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CyberConnect2, Studio Khara Compete With Animated Shorts
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-PudD1UrvU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRU_J5qYg0


Video Games must avoid Anime's mistakes, CyberConnect2 CEO states

>As the conversation turned to anime and manga, Matsuyama revealed that he reads "60 books a month," mentioning Jump and Shingeki no Kyojin, and the quality of Kodansha's publications. When asked about anime's declining popularity in the US, Matsuyama replied:

>"Yeah. That's because it's not as mainstream as it used to be. They're making it for a particular audience. I think that's why. I watch a lot of anime but it's for the techniques, not as entertainment. As a product, I think it's going downhill. The general audience won't find those interesting. It's impossible to figure out what the target audience is for Mawaru Penguindrum. Same goes for Madoka Magica. It's for a very core audience like us, who enjoy them. The video game industry has to make sure they don't make the same mistake."
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I saw CyberConnect and just wanted to say in this thread that I love .hack and literally worshipped Asuras Wrath despite it not being a real game. That is all, thank you
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Cheers to CyberConnect2.
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>>116951219
What are these shorts supposed to be?
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>>116951219
Khara did better here, the CG's actually rather well-done and works with the timing of limited animation.
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Yeah sure, going mainstream will save your vidoe game franchise. Good luck with that.
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>>116951385
>Khara did better here
what?
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>>116951219
Oh, so cool. When do you say you'll do another real Little Tail game?
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>>116951418
Khara's short is the second one posted in the OP.
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>Anime is for a very core audience like us, who enjoy them
>Implying video games don't pander to minority demographics
Games must truly be different in Japan then here because games are basically anime-tier here.
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>the audience for products is people who like them
With insight like that it's no wonder that he's the CEO of a company I have never heard of.
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>>116951219
Going mainstream is a certain doom for Japanese games.
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>>116951219
Level 5 cell shading is shameful superior.
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Complete Naruto UN Storm when?
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>>116951219
>anime's declining popularity in the US
Really ?
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They're just jealous at SAO commercial success and their .hack tanked.

They deserved it for what they do to the franchise anyway.
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>>116951468
Gaming has been hip for the last four years, get with the times grandpa. There's still plenty of niche shit but if you say one of your hobbies is playing video games people don't cringe anymore
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>>116951385
Nope. CyberConnect2 is better.

You think the CG is "better done" for Khara because Khara isn't trying to emulate a fighting game.

The "limited animation" used by Khara is making for choppy frames even when that would be completely necessary. Notice the firing of the missile.

CyberConnect2 shows a far more sophisticated use of the technology. Khara's use makes for a jarring effect which out right looks bad. Also notice how poor the "arena" is in Khara's verison, it's just a rectangular box with textures and it really shows. It's terrible.

What you could say is that Khara perhaps choreographs it a little better, but then again, this is more because of how they don't try to make it look like a game.
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>>116951560
Majority of new anime contain loli and the publisher has no spine to airing it on TV. So they either show bad anime but safe for kids or heavily censor anime
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So, by not compromising the idea of their game just to sell more copies, a company would be making a mistake?

What awful advice. But it does come from a CEO, whose goal is to make money. I'll take my advice from a real human, whose goal is to succeed in creation.
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>Anno's studio can't into 3DCG
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>>116951742
Anno is a hack. What do you expect?
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>>116951679
I thought that with the success of SNK, anime were better seen in America now
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>>116951385
>Khara did better here
Khara did worse on every level.
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The CC2 one has more hand drawn feels, the Khara short is just an alwful 3DCG.
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>>116951742

Why even bother trying? 2D was perfectly fine. now EVA looks like some old PS3 game.
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>>116951660
>You think the CG is "better done" for Khara because Khara isn't trying to emulate a fighting game.

Exactly, it actually does a pretty good job of emulating the look of hand-drawn animation instead. CC2's example is the usual shit everyone has seen before in their videogames. The presentation of the action isn't as interesting either. Khara's on the other hand is a rare example of CG working well with limited animation and is what other anime CG production should strive for.
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Holy shit, Anno just gets BTFO
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I hope he realizes that mainstream popularity has completely destroyed any and all real mechanical creativity of video games in the US. The fact that he is even entertaining 'appealing to a wider audience' is disturbing.
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>>116951219

Wait, is that supposed to be CGI? I can't tell at all.
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New .hack stuff when?
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>>116951219
>It's impossible to figure out what the target audience is for Mawaru Penguindrum.
People who enjoy Ikhuara and his shenanigans.
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>>116951563
>.hack// tanked? please escort yourself to wikipedia then promptly commit suicide by head desk.
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>>116952247
Please don't, the newest ova even retcon aura origin, if they go further it won't even be .hack anymore
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>>116951856
Don't you have some Anno cock to fellate anon?
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>>116952385
He isn't even involved in this, silly.
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>>116952247
idk

>>116952372
unless they rereleased HD remakes of the games I agree no more shit with a dead universe. the story has already been told no more rehashing.
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It's a great thing mainstream works in any medium have been known for their quality... oh wait.
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>>116951219
>Madoka
>Not mainstream

He does realize that the movies had a wide, and very profitable, theater run in the west? Does he even live on the same planet that we live on?

