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>we're now witnessing the dying moment of 2D anime and

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>we're now witnessing the dying moment of 2D anime and the dawn of 3D anime at the same time

How does this make you feel?
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Still doesn't look 2D enough to replace 2D.
Traditional 2D has at least 10 years of life left in it.
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>>117600063
>>117600279
it will eventually transit, as 3D animation need less budget.

high budgets series will still use 2D but most of the work load will become 3D
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It kind of sucks, but at the same time it means Miyazaki's lifework will have been for naught.
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>>117600460
>it will eventually transit
I'm not denying that, just watched short peace, this shit is the future.
But not yet.
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>>117600593
there is also arpeggio, not perfect but works well enough
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>>117600593
some thing do should stay 2, hair for example, shit is awful on 3DS
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>angela ballsack
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Hopefully it makes independent anime possible.
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>>117600063
I really like this movie even though I could only understand less then a third of it and it subs will probably never happen in our lifetime. But I think it only looked so good due to the budget blue steal looked nasty, hill climb girl couldn't even look good for less then 10 minutes and don't even get me started on that series about the woods girl or whatever fuck its about, I almost threw up from the trailer. like >>117600593 said CGI still has a long way to go
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>>117600063
Whenever I see 3DCG I always wish I could see a hand drawn version.
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>>117600768
>Indi anime longer than some shorts

The possibilities are endless
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>>117600063
That looks fucking disgusting. Way too over the top.
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>>117600768

Pic related isn't indie. Animating for long periods time unless you're using full on CG models is really time consuming, which is why all of those independent hentai tend to look awful except the rare few.
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>>117600063
>I got 3 dimensions but a nose ain't 1
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Let's post some good CG scenes here

Takao is love
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>>117601107
Gif unrelated, right?
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>death of 2D

There's a huge market for 2D anime. Just replacing it with 3DCGI would make a huge part of the viewers just go away, so that's why the animation studios never done it and I think they're never going to do it.
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>>117601214
>There's a huge market for 2D anime

Which is promised to disappear in the future?

Just explain me in detail how on earth 2D anime is going to cope with the future in which thing like pic related in common and used for almost every sort of visual entertainment
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>>117600063

2D isn't dying, and why are shitposting, are you trying to make people hate 3dcg even more?
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I think CG looks good if effort is put into it but lets be real here. That just doesn't happen enough. Imagine all the QUALITY we have now with just 2D. Now imagine all the CG QUALITY which if you ask me looks even fucking worse.
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>>117601295
The same way it copes with being on TV, those things are just screens really close to your face
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>>117601340
So what you're saying is that it will just upgrade its screen size and quality so that people can watch at a point-zero distance from their eyes and hope them not to feel anything weird about it being so flat? I don't think so.
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>>117600460
>as 3D animation need less budget.
Shit 3D animation needs less budget, sure.
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>>117601295
You're starting with a wrong assumption. You don't know how the future will be, or how it will affect some industry. If you watched the market trends, you'd know that the vr head gear never bloomed, despite being around for some time. Also, cgi is hated by the anime watchers. If anything, there's a market for even a better 2D animation and a higher fps. Just imagine seeing something 2D animated at 60fps.
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>>117600063
3D as in 3D models? like cad models? as long as they do it right i dont have a problem but from all the examples i have seen its pretty hard for people to make quality anime using 3D processes compared to the quality you get from the 2D "hand drawn" processes. Most of it is still computer processed anyway so i think as long as they get it smooth and the GET THE FUCKING SHADOWS RIGHT then it should be fine
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>>117600768
>rooster teeth

They fucked that right up, RWBY is horrible to watch with the shitty movement and models they are using. they had a great idea but just didnt put enough time into finding a good 3D posing software to use or have talented people do it

