A very good series, set in a fascinating world that I'd really like to see more of. It unfortunately suffered from some pacing issues near the middle, and it would have been better if they hadn't pushed the "moe" angle so much and had been more consistent with the atmosphere and tone; however, these flaws weren't too serious, and it was still quite enjoyable overall.
OP here, as a followu-up, I just want to say that I felt the series was quite good. Not perfect, but pretty good. The compassion/humanity aspect was hammed up a bit too much for my liking (seriously, everyone they meet aside from the major at the end is like some shining paragon of human virtue), and there was the Kanata-holding-her-pee episode and all, but I didn't feel that those things detracted too much from it, and it was overall a really nice experience.
It's the kind of slice-of-life I really want to see become more popular, where you see the slice of an unusual life in an unusual setting. It transcends suspension of disbelief and becomes immersive because the whole setting is so interesting and nice that I actively wanted to believe in it, and I wanted to know all of the little details that made it work.
It's not perfect because the writing isn't perfect. You can really see the weaknesses in the narrative aspect, and the main script guy is a terrible writer as is clearly evidenced from his other works. But man, they made an amazing world.
I only watched two episodes of it - couldn't stand the main girl and the twintails chick and didn't care for the rest of the cast. The OST and atmosphere was breathtaking though but I'm not sure it's worth it to watch an entire series for that alone.
It was okay. OP, did you catch the ghost in ep. 2?
Don't diss Kureha!
Look, here she is being a cat!
I actually really like the writing. There's no way I'd call it perfect, but I thought the story was quite good. Most of it rides on the strength of the characters, the world-building, and the philosophy it presents rather than on having a gripping or intriguing plot, though.
Azunyan and Kureha look similar to each other.
Nico and Kureha are basically identical.
>Kureha is a bad character.
She is actually my least favorite of the five main girls. I don't think she's a bad character, though.
I do agree that OST is top tier. The story was really good too. SoL isn't for everyone, though.
I actually just rewatched episode 12 today. I cried bitch tears when Yumina was telling the story of the fire maidens while Servante du Feu was playing in the background, and again when Kanata played Amazing Grace.
I fucking love it.
>She is actually my least favorite of the five main girls. I don't think she's a bad character, though. >>
Well, I think she's the least interesting and most poorly written character in the series, and therefore I think she's a bad character.
I liked some of the faces she made though.
>crying over chinese cartoons
I only teared up a little
I rewatch every few months, usually accompanied by good alcohol.
>he didn't cry
You're a little bitch.
Only scene I've ever cried bitch tears in is the one when Filicia is in the old parking garage and starts hallucinating.
And I mean it's the only scene I've cried in in any anime.
I would never call a character bad simply because they were the worst member of the cast. But I guess if you didn't like the characters to begin with it makes sense.
Why didn't they just fight?
They have some fucking super tank that literally didn't even get scratched by the other tank weapons. They probably could've killed every single soldier there.
By the way, is anyone else getting some weird captcha?
It's a great series with interesting stuff all over the place. All them cultures and history. Okay the townspeople were kind of odd at times, but nothing's perfect.
The first episode left me speechless, I mean they even put in a french song in there which totally did fit in the story and title, that's something impressive imho.
I just think that the strength of the show is all in direction and presentation, and that the script was the weakest point. I think if you took the team and put them on a more capable sophisticated script, the show would've been perfect. As it stands, it's merely amazing.
There's just some things that don't jive. Pacing problems and the wrong balance of tone between whacky gangster antics and trying to expose tragic backstories, simplistic characters that rely too heavily on sticking to archetypes without enough interesting foibles, and a limp narrative that doesn't have the time or development it needs.
Like the ending was fucking amazing. One of my favorite endings ever with Kanata playing Amazing Grace. So cliche, but so perfect for the story. But that entire scenario was set up so clumsily. If the show had subtly built up to that moment better by better establishing the framework of the narrative, it could've been even better.
I bet if it wasn't for Kanata stopping the fight, Filicia would have stomped the fuck out of both armies.
Sing along ;_;
Amazing grace! (how sweet the sound)
That sav'd a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears reliev'd;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believ'd!
Thro' many dangers, toils, and snares,
I have already come;
'Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far,
And grace will lead me home.
>Okay the townspeople were kind of odd at times
You would be too if you were living in a Spanish town full of French people who make Venetian glassware on Switzerland's French border.