And what's wrong with appealing to a niche audience? Some of the best, and most well developed games from Japan were designed towards niche audiences. The mainstream audience/normals simply can't grasp anything beyond the most watered down, simple mechanics imaginable. Just like they can't grasp any anime that doesn't have blood, explosions, or fight scenes every five minutes. In both cases, expanding out to a 'mainstream audience' would lead to bland, incredibly safe productions that have little room to be even remotely artistic.
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>>116952372
Do you mean Thanatos?
I barely remember this anymore but I can't recall any contradiction right now. I think the movie was a bit more unfitting although that might be just my taste.
Bullet is fine till now though.
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>>116951468
What century do you live in?

I have to say though when Blizzard released the new expansion for WoW the most viewed streamer on twitch was some fat ugly assburger weeab that couldn't talk for shit even in front of a webcam. Some things never change. MMOs will always bring in the worst types of retard.
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>>116952444
if they made the full mmorpg The_World It would have to compete with FFXIV: A Realm Reborn which is huge in jp and us and growing.
the game would probably feel extremely underwhelming.
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>>116951219
>It's impossible to figure out what the target audience is for Mawaru Penguindrum.

Imagine an otaku.
Now imagine a hipster.
Now combine the too.
And add some homosexuality to the mish mash.

And there you have it. Niwaka was a term tailor made for the Penguin Drum core audience.
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Being aimed for niche is what makes anime great. In a profit-seeking system, you're eventually pandering to some group's wants. Why would the product be better just because it goes for the lowest common denominator of the general public instead of a specialized, knowledgeable subculture?

This balding bitch just wants the almighty yen.
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>>116952485
It's not really contradiction, but it's still asspull.

In the original franchise, .hack is born from emma and harold obsession of daughters.

In thanatos report, we learn that ALTIMIT and Emma are founded and supported by "mama", enviromentalist organization with lot of influential member from many country, They predict life will go extinct in earth within 1000 years, and the reason is humanity. So they want to stop humanity in some way, and one of their idea is to have A.I govern human.
So they're funding an A.I project, which is aura.
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>>116952714
>instead of a specialized, knowledgeable subculture?
Because the subculture anime is aiming at is one of fast dying low income no future shut ins.
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>>116952714
>Being aimed for niche is what makes anime great.

Except when they only target one single niche, as in the only one that's willing to pay, the market stagnates and they only pander to otaku faggots.

He's right as rain. Not in a " We gotta go mainstream" sense but in a "We gotta tell other stories and stop pandering" sense. He's not the first guy to say it and he certainly won't be the last.
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>>116952734
Aura is born from emma and harold*
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>>116952776
>"We gotta tell other stories"
>"and stop pandering"

Pick one. See: Marvel Comic Universe. My whole point is that if your chief concern is to make people buy your product, you're bound to pander. If not to the otaku, then to the normalfags. This is the downfall of capitalistic art, and they may make more money by courting general audiences, but thinking the works will be superior is a mistake.

More profitable != better
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>>116952471
>He does realize that the movies had a wide, and very profitable, theater run in the west?
Yeah, among tumblrwhales and otacool people.

Those few screening don't mean shit.
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>>116951219
>CyberConnect2
I thought that they changed its name to HinataConnect2
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CyberConnect2 already did one of the best anime.
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>>116952776
Not to mention that he was judging anime as a product when he made that statement. He probably also had in mind the fact that a good product is one liked by many and not few.
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>>116952471
>He does realize that the movies had a wide, and very profitable, theater run in the west?

