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Does /a/ like grain?

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Does /a/ like grain?
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it's practically my fetish
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>grain
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No, but "fixing" it does far more harm than good.
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>>118171765
80s just isn't complete without it.
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No, I have celiac disease
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>>118171807
This.
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>>118171765
No, it makes everything darker than it needs to be. It's even worse if they add artificial grain.
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it makes my bread

what's not to love?
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I fucking love grain. You have no idea how fucking happy I get when I see grain. I think that people who artificially remove it should have their fingers cut off and be given lobotomies. Grain is love, grain is life.
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I don't particularly care for it nor do I fetishize it, but nevertheless if it's there, it's part of the picture, and trying to remove it usually results in a loss of detail.
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Only if it's natural.
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>>118171765
I can find it's allure or charm when it's natural. When it's artificially added, I want to die.
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i like it
it certainly doesnt detract from the animation
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>>118172529
This. Those shitty photoshops are fucking cancer
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>>118172235
>what's not to loave?
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>>118171765
if it is natural it is fine, fuck those cunts that want to remove it
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I love grain and I hate OZC.
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>>118173474
Why, does OZC remove grain?
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>>118174295

It should usually reduce filesize to do that, since grain is up your bitrate significantly.
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>>118174579
That's not why he does it, he does it because he thinks it looks better.
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Grain is love, grain is life.

>mfw the shit Funimation continues to pull with Dragon Ball Z
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>>118174295
He does sometimes but not others, he's weirdly inconsistent. All the OZC releases of things that don't naturally have grain are fine though.
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>>118174968
My main problem with OZC is the typesetting. The text is always too small to be comfortably read.
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>>118174878
>Let's crop the image
>Up the contrast
>And remove a huge amount of color detail
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>>118174239
if i remember correctly, neo1024 somehow added a grain effect because of the source quality, which according to him was bad.
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>>118175076
>Sells thousands
Fuck if I know, the American DB fanbase is full of retards
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>>118174775

Oh well, then that's just pure triple distilled faggotry.
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>>118175044
literally big bait m8.
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>>118175044
OZC is mainly for dubs, keep that in mind. Fortunate that he has a good release of SAC and Planetes, otherwise there wouldn't be much point
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>>118174968
I was just wondering because the last time i watched EoE I used his release, but I watched it on a shitty CRT monitor so I didn't notice a lack of grain.
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>>118175165
What about that is bait? Compare any OZC release to your average anime subs and you'll see that the text is quite a bit smaller. It's not a problem in itself, but it makes it easier to miss what's going on in the actual show because you're focusing on a smaller area to read the text, making your peripheral vision less useful.
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>>118175441
>Watching Black Lagoon subbed
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>>118175110
>The image was re-encoded from the same BluRay source as V1, with added grain restoration, which effectively masks partial static frame-copy grain removal seen in the source.
Neat.
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>>118171765
Only a true piece of shit wouldn't.
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>>118175500
I watch it both dubbed and subbed from time to time, and I had taken that screenshot previously to illustrate the exact same point.
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>>118175543
The only thing worse than grain removal is frozen grain. Jesus christ.
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>>118175500
Fuck off toonami biased nostalgiafag. The entire cast was wretch worthy. You're scum if you think otherwise.
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>>118175598
My negro
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how do people stand this shit? Couldn't even have clean and smooth animation, the 90's were fucking garbage
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>>118175761
Huh, that's actually a good one. How is the OZC release of that overall?
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Postin godly BD transfers
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>>118175689
Anon, toonami never even aired here, and Black Lagoon only started on it relatively recently. Go fuck yourself.
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>>118175765
Who said grain is exclusive to the 90's?
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>>118175911
Digital grain is fucking disgusting.
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>>118175831
This is nice. The grain is still there, but it doesn't seem sharp and focused like it does >>118171765. It just subtly adds texture.
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>>118175911
Ugh, looks terrible with digital animation, like some sort of unnatural filter.
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>>118175941
I thought Jormungand pulled it off decently enough compared to most shit that tries it. Still ain't got shit on proper grain though.
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>>118175441
ok, i made a mistake. what i had in mind were the subs for cowboy bebop, which are big, imo good size. i checked blue submarine as well and it has subs of the same size as in your pic.
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>>118175961
Gunbuster actually looks a lot better on BD than that, OP's pic looks like its been brightened and sharpened a little
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Friendly reminder of the dangers of grain removal.
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>>118176009
yet another inconsistency to add to the list.
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>>118176109
>mfw I own Ultimate Hunter Edition
Fuck
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>>118176109
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>>118175620
Good taste

>>118175735
I just watched this episode.
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>>118176109
DNR scum deserve to die.
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>>118176209
Good lord, Disney. I expected better from you.
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>>118171765
i fucking love it. grain, hand drawn, decent fps without shitty cheating effects like camera pans

