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Why are English dubs of anime consistently so terrible?

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Why are English dubs of anime consistently so terrible?
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>>117373673
Because you've never seen a dub in several years and kept the same outdated opinion.

Czech 'em.
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>>117373673
why the fuck would you watch dubbed?
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>>117373673
because no one loves you
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>>117373673
>watching dubs at all
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>>117373673
The only acceptable dub
-DB AND DBZ
-Death note
-Bebop
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>>117373673
Because you touch yourself at night.
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Because you parrot other people's opinions in a desperate attempt to fit in on an anonymous imageboard
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>>117373734
Recent bad dubs off the top of my head:
Railgun
Kill me Baby
Psycho-Pass
Log Horizon
MGX
Kill la Kill
Madoka

In short, you're full of shit.
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>>117374119
Yuyu hakusho was the only truly good dub. So good it was better than the original voice acting.
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>>117374144
>being this much of a weeaboo
Don't tell me you watched DBZ with japanese voices
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>>117373734
I watched a dubbed episode of Madoka Magica (livestream on NicoNico) and it was horrendous. Part of the issue is that Japanese honorifics don't really translate adequately. "Kaname-san" was translated as "Miss Kaname", but that's way too formal in English.
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>>117374159
>he thinks english dubs are in any way aesthetically pleasing and that fitting in has anything to do with it
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>>117373741
>not watching dbz is superior dubs
you sir have no power level
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>>117373673
I thought Madoka's dub was alright..
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>>117373673
Because the way their made is practically designed to bring out sub-par performances and they pay VAs so little they often have to use a pseudonym to avoid issues with it being less than the minimum allowed by the SAG.
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>>117374309
Do you have a katana collection too?
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>>117373673
dubs are terrible but sometimes i enoy them
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>>117374119
You forgot Ghost Stories.
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>>117374201
I thought PsychoPass dub was actually pretty good.

I looked through a decent amount of scenes a while back. The VAs seemed fine.

I'll definitely agree on the rest, though.
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>>117374201
>Log Horizon
Was it that bad? I saw a webm of Nyanta and Sera and it seemed acceptable.
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>>117374326
>their
they're
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>>117374201
I thought the Psycho-Pass dub was pretty good
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Because its catering to an audience that seldom buys any merchandise or buys BD's. Ergo, they won't waste money on english speaking voice actors.
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>>117373673
Because they all consist of the same 15 or so bottom of the barrel "actors" who can't get a real voice acting gig.
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>There are people on /a/ who didn't watch the English dub of Baccano.
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>>117374349
What /a/non doesn't?
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>>117374309
Watching only the Japanese because it's Japanese is pretty fucking weeaboo.

Bebop and DBZ don't need to be watched in their original forms because the dub is fine and much more memorable. The Bebop sub is boring and uninspired.
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>>117374373
>>sir
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>>117373673
Western VA's can't into females, much less little girls.
They can nail some male voices but like most cashcows have a lot of female characters so you can piece together the rest
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>>117374437
>There are people on /a/ who didn't watch Baccano with Wakamoto
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I felt like the dub for pic related had better voices in the English dub, but missed the mark in a few places. Mind you I watched the subbed episodes first and then the dub after so I might be a little biased.
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>>117374440
Can you post some cool swords friend?
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>>117374381
>It seemed acceptable.
Nyanta is a nigga.

>>117374369
It was fine...except for Akane. Which was so awful to listen to I would never be able to watch it because it would kill her character. She sounds like a teenaged sorority whore.
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>>117374546
>Goku as Alvin the Chipmonk
no thanks
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Is the dub of the Madoka movies was an improvement overall? A few clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DfElCU8JY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8S1eIKctaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdRTUTBwLfc
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Dub VAs are almost always bottom of the barrel. And also, the actors don't typically all work together in the same studio and record their lines together like they do in Japan. This makes the dialogue sound strange, unnatural and plain bad.
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>>117374060
>Because the women try to hard to sound like the Japanese seiyuu and its just come off as ears iritating.
>Sorry western women but you can't into moe voice.
If dubs were done by Japanese voice actors who spoke English, I guess they *would* be much better.
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>>117374437
The thing is, that was probably one the five half decent dubs to come out of anything released since 2007

It's like 1% of good anime in the last decade
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>>117374650
I haven't watched it dubbed. I just wanted to ask the opinion of those who have.
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They are only terrible if they aren't done well. Evangelion for example, was a terrible dub, and succeeded in over acting in a cartoon. While as someone else mentioned Cowboy Bebop was fine dubbed.
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>>117374546
>no liking manly goku
shit taste
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>>117374463
To be fair, Josh Grelle voiced Maou.
He usually does a good job, regardless of role.

>>117374561
Really? Akane seemed fine to me. Maybe it's because HanaKana's basically white noise to me now unless she's voicing someone unusual like in Bimbougami Ga/Monogatari/Tonari no Seki
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>>117374546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz39GUm12WY
The Japanese voice actors were better right? Skip to 2:30.
Just listen to goku it's fucking terrible
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>English dubs are all awful
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>>117374736
>They are only terrible if they aren't done well.
So like 99% of them.
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>>117374286
>aesthetically pleasing
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>Muh toonami dubs shit was good!