1/10
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>>117601191
thank you that actually caught me off guard and made me laugh
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>>117600063
terrible
I'll feel better when the 3d stops looking like shit
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>>117601295
THE FUTURE
"man i love this new anime you only get 3 hours of motion sickness after watching 1 episode its so good"
3d projection is where the future will be and you can make 2d images 3d capable for projection easy as fuck. If you think headsets are the future of 3d you are kidding yourself
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>>117601656
>great idea
lol

The music is pretty good though.
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>>117600768
>tfw people think Season 2 is any good
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>>117600768
Low framerate 2D has infinitely more charm than shoddy 3d models moving robotically
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>Hill Climb Girl

I think 2-D is safe for a while
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>>117601107
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>>117601720
>lol

Stop posting.
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>>117601827
stop shitposting
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>>117601495
>Just imagine seeing something 2D animated at 60fps.

We have and you can keep your flac-esque pseudo quality.
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>>117600063
Any subs for this yet?
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>>117600063
wat anime is this
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>>117602191
>>117602265
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>>117602304
thats a video game
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>>117601656
I'm 100% Monty is using MikuMikuDance and After Effects on this. Then when he tries to make it more anime it looks more shitty.
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>>117602304
fuck you vn girl.
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>>117600460
>as 3D animation need less budget.
Please provide your evidence for such a statement.
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3D animation still looks grainy, robotic and choppy as fuck unless you add in more work to it.

2D animation still has it going for another 5-8 years at least.

And I've yet to see 3D animation that can do 2D faces absolute justice.
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>>117601723

Was season 2 that bad? I stopped watching when I was being suffocated under generic teenage romance garbage.
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>3D animation
3D is 3D is 3D. That is, it's all fuckin shit, 3DPD
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>>117601331
one of the advantages of cg is that it's never off model. making it look good is only a matter of technology.
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the future looks bright
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>>117603477
That looks terrible.
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>>117603555
You bought a vita
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Every day until subs.
Fansubing is dead edition.
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>>117603625
>fansubbing 3DCG garbage

Fansubbing has good taste and is alive.
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>>117603625
Fuck off, nobody likes your threads faggot.
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>>117603625
It has been two weeks and still not subs.
What the fuck people?
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>>117600703
If I recall, the cutscenes in fire emblem awakening were cg but they had a pretty 2D feel to them.
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>>117601295
btw, I own that Head Mounted Display and it's a piece of shit.
It's the reason I haven't invested in an Oculus Rift
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>>117603966
Based Asanagi. His art is always agreeable with my dick.
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it's just like watching some japan/fantasy vidya game cutscene.
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>these backward plebs
>still looking at media player HMDs when VR HMDs are the new hotness
>still judging things by appearances
>mfw I have a DK2 and I as well as all of my friends fucking love it

I don't see 3D or VR anime as viable any time soon though. That stuff is probably far off by at at least 5 years.
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>>117603966
>>117604124
>>117603625
>This shill again
I didn't even know marketing on /a/ was possible until I saw your pointless fucking threads
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>>117604254
It is not marketing.
It is reminding people about AOTY.
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Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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>>117604300
>Threads barely reach 30 posts
>Half of which are anons telling you to fuck off
>AOTY
I've seen it raw and it's shit. You're marketing to the wrong audience, I suggest moving to leddit.
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>>117604233
>still judging things by appearances

Appearance is everything in visual media what the fuck are you saying.

>>117604254
It's the same shit with Me!Me!Me! threads.

I don't know who in their right mind is paying these assholes to try marketing here, but holy shit I certainly want them checked into a mental facility and away from a goddamn paycheck as soon as possible.
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>>117604402
>>117604441
Go away. Nobody wants your shit taste here.
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>>117602951
It was better than the first season and Joel, (Professor Thermos), brought better stability to the voice cast, but it tragically suffered from an organized dance segment
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>>117604461
So how much are you being paid? Is it a special deal with Urobutcher?
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>>117602635
It's actually true. With 3D animation you put more time and effort in the pre-production stage, but it's made up by the time and money you save during the production itself. Not having to do in-betweens and redraw characters makes you save a LOT of time, and money.