Watching new anime with the lazy cgi isn't worth the consistancy of animation. It's like watching movies now in that gimmicky bullshit 40+ fps. it's just tacky and it looks like shit
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Reminder that EG is doing Gunbuster BDs with the original and redone audio.
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>>118176109
Shit he looks like some kind of inhuman robot on the right
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>>118174878
>>118175076
>>118175129

so what is that screengrab supposed to look like?
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>>118176285
>original audio
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>>118176298
Good thing he can't solve this captcha otherwise he might terminate you.
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>>118176285
Based EG.
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>>118176322
The best looking release is still the Dragon Box
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>>118176517
Jesus christ I've never looked at them side by side so I never realized just how badly they fucked the contrast on >>118174878

I mean I knew it was fucked, but not that fucked. It actually hurts my eyes.
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>>118176339
>36 gigs dual audio with flac
hell i don't have the space to store all great releases.
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>>118171765
i like how it looks in older series, but not in newer series.
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>>118177037
>grain in newer series
There really shouldn't be any.
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>>118176785
Delicious SAC 2nd GIG
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>>118176955
It's worth it when you realize how much better this is...
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>>118176955
>>118177166
...than this from the DVD.
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>>118177080
A few new, digitally mastered series will add a grain filter to give themselves a retro feel to it.
Like MGX here.
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>>118177166
Goddamn that looks amazing. I guess I'll have to get it after Christmas when I can afford a new external.
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>>118177242
That looks very very smudgy.
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>>118177316
It's also a pretty shitty rip, I haven't looked in a while, but it was the only rip of the MGX BDs I could find in 1080p.
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>>118177335
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>>118177335
>>118177384
Stop it.
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>>118177384
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So who's looking forward to deliciously grainy Eva BDs next year?
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>>118177455
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>>118177498
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>>118177538
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>>118176285

Wow this is actually the most exciting I've read all week, thanks anon
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>>118177490
You have no idea. There isn't anything in this world besides my waifu becoming real and taking me into the 2D realm that would make me as happy as orgasmic 1080p EoE grain.

I'm getting sweaty just thinking about it.
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>>118177593
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>>118175961

That's because some Gunbuster episodes were shot on 16mm, some of 35mm, but probably all lower-end stock while Laputa would have been shot on more expensive 35mm.

Stock and technique make a difference: check out the technicolor 35mm movies from the 50s and 60s and compare to typical stuff from the 70s when technicolor fell out of favor. The grain is harsher and you don't have the wonderful breadth of color.
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>>118177650
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>>118177632
Well, the series was shot on 16mm, so it will likely resemble the early episodes of Gunbuster.
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>>118177490
Fuck yeah.
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>>118177711
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>>118177498
now this is just wrong
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>>118176262

You would think, but they've ruined a lot of their films while some like Fox and the Hound and the Little Mermaid came out unscathed. I cannot understand their methodology.

They also DNRed all of their 50s classics, but because those were technical marvels, the DNR didn't need to be so harsh. I still wish they hadn't, I want to see Sleeping Beauty and Lady and the Tramp with all of that grain intact.
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>>118177632
>>118177725
But the OP and EoE were shot on 35mm, so that will look like the smaller grain found in Nadia.
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Fucking yes I do. It's like listening to a vinyl record.
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Grain is garbage.
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>>118177632
I'm looking forward to watching EoE the most considering how shit the DVD transfer was.
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>>118177775
It's really sad what Disney has been doing. There were some compilation images floating around /co/ showing that the old VHS tapes showed more detail than the DNR'ed garbage on BD.
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>>118176517
>The best looking release is still the dragon box

Actually, Funi released an amazingly true-to-source BD set... that only went up to the fight with Vegeta
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>>118177860
The Renewal DVD was great. It's the Mangle DVD that looks horrible.
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>>118177882

Would have been amazing if they kept going with that, but noooo!

>muh sixteen buh nine
>muh bright HD colors
>muh completely wiped subtle detailing
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>>118177669
I see. That's interesting. If technicolor gave a better look than why would they stop using it? Was it expensive?
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>>118177918
Renewal is pretty good. ADV did add some DNR filters, but it's not near as bad as the [zx] encoding, I'll post a shot direct from the ADV DVDs next.
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>>118177860
Christ, I can't believe I still remember how pissed off I was. I fucking ran out to the fucking Wal-Mart to buy it, ran back home, slapped it in my computer, and sobbed

That thing is still the ugliest piece of shit I've ever seen. The fucking VHS rip I watched in realplayer in 2000 looked better than the manga release. Fucking hell.
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>>118177775
Mind telling which others got ruined? I like to by the blu-ray releases when I can, but if they butchered them then I'll pass.
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>>118177983


>>118177976
Not only was the process and film expensive, the cameras that shot Technicolor were extremely bulky and expensive, even by Hollywood camera standards. It was just such a hassle, that when studio execs that that people were still buying in to movies that weren't as saturated in color as the Technicolor, it fell out of favor.
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>>118177882
Well, best looking complete release, anyway.