Anipix/SONY was trying to push Madoka like the second Eva, if they released the movie in the other country, they can make big news in Japan about this (kinda of failed in my opinion), it's very unusual to see new anime movie this soon in oversea, many diehard fan would want to see it for sure. but it only work in limited release, there are not many Madoka fanbase around west.
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>>116952485
Have you tried Guilty Dragon? I'm pretty sure it fits with how the.hack world goes not to mention those fucking messed up Phantoms are all .hack characters.
Still feels bad that my guild can't kill off the One Sin.
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>>116952555
What if make new .hack game for PS4 with Morpheus, then fake a story where people were comatized from playing it?
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>>116952943
>if they released the movie in the other country, they can make big news in Japan about this (kinda of failed in my opinion)
But that's what allowed them to nominate it for Oscar consideration and that was a successful marketing move since most people don't know anything about the process it ensured a lot of discussion.
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>>116952855
>This is the downfall of capitalistic art,
Art has been "capitalist" for tens of centuries and it's done good so far.

If I have to say something about anime it's the complete opposite, they're not doing a good job at approaching it as a product to sell - capitalists take risks on the market and try to get new means of income. Anime studios don't, they are choked by the expectations of a group of low life scum that sends death threats to the creators every time they see something they disagree with (Kutoko's basgay gas death threat for instance) and do the impossible to try to not stray from the narrow expectations of this despotic group.
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>>116951782
You're a fucking idiot
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>>116953225
>But that's what allowed them to nominate it for Oscar consideration and that was a successful marketing move since most people don't know anything about the process it ensured a lot of discussion.
That's not how it goes retard. Any film that gets released in the LA area can be considered for an Oscar nomination, nobody gives two shits about Madoka and the synopsis of the running most critics called it atypical anime garbage and praised The Wind Rises because unlike otaku shit like Madoka Miyazaki is world renowned
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>>116951782
>I thought that with the success of SNK, anime were better seen in America now

Pfft. you have a shitty anime channel airing the same Shonen Jump crap on a dead block, who also refuses to air old shows (not even remasters) provided with some manchild at their helm refusing to answer questions by dismissing them with "Weeaboo".

It's "seen" in America, only to die again,
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>>116953066
I'd be fucked. CC2 hasn't released any .hack game in the US after the G.U. series despite false promises about Link and Guilty Dragon.
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>>116953378
I don't think you understood a word of what I said.
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>>116951219
>It's impossible to figure out what the target audience is for Mawaru Penguindrum. Same goes for Madoka Magica. It's for a very core audience like us, who enjoy them.
>it's impossible to figure this out, but I figured it out.
Okay.
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>>116953378
HA HA HA WHAT A FUCKING RETARD
GO FUCK ANNO'S DICK YOU FUCKING MORON
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>>116953579
You're retarded as fuck
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>>116953225
nope, it's not even a nominate, it's just meet the basic requirements, be eligible for the Oscar, and Aniplex makes a big news about it.
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>>116953378
>most critics called it atypical anime garbage
[citation needed]
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>>116953446
He's saying that being put on a list for an Oscar consideration is not a big deal since the requirements isn't as severe as you believe it is. The other part is just you talking out your ass. Last years Oscar nominations were some of the worst ever anyways
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>>116953271
First of all, anime studios aren't the ones who decide what gets made, it's the producers. Second, if you think there's a market for anime that they aren't exploiting you're retarded, these people only live to make money and they are milking the anime market as much as they can.
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>>116953378

>made it into the list of 19 "Best Animated Features" in the Academy
>nobody giving a shit
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>>116953643
That's the point made in that post. There's no need to be pedantic about the word nominate.
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>>116953721
>made it into the list of 19 "Best Animated Features" in the Academy
You do realize that shit like Rio2 and Epic made that list right?
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Yeah, because no video game series has ever been run into the fucking ground and killed by attempting to appeal to mainstream audiences, failing to gain them, and losing the core fanbase in the process.

>>116951468
Everyone plays CoD and Fifa now, and everyone's kids play Minecraft.
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>>116953763

Yes, but when was the last time the west gave a shit about another anime besides Miyazaki?
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>>116951219
>CyberConnect2
The whole short looked really CG but it's damn good, the action was smooth and appear to be high budget. Overall, despite not looking like 2D anime, it really feels like one. It reminds me of why the fight scenes and story telling on the Naruto games were leagues above the anime it was based on.

>Studio Khara
The CG they used tried so hard to look like 2D but it failed and it appeared as a low budget effort instead. The movements are really choppy despite being made in CG, which means they don't have to redraw shit to make more frames per second and just position the character a bit. I can forgive this type of choppiness in 2D shows like Guren Lagann since they'll have to draw more stuff, but CG models shouldn't have to limit themselves to that standard. Also, I forgot to mention that the girl's movement at the beginning looks unpleasant to look at.

CyberConnect2 wins this one for me.
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>>116951856
>Exactly, it actually does a pretty good job of emulating the look of hand-drawn animation instead.
No, it doesn't. It looks just like 3DCG usually does, and it's bad.
Observe how CC2 manages a perfect blend, especially in the opening part. There's no awkward choppy stuff.