>>117603374
Nope. Making it look good is a matter of technology, and SKILL.
Japanese 3D animation often looks like shit not only because of the models (and making a good well-rigged models takes skill too), but mostly because a lot of 3D animators don't know shit about 2D animation. Thus when they animate they do it without understanding everything that makes an animation good looking and end up making ugly, choppy animations.
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>>117602635

Once you create an asset, it exists in X Y Z 360DEG.

If you create it using subdivision & vector textures, it will also exist perfectly no matter how far you zoom in or out (within reason).

Once you make animations they are there. You can load them and recycle them.

I could list things for pages, but you get the idea.
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>>117604482
>brought better stability to the voice cast

Does that mean anything when the voice cast is literal garbage?
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>>117604461
You first faggot.
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>>117604441
So if you never used a microwave before and you thought microwaves looked stupid, then you would never use one? I know that's probably not what you're implying though. What I was saying was that unless you've done the proper research AND have the proper experience with things, you should not judge them. In this case, it would be the Oculus Rift, because it isn't even in the same category of devices as the Sony HMD. It's like comparing apples to peanuts. However if you had compared the Sony Morpheus with the Rift instead, it would have been fair.
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90 percent of the reason I like anime is because I like 2D animation.
When 3D CG becomes the norm, I'll just stop, and work on my backlog.
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>>117601107
>good cg
>in anime
doesn't exist

>>117601783
disgusting
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>>117604512
I thought Michael, Monty, and the rest of the professors were fine, the main four and Miles not so much... Miles is easily the most irritating person at the company and they put him in EVERYTHING.
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>>117604461
>gets called out for being a shill
>Y-you just have bad taste!
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>>117601348
>3dcg
>looks like a dude cosplaying
no thanks
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Post well animated 3DCG dances.

http://youtu.be/vpYkz5WU1Vg
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>>117604593
>When 3D CG becomes the norm, I'll just stop, and work on my backlog.

Same here.
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>>117604233
>>still judging things by appearances
it's a visual medium you dipshit
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>>117604461
I love this pic. It looks like shit but you keep posting it.
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>>117600063
3D will never replace 2D as in looking the same and if you think that you have no idea what makes 2D animation work, remember that we are talking animation as in movement and not drawing, sure 3D models might look like 2D eventually but sayin that it will replace 2D is like saying apples will turn to oranges, now if it will replace it as another medium for telling stories on tv it depends on the japanesr market and what will they give their money to, the only reason it got popular in the west in because it got monopolized by big companies and everyone had to follow.
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>>117604734
>>117604659
Whatever.
Its your loss.
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>>117604707
While I think Miyazaki is just a bitter old coot, I can't help but empathize with him.
2D animation just has personality, while 3DCG is just flat and boring.
Even the worst 2D animation can look better than mediocre 3D.
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>>117604713
>falling back on ad hominem just because you can't understand the semantics
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>>117601874
but anon, if that happened we wouldn't have a board anymore
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>>117604786
>misusing the term ad hominem
>misusing the term semantics
I guess I was right, you really are a dipshit
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>>117604786
lmao dude
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>>117604759
>3d fag getting this assblasted
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>>117604885
Nah.
I cannot be bothered to argue with people who have no taste.
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>>117604759
>Losing shit
>A bad thing
That's not how it works anon
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>>117600460
>3D animation need less budget
I'm interested in where you got this information.

Production costs:
2D:
Princess Mononoke: $20M
Spirited Away: $19M
Akira: $11M
Ponyo: $34M

Prices has been adjust for inflation.

Now for a barebones budget 3D CGI movie
Digital Monster X-Evolution: $25M
That is without Cel shading/toon shading is more difficult, time consuming and costly than you think.

>>117604510
Ok lets talk purely about assets. Let's put it this way if I suddenly take the characters on a field trip and want to show them in the bus traveling through the countryside, I would have to make a whole bunch of assets for just the one scene.