Always the same shit with dubs fags.Just nostalgia retards who don't know shit.
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>>117374615
The classroom is bearable, but the second and third videos are just grating.
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>>117373673
Because talented English voice actors don't have to stoop to dubbing anime.
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>>117374782
>aesthetics are purely a visual phenomenon
Don't be that retard
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>>117374824
It all comes down to what you heard first, and, in the anime media, 95% of the time you heard the Japanese voices first so you associate them with the voices.

It's not a matter of being bad or good, except in extreme cases.
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In Japan being a VA is serious business.
In America its just a bunch of who?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmsVBgZiak

Best dub passing through.
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>>117374899
Stop pretending to be some art connoisseur over cartoons.
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>>117374957
Yes, that's how it works 95% of the time you mongloid fuckface.
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>>117374615
No it's shit.
And not only that, having met the english and Japanese voice actor for Kyouko in person, her English voice actor is an obnoxious bitch who sounds like a slut in person, while Ai is a sweethart who sounds almost like Fuuko in person.

english voice actor:
>doesn't even watch the show they star in
>can't remember any of their lines
>just a job for some quick cash
>doesn't care about respecting the fans

seiyuu:
>geniune interest in their character and the story
>takes their role very seriously as a career
>does their best to make their fans feel welcome

Truly 2.5D
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I liked this one
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>>117374928
Truly the best dub
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>>117373673
Because there's limited competition

They have no need to hire better voice actors, because anyone who wants Mongolian movies in English has to go through them
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The only decent eng voices are old man characters but still when you have Jouji Nakata and Wakamoto for Japan you got no chance.
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>>117374914
Except I heard the Cowboy Bebop sub first and I switched it after the first episode.

And the reverse with Space Dandy

checkmate athiests
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>>117375070
>Liking old lady goku
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMh4wBN-14
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>>117374991
To be fair, Dub VAs probably make pennies and really have no incentive to care much about what they are doing. Not that Japanese VAs are making bank, but I'm sure they get paid at least a decent wage.
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Low threshold to hit. If you're a prominent voice actor, you're going to get the job dubbing something because there aren't many people to choose from like there are in Japan.

And because of the lack of competition, most people half ass a lot of stuff, so the dubs tend to suck. In grorious Nippon, its a far more popular job, so you have to be good at it.
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>>117375189
It's the same shit as reading a book and getting a picture of the character in your head and then seeing a movie where it's not what you saw.

Fuck you're retarded.
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>>117374928
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TNFFmFOwnY
Why Yugi...
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>>117374835
This, unless it's Ghibli or something. Also different styles of acting and Americans can't deliver the silly dialogue in 80% of the stuff airing, while stuff like Cowboy Bebop and Big O or whatever is more suited to them.
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>>117374991

While I completely agree with you, I can't help but feel bad for english VAs because they don't really get critically acclaimed unless they work in major movies or series. They also make nothing because being a VA does not pay well at all, at least compared to what being a VA pays in nipland.
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>>117373673
Dis gonna be good

Pic related to superior english dub
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>>117375250
Better than the Japanese voices
Fuck that shit
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>>117375168
>liking jewish grandma Freeza
>liking chain smoking Gohan
>liking poor acting literally all over
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>>117375321
It's the same principle, just trade out voice.
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>>117375227
If money is your only incentive to care about your job, you are not going to actually care about your job in the long term. Doesn't work like that in reality.

Dub VAs don't care because they see it as beneath them and just shit they have to do to move up to where they want to be.
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The Bebop dub was better than the subs
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>>117375409
Try again
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>>117375308
I agree. Credit to the ADR Director (Talison Jaffe), seems he has a track record for making good dubs.
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>>117375400
I'm not going to look down on Dub VAs for half-assing a lot of things because they probably get paid in pennies. I don't think it's fair to expect somebody to do a good job if they don't get reasonable compensation for it.
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>>117373673
The same reason spanish dubs of murrican movies are consistently terrible.
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>>117375551
Bad lip sync?
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>>117375535
Why would you do an excellent job if you get paid shit?
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>>117375535
You have it backwards.

Why would they do a good job if they get paid shit? Although I'm sure many dub VAs would not be able to do a very good job even if they tried.
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dubs would be better if they stopped hiring people out of conventions. I actually prefer 90s and early 2000s dubbing to modern dubbing.
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I watch dubs when I don't feel like spending 100% attention on the anime. It's good to have in a side monitor while I'm doing other stuff.
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>>117375400
They dont' care because they have no reason to care. They record their lines alone in the recording both and don't interact much with the rest of the cast. Sometimes not at all. In Japan, and on higher budget western cartoons, they record their lines with the VAs for all the characters in a scene together. The VAs have more interaction with each other and develop a feeling of camaraderie. This also leads to more lively performances as they can work off of each other's vocal cues.
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>>117373673
Because low casting budget and small pool of dub actors to choose from. This is why, in comparison, the Disney dubs of the Ghibli movies are so remarkably better than the common dub. Disney has the cash, talent, and experience to create a high quality dub the same way they produce the voices for their other movies.
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>>117375693
That's nice, but that's not everybody.
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>>117373673

No effort, no budget, no good direction. They hire shit tier voice actors no one heard about most of the time.