I see where you're coming from. When I first watched this show I thought to myself, "if it had been written just a little differently it would be the best anime ever."
Even so, I actually like things with imbalanced tone. I think it has to do with my personality; I try to find humor all the time, even when I'm sad, so I'm willing to accept a story that goes from one to the other quite quickly.
You complained about the characters but I think they're one of the show's strongest points. Most of them are sort of generic moe archetypes. But they are generic moe archetypes with opinions about politics, religion, and philosophy, all controversial issues that wars have been fought over in the real world. That's what set them apart from, say, the characters in K-On!
The build up to the ending and the plot in general, I agree on. As it is the show has no plot until the last two episodes, but I think the whole war scenario could have been worked in more seamlessley and expanded on. In particular, I wish something had come of the scene where Kureha asks Kanata if she would've been willing to kill someone. A big part of Filicia's character is that she tries to look after and protect the three youngest girls, and I think Kanata eventually having to actually fight and kill someone could have made an interesting addition to the plot, as well as serving as a sort of "acknowledgement of the other side" in a story that is by and large anti-violence.
The ending was literally custom tailored to fit with the tone and message of the entire series, which is that even if the world seems shitty sometimes, life is still worth living and is even wonderful.
The one thing I like the most about the series is how they never explain anything of what happened during the apocalypse. Most of the background information and setting is presented to you rather than explained in detail. This puts you in the same shoes as the characters, since they do not know exactly what happened either, but accepts the world as is and lives in it.
It's never actually clear whether or not they kill him in the tank battle. He runs up to them and they stomp him to the ground and then an avalanche falls and pushes his tank out of the way.
When I first watched the show I assumed he had survived, but the truth is I have no idea.
Obviously giant laser-shooting dragons attacked humanity and nearly wiped us out.
But there's also elements in the show the audience understands that the characters themselves do not. In Filicia's flashback episode, she comes upon a dead soldier and his last message written in Japanese. Even though Filicia cannot read it, the audience can, and they can get an idea of what had happened in the past.
Premise of the series was there's plenty of life in the backwaters you're assuming are lifeless.
A finale based on outsiders penetrating that was shit. Everything is about the surprisingly vibrant town and its vibrant people. Until suddenly it's not.
>Obviously giant laser-shooting dragons attacked humanity and nearly wiped us out.
Dragons don't have feathers.
I refuse to believe that you're being serious right now.
I liked it, the show had a lot of heart and love put into it. Sadly I'm not sure they could really do much more with it after the conclusion they reached but I would have liked it if they spread it out a bit further and expanded on the setting/characters some more.
Ok anonymous the show was about fiddling as the Titanic goes down or whatever else literally happened on screen.
It was totally not about subverting the cosmopolitan nips and their surface deep societal judgments about people.
I have never seen a dragon with feathers or ones that shoot lasers, so they must not exist.
I love this song.
Most realistic depiction of military life and PTSD in an anime.
It's all about subverting expectations. Haven't you read anything else from the country about the city dweller transplanted to the countryside?
SnW is in the same vein as that to a T. The only exception is Rio and unfortunately the show ends with her macro level nonsense.
The second ova tries to fix this by making it about her personal feelings and ambitions but it's too late.
The bad guy of the last 3 episodes was pure evil and could have been written to where he wasn't just a war crazy lunatic. Or they could have given a good reason for him to be a racist war crazy lunatic, like some kind of back story to justify his blood lust.
Yeah. Anyone who thinks its just military k-on really should give it a second thought. As much as I despise slice of life its a really fine military drama.
>He doesn't like piss.
Stream should be on the 3rd at 19:00 GMT.
This might change slightly as we come closer to the set date.