Asset creation is a long process and you have to think on if you are going to recycle them enough to be worth the time. That is why many of the 3D CGI you see is in anime are people hosing while the rest are still in 2D.

Studios do make conscious decision on 3D vs 2D, if 3D had no downfalls then all anime would be 3D already.
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>>117604918
It's not an argument when you've been blown the fuck out at every avenue mr marketer.

Face it, nobody likes your shit, get the fuck out.
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>>117604918
Yet you keep responding
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>>117604964
And you still live in your petty illusion.
I pity your sad life. You seem to have lost ability to enjoy nice things.
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the anime style really doesn't work in 3d, everything looks misshapen and awkward
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>>117604982
Responding is fun though, especially BECAUSE it's bait. You don't actually believe people don't like shitposting and being shitposted at do you?
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>there are actual shills on /a/ right now
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He also visited other boards if you care to see the responses he got from there.
>>>/ic/1899599
>>>/3/452213
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>>117604845
>>117604812
>samefag
>obviousness
Please post some actual quality bait to keep the discussion going.
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>>117604987
Run out of shit to post mr shill?
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>>117605055
wrong, moron
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>>117605058
I have tons of images to post.
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>>117605058
But he's not even a shill.
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>>117605078
>still thinking screencaps mean anything at all
>still thinking being called a samefag matters at all
>still not replying with real bait
I don't want to have to get meta on this.
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When Japan can match the quality of 15-year-old Pixar movies, then sure.
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>>117605125
>implying that wasn't the bait
you've been meta'd friendo
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>>117605169
>implying we've not been baiting each other all along
I don't mind baiting, but my the effort that goes into one pleases my dick.
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>>117605186

>that head
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>>117605210
What head?
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>>117605204
it's like endless kage bunshin no jutsu's fighting each other :^)
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>>117604925

3D already makes use of 2D set pieces a lot. I mean a whole lot. To assume you would need to create new 3D models for everything just isn't true.

But yeah lets say you want to take the characters on a field trip.

You can randomly generate the classmates, and all the main characters will have already been made obviously.

You can... while I'm typing this I'm thinking of so many shortcuts you could take with CG, I don't even want to bother typing them.

Let's put it this way. If I wasn't poor right now and could afford the $185/mo 3D program I used to use. I could make that scene you are talking about in few hours.

Granted I would use already made assets, but what studio wouldn't have already made those in the first place?
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>>117605264
>naruto
Not this shit again. Might as well be dubs.
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I'm actually cautiously optimistic about the whole CG thing, I'm hoping it's a matter of time until someone manages to create something that looks as good as 2D and if that happens things will change drastically. We'll start seeing a lot of longer shows, more seasons than before since if you already have the assets in place it's just a matter of recombining the pieces so production prices should lower. I even hope they'll eventually manage to make real time rendering look good and with a VR HMD we might see some serious weeb shit unfold.
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>>117605301
*flash steps behind you*
you've been rused
*pulls your pants down*
psh... nothing personal... kid...
*jumps off into the sunset*
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What's going on in this thread?
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>>117605090
>still no Itano Circus .webm
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>>117605090
>What could have been
The 3d movie looks like fucking garbage compared to this
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>>117605408
We are just talking about AOTY and GOTY.
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>>117605360
>if you already have the assets in place it's just a matter of recombining the pieces so production prices should lower
Decent 3D costs a fuck lot more than conventional 2D, even if the assets are ready.
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>>117605397
>>117605186
>>117605090
>>117604987
>>117604918
>>117604759
>>117604461
>>117604300
>>117604124
>>117603966
>>117603625
>>117605434
Fuck me this is some next level marketing. Nobody gives a shit about your 3DPD film.
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>>117605360
Just look at what types of games and content Sony is pushing for their HMDs, like [email protected] or that new less 2D looking waifu simulator. Once we get memristor tech into the consumer market then we'll really be able to jump into the 2D world, kind of.
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The day 3D anime becomes standard is the day I kill myself.