Look at the voice actors video games get. Like Metal Gear, Layton, Team Fortress 2. If only they paid people like them then people wouldn't complain.

(Eng Layton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jap Layton)
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>>117375500
>they probably get paid in pennies
I assure you they don't. They just don't have consistent work available.

They might not make as much as Japanese celebrities, but they aren't making slave wages either.

>I don't think it's fair to expect somebody to do a good job if they don't get reasonable compensation

lol

And regardless, people don't do a shit job because they're making 50,000 a year instead of 200,000. Giving them the extra money isn't going to motivate them to actually try or suddenly get better skills. They do a shit job because they either don't have passion for what they're doing or don't have the talent/experience. And if you do a shit job on purpose because you don't think you're earning what you should be, guess what, you're never gonna go anywhere in life.
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>>117375902
They get paid shit and have to get a second job in order to not live on the streets.
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>>117375885

I think the only good dub that came these recent years was Tiger & Bunny but it would be better if Agnes had French accent and the TIGER & BUNNY - OVER AND OUT was left untouched or dubbed like the Japanese version.
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>>117375902
Oh please. There's no way they're being paid livable wages in the majority of dubs.
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>>117375693
That's nice and all, but people generally need more than that. Nip VAs are at least part of the process, while Murrican VAs are just accommodating this work for a foreign audience. An audience that largely prefers watching the original anyway.
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>>117375940
Please tell me you don't actually believe this?

They have to get a second job because they aren't working all year round.

I know for a fact I'm not making more than a voice actor.
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The most annoying shit is when they have to extend simple sentences to match the lip flaps
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>>117375999
>everyone should be passionate enough and work for free
I dream of a wonderful communist utopia too, but that's not going to happen.
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>>117376043
>Please tell me you don't actually believe this?

What are you talking about? I've met tons of voice actors, and they all had to get second jobs.
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>>117375999
Except you're 'right man for the job' is someone who doesn't care what he's paid.
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>>117376065
What's going on is your stupidity isn't worth more than a shitpost in response.

>Voice actors living on the streets

Give me a fucking break.

I used to make $10 an hour with my own apartment and I wasn't living on the streets or destitute.

You sound like a naive spoiled little kid with no life experience whatsoever.
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Dubs with big female casts like Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon and Girls und Panzer tend to highlight the worst problems of English dubs. There's not a lot of female English voice actors doing anime, a lot of the ones they have don't have a very good range and if they do there's a decent chance they'll get bad voice directing anyway.
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>>117376160
Most people aren't passionate about their jobs and many of them do an excellent job without such passion. I don't know what world you live in, but money is an excellent factor for motivating people.
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>>117373673
while i dislike english subs as much as the next guy

while in the majority of the NHK english dub misaki sounds autistic
this fucking part right here in the english dub still tore me to fucking pieces when I heard it
It's bad in Japanese but here, It was just Misakis tone and her crying after,
tore my heart right out of my fucking chest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q68zuC6IlKs#t=61
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>>117376214
You were fortunate enough to live in an area with a very low living wage. For many places in the world, $10 an hour is not going to cut it.
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>>117376214
10 an hour is more than what voice actors make, at least low end voice actors that don't work for disney.
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>no good dubs
What are fma brotherhood, cowboy bebop, ouran high school host club, steins gate, baccano, samarai champloo, toradora, and death note?
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>>117374561
>Nyanta is a nigga.
Sooo...? What's your point?
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>>117376379
Better in Japanese.
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>>117376379
>steins gate

Stop.
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>>117376315
>10 an hour is more than what voice actors make
Oh my god I'm fucking dying here holy shit.
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>>117374201
at least kill la kill's wasn't as bad as fucking attack on titan/snk. holy fuck i can finally say i've heard a worse attempt at a dub than any pokemon english dub ever.
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>>117376436
this
mayuri sounded like she had downs in the english dub
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>>117376443
Voice actors make 8 dollars an hour.
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>>117376379
>S;G
>Toradora
>Ouran High
The rest are debatable.
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>>117374381
>pomf
Dammit, why does it have to be down now.
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>>117376160
Being the best burger flipper in the joint won't amount if you still make shit pay and few even around to eat.
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>watching dubs in the first place for some godforsaken reason
>terrible
>terrible
>bad
>absolutely disgusting
>somewhat acceptable
>SEE? DUBS ARE JUST AS GOOD HAHAHAHA TOLD YOU
Dubfags are cancer.
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>>117376314
I was / have been making about 20-30 cents over minimum wage for the past few years and have been able to make enough to pay my bills, rent, and college expenses without loans without any problems. Whatever they're making should be plenty, not counting passion.
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>>117376500
Keep going. Please. I haven't been able to laugh in a while.

Keep in mind that the minimum wage in California where most of this shit is recorded is above $8/hr
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>>117376379
Yagattabetrollin.
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>>117376430
well i can't fucking speak japanese, and i bet you can't either. so aren't fully qualified to judge which actors did a better job. All we can do is enjoy good dubs when they come along
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>>117376507
>But those with excellent jobs work their butts of and at least try to be good at what they are doing.
[citation needed]

>If a voice actor isnt willing to work hard and do good work, then he doesn't deserve anything anyway.
Why should they work hard if they're not getting respectable pay?

