Is bat the most liked because of her dominant personality?
It's because she's a loli, an ojou-sama, and everything in between.
She does have a fun personality though.
They show you outright that, even when she hadn't realized yet, her bond to Arararagi was so important to her that the shock of losing it was enough to send her into a depression spiral that would DESTROY THE FUCKIN WORLD. Literal endtimes of humanity bad end.
For a being like they play her up to be like the concept of love as a bond is several orders of magnitude more hardcore than anyone short-lived like humans.
>leaving the old thread before that lovely anon posted the full scan
She's perfect in all of her forms. I love her personality and her body.
>because of her dominant personality?
It's actually the opposite. She's the most submissive. Shinobu does anything Araragi wants and doesn't attack him like most of the other girls do. In fact, she is always waiting in his shadow for him to call her.
She has this gap moe between her personality and her actual actions that is just perfect
More like she's the main character of the show. Senjougahara is simply a love interest for protag while Shinobu is the main character to the protag. The second best girl is of course Nakedo Snake. Even the show acknowledged it.
Remove the Loli from anyone in the show and they'd lose fans. It's because they're a loli with good writing, if it wasn't about the loli then they'd say "I like Kiss-shot more"
But it isn't. Bakemonogatari is only one part of the story. Shinobu features prominently in every other arc and even has her own novel (Kizu). Tsubasa has 3 arcs and has a major part in Kizu. Mayoi is in nearly every arc giving Araragi advice. Senjougahara is a side character after bake but does feature prominently in it. After that it's just a question of who got less screentime.
They obviously don't like Kiss-shot more or else you'd see more people posting Kiss-shot and not Shinobu.
The entire point is that her being a loli is big part of her appeal. It's even in the novels when Araragi comes to the conclusion that the neck/collarbone area is the most dangerous part of a loli.
She would have less fans if she wasn't a loli
>They obviously don't like Kiss-shot more or else you'd see more people posting Kiss-shot and not Shinobu.
>Implying there's a difference
What about Kiss-shot from the later novel then? She's Shinobu except Kiss-shot sized.
While my stance has always been Kiss-shot and Shinobu were two different entities until Owari, my point still stands. While Kiss-shot is not Shinobu, Shinobu is still Kiss-shot, the personality traits she kept from those days are still a big part of her current personality.
I'm not saying you can't like Shinobu without being a lolicon, but saying "Her being a loli has only a minor impact on why people like her" and things along those lines is just ignoring the fact that her being a loli is a big part of her appeal.
If being a loli wasn't such a big deal then Yotsugi would have no fans
There is totally a difference, Kiss-shot is Kiss-shot, Shinobu is Kiss-shot plus Araragi.
From a personality stand point only, while Shinobu is Kiss-shot, it doesn't work in reverse since Kiss-shot hadn't met Araragi and got influenced by him
Ignoring the future Kiss-shot from one of the books where Gaen splits Araragi and Shinobu apart to make her Kiss-shot with Shinobu's personality
They're there but I feel they're just paying lip service to the fact she's the third loli in a loli trio. The fact she even has 1 fan with so little personality is surprising
I wonder about that myself
But we'll always have "yaaay peace peace"
If this were a normal series I'd agree but we know Oddities are influenced by the perception people put on them. Oshino says as much and Yozuru insists on calling her Former-Heart-Under-Blade.
If Shinobu's loli form wasn' t explicitly influenced by Araragi and Oshino treating her like a child then I would be like. "Yeah man, I agree" but Shinobu/Kiss-shot is the only case where I'm pedantic enough to be like. "There is an academic difference between these characters where you need to treat Kizu-Kiss-shot as a separate character from Shinobu Oshino"
Hey Rei has personality...I mean she did uh...that thing where uh...ummm...at least she's not Asuka?
But if you treat them as a separate character then the whole bathing scene in Nise becomes void of any meaning.
I've had this discussion with another anon a while back and it boiled down to Shinobu acts childish because she's just messing around but when things get serious she isn't afraid to go full kiss-shot personality even having a loli body.
I think the main diference between Shinobu and Kiss-shot is her more...regal appearance
>You need to treat Kizu-Kiss-shot as a separate character from Shinobu Oshino
Still doesn't means it's a different character
It's just circumstances surrounding her character, but as a character (taking away oddities, Araragi and vampirism) she's basically the same
I would disagree with you on best personality.
Kanbaru stuck with the no screentime duo.
Nadeko not last place.
I'm about 90% sure unless you've said "When things get serious she goes back to Kiss-shot" to multiple anon then we've already had this conversation.
Nothing so far, haven't seen/read it. I doubt all the non-personality she's had in her current appearances is going to really expand into some magnificently three-dimensional character like Mayoi or Shinobu.
If it does, I will be the first to admit I was wrong and will praise NisiO for his excellent writing. However until that point, I can only go on what I've seen of her personality which is basically. "I can't keep it on straight and I'm a smarmy person who thinks your muscles look edible"
I would literally fuck Shinobu in all her forms until her vampire pussy went numb and my dick fell off.
>(taking away oddities, Araragi and vampirism)
The three most important things to her character. Like I said, if this was any other character, I would be fine but having "This character is explicitly shaped by our perceptions of her" makes this shit quantum.
Ah that explains it.
There is no accounting for nip taste.
What about snake then?
I don't care if you like moe-blobs, she's still a shit.
I'm not saying those factors don't affect her character I'm saying that its base personality and traits stays the almost same trough the series so besides eventualities from the plot she's the same
Important question time
Is Kiss-shot the most powerful vampire in Anime?
>another shitpost for another time
>1,000 years old.
She's only 600 years old.
>not knowing the characters name
The awesome part of that scene is that she can choose how she looks, so it's like a method to outer how devastated she was
Why is Nisio so awesome and Kiss-shot such a
>No but then again, most of the times that's the reason why anyone posts images
Are you comparing using multiple images of the exact same scene to using any image at all?
>And my English is not relevant to the post we are talking about
It's relevant to the part where I have to experience your English when I read your posts. It makes said experience tiring.
I like her because there's nothing she wont talk to araragi about. The rest of them are teenagers, and thus talk in metaphors, or are constantly on guard. She talks like a woman. Adult body shinobu = best monogatari.
You're joking right?
Saying loli has anything to do with Shinobu and Mayoi's characters is doing a huge disservice to their role in the story. They're arguably the two most significant non-protagonists, one being the cause of the entire story and the protagonist's entire reason for living, and the other being the protagonist's main source of emotional support.
It's because she is a vampire loli and also due to the personality she has that is shaped by the fact she's a vampire loli.
>Power which is attractive, all kinds of moe from gap moe to moe death, eternal unchanging body, is sex incarnated, lewd yet pure, master/servant, dominating/dominated, and the fact they can be both childish and mature.
My repost why vampire loli is the best, and all that applies to Shinobu.
>I think it's mainly about the contrast.
>Looking like a little girl, which suggests weakness, yet possessing great power.
>Carrying a lewd adult mind within a pure, untainted body.
>Master and Servant at the same time.
>Monster, but also cute with cute behavior.
Some other points an anon made that I agree with.
Let me rephrase: Saying loli is very significant at all to Shinobu and Mayoi's popularity is doing a huge disservice to their writing as characters, as well as their role in the story.
I don't think so, she probably gets her head patted everyday
Honestly, people are going to be so disappointed
when Kizu finally comes out, because people keep upholding it as some kind of holy grail.
Kissshot isn't even awake for most of it.