It will never look the same or as good as 2D.
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>>117605471
It happens when nobody likes an anime and someone feels like they have to defend it being the worthless pieces of shit they are.
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>>117605291
So if you only had the characters, you suddenly have to create a souvenir shop for them to visit with items to buy, a clerk for them to interact with. What if they visited an aquarium for their day trip, animals and things for them to stare at.

All these one use assets just to build 1-2 minutes of story telling. I would love to see you do it in a couple of the hours, modeling, texturing, creating bones, adjusting the edge and composite maps for shade fall offs in just a few hours.
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>>117605471
Thank you for your compliment!
Here. Do you feel better now?
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>>117605485
I don't mind when its mixed together well, but 3DCG characters just look off.
Like Sidonia.
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>>117605434
>Those fucking 2004 textures
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>>117605485
Have fun with that while we're all enjoying being with our waifus. No seriously though, it's probably better to hold off judgement until it actually happens. Killing yourself is pretty srs bsns man, and anime can't be your whole life.
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>>117605462
SSD were expensive when no one used them.
I'm hoping that this will get bigger, a sudden influx in animators will drop the price along with increase in processing power lowering the rendering times.
I could be wrong but it seems to me that if everyone was doing it then it would become somewhat cheaper.
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>>117605539
Remember, he's cobbling together these from assets that someone already made since actually having to create assets knocks his argument on its ass.
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>>117605134
They exceeded Pixar 15 years before Pixar released them.
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>>117605471
To be fair when it does get subbed /a/ will probably post it to hell and back. Not looking forward to it. It's not even that good.
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>>117605543
>Resorting to ironic RP
This is fucking amazing
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>>117605549
3DCG with non-virtual budget looks fine with me.
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>>117605580
Oh? Where are all of Japan's pre-1985 3DCG movies, exactly?
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>>117605600
>characters looking like actual Asians

No thanks.
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>>117605596
Your mother never gave you enough love, did she?
I don't need to be a psychology expert to know there was something really wrong with your childhood.
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>>117605462

Don't confuse a CG game trailer like the WoW one that just came out, or something like Frozen, to something that's trying to emulate anime.

It's too entirely different things. Disney will spend 3 days rendering the perfect ice cube on a fleet of computers because they can.

An anime-esque CG anime isn't going to care about sweat physics, and how liquid interacts with the hand-sculpted pores, on the hand-sculpted chest, of the hand-sculpted model, that probably cost more than you car did in labor cost.
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The day that happens and 2D goes over to 3D is the day I grow out of anime. Hopefully the world will have ended by then
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>>117605634
That's actually a big problem with 3DCG and the Japanese. They make everyone actually look Asian instead of anime which makes them all look white. It was one of the reasons I disliked FFX so much. They all look so Asian.
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3d can look okay, but not 3d characters
those look terribad no matter what
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>>117605689
Fuck off whitey
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>>117600063
Did you guys ever watch the Gantz anime? I'm surprised how little it's brought up in 3D discussions. I know it's
>Gantz anime
but I think they did some really cool experimental stuff with the rotating camera/perspective and 3D scenery. It was neat, and it was really different. I liked it, and though I think 2D is best and should never be replaced, some 3D like this may be cool.
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>>117605634
God forbid you make the asian chick look asian right?
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>>117605814
Yes, exactly. If I wanted 3DPD, I'd watch 3DPD. Or Aku no Hana.
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>>117605772
He the author of the manga previous manga was done in 3D. Didn't do so well he sorted to drawing the faces on his characters and eventually ending it to make gantz.

He still uses 3D backgrounds for the manga though but felt with his wallet how painful it was to use it all the time.

Best use of 3D in anime right here
http://youtu.be/PJxPjUo5-cI
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>>117605929
Is English your second language, or did you edit part of your post then not fix everything? I was unable to understand what you are talking about.
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>>117606020
Sorry, english is my second language.
sorted = resorted, punctuation and grammar mistakes everyone.
Sorry.
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>>117600768
Then all the bad amateur shit will oversaturate everything! Brilliant!
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>>117605471

damn are you pissed off over someone who actively supports what he likes and actually posts /a/ related images.

your kind is more worthless that the ones that mindlessly spam or re-post threads, you just complain, that is all you do.