Hand-drawn animation is supposed to be off-model, if only to compensate for the low frame-rate and give it a unique feel, but look at what Khara has done. It's on-model ALL of the time, always perfect, and it is jarring.

Khara's looks like shit.
CC2, evne though it emulates a game, looks better. Consider the first and final portions, the non-gamey part. They look better.
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>>116953809
It's not them "giving a shit" Madoka just made the basic requirements to be considered in the running, a few years back Funi was trying to do the same thing with Rebuild and Summer Wars but couldn't because they missed the deadline.
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The Khara one's looks very cheap/

Maybe they have all his staff worked on this one

http://animatorexpo.com/

still not good as CC2 short.
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>>116952734
So that's what you meant. Have to agree here. I didn't realize it that directly when I watched it, but the omission of Hararld (who is basically the father of TW and the initiator of everything that happened) doesn't make any sense. I loved his story - MAMA isn't uninteresting but it doesn't have the same, almost romantic, feeling to it like Harald's dream does.

I still hope somebody will translate the Epitaph prequel LN someday.
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>>116953667
You understood the post to say exactly the opposite of what it does. "Screening Madoka allowed them to submit it for Oscar nomination". To this you say
>being put on a list for an Oscar consideration is not a big deal since the requirements isn't as severe as you believe it is

This wasn't done because they thought it would win an Oscar but to relate hype in Japan where people wouldn't know anything about the process. Which it did. Or did you think this was ignored?

Whether "last years Oscar nomination were some of the worst ever" is unrelated to anything in this discussion.
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>>116953978
>but to relate hype in Japan where people wouldn't know anything about the process. Which it did.
But it didn't BECAUSE IT WASN'T FUCKING NOMINATED and was dismissed by critics for being atypical anime trash.
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>>116953978
>Screening Madoka allowed them to submit it for Oscar nomination
And as everyone has been fucking saying it is not a big deal since>>116953763 also made the list. You're the only one making a big deal of what is essentially "you made the basic requirements but that doesn't mean you will actually get nominated we just saw that you were screened in LA
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>>116954079
But no one reported about Epic or whatever in Japan which was the goal when submitting Madoka. Anime news blogs on the other hand wrote headlines like "Madoka considered for Oscar nomination". It doesn't matter if you insist that this is no big deal because then you completely miss the point.
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Madoka is good doe
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Puella Magi Madoka Magica has received widespread critical acclaim. In his 10 out of 10 review, UK Anime Network's Andy Hanley lauded the series for its deeply emotional content and described it as immersive and filled with grandiose visuals along with an evocative soundtrack. Additionally, he recommended that viewers watch it several times in order to fully comprehend the complex and multilayered plotline. He went on to claim that it was the greatest TV anime series of the 21st century thus far.
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>>116954260
>Anime news blogs
Wow it's fucking nothing
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Some serious hyperbole right there.

I liked Madoka, but come the fuck on.
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>>116954260
>But no one reported about Epic or whatever in Japan which was the goal when submitting Madoka
Who gives a shit? They certainly didn't and it was certainly not taken as much
>. Anime news blogs on the other hand wrote headlines like "Madoka considered for Oscar nomination
Cool bullshit bro! Did you forget that The Wind Rises was also on that list? And even among the comments every saw that Madoka was never going to get animated.
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>>116954500
>Madoka was never going to get animated
Are you fucking retarderd?
Fuck off, shitlord.
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>>116953937
Was the whole thing CG? Why is it so damn inconsistent? Sometimes it looks genuinely good but a lot of the time it's just jarring.

Anno needs to step up his game
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The dragon one was pretty good, but I was not really feeling it with the bike girl.
Mabe next week.
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>>116954554
He meant nominated
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>>116954595
you do realize that anno is not doing it itself, he is just funding animators to do the thing they want.
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>>116954644
It's just fun to bitch at him.
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>>116951277
so much this.
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>>116951219
I think they're both pretty good and have their own flaws, but CC2 pulls out ahead. And fuck Matsuyama. That mindset has already ruined the video game industry. Anime & manga will hopefully never follow.
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Dentist waifu was objectively better.
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>>116954500
>Cool bullshit bro!
http://www.cinematoday.jp/page/N0059698
http://www.animate.tv/news/details.php?id=1389853428
http://eiga.com/news/20131107/4/
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-21297.html

etc

But I give up now. You're right. It wasn't a smart marketing move that made news sites talk about Madoka and The Wind Rises like they were on equal level. No one in Japan noticed this.
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>>116954840
>that made news sites talk about Madoka and The Wind Rises like they were on equal level.
If you read any of those fucking articles you would see that was not the case
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>>116954840
>4 sites means it's the majority

Okay
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>>116954747
had some cute moments, but the whole soldier dragon teeth thing was 2deep4me.
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>Video Games must avoid Anime's mistakes
So instead of making niche video games for a core audience, they have to make casual shit that is liked by a broad audience, but hated by the core fans.

