako

>>118226777
Listen, my good amigo. They aren't fucking adapting the book. They don't have to be "Kafkaesque" if the only shit they want is to have fun setpieces.

Mahiro Maeda likes gimmicks. Maybe he thought "oh why don't we make her a cockroach like in that one book" and did it, just like that. It's not even a tertiary point of the short. Nobody gives a shit, except you.

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>your sister will never turn into a cockroach so you can make her your pet

>>118226652
I don't care really, just trying to point out that people are going to be dicks on both sides. Its dumb to throw a hissyfit because the majority of cases you work with are retarded.

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>>118226748
see
>>118226777

I want you to go to /lit/ and describe the very beginning of this story and see what they think it is.

You are completely shitting yourself if you think this is anything but a direct rip off or homage to The Metamorphosis.

>>118226777
That's just you projecting a bunch of things because a person turned into a bug, ignoring all the other things like them shrinking or finding out it was all a dream which don't fit your hypothesis

And again this is a expo about the animation not the story.

>>118226848
It's good.

>>118226849
good job anon you finally did it! You described what a ripoff is! Hooray this argument is over!

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>>118226779
>implying
Just because a few of them a retards doesn't mean criticism and scrutiny wasn't ultimately better for the industry. Innovators like Hitchcock and Welles relied on critics and studies as much as anyone else. Hell, the first generation of film schools practically revolutionized the industry.

Critics aren't always good but introspection, studying what you do and understanding it, is VITAL to improving it.
Unless you prefer the movies before these developments. I'm partial to Stormy Weather but I wouldn't want every movie to be Top Hat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSNPpssruFY

>>118226859
And not every "dickish move" is completely serious
Though I agree

>>118226777
>Main character realizes they are a bug.
It's a plot point that she doesn't realize this you fucking moron.

>>118226855
>sister
you misunderstand the relationship between the characters in this short

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>>118226870
So Teraformars and Spiderman are ripping off Metamorphosis then?

>>118226927
So what if everyone is shitposting ironically and genuine retards no longer exist

>>118226974
>time to move those goalposts

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>>118226870
You're trying too hard to analyze it. Yes, it's Kafkaesque, and yes it's most likely inspired by the Metamorphoses. But they're not trying to adapt the story, nor do they seem to be attempting to have it relate in any way beyond the premise. I don't know why you're so mad about it.

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>>118226849
Again, if you want to excuse them for setting the bar low, do what you want.

This is their work, and they should done their very best. If they couldn't do some basic research, or be literate enough to know that they were rewriting The Metamorphosis then fine. But I completely doubt it, and if they were influenced by that book then they completely missed the point of the book and a great opportunity to animate an amazing story.

For fuck sake. They could have had this great animation and a great story. Why the fuck would you not want that? Only a moron would back peddle on his own work so hard to make such a poor excuse for their own damn work.

>>118226994
It's called a ripoff dumbass, ripoffs are looked down upon because it's a poor attempt to ride off an already popular story and even worse they took out what made that story so great. Get a grip.

>>118226929
So you just went retard at the ending when she realized her bf might be a bug?

Holy fuck dude.

>>118227032
But it's not a ripoff at all.

I'm getting the impression that you guys haven't actually read The Metamorphosis. The similarities start and end with "the main character is a bug"

>>118226908
In fact, it would be a ripoff if it tried to have Metamorphosis' themes and plot arc. Copying the base gimmick (a thing so unoriginal, I thought about it when I was 6, before knowing what a Kafka even was) doesn't make it a ripoff.

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>>118227032
Okay. Well, have fun being assmad about this then. Everyone else will just enjoy a relatively simple story with some great animation.

>>118226927
>wasn't ultimately better for the industry

No it really wasn't. You just need to look at the industry today. You can't make a genre film without the critics shitting on it and demanding you make some 75 hour long black and white jerkfest about you eating your own shit.

So then you just say fuck it and adapt comic books because at least you will be rich.