>IM ANGRY ABOUT THINGS
>WHY WONT YOU STOP POSTING THINGS
>I DONT LIKE YOUR SHOW
>NO ONE LIKES YOUR SHOW
>BAWWW
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>>117604765

That is some zen-ass shit coming from him. I wonder when he finally decided to mellow the fuck out.
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>>117605033
I'm getting a little scared.
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>>117600063
Very angry.
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>>117606134
It's fine. I am trying to learn Japanese and am terrible, so I have a lot of sympathy for people trying to learn English.

I understand you though. The 3D in the gantz anime was far from perfect, but I found it to be an interesting idea.
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>>117600063
I don't watch 3D-only anime because it looks like shit.
I can be forgiving if the studios don't make it stand out like sore thumb.
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>>117606235
He's such a self righteous Disney puppet faggot I can't take anything he says seriously.
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>>117605134
Even MODERN Pixar movies look like total shit compared to even simple uncolored flip-book sketch animation. Too bad normalfags are still completely obsessed with CGI for some reason.

If it somehow takes over anime then I have other hobbies to fall back on.
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>>117606391
>>117606235
Thanks for writing my thoughts in advance.
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>>117605772

Stardust Crusaders Ep1 showed me a nice 3D moment. When Holly follows the officers down the hall and the 'camera' turns the corner I popped a bit of a boner.
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I don't think this future. Maybe I should just quit anime
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>>117600959
You and me both. I really hope otakus don't encourage a trend of eventually dropping most 2D for 3DPD CGI.
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>>117600959
Some of the most painful shit is seeing the gorgeous 2D storyboards for Disney's current CGshit movies.

But goddamn, that's what SELLS. For some reason nobody wants to go to the theater to see a 2D-animated movie anymore. I just don't get it.
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>>117606579
>Disney's current CGshit movies.
if 3dcg anime was anything like frozen, i sure as hell would not mind
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>>117606579
Well, CG has the advantage of detail be in in terms of texture, lighting, or even sheer movement. It also allows for more flexibility in how a film is shot as there is more freedom of camera movement, so it can be shot like live-action and even more since it's completely virtual. Add all those traits together and it's easy to wow the audience.
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>>117606670
But Frozen cost 150 million to make. When will anime have that budget
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>>117606670
Frozen itself still looks terrible but its concept art and storyboards were nice.
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>>117606725
>Frozen itself still looks terrible
I'm not even a fan of it by any means, but how the fuck?
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>>117606579
>Disney's current CGshit movies.
I've hated this shit ever since Pixar started it.

That was before I even started to watch anime.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbAYLAbhyxc

CG animators are also looking into more stylized depictions of CGI, rather than the usual photorealistic style.
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>>117606914
Still looks like shit.

Also, dat Murrikkan theme.
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>>117603555
looks great.