>downloading the ost
>ETA 12 hours
la souffrance est réelle
Cute Japanese and European
teenage girls, wearing Wehrmacht uniforms, exploring a Japanese school
in a Spanish town full of French people who make Venetian glassware on
Switzerland's French border, in a country that has a soldier princess
playing Amazing Grace on a trumpet, following a Shinto-Christian
religion with a miko-nun, treating tropical diseases only children get,
accepting yen as currency while not being able to read kanji,
celebrating Spanish traditions mixed with Chinese New Years legends,
shooting at African owls (that try to keep them away from schoolgirl
ghosts) with German rifles, being led by a traumatized commander who is
afraid of lightning, tricking Italian mobsters to keep them from moving
in on the girls' bootlegging operation which finance their paycheck and
supplies, playing war games with a nun and getting pissed drunk, pissing
themselves and becoming baby factories for the Pope, creating
biological weapons while still little kids and killing thousands, all
while at war with German-speaking brown-skinned Americans with bindis on
females' foreheads from a Roman Empire lead by the Pope that follows a
monotheistic religion that believes in the Judgment Day, while piloting a
finally fixed multi-legged, demon-slaying, weather-reporting,
stealth-sniper and simulation training mode capable, AMAZING GRACE
SINGING, Engrish-speaking, talking like a SPESS MEHREEN,wall-climbing,
200mm coil gun-firing "son of the god of fire" supertank from the past
no thanks I'll just let it download overnight
>deutschland and el salvador bro just bumped up their seeding to 18 KiB/s
I'm fine with the fetish and the episode tried to be just a straight comedic deal but it just wasn't funny nor if it was going for it, erotic. And I liked the comedy in the series. It was funny when it needed to especially that .5 episode when they did the mock war.
Was the first I anime I ever watched. Still my one my favourite of all. Rewatch it from time to time.
And Noel is still my waifu.
I hope we can all agree that the OVA was the best closure provided in any anime ever. I mean, I watched the KlK OVA right after it and it felt like a spit in the face in comparison
Say what again?
Is there yet another reason to revive my PSP?
I actually missed the angel wing in the reflection there the first time I watched it, so I'm glad we had this thread and I could see the speculah images.
I think she pissed herself, and I did like the episode.
Not even a urine fetishist.
Man, I get sad when I think about Rio having to go back to Roma someday and have sex with an old-ass emperor just to have his kids. Fuck ;_;
I hope she makes an airplane and flies the fuck away.
Why is this anime so depressing?
Why does she look so smug in this image? Did she just do anal?
The emperor is, and I quote from Rio, "a really nice guy."
She probably wants his crusty old cock. If that bothers you, fuck off to /u/.
>The emperor is, and I quote from Rio, "a really nice guy."
I know what she said. Doesn't mean she wants to pop his babies out.
>She probably wants his crusty old cock. If that bothers you, fuck off to /u/.
It's not about that. It's the tragedy of being a woman of royal blood, being destined to be forced into an arranged marriage that you wouldn't want for the good of the people, that makes me sad.
It's a good example of how some great music can make a show really good. I really liked the setting and characters but I don't think I would have loved it this much if it had an average soundtrack.
>you will never be stationed in a small peaceful village
>you'll never get to use bolt actions for real again
>WW2 uniforms/gear are outdated now, only tacticool counts
damn it ;_;
You're one of the first milfags to say so. Most of the others including vets, conscripts, etc. seem to have a lot of stories that are remarkably similar to moments from this show, including the piss ep and general boredom. I'm just a reservist from a country with a somewhat shitty defense budget, but a lot of stuff in the show feels familiar.
Especially drunken shenanigans and ruck marches.
On a different note, there should have been more winter episodes.
Semi automatic can be nice too.
Welfare queen here.
well not nowadays but my senpai told me that it was more fun back in the days.
Now it's a professional army(no fun allowed) since conscription becomes rare.
It didn't really get any more gay.
The army is gay enough to begin with, so grabbing another mans ass/package in a round of 'Gay-Chicken' won't change much, especially when he grabs back and you lose.
Also, didn't see this posted even though it's obligatory now.
The setting isn't intended to limit it's applicability to that setting.
It's just the quest for your own meaning and happiness. The setting is only a frame to allow that to be told.
SnW isn't really deep. It's meaningful and relevant. Pretty much all the philosophical points the show tries to make are stated outright.
If it made you think deeply about things, that's great.
It's not limited to that, but it definitely applies to such a scenario because that's the world they live in.
>SnW isn't really deep. It's meaningful and relevant. Pretty much all the philosophical points the show tries to make are stated outright.
Obfuscation is not proportional to profoundness.
Flilicia and Noel have PTSD.
Kureha and Rio have dead parents.
One of the images above says Kanata has dead parents as well but I don't remember that being made clear in the show.
Yes. If anything, the opposite. Any idiot can be hard to understand while discussing difficult topics.
To use an analogy: a lake or pond may be deep, or shallow; and it may be clear, or murky. But a clear pool cannot pretend to be deeper than it is.
Cute young things
she drunkenly abuses every month.
People that see how religion divides are clueless about the monumental work it's done to unite.