Aren't they doing that for a few years?
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Does CyberConnect2's games have any mainstream appeal in the US?
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>>116951219
>It's impossible to figure out what the target audience is for Mawaru Penguindrum

Fujoshi and/or females

>Same goes for Madoka Magica

Adults who are into the Mahou Shoujo genre

Sounds like a close minded retard who only thinks Shounen exists when it comes to nip fiction.
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>>116954747
>>116955153
Trivia: Dragon Dentist is by the same novelist who's in charge of writing the new Oh!Great manga Biorg Trinity.
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>>116954740
Are you trying to be reasonable? You should pick one and explain why it's great and why the other is shit.

I think they both use techniques of traditional animation pretty well. CC2 uses exaggeration well like when the cat is attacked at the end and and when she transform. Khara uses lots of smears during the sling-bell attack and the missile is great. That sort of timing is what Japanese animators do well and it won't change just because they do it in CG. CC2 has better background and effects/processing or whatever it should be called. Khara has better a better storyboard and is more fun as a film. The game emulated part is CC2's biggest weakness.
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>>116954644
Well, the main reason Khara has the 3DCG team is becasue Eva Rebuild series.
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>>116953833
Khara's short uses smears and squash and stretch as well, it's pretty obvious. The "choppy" animation here actually helps with building the illusion of mimicking hand-drawn animation since limited animation is the norm for anime. Typically I'm not a fan of CGI doing that, but this is one of the rare instances of it working pretty well. There are a couple of cuts that are reminiscent of Kanada-style animation where the movement is snappy and combines smears and speedlines to help with the illusion.

CC2's animation is smooth, but it does not emulate the typical sort of animation found in anime as well as Khara's as a result. Strangely as it sounds, the animation is too smooth compared to what one would find in anime, that's the difference right there. Khara's short has strong anime influences right down to the timing and the presentation of the action while CC2's approach also goes with the anime style in terms of visuals(smears, effects, cel-shading) but opts for full animation instead.

Both are well-made, but Khara's short manages to pull something off that few anime CG productions have managed, that is using the timing of limited animation in CGI well.
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>>116955476
>The "choppy" animation here actually helps with building the illusion of mimicking hand-drawn animation since limited animation is the norm for anime.
No, it doesn't since the drawings are on-model, and the smears don't help either. It looks outright bad, and mimicry is a step back instead of taking it to be it's own thing like CC2 accomplishes.

Yes, CC2's is more smooth than what you'd find in anime, but this is a positive rather than a negative since we're talking 3DCG.

>but Khara's short manages to pull something off that few anime CG productions have managed, that is using the timing of limited animation in CGI well.
Completely disagree. You make it sound like this short is somehow the "best" 3DCG implementation ever, when it's pretty awful and choppy.

Smears don't help take the attention away from the seeing the 3D model, it's still euclidean as fuck. The "model" would need to elongate, twist and contort to fully replicate the feeling of hand-drawn animation, which Khara completely fails at.

Their short just looks like stop-motion 3DCG.

Now anime, usually has a lot of stills and dramatic poses or action moments, and look at around 40s in the CC2 one, and you'll see they achieve that WITHOUT being choppy. Even the warping of the hammer shaft is far more pleasing to the eye, without being jumpy or choppy.

Like you say, both are good but CC2 is just leaps and bounds ahead of Khara here. Khara doesn't do good 3DCG.
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>>116955386
the fucking WHAT?
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>>116955423
I didn't feel it was necessary to go in depth because I'd mostly be repeating things everyone else has already said. You pretty much got my opinion down to a T.
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>>116955784
> mimicry is a step back instead of taking it to be it's own thing
I couldn't agree more with this statement. There's been plenty of video games that have managed to retain much of the aesthetic of anime while still managed to be its own thing, yet they still managed to look appealing.