>>117601315
looks not-so-great.
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>>117604593
This. 2d ftw.
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>>117603477
I wish I could find more of these.
They are still worse than 2D, but not so bad after all.
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>>117605033
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>>117605634
more like...
>cartoons looking like people
>defeating the purpose of an escape
>>
Imagine when the field of AI advances to the point of being able to draw anime. I find that actually very possible. You say a few things you need in the scene like characters, their expressions, what happens, etc, and using a only a few templates and designs that are drawn by hand, it will then animate and draw the scene with the same style.
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>>117606670
>>117606725
>le Pixarâ„¢ xD
>no ty
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I'm back. I'm sure everyone missed me!
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>>117607367
Just post more images.
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>>117606869
My nigga. I'd rather watch NGE four hours a day than watch any of that fugly shit.
>be me
>niece and nephew watch Finding Nemo daily
>I walk in the room to give them hugs before I realize what's on the TV
>HOARSE JEWISH GUY SCREAMING THE WORD "NEMO" LIKE A HUNDRED FUCKING TIMES AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS, OVER AND OVER
>"hey, Mom. I gotta go now....."
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>>117607409
If you wish.
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>>117607449
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>>117600063
Great.
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>>117608140
You now realize that this superior butt is 2D.
>>
I have to say, 3D's gotten much much much better in your average anime in the last 4 years alone.
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>>117607438
You seem to have posted on /a/ instead of on your blog, I only noticed because of the interesting story and the image showing your reaction through it all.
Hope this helps remind you best of luck at future posts, anon!
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>>117602340
AKTUALLY ITS A VN OR VISUAL NOVEL ITZ NOT AGAME BUT LITITRATURE
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Future of anime is not 3D, but stereo, realtime in -engine rendered anime where you can move around the scenes, rotate field of view and interact with objects.
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>>117608254
3D is great too.
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>>117608319
I don't think that's what would be called anime anymore. It would be called something else and perhaps it would be a similar name to anime, but it wouldn't be called anime. The probability of the term's meaning itself changing is low.
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I saw the first minute of Knights of Sidonia and dropped it. Fucking hate cg
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>>117608349
didn't the word anime come from "animation". so wouldn't the terms meaning already be quite inclusive.
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>>117608396
It becomes more than a simple animation when you add interactivity to it. At that point it would be an ungodly combination of videogame, anime, simulation, and everything in between. I don't think there's an actual term for those works of media that are being made, at least not one that everyone agrees on. For the time being what you're describing and what has been made are just simply being called experiences.
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>>117600063
It suck ass fuck you
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>>117600063
People who like 3D are the same people who like vector art. You're all shitty, and can't appreciate a textured, grainy line.
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>>117608500
What if you use grainy, textured lines in 4D?
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I'll just stop watching anime when it stops being hand animated at all.
Same thing I did with Western Animation god rest its ever superior soul.
>what background was wire frame traced 2 years ago is a complete textured model now
How time flies /a/. The frog is almost boiling. They're already rotoscoping over 3d models for main characters in action sequences. They're already not bothering to rotoscope over models of background characters opting instead to leave them in with a shitty cg texturing over them.
It's very nearly over.
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>>117601495
60fps anime is already a thing
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>>117608726
It's a shame it's not the norm, just like 1080p. And technology is already advancing far beyond that now.
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>>117608776
1080p and 60fps would be great if internet speeds could catch up.
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>>117608546
>when it stops being hand animated at all.

Hand animation has been the rare exception for a long time now. just because it isn't a 3D render doesn't mean it isn't CGI you know.
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>>117600063

Still no subs?
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>>117608821
It's no problem for me. I can download a 720p episode these days in a minute. I wouldn't mind waiting 5 minutes. Not even going to talk about streaming though, that shit has got some catching up to do.
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>>117604593
>.webm
>10s animation
>19min cheap limited animations

sasuga
>>
I assume you fags know the Angela model has been available for MMD for months, right?
>>
Most of the best art in anime is in backgrounds, scenery, etc.

Due to budget limitations CG will kill this.
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>>117608963
Yes and?
>>
You guys are acting as if 99% of anime has any real quality to it in the first place.

And that you won't continue to eat generic shit, whether it is CG or not.
>>
>>117608343
Nope.
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>>117608821
Murikans with their 3rd world internet...
>>
The future of moe.
>>
Shows like GuP, Blue steel or Sidonia wouldn't be possible with an anime tv budget.

After one episode of tank action would only have money for stilshots.
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>>117609171

What a coincidence. All three of those are shit.
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>>117609171
>wouldn't be possible with an anime tv budget
They would. We have plenty of them every season with same amount or even more action than in those, and they look immensely better.
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>>117609257
>>117609191
heh
>>
>more action than GuP

You don't need to be a key animator to see that the most CG cuts in GuP would be high-budget sakuga cuts.