>And i'm pretty sure that this is the kind of job you need passion for, anyway.
Probably, but that doesn't mean you should expect them to be good.
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>>117376642
>All we can do is enjoy good dubs when they come along
Or we could not be fucking retards and not watch dubs in the first place.
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>>117376619
Interviews with Voice Actors apparently isn't important to you so I have nothing to say.

>Believing they don't just outsource this shit to janitors as their part time job.
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>>117374561
It was weird that he had a black guys voice and it didn't fit the character at all, but the voice acting itself was pretty good.
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>>117376611
That's nice, but like I said earlier, living wage is often well above $10 an hour. You were just fortunate enough to live in a place with a low living wage (I am too).
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>>117376248
The big problem there is that 40 year old Japanese women can still sound like squeaky 10 year olds, while 25 year old American women struggle to even sound 15 again. They need to use actual children/teenagers for those roles.
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>>117374561
>Nyanta
>Not a nigga
Nigga.
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>>117374437
>Joel McDonald

How to lower the quality of a dub in 3 seconds flat,
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>>117373673
Wavves, no!
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what in the FUCK

i mean ok mikuru was pretty fucking terrible in the dub but that's pretty much it

you can't fucking disagree on the fact that koizumi and kyon were shit tons better in the dub

fuck all of you i watched it dub first and now the sub sounds weird as shit call the cops

I DONT GIVE A FUCK
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>>117375038

really wasn't bad
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>>117376879
Why the fuck do you write like a 15-year-old?
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>>117376851
That's some really twisted logic you have going on there.

For the record, I am positive that most dub actors just flat out suck, but like I said, I don't fault them for doing a bad job if they are getting paid shit. Just like I don't expect fast food workers to cater to my every need.
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>>117376879
>watching Haruhi without Sugita
It must be painful.
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>>117376879
Kyon sound better in Japanese and Koizumi sounds more suited in Japanese, mostly because he sounds gayer.
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Has anyone listened to the Gatchaman Crowds dub?
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>>117376477
She sounded pretty cute if you ask me. Dub haters can't really say shit when half of japanese voice acting for girls is annoying as fuck with how how pitched they are
>OOOONNNIII-CHHAAAAANNnnnnNNnn BAAAAKKAA!!
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ITT: spoiled manchild weeaboo Americans who still live with their parents try to talk about what's "fair wages" and "fair effort"

holy shit this is embarrassing.

You want to talk about people who work their fucking asses of and get paid shit? Look at Japanese animators. Dudes fucking working 600 hours of overtime in a month straight into suicide all so you can see little girls spreading their buttcheeks atop a robot.
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>>117377079
Consider getting the fuck out.
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>>117376817
This is very true
I thought Stephanie Sheh was an okay little girl VA who was english
Look at her wiki and she's clearly some nip variant
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>>117376992
Ouch, you really got me there
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>>117377103
Yeah, that's not fair either. What's your point?
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>>117377105
You are really making it clear what kind of people defend dubs.
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>>117376917
That too, but mainly the magical asian aging process.
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>>117377103
> Dudes fucking working 600 hours of overtime in a month straight into suicide all so you can see little girls spreading their buttcheeks atop a robot.


this shit right here
this man speaks the truth
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>>117376817
what the fuck

wendee is fucking 54 and she voiced haruhi

not to mention if i didn't know who she was judging by her voice i'd probably say she was 15 or 16
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>>117377164
>Improving and working hard is the only way to actually get paid more.
That's not how reality generally works. You get paid more by making connections with the higher ups and climbing the ladder.
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The Ghost Stories dub is fantastic though in every way, and an objective improvement on the source.
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>>117377121
You know it's true. Don't tell me you've never been annoyed by soem genki girl fucking screaming like a fucking retard. Most dubs are shitty, but there are a lot of good ones that /a/ pretends don't exist. You guys act like all japanese voice acting is flawless when it's clearly not. You guys can't even fairly judge the quality of jap voice acting when it's jibberish to most people on /a/
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>>117377184
My point is just because you're not making as much as you'd like to be doesn't mean you get to be a lazy fuckup and not try and tell yourself "oh I'll give a shit when I get another 10 grand next year".

Because there are plenty of people worse off than you who give a lot more effort than you do, and if you think that extra money is going to suddenly make you forget your lazy attitude you're delusional.
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>>117377103
I think the sadder part is that 99% of these people want to be animators, but sooner rather than later as well no matter how hard they work. They will be replaced with 3D animators.

The day where more than 50% of anime are 3DCG is the day I drop it. Unless they amazingly improve and doesn't feel like 2 frames a second. I never see myself liking them in a Japanese style of animation.
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>>117377340
>You know it's true
Not really. Besides, I'll take more high pitched voices over western hags trying to sound young any time.
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>>117376851
You are hilariously naive and should have a job in management selling spew like that. Unless there is a guarantee that their hard work to be compensated, you can't reasonably expect an excellent job; maybe an okay job. That's how people operate. It's not a matter of lack of self-interest, but self-interest.

And in the end, the reality is that dubs will be passed over in favor of subs regardless.
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>>117377391
You're dangerously close to projecting here.