Or you can be like Dawkins and realize it but deny its necessity in modern times. Enjoy your identity politics.
I don't think profoundness and depth are the same thing either, though. I'd say depth would refer to how much detail something goes into with regards to philosophical implications.
I was starting to write a post about how Sora no Woto doesn't really go into much detail when I realized that I was wrong. It has several major themes - enjoying the wonder of life, the common bond of humanity, and the power of music being the main ones I can name off the top of my head. And it manages to offer up what I'd consider the most powerful counterargument to all of these - death, suffering, and violence - yet still make what I felt was a compelling case for optimism and acceptance of people who are different from yourself.
Although if I didn't know about real-world incidents such as >>118157239 I might have thought it was sappy tripe.
I would think depth is about how much you get out of giving extra thought to something. So if something seems to offer up many angles for discussion and analysis, it's deep, whereas something that just doesn't have any aspects worth talking over or thinking through isn't deep. Complexity would be related to this, of course. More stuff going on means more stuff to think about.
Maybe this isn't quite what most people use it to mean, though.
Interesting. Honestly, unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, then by that definition of deep Sora no Woto is one of the deepest anime I've ever seen due to the setting alone and how much effort went into constructing it.
But I think the "depth" of a work as you've defined it has at least as much to do with the viewer as with the show itself. A devoted fan could take pretty much any statement in the show as a starting point for discussion.
That's a very good point, I'll have to think about it. It seems similar to the same discussion about what's meant by "good," where we can imagine some people liking even the worst shows, but don't usually want to say that "good" and "bad" are therefore meaningless.
And yes, I'd say SnW is pretty deep, though I'm not sure we know enough about the backstory to make a good discussion of it. S2 when, etc.
If you know the supposed origin of this image then you'd know Hitler would be an angel in comparison
Winter Seize truly is best Seize.
>you will never be stationed in a small peaceful village
What i'd give to retire in Switzerland and live the rest of my life surrounded by milsurp in a little house in the mountains.
I could die with no regrets.
Angel of the show, followed by Felicia.
This show was excellent, and its fanbase is excellent.
Despite this, I've only watched it twice. Both times, when I got to the last episode, I felt hollow and incapable of doing anything for days. The feels hit me too hard with this one, bros.
Odd, I was left very much - lightened? - by it. It's hopeful and sweet and sort of "this too shall pass."
>not watching for the feels
There is no board for you. Go, and wander the earth in shame.
>you will never, ever, ever, get drunk with the wotos
There's literally no point in going on.
You can always drink the pain away.
I loved every second of it. Fuck Japan and their shitty tastes.
One of the things that made SnW grab me like it did was how much I liked the setting. I've always been a fan of backwaters and more rural areas, and seeing the way the girls interact with the locals, how they live their lives in this place that's old-school and in the middle of nowhere just makes me so happy in a lot of ways that I can't describe.
It's always been my dream to live somewhere like that.
Dandere a best.
Far too similiar to pic related to not be considered an amazing work of fiction.
It's about a group of soldiers forgotten by their own country during WWII in a stranded Greek island.
They spend years living there with the locals, constantly worrying about how the war is coming along and meanwhile doing goofy everyday routine and enjoying life.
And, of course, feels. Quality feels
Frog here, I was surprised when i heard it for the first time.
Same thing happened in jormungand.
It really fits what the show is trying to say.
He's very fleshed out.
Even if we know nothing about him, his actual reasoning are very solid and slightly shortsighted.
He knows that the world is going to shit.
Both his side and his enemies are rallying up forces during the peace talk. He just wants to hit first because it will inevitably end in war.
It's a very cynical approach but very understandable.
They never outright mention directly why he's doing what he's doing but it's very understandable considering his past actions and what is left in the world.
Watching this after Patlabor is probably gonna be pretty narly. They share some themes (people in uniform are actual people like in real life, instead of idealized, infallible badass heroes). SnW definitely has the capacity to be more depressing though, even though your own personal views and philosophies will shape the way you feel in the end.
I enjoyed it greatly, I watched it two or three winters ago and it just had the right atmosphere for the time. It's not a series you see everyday, was something a bit different yet felt so familiar. Good show.
>They never outright mention directly why he's doing what he's doing
He says it pretty clearly when Filicia has him hostage: war accelerates the pace of technological development, which might be used to combat the ecological crisis facing all of humanity.