>3D camera and character/tank movements
>not repeatable animation frames
>accurate tank movements

There is a reason why a tv anime with such an amount of mechanical animations didn't happen before GuP.
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>>117609257
Can you give me example from the recent seasons?
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>>117600063
the moment 2d dies is the moment i die
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>>117604017
>>117601295
http://vr.mkeblx.net/oculus-sim/

deactivate no-script, then press p and 4.

Oculus needs at least 2k (1440p) to reasonably kinda work immersively, 4k would be optimal and near-future proof at the least.

Current DK2 Models are 1080p.

Also 2D-Anime on 3D Devices look just like your 3DS-Screen without the Effect enabled. Since both pictures actually are the same, your brain just overlays them, like in pic related but without the effect.

Then again let's consider the next step being 3D-HMDs - stuff like pic related would be viable for animu producers. Don't expect it to go mainstream due to production TIME anytime soon though, it will be start-ups doing that.
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>>117609376
The Gunsmith Cats Chase scene is maybe the closest thing to the GuP cuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpkHkQ2Q_Xo

But it says a lot that in 30 years the amount of realistic mechanical animations could be put in a 30min youtube video.
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>>117609089
Yep.
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>>117609465
it just doesn't feel right......
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>>117600063
It looks like shit and it won't replace 2D.
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>>117609465
>all this string doll-like movements
>all this PS2/3-tier graphic
All of my nope.
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>>117609541
>random greentext
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>>117609465

That pose seems pretty uncomfortable for piloting something.
>>
It doesn't even look that bad. What's everybody complaining about?
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>>117609400
Actually a 1080p display is OK for immersion, although not ideal, as long as the pixels are not visible. This can be achieved with a professional grade optical diffuser, but that wasn't something implemented in the DK2. Once you eliminate the visible pixels, it's just a matter of how much small details you can see, and that's where resolution really comes in. What you actually get when you put a jury rigged diffuser into the DK2 is a slightly blurry vision, but the pixels are less visible, and since the blurriness is uniform, it looks more like you just have a bit of nearsighteness rather than that you're looking at an actual display or through a screendoor.

As for watching anime in VR, yes, you can do it in 2D. I've already tried watching anime in a theater with an IMAX tier screen. Anime is only 720p, so it's not too much of a trade-off in quality. As for making 2D into 3D like your pic, we would ideally produce AI that interprets depth well, which can then automatically create those pictures, and subsequently make any anime, or any 2D thing 3D. Computer vision, which is what they call AI interpretation of visuals, is advancing at a rapid rate, so it shouldn't be far off.
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>>117609566
Good for you.
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>>117609584
>he wants anime to die


anime is near dead anon
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>>117609601
>IMAX tier screen

heh
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>>117609610
The death of anime is relevant. Even if it does disappear, nips will find some new trick to profit off of all the desperate otakus now without anything to obsess about.
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>>117600063
I'm fine with it actually, just as long as it keeps a lot of the things that makes Japanese animation distinct from western animation, like the eyes for example.

I was looking at Xrd previews the other day and I was saying to myself 'if the anime was just like this I would have watched it"
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There's nothing more embarrassing than stills and QUALITY, so I like 3D a lot more than 2D lately. Doesn't help than all 3D anime since those 2 last years where masterpieces
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>>117600063
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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>japan animation choices are either
>old animation methods with 2D handdrawn full of stills and quality (save for few high-budget productions)
>worst 3D around in entertainment (save for less than 5 titles with somewhat decent animation)

I just can't wrap my head around how nobody is even trying to run on the YZQ route of using digital methods on regular 2D animation standards for cheap, good and 2D-looking anime and they stay rooted on those 2 extremes.
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Anime died when they abandoned the high contrast look that came from using cels.
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>>117610983
>cel
>high contrast

what?
>>
Not surprised. It was inevitable. 3D has proven to be a huge success in the West, so it's just a matter of time until Japan caught up.
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