I don't see why the existence of workaholic Japs that do a great job for shit pay means that everyone else with shit pay should also do a great job. Trust me, I am very grateful to those animators, but I would never ever want to be one of those guys even if I had the skill.
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>>117377438
well you guys are fucking stupid to assume that all english dub voice acting is shit
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>>117377103
That's not just passion, but actually a part of something. Those dubbing anime are not.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhKSecPVZzg
What do you think of Sentai's dub of Hajime and Berg-Katze, /a/?
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>>117377515
*lack of self-respect
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>>117377594
That and I don't want to do a million hours of overtime, struggle to meet deadlines and for meager pay.

An animator for Disney or something like that seems like a nice job though.
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>>117377663
Doesn't sound like autism at all.
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Dubs never work in any kind of medium, everything from movies to literature lose something along the way when translated, subs in watchable shit decrease the chance of degrading the material. It just doesn't work.

On the other hand, I think there are some shows where it is possible to pull it of somehow, pic related, I came across it by mistake from the underwater BD release, and it turned out to be pretty decent.
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>>117377758
Hajime isn't autistic
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Everyone forgets truly the best dub know to man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhttPUouBsE
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Sometimes I just want to watch something in the language I understand or with out having to also read it so I watch dubbed
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>>117378050
>best dub
>not this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJ4VWoeOzs
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>>117378113
well, Baccano! is second
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>>117377630
Most of it is shit. To the point that its not worth watching.

Also, why would you watch it english dubbed if there is a perfectly fine original?

Ah right, there is no reason to.
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>>117378107
I'll watch it first subbed due to better voice acting for the most part then after maybe will watched dubbed if I enjoyed the art enough so I can focus more on it
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>>117378227
How bad are you at reading if not having to read subs really makes that much of a difference? Hell, I'm not even a native English speaker and I never have this problem. It's just an excuse.
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>>117378227
>>117378107
>There are people who are this fucking stupid

God damnit.
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Female English VAs are good for bitch characters.
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>>117376457
>not liking the 4kids dub of Pokemon
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>>117378348
I tend to do activities while watching the dubs, hence I don't feel like reading at all and basically just stare at the art while under the influence of recreational drug of choice
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>>117378359
>You're not watching it my way so you're stupid
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>>117378359
Well, stereotypes always have some truth to them.
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Cromartie High dub was excellent.
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>>117374991
>doesn't even watch the show they star in
>can't remember any of their lines
>doesn't care about respecting the fans
Fuckin' really man? That kinda annoys me since I met the english dub va for Homura and she was pretty nice and at least remembered a line when my bro asked her to do one, and she at least she seemed genuinely appreciative when I complimented on her performances on some of the roles she had done.
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>>117378680
>Fuckin' really man?
None of those points are true, that guy is pulling shit out of his ass.
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>>117374991
There are a couple English VAs that break the mold, but by and large you're probably right.

Crispin Freeman and Steve Blum come to mind.
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>>117378802
I can vouch for Vic Magnogna being someone who cares a lot about his job as well
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I always enjoyed the RuroKen.
Am I wrong to think that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avnnkUqdL3U
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>>117378680
>>117378755
Whether or not the story is true is irrelevant, the statement in general is nothing more than a statement that lands somewhere between speculation and anecdote.

>She was pretty nice
In relation to fans? Just in general? Who cares if she was a saint or a complete cunt, doesn't really address the complaints raised.

>At least remembered a line when my bro asked her to do one
I still remember a poem that I needed to recite two or so years ago and I had only really read it a handful of times while practising it, though I suppose that does address the statement "can't remember any of their lines" as an over-generalization. I'd like to expand on >>117374991 and say that it's not that they can't remember any of their lines but instead that they don't necessarily understand the significance of their lines, recognize the context of their lines, or that they simply take too many creative liberties, whether or not these liberties are authorised, and end up losing sight of the original intent.

>She seemed genuinely appreciative when I complimented on her performances on some of the roles she had done.
Who the hell wouldn't be flattered? There's a difference between respecting the fans and simply accepting compliments when given and nothing else.

I'm sure you had a great chat, and I've nothing against any specific voice actors, but instead I've got issues with the system in general and how it is handled as a whole
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>>117379016
Just don't be in the men's room with him. Guy will walk up to the urinal next to you even if the whole rest of it is empty.
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>>117375902
The majority of dub studios are centered in Cali, which to my knowledge is a rather expensive place to live, and many dub VAs have stated that their pay from voicing dubs is pretty shit unless they go union, and even then unioners are limited on where they can find work, so ya.
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As much as I hate the voices in the majority of dubs, it's quite nice having something open on another monitor without needing to keep your focus on the text.

Watching Stien's Gate like this at the moment and seems like a decent dub, although can't compare to the original. Sure they're thrown in a bit of Western pop culture here and there.
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>>117379296
>Steins;Gate
BAWK BAKAAAWK
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>>117379296
>watching steins gate dubbed

May as well kill yourself at this point. There is no hope for you.
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>>117379183
I did, it was a somewhat short chat, but good none the less. Just kinda surprises me though that some dub VAs are like that since I met more western cartoon oriented VAs like Rob Paulsen and Phil LaMarr who imo were some really cool and down to earth guys that seem to genuinely love what they're doing.
>but instead I've got issues with the system in general and how it is handled as a whole
So what do you suppose can be done about it then? What needs to be changed?
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Behold, the only time when a dub has surpassed the original voice acting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUArTDYYVc
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>>117378802
I like Crispin Freeman's voice.