It's not so much that 3DCG is bad, it's that 3DCG is being used to (often badly) emulate what's essentially an entirely different medium.
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>>116955784
>>116955784
>but this is a positive rather than a negative since we're talking 3DCG.
Generally yes, but some CG work in anime has been good enough to make limited animation work. This is the first step towards making CGI successfully emulate what we see in anime today. I don't see the problem with striving for that, animators are slowly getting there and it's only a matter of time. Generations of Japanese animators have proved that hand-drawn animation does not have to be fully-animated to achieve appealing animation, who is to say that isn't true for CGI? So far it's slowly getting there for action scenes, one day some animators may get it to work as a whole.

>You make it sound like this short is somehow the "best" 3DCG implementation ever, when it's pretty awful and choppy.
The choppiness work in its favour though, especially when you consider the fact that Khara's short has some influences from Kanada-style animation. It's supposed to be choppy.
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>>116956375
>Generally yes, but some CG work in anime has been good enough to make limited animation work
Which is still inferior to said animation. It's not good and it looks awful.

>This is the first step towards making CGI successfully emulate what we see in anime today.
No. There are better examples, and better uses of 3DCG in anime.

Instead of moving forward, you're actually moving backwards by limiting the technology to emulate old technology. CC2 accomplishes more with it's clearly more advanced shaders and fluid motion.

>The choppiness work in its favour though, especially when you consider the fact that Khara's short has some influences from Kanada-style animation. It's supposed to be choppy.
NO YOU RETARD
STOP SAYING THAT FOR FUCKS SAKE

IT WORKS AGAINST IT, BECAUSE IT IS THE TELL-TALE SIGN THAT IT IS 3DCG

"ITS SUPPOSED TO BE CHOPPY"
does not make it good. You understand that the whole goal of animation is to make the motion seem fluid despite the "choppy" (20-24 fps) framerate? That's why there are stretched limbs in movement, it's why when you freeze a frame a square in motion it looks like an oval.

With Khara's arguably shitty method here, it's always on model, and it's nothing more than choppy 3DCG. It does not even come CLOSE to emulating even what you call "Kanada-style" animation, which is also notoriously off model.

Hell you know what? CC2 actually comes a bit closer to actual animation because they deform the models far more than Khara does.
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>>116951219
Bullshit.
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>>116956721
>IT WORKS AGAINST IT, BECAUSE IT IS THE TELL-TALE SIGN THAT IT IS 3DCG
Honestly if you told me one of these 2 had to be 2D and the other 3D, I'd say Khara's is the 2D. Their animation is definitely more reminiscent of anime than CC2's. The tell-tale sign that it's 3DCG for me is the shitty arena.
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>>116956167
>it's that 3DCG is being used to (often badly) emulate what's essentially an entirely different medium.
The so called principles of animation are simply what's been observed working when you want to create movement. Using things like squash and stretch in CG isn't so much imitating hand drawn so much as it's doing what is known to work.

Aout the smears discussed: they're smears. Not mimicry of smears but smears. They wouldn't be different if they were drawn by hand.
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>>116957002
Then you have shit eyes.
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The biggest setback in Khara's short (and the anime industry in general) is that it looks way too choppy. Asides from that it looks great. The CG is done better than the average anime.
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>>116951219
So what they're saying is that anime should be watered down to pander to a wider audience?
With how shitty most of it is, I find it hard to imagine what would happen if everyone adopted that tactic.
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>>116957028
It's not just limited to smears and squash/stretch. Often the lines in 3D lack weight, lighting is an entirely different ballpark and if the models haven't been rigged immaculately and the animator isn't able/willing to fix the model for specific frames there's instances where joints will look plain bad.

There's some really good example of '3D anime', but most of them aren't actually from any anime.
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>>116957002
In that case, you don't have eyes for these things. Because what CC2 does (in the segments that aren't purposefully trying to be a 3D game), the animation is perfectly the same as computer generated 2D with moving parts. You may or may not like it, but it fits.
Khara's parts always, and always look 3D, except for the parts that don't have animation at all. The only thing that might trick you to think it's 2D is when it's not in movement, and unless you watch "animation" frame by frame that is defeats the whole purpose of it being an animation.

Moreover, chasing being "the same as 2D animation" is not the end-all, be-all goal. Because in doing that, Khara's attempts inevitably ends up being inferior to the actual thing. There is no substitute for the real thing, and trying to just mimic it leads to the terrible results you see in their video.

That's why CC2 is far superior - have a look at how it can be it's own thing, not mimicking anything but the style - the dynamic poses filled with energy and the facial expressions connotated with anime.
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>>116957381
And just as an addendum: these are all things that can be rectified if the studio puts in the effort.
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>>116957075
>The CG is done better than the average anime.
Which tells you absolutely nothing, since anime does not do 3DCG (not CG!) well at all.
Most OVA's, even in mecha does better 3DCG than this, some even do transitions very well.