Yeah, it's fucking stupid that those got canceled, but I understand why they were. Guys like me had just finished buying all the Dragon Boxes and weren't ready to buy the entire series -again-. Dumbasses who bought the orange bricks went and bitched that there were black bars on the sides. So I'm sure sales were poor and that's why Funi had to shut it down.

I'd be psyched about a continuation of those sets but I really hate Funi's tendency to replace all the title cards in their shows. It'd be fine if the titles for DB / Z were the actual episode titles ... but they aren't.

>The narrator says a completely different title than what's on screen
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And again direct from ADV's Platinum release.
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>>118177983
I think ADV's quality loss is probably due to a lower bitrate encode, and the fact that they interlaced it for no fucking reason.
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>>118177860

You should be since it have been shot on 35mm. And now Manga's DVDs must have lost any of their artificial value for being "scare". They're not collectors items, they're just junk.

The TV series will look marginally better than any DVD, but the movie's upgrade will just be stunning.
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>>118177948
They actually did a poll asking if the fans wanted the BDs to be 16:9 or maintain the original aspect ratio, and they overwhelmingly voted for 16:9. I've actually seen negative reviews for the DBZ and (excellent) YYH sets complaining about "lack of widescreen."
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>>118178019
I can at least say Aladdin was NOT one that was ruined. Granted, this rip is from the Dutch-released BDs.
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>>118178186

Beast and on are all digital, so they should be flawlessly clean.
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>>118178157
A lot of people think that Funi's survey was bullshit and they intended to do it 16:9 from the start because it's easier to 'clean up' 20% less of a frame. I kind of agree, since they never released any numbers.
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guy posting the before and after grains:

You are applying grain to heavily. Ease up a bit and it'll be perfect.
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>>118178231
Yeah, Disney started adding basic CGI into the movies with B&B. I don't know if they did anything like that for Little Mermaid. The rip I have of that is pretty poor.
I'd be interested to see more of Don Bluth's movies from the 80s on BD, too. I know All Dogs Go To Heaven looks fantastically grainy. I haven't seen any others, yet.
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>>118178157
People are retarded, this isn't news.
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>>118178265
Conspiracy time.

>>118178092
There's always something wrong with a Funi release, no doubt about that.
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>>118178298

Mermaid was still film, I watched it last year and it's several hours of extras.
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>>118178186
I had no idea aladdin's backgrounds looked like that. Or that the lines had that kind of texture to them. This is blowing my mind.
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>>118178283
I'd rewatch Hanasaku Iroha with grain. It would fit the show's atmosphere perfectly.
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>digital film grain
disgusting plebs.
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>>118178370
>Toei will never do a 1080p Dragon Box for the 30th anniversary

Even if they did, they'd probably DNR the shit out of it.
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>>118178472

They've been doing that shit with a bunch of their old 70s/80s movies and shows. Galaxy Express 999 looks awful.
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>>118178503
That's because it was upscaled.
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>>118178472
>vlc

Is there even any untampered version of Dragon Ball available? I've been meaning to rewatch it for 10+ years now but I always assumed the pussified version was all that was left
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I'm still in shock over what Viz did to Sailor Moon.
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>>118178407
I would have loved it with grain the first time since i very rarely rewatch anything.
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>>118178552
How does that happen?
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>>118178538

The movies were new transfers, but then they removed all the grain and it looks like a cheap plastic mess.
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>>118178549
Yeah, VLC, etc etc.

If you have HD space, there's a complete set of ISOs floating around the torrents/usenet of the Dragon Ball Dragon Box with subtitles patched in. And a set of the Funi Dragon Box Z ISOs to go with that.

Otherwise, your only hope of Dragon Box encodes is the Utsukushii-Raws set of Dragon Ball (has subs), and the DBNL Dragon Box Z rip.
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>>118178549
What do you mean by tampered and pussified? The Funi DVD sets are actually really good, they're uncensored and they didn't crop it to widescreen or anything. Only problem with it is the terrible white balance
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>>118178552
It's honestly one of the biggest fuckups in the history of fuckups. I'm shocked that the video engineer was like 'yeah looks good' and even more shocked that shit got through QC.
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>>118178738
That's a Dragon Box screencap anon. Funi's DB sets are slightly zoomed, yellowed, and DNR'd.

You are right about the white balance thing though. Toei did zero color correction on the DBox.
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>>118178662
Thanks.