Are there any video games where he plays a lead role?
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>>117373673
>FMA dub not better than the original
Bradley sounded pretty good in the raw, but he sounds like a fucking pussy compared to the the english voice.
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>>117373673
Because you are a faggot
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Space Dandy. Dub or sub?
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>>117374201
Dad watches Psycho Pass dub on Netflix and I hear it from the couch. Some cringe worthy voices.
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>>117380559
Both are fine but the show is shit anyway.

Just go with the sub.
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>>117380574
>watching dubs
>on Netflix
Consider calling your dad a faggot.
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>>117380559
space dandy is one of the VERY FEW dubs i'll actually watch.
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>>117374119
consider me a sinner, but pokemon and yu-gi-oh dubs were fine to
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>>117374201
I actually like the Psycho pass dub. While I agree with that one guy about Akane's voice, Masaoka's voice was fucking perfect and I would listen just for that.
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>>117380677
You think I haven't already? I've called his taste shit, his waifu and husbando shit, called him a pleb. He still continues to be a faggot with shit taste. It cant be helped.
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Almost all dubs sound so hideous to me that I'd honestly rather watch it raw and not know what the fuck they're saying than try and stomach them. And anyone who think's it's something caused by being a 'weeaboo' is retarded, I have no trouble with voice acting in western cartoons or other media. It's just always fucking anime.
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>>117375195
Ya it was shit,but the whole show was so it fits. I honestly think the last scene in the 2nd season (the one with the flying balls ) it 10 times better dubbed.
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>>117373673
Anime dubs are on par with network soap operas.

These companies on the verge of collapse hire cheap, bad actors to churn out their 'talent' for their product for the masses quickly and efficiency reasons.

Then again, I can't think of that many soap operas who actually hire actors who made their name from YouTube.
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>>117375272
Good voice actors never star in Ghibli films. They always choose Hollywood actors who are terrible VA's because they honestly believe it will garner more interest in the film.
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Hey

Remember General Ivan?

Remember Nyanners?
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>>117381416
Ghibli films have excellent voice acting though.
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>>117374283
Will studios EVER learn to drop the honorifics when dubbing?
Every dub I've seen does exactly what you just described and it always sounds terrible and out of place.
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>>117381557
No they don't. Meatspace actors are worse VA's than amateurs. They've been trained to act completely differently and it shows. But you can't have real VA's in a Ghibli film, oh no, Disney wants "real actors" instead.
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I personally love Black Lagoon and Cowboy Bebop's dubs. Black Lagoon for the multitude of accents (even if they're exaggerated) that match the international setting, and Bebop for just sounding right.
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>>117381785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD4i7sEwhRs

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.
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>>117378540
Hell yeah
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>>117379183
about Madoka specifically, this series of interviews with the English VAs essentially confirms what most people in this thread have been saying. It's pretty obvious that these guys don't understand or care about the series given their responses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhMzOA9l8c

Honestly, if the directors could've given them clear enough instructions on how to act out each scene and they followed it properly, I still wouldn't complain, but the translation was terrible and all the actresses spoke with this bullshit whisper tone in their voice bc they didn't know what they were doing.
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All trolling aside, I actually think there are a few things playing against dubs being good. Almost always, the voice actors are separated from the production in a way that the original cast were not. In a decent shop, the original cast should have a clear understanding of how the character is being conveyed in the entire story arc, in the animation, and with more (and arguably more skilled) people seeing to the overall integrity of the work (like a director), they just have more support. The flip-side is that whether you straight translate/interpret the text or "localize" it (like fuck with the jokes and cultural references), I think dubbing probably takes too much responsibility for conveying what's happening, who the characters are deep down, what the subtext is... hell, i'd imagine this is just as much their arrogance, thinking their job is just soooooo important.

How much do you think you would understand of an anime if you just watched it with the volume off? How much actually needs to be said in order to give your audience that understanding?

Granted, this is partly a cultural problem too... western tv/movies just loooove to spell everything out textually, as if their audiences were morons, where, in Japan, anyhow, they seem to love leaving things unsaid... like... all the time. But to be honest, I think a japanese dub of something like Avatar would be similarly cringeworthy, if for slightly different reasons.
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>>117373673
Because in the west, voice actors are nornally normal actors who need work
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>>117377663
Terrible
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>>117373673
For the same reason why Japanese dub of Disney films is terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-79E_mn5O8

Just awful.
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>>117373673
Good dubs:

>Baccano
>GTO
>Golden Boy
>Ghost Stories
>Cowboy Bebop
>Samurai Champloo
>Afro Samurai
>Space Dandy
>Mushishi
>Mobile Suit Gundam 08th MS Team
>Black Lagoon
>Abenobashi Magical Shopping Arcade
>Beck
>Full Metal Panic
>Anything by Studio Ghibli
>Summer Wars
>The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
>Steam Boy
>Memories
>Evangelion
>Ouran Host Club
>Shuffle
>Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
>Wolf Children
>FLCL
>Gurren Lagann
>Ghost in the Shell
>Black Cat
>Death Note
>Monster