>>118227099
>Main character wakes up.

>Main character realizes they are a bug. They in fact have turned into a bug. Must now deal with reality, specifically family/lover/employer.

>>118227143
You missed my point entirely
Pretentious douchebags will always be pretentious douchebags. Plenty of genre films get great reception. Everything from Tarantino to Black Dynamite. Don't you know? Pastiche is the way of the 21st century.

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>>118226990
>guy wakes up one morning and finds out he is turning into a bug
>hurr Kafka
>he then puts on a bright red costume and fights crime
>Oh ok it's Spiderman

So when does it stop being a ripoff mister /lit/

>>118227128
>relatively shitty
Fixed that for you since reading the metamorphosis is basically getting a much better experience than this
>great animation
Holy top kek you call this slideshow great animation?

>Nichijou-avatarfag ruining a good animation thread

Sasuga kyoanus licker

>>118227075
And you went retarded when she tried to communicate with her bf twice without grasping that she was no longer a human?

She realizes what she is wen the wings grow out on her human form.

These Metamorphosis dudes have to be baiting.

>>118225729
Actually, I made both of those posts at the time.

>>118227186
>Main character realizes they are a bug
bzzt
You failed.

webm please?

Are all post-Me!Me!Me! Japan Animator Expo threads just shitposting generals?

>>118227202
Spiderman never turned into a bug buddy, maybe you should take a minute to actually look it up, while you're there, look up The Metamorphosis and you'll realize they ripped it off.

>>118227202
>So when does it stop being a ripoff mister /lit/

When they do something with what they were given, rather than just pandering?

I also don't understand why you keep bringing up spider man. Spider man is not at all like The Metamorphosis. The main characters in that both have to deal with "becoming a bug" but spider man embraces it and becomes a super hero. In this animation and in the book, becoming a bug is horrifying because others become hostile and estranged.

The fact that spider man looks human throws this problem away almost entirely.

Gokicha cockroach girls was better. That one had TWO cute bug girls.

>>118227244
Yes it's pretty obvious. Same with the random angry posts about me me me.

I keeps this thread alive and let more people see this so it's all good.

>>118227238
>She realizes what she is wen the wings grow out on her human form.

>Main character realizes they are a bug.
>It's a plot point that she doesn't realize this you fucking moron.

So you're just inconsistent. Ok.

>>118227379
Pretty much anything is better than this, like seriously, everything about this short was fucking shit, the other bad ones had some redeeming qualities but everything here was just flat out terrible.

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>>118227343
He actually did at one point

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>>118227343
someone doesn't know much about Spider-Man

>>118227397
Uh most people here have always hated mememe, I doubt it's shitposting.

>>118227288
Explain to me why she was shocked that the bug was squished at the end? And then relieved when she realized it wasn't her boyfriend?

Sorry you have the downs.

>>118227379
>Gokicha cockroach girls
That shit was awful.

>>118227425
Exactly.Honestly Japan is caught up in the past with their animation. None of these shorts have the flow of movement like in modern american animation like Frozen.

>>118227414
You can't just ignore the part of the post that makes you lose your argument. It is a plot point. In fact it's a point for two different scenes.

I'm always amused by people who are exclusively concerned with the technical aspects of a work and couldn't care less about the actual content.

>>118227499
The point is that 100% of the interactions in the episode are between the girl (who doesn't know that she's a bug) and the guy (who doesn't know the bug is actually the girl). Her realization comes immediately before she wakes up. Basically, while The Metamorphosis is about a group of people attempting to cope with some fucked up circumstances, this short is basically a misunderstanding.

>>118227425
>>118227507
There's too much bait here, I can't move!

>>118224709
There were pretty colours and okay music, fuck yourself.

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>>118227557
This thread is like a really bad accident in slow-mo

>>118227507
Now this is bait, yes.
>>118227557
My post isn't bait, it's genuine fact, sloppy 1 fps animation and practically zero quality control, hardly any music in the first place and the story is bland as shit and already done vastly better by the Metamorphosis.