>>116957288
I think he's implying the opposite. That it's watered down to fit a niche, rather than being free of those restraints. "Watered down" here would have to refer to a specific insertion of "water" into the drink.

>>116957381
Because people who make software and use the technology on a deeper level than buying a software package are more competent and have access to better tools than just people who know how to draw.
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>>116957288
maybe it is this shit because it is made for a very specific audience?
Great works have always been transcending categories and this was the reason they could truly reach a wide audience.
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>>116957527
>>116957550
The whole "purity" thing otaku autistically obsess over (it's present here, as well, to some degree) is a serious drag on any kind of relationships in shows. The studio would rather not have romance and be able to capitalize on merch from their "pure" girls.
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>>116957381
If the anime industry ever decides to abandon 2D, they should abandon the entire aesthetic along with it. 3D computer graphics is it's own thing and should not be used to emulate 2D animation.
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>>116951468
>games are basically anime-tier here.
What fucking country do you live in? Games are fucking huge and have become pretty shitty because of that you gigantic fucking faggot.
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>>116957645
I think that's what Toie tried with Captain Harlock.
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>>116957397
Not saying CC2's is bad, I think it's better once the girl starts to transform, but it just doesn't look 2D to me. If I could make a webm I would, but in the beginning here when the girl is just walking along, Khara's animation looks much more like 2D. CC2's is too smooth.

Now during the action parts CC2 is better, but as you say, it's its own thing and not very 2Dish other than the smears and such.
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>>116957732
The best games are usually popular, narrow indie shit is usually garbage.
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>>116957818
>Minecraft
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>>116951660
>>116951798
Xapa had better cinematography/direction than Cyberconnect's
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>>116957865
>Usually
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>>116957645
You don't need the abandon the entire aesthetic, but you certainly need to understand you can't create 2D animation with 3D tools, which seems to be the root of the problem. There's many games that look great while retaining the hallmark aesthetics but another big factor here is time, money, training and experience, which a game studio will undoubtedly have more of.
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>>116957288
It's the other way around. Anime has become so specialized it's only ever appealing to anime otaku and a handful of casuals. Penguindrum is nonsensical metaphorical incestuous stuff that pretty much fails to convince the viewer of anything unless they are already obsessed with anime and finding meaning in it.

Madoka Magica is despite all the fanfare it gets, still a Magical girl anime with a cast made up of more than 90% girl characters, with the male characters being mere footnotes. It's not a diverse anime at all.

Is it because they want to minimize risk by catering to an audience that is likely to buy based on aesthetic alone? Sure.

But then take Khara. They have a big franchise called Evangelion. They have no financial troubles. Evangelion is enormous and will sell.
So what did they do? They turned the entire thing into a dumbed down, modern pandering-fest. The characters are nothing more than puddles in terms of depth, and there is more focus on selling a yaoi-relationship than there is making anything that would at all appeal to a wider audience.

Even Khara, who doesn't need to do this, is making something that won't be convincing for anyone that isn't already obsessed with simple otaku/fujoshi niches. What was there in the original isn't there in the latest Rebuild movie.

>>116951468
Games are moving forward apparently. Pick up the newest Call of Duty, literally starring Kevin Spacey!

>>116957621
"Purity" is a small part of it really, to the point of not being worth mentioning. You could say the same of western animation, there's romance but never anything much else there.
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>>116957818
90% of AAA titles are lazy, uninspired copies of one another, backed by an enormous marketing budget. Similarly 90% of indie titles are lazy, uninspired copies of one another, without the marketing budget.
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I liked the Khara one much more. I feel it's the stuff studios should strive for if they want to blend 3DCG with traditional 2D animation. Not saying the CC2 one is bad though, it's pretty good too but more of the same, maybe it's because of the shading.
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>>116957880
It's not hard to have better cinematography than something that could easily pass as gameplay from a fighting game.
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>>116957939
Khara does it because it's Evangelion. People, including japanese normalfags, are going to watch it just because it's Eva.
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>>116951219
>We want X audience!
Yeah, it sure helped video games industry.
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>>116957818
There are shit everywhere. I'm always amazed how some "AAA titles" manage to sell any copy except from the huge marketing device built around the gaming industry.
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>>116958042
They're trying to recover an audience they lost, not searching a new one.
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>>116957880
>Xapa had better cinematography/direction than Cyberconnect's
Not really.

You only think so because Cyberconnect didn't do a complete, continuous segment like Khara did. Cyberconnect tries to make it look like a game during the middle, which it successfully accomplishes.