>Anything with Steve Blum or Wendee Lee
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>>117383003
>enough vibrato to get a girl off

And that's not a good thing.
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>>117381088
>waifu and husbando
Who are they?
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>>117383040
good list. Makes sense, too. Most of those series had dubs produced by large distributors and ended up being really successful in the west. I think those guys take their jobs really seriously and it shows in the product. plus Shinji and Misato made eva. Everyone else was kinda so-so in that one
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>>117383040
>Good dub
>Eva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPyQ6dHsG3I
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>>117383389
>that screeching asuka voice
Kill me.
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The only dub I've ever enjoyed more than the sub is Black Lagoon, and the only one I enjoyed equally was Cowboy Bebop. Everyone other one I've seen has been inferior or shit.

Dubs in general are god-awful and there's usually no reason any sane human being should watch them.
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Why are people saying they liked the Haruhi dub? It was god awful. Crisp Freeman as Kyon isn't THAT good, it was tolerable at best, Kozomi doesn't even sound like a human being and both Haruhi and Mikuru were TERRIBLE. Jesus christ, get the fuck out if you like that piece of shit excuse of voice acting.

Also, how can you not like based Sugita?
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This was the only character I enjoyed dubbed. He sounded like an actual crazy, psychotic person who was hellbent on killing everyone. Cagalli was alright too, but she was my highschool 2D crush back then, so I'm somewhat bias towards the quality of the VA.

Rest were terrible, especially Lacus, alongside the rest of the show itself. Never again.
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>>117374991
>aromatherapy
>certification
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the only nice dub i have seen was Baccano's, none other came close to original
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>>117374119
I know /a/ hates the show for some reason, but Champloo was a good dub too.
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>>117374119
>Didn't include Baccano
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>>117383003
I think its okay, actually.
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>watch a sub
>miss all the animation.
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y'all are annoying af
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>>117385107
>plastering entire screen with black tape while watching subs
That (or retardation) might be your issue.
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>>117373673
Because you consistently watch terrible anime.
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>>117385650
Watching any anime in dub makes it sound and therefore feel terrible.
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>>117374119
Death Note's dub was awful...
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Fate/Zero's dub was pretty good
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The reason that English dubs are shit is because at least 90% of all English dubs for Japanese products are created in Texas.

It's why their voices are so insufferable and annoying. That's what a Northern Texas voice sounds like.
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>ctrl+f Azumanga
>no results

It had a great dub, come on /a/
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>>117385107
There are some shows (like Evangelion) where you will definitely take in less information if you watch it subbed. Having two simultaneous conversations being subtitled as well as on-screen text translation at the same time is just too much to handle for a first time viewer, and that's before you can even consider looking at the visuals.
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Translation loss and talent gap between Jap and Western voice artists.
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>There are people that don't love the Log Horizon dub
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Why is [self-taught voice actor/washed out actor desperate for any work] terrible in comparison to [professionally trained voice actor that went to a voice acting school] ?
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>>117386263
There was exactly one line delivered that was better in english and it was a fart joke. So no.
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Because anime dialogue is cringy as fuck, but it's completely ignorable in a language you can't speak.
Actually hearing it in english is terrible.
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>>117386626
Osaka's English voice was hilarious though.
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The only good dub is My Pico's
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>>117374119
Wolf's Rain was pretty good too, in my opinion.
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High School DxD's english dub was so serious and retarded it was so funny
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>>117375308
How could I have forgotten the god of all english dubs?

>Those accents

It was like it NEEDED a dub.
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Because it seems every other male voice sounds like Leonardo or Michelangelo from the old TMNT show.
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>>117386175
If this is true, this explains EVERYTHING.
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>>117380795
I like watching dubbed Yugioh, but only after I've watched the original and complain when they remove scenes

pic related
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Because /a/ does not dub them
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This all very opinion based but anyhow I like dubs but I am strongly in the camp of subs for shorter anime but if its an anime that has like over 100 episodes I'd rather watch it in English because its just easier to follow
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I like the Duel Masters dub because they clearly weren't taking that dumb shit seriously.
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>>117374119
Bebop was good for it's time, in the sense that it wasn't as awful as anything before it. But it's still shit. The english VAs still have to meet the timing of the Jap VAs so a lot of delivery sound very unnatural. Voices themselves are good, everything else is terrible.
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>>117385107
>he reads this slow
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>>117387061
>tfw you will never have a wild hair duelst BF to take you on magical adventures in childrens card games