>>118178738
Last I heard, they digitally removed shit like blood and all the sexual stuff from Dragon Ball.
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>>118178772

It's not like they were releasing 200 episodes at once, it was just 23 in that set.
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>>118178552
Any more of this?
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>>118178916
Nah, Funi hasn't done any censored DVDs since 1999. The dub does partially censor some dialogue though. They completely omit General Blue being gay.
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>>118178821
Shit, you're right. I watched it before I knew anything about anything so I assumed it was a good release. Pic related, looks like shit.

>>118178916
Yeah, back when it was on TV. The DVD releases are uncut.
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>>118178925
It's one of the worst looking home video releases ever, let alone that it's on blu-ray for fuck's sake
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>>118178549
read the manga
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>>118179158
This anon is right, I remember fapping to Bulma's tits on DVD like 10 years ago at least
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>>118179213
Funi seems to be working with a digibeta source for DB, which is why their DVDs look the way they do and there hasn't been a BD announcement yet. Z they have film scans for, which as you can see from up in the thread haven't been used very well either.

Whereas the Dragon Boxes for all three series were based on the original film. Funi needs to get their hands on more of those.
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>>118178925

Here's a rant about it by a guy who actually remasters footage:

http://www.kentaiblog.com/2014/11/lying-evily-by-moonlight-viz-defends.html?zx=4aacd0e81a59ca96


Sadly, lots of fans are going "Y-you guys are just entitled babies who like to whine! You're all just videophiles because us NORMAL people don't see anything wrong with it!"
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>>118179538
I never understood this. Someone told me I was picky because I said the DBZ orange bricks looked like ass. Sorry I don't support a shitty release, buddy.
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>>118179538

>Straight from McDonald's mouth: "All I can tell you is that what you're seeing in terms of blended frames is not part of the post-production process."

>"We're like, video passion on steroids here! That's how addicted we are to getting the best possible imagery..." she continues on the ANNCast. "I don't think there's a lot of ground we can cover by pointing to this or that image and saying, this is the right image, that's the right image... I can tell you without a doubt that myself and ten videophiles sit with me, 20 hours a day, working on this material know, and are providing Charlene and our Neon Alley folks with the images that we have access to."

>"As a videophile yourself", Zac Bertschy asks, "Do you look at this and say: Okay, this is as good as this show can look?"

>"You know, my feeling about it is I'm really happy with what we did to it, based on what we had to work with. I'm thrilled with it... these issues don't trouble because I don't think they make the product in any way less - I know the love and care we put into it. So am I happy with it? I am happy with it... I'm completely over the moon with it, if you must know!"

>Zac later asks: "So fans who pre-ordered this set and get their copy in the mail. They aren't happy with the video quality. What do you suggest that they do?"

>Charlene has an answer on that front: "Of course we take all feedback very seriously, but that's... It's up to everyone to decide what they want to do with what they bought. Given - to echo Julie's point - given what we had to work with, that's how it was able to turn out with everyone working on it, so, we just don't have any news on that at this time."


THESE PEOPLE ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKING LIARS I HAVE EVER SEEN
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>>118177490
The original show will probably not be that great since there was lots of QUALITY anyway, but holy shit EoE is gonna be the best BD ever if they pull it off right.
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>>118179979
Holy shit, all that damage control.
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>>118172398
Nice grain you got here.

What the fuck are these new captcha?
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>>118180178

They might do a LOTGH and redraw a bunch of shots.
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>>118180369
>they redo all the mecha scenes with CG
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>>118180411
They'll also CGI Mari into the background of the scenes with Yui.
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>>118179265

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Sailor-Moon-Season-1-Part-1-Blu-ray/104036/#Review
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>>118180240

Yeah, you could tell Zac really wanted to press the issue harder and they wanted none of it. I mean shit, I thought it'd look awful just because it was an upscale of old ass masters and they were going crank up the contrast and wash out even more detail, who would have guess they'd have OTHER unrelated video issues on top of that.
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>>118177200
CPM discs were fucking garbage. I almost felt bad about donating my old Utena discs to the library.
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>>118180664
CPM: NOT EVEN ONCE
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>>118179979
So in other words, Viz got shit masters. Meanwhile French DVDs are fine and an actual JP BD in a few years will look like it should. We aught to be used to the NA market getting consistently dicked over like this.
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>>118180881

If that's the case, then how come everyone else in the world is getting a good video release except for the English-speaking countries? Mexico, France, Germany, Italy, etc. all managed to get the good masters from Toei, why was Viz unable to?

They've lied before about the quality of the JP DVD releases with their doctored screenshots, who's to say they didn't lie again?
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>>118180832
Still an improvement from the old asf files I got from WinMX. On a 14-inch screen you can't tell the difference -- being an ignorant 17 y/o didn't help matters.

Don't get me started on how much I paid for the last third of the show...

>from the totally unrelated position of some other good show
Gets me every time.
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Bluray scans of handpainted cels with grain intact gets me sexually excited
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>>118181038

>There will never be a magical BD release of an older work with the actual cels rescanned.
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