>>118227533
That's why Dragon Dentist is still my favorite of these shorts. Because story is equally important to animation. Not that I'm agreeing with the Metamorphosis fag, I'm just saying that while I can appreciate sakuga in anime and such, it's not the end-all be-all of the form.

>>118227613
By denying your bait you are further baiting.

>>118227530
So you haven't read The Metamorphosis? He believes he is in some dream state, or the very least has not completely accepted that he has in fact transformed. That's why he is surprised to realize that no one can understand him when he speaks, whereas before he thought they could.

Both main character develop into learning what they are, and they do this through interaction with main characters.

The main character of this animation realized she had become a bug just like the main character in the book. Get over it.

>>118227613
I am happy that we are in agreement with the fact that Spiderman is a ripoff of Metamorphosis

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Wow fucking Attack on Titan ripoff right here

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>>118227663
>a expo PURELY about animation
>story is equally important

>>118227663
Anon pls.
Being reasonable and rational is against the rules of /a/.

>>118227530
>You can't just ignore the part of the post that makes you lose your argument.
Yes he can, this is /a/
What do you expect

>>118227732
Uh, no.
It's about displaying indie and experimental animation.

>expo about animation
>this episode

so I take it this episode had a budget of ten dollars

>rotoscope shit

L O L

>>118216122
im a little stunned right now honestly that ending really hit me, favorite short so far next to dragon dentist.

>>118227794
see
>>118227685

>>118227800
>Uh, no.
>It's about displaying indie and experimental animation.

Oh whatever

>>118227663
Yeah I really liked Dragon Dentist too. I really liked the artstyle they used for it

>>118227829
>that ending really hit me

What? Her bf killed a cockroach, I don't get it.

I guess they forgot the inbetweens in Korea and just said fuck it.

>>118227818
>implying rotoscoped

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Wow shit look at that choppy animation, it's like I can see the frames

>>118227685
>He believes he is in some dream state,
...
>"What's happened to me?" he thought. It wasn't a dream."
That's the second paragraph. After Gregor Samasa has observed his own bug body. You should probably quit now.

>>118227872
2 deep 4 u

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Guys..

guys

guys

I just realized something

guys listen

what if animorphs

guys

animorphs

what if animorphs was a rip-off of Metamorphosis?

>The staff at animator expo got so bored working on this they just mashed the storyboard drawings together and pretended it was an intentional art direction

>>118227842
My point wasn't part of the argument, it was a comment on the futility of trying to argue with somebody I now recognize as an idiot.

>>118227949
what if the metamorphoses is a rip off of the metamorphosis

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Jesus Khara, rotoscope? How low can you sink I mean really

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>>118227976
It's uniquely styled and stylishly unique.

>>118228037
silky smooth 3 fps.

It's okay when Ping Pong does it.

>>118228037
>rotoscoped pubic hair
sugoi nihon

Is this piece of shit even legal in Australia?

>>118227988
You still need to realize the futility of human interaction. As the great philosopher, playwright, novelist, political activist, biographer, and literary critic Jean-Paul Charles Aymard Sartre once bloviated, "Hell is other people."

>>118227872
the song, the crying, the big oblivious smile on the guy it was a beautiful little moment between a couple

>>118228086
She is an adult women only shrunk down

>>118228161
Calm down apotheosis no one here cares about philosophy.

Well, it was an interesting concept, but the presentation was horrid. This anon sums up my thoughts accurately: >>118226565

>>118226588
>>118226849
>>118226994
>Kafkaesque
Please, no meat-touching, ma'am.

>>118226136
>The Metamorphosis serves to show how strange human relationships can be when taken out of context.
That's one angle for it. There's also the critique of utilitarian society which places more value on an individual's effort than the individual himself.

>>118228222
Agreed, liked the story but god damn the presentation was ass

Jesus some of the worst animation and art direction I've seen in years, good god