I'm sad
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>>117374119
the death note English dub was absolutely terrible
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>>117374561
Are you implying Nyiggta isn't great in his own way?
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>>117387789
>LIGHT... YAGAMEE
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Spice and Wolf dub was superior.
FLCL and Welcome to the N.H.K.'s dubs weren't bad either though I didn't watch all of N.H.K. with dubs so I can say 100%
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>>117386957
Rias' English VA gets me hot and bothered
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No one watched Shaman King dubbed? It was on TV where I live and it was absolutely brilliant.
They even went the extra mile and added voices in the background which Japanese dub lacked.
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I learned catalan so I could watch catalan dubbed anime because catalan dubs are 10/10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efSosf7ysjY
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>>117383040
I'd put Planetes on that list myself, as well as the Patlabor 1 redub. Patlabor 1's wasn't outstanding, but actually does the job and is miles better than the '90s dub. The Patlabor 2 dub used the same cast but I think the director was asleep, and the TV/OVA dubs still give me nightmares. Central Park Media, not even once.
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>>117375260
Damn it, Daniel. You're a father.
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>>117374119
Golden Boy, no contest.
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Not a lot of dubs in this thread.
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>>117373673
Shitty actors who can't act and who are only hired because they accept being paid peanuts.
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>>117381626
Honestly, i'd almost prefer them to keep the Japanese honorific over trying to (mis) translate it
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>>117373734
dubbed always sucks. its like your mom playing with your toys, its just fucked up
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Digimon dub was terrible too but it was fucking hilarious
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>>117382550
IMO dub actors should ALWAYS watch the original so that they can understand how they should... uh.. inflict? their lines. Rather than going by "act emotional --> here" on their script

If they don't want to read subs, get an actor who can fucking read.
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>>117374361
Have there been any recent series that have been bad enough for them to do a fun-dub (inb4 everything)?

There probably has, but they've flown under my radar.
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Never see anyone talking about pic related in dub threads. I honestly thought it was pretty good
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It warms my heart to see the english dub of DBZ with millions of views on youtube.
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If only nostalgiafags would realize that Dragon Ball Kai's dub is better.
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Code Geass was alright too..
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>>117391257
If the Kai dub used the original falconer soundtrack it would be the best dub. The Jap ost is not exciting at all.
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>>117391305
Eh, I didn't really like JYB whenever he tried to come off as evil. When he was calm, he fit perfectly, but his zero voice was just...I didn't like it. Also, his nero voice in DMC4 was the best.
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NOW CLUCK LIKE A CHICKEN
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>>117374119
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>>117373673

Because it's a prerequisite to have a permanent sore throat if you want to be a VA in the USA.
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>>117374201
Kill la Kill wasn't too bad. The voices all pretty much fit with their Japanese counterparts, Satuski's VA was good at being Satsuki. Ryuko is edgy as fuck, but she was always edgy as fuck.
The only one I have a problem with is Mako, and even then, you can tell it was just an English actor trying her best at capturing that Japanese autistic energetic girl spirit.
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Baccano, Bebop and Durarara!! are the only dubs I've ever watched aside from shit when I was a kid.
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>Mfw the average dub VAs story of getting their first role is always reading like, 4 lines as an audition after a friend of their car washers niece or something recommends they get into voice acting and introduces them to
And they always reuse the fuck out of VAs
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ITT:
>not wanting to read = can't read
>listening to a language you don't understand for months/years = qualified and worthy opinion of its voice acting
>how can people like what I don't like
>guessing VA wages without credible sources
>all dubs are wrong on principle because muh loss in translation
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>>117374201
>Kill la Kill
... was just bad. The dub being shit was just a cherry on top. All characters in the anime are angry or confused 99% of the time, there's too much fanservice, etc. Fuck i hate kill la kill so much
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>>117391359
Yamamoto's plagiarized tracks were better than everything else. Sucks that they replaced them with the shitty original Japanese Dragon Ball tracks.
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>>117374201
>>117392297
I've been out of the loop with north american dubbing

Kill La Kill got dubbed? You'd think Toonami would instantly jump on that shit
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I did enjoy the dub of this MUCH better then the original, though mainly because the original bored me and I loved the funny accents the girls had

Especially the little Nazi girl and the Brit
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>>117392432

Probably after Gurren Lagann once the dub is fully finished and the episodes are all available on DVD so they can cash in on it
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>>117392434
>shitty low budget CG-infested only-boy-who-can-do-this LN adaptation
They need to start doing more trashy joke dubs for these kinds of shows.
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>>117392431
Yea Kenji is a biter. All of his music was removed from the DBZ Budokai collection as well.

It sucks cause the plagiarized versions were usually better than the original tracks.
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>>117392484

I thought that Sword Art Online would've been much better if they went the Ghost Stories way or maybe put in a bunch of pop-culture references, one-liners and celebrity impressions like one of those dubs for kids shows

Hell I was surprised to hear Kyubey's english VA say she wanted to fuck her brother
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>>117392635

As well as Todd Haberkorn making weird orgasim noises when licking Asuna's tears

At least you had Kirk Thornton having fun playing the red-haired loser player
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>>117374473
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>>117392674
>Todd Haberkorn
The guy sounds like a gay ass faggot creeper when he plays the villain.

In other words, he would've been perfect as Sugo if he'd gone the extra mile.
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>>117389607
under rated
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>>117391367
I guess it's because I haven't seen more than a handful of contemporary dubs, so my point of reference is smaller in scope, but I thought JYB managed to adapt quite well to the role by the end of Code Geass despite some hesitation earlier on.
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I-I liked the Black Lagoon one.
The cast seemed so chill in the interviews.
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Because you can understand the language.
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>>117374201
Girls und Panzer was absolutely dreadful.
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>>117381626
This. If you're going to go English, then go all the way.
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>>117374928

my nigga
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>>117385107
>He can't read and watch the pictures at the same time
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