Khara is comparatively, even narratively far more simpler than Cyberconnect - the transformation in Cyberconnect's short divulgues more information and background to the viewer than just pulling out a bazooka from Gundam does.
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>>116958042
It did help the publishers. They're sitting on a huge pile of money, and unfortunately, there's no end in sight.
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>>116958068
At least reviews are starting to reflect their quality.
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>>116958019
Yeah, but they don't actually have to smear their own franchise in shit that smells good to a niche otaku/fujoshi group for it to sell. They could actually do a serious job with it if they so wanted, but even they aren't inclined to do so.

The problem is with the people making the stuff as well. Even they are "rotten" to the core. Problem isn't with the audience, it's with the people making anime.
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>>116957987
Well the contest is to see which is the better animation short and Khara's captures that more than CC2. They're both great and CC2's is definately more fluid, both are CG but even if it's a gag, CC2 could do a short next time that reminds us they make videogames
I didn't mind, again, I'm just judging it by which felt like a better overall anime short
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>>116958138
It's both, they aren't going to make shit that doesn't sell.
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The Khara one would be so much better if it wasn't so fucking choppy.
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>Meanwhile an amateur can make this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw0P6KOWkRM
Fucking professional animators are just overpaid
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>>116958138
They're doing this to kill two birds with one stone: get normalfags to watch it, and get the otaku to buy merch. I'm not saying it's good, but that's what they're doing.
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>>116958163
It will sell anyway. The fact that they chose to pander mercilessly to otaku and fujoshi with their latest Rebuild won't necessarily mean that they sell more.

3.33 sold less than the previous Rebuild for instance, when it comes to BD's and DVD's. It's also doing poorly when aired on television.
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>>116958248
That's because 3.33 is just shit. They actually did the opposite of what their audience wanted.
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>>116951560
Thats bullshit cause anime been getting bigger in the US recently because of AoT, KLK and SpaceDandy
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>>116958224
Nah, their problem is deadlines. The anime industry is incredibly fucked up in how it works. A studio can't afford to just take their time animating a show and release it later, no - they have to animate it as it airs. That's where all the QUALITY comes from.
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>>116958224
Are you serious?
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>>116958293
>They actually did the opposite of what their audience wanted.
No, they did exactly what an important part of the audience wanted. Only the "wider audience" (people who expect a total experience instead of a pandering one) is left out.
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>>116958224
Shorts don't count.
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>>116958318
Those are incredibly niche compared to, say, DBZ, Naruto, or Evangelion.
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>>116951219

Otaku have gone so far they've even started to make very normalfag anime which they only buy themselves (Barakamon). We even watch little girl cartoons with basically 0 fan-service like Love Lab.

What more do you want?
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Japanese anime will die but Korean anime replace it.
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>>116958420
They want to sell millions, not thousands.
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>>116958446
We've got QUALITY issues because of Korean animators. Fuck off.
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>>116958379
More people know about AoT than Evangelion in the US.
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>>116958446
Maybe I'd be able to finish my backlog if that happened.
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>>116951219
The last short literally blurs 2D and CGI perfectly.

>>116952879
Wonder what their next show will be. Asura's Wrath was awesome incarnate.
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>>116958446
Koreans are already making all the animation work, now they only need one of their crazy movie directors to make us the mother of all anime.
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>>116958470
The problem might be pricing and airing time.
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>>116958470
They might want to start with making their product more accessible and affordable from a distribution stand point.
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This bit looked better than anything in the Khara short.

>>116958293
Not exactly. 3.33 is shit because they opted to make what the otaku/fujoshi fanbase wanted. It can't be taken seriously or even appreciated outside that context. 3.33 goes full-steam by selling you Kaworu x Shinji as a pairing - think about that.
Evangelion that was an anime that didn't do any "pairings" per se, is now an anime whose purpose is to sell them. It's an anime more concerned about how marketable the characters are (hence introducing a timeskip, but not aging the characters) than creating a story that is believable and has meaning. It's more about making sure the director's own Otaku urges go satisfied than anything else.

That's why 3.33 is shit. Everyone who isn't already tuned into that will feel repulsed, or simply won't understand what's going on.
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I fucking love CC2's cel shading
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>>116958470
OK how about making something that legitimately good AND original? Bahamut fits the bill but it kind of came out of nowhere and had basically zero hype behind it, but yeah I really can't think of the last time an original anime besides madoka really tried to have universally appealing themes
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>>116958551
Crunchyroll, done.
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>>116958224
The timing on that melon smash is so bad.
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>>116951219

Anyways, it's all just a spiritual problem to me. I guess we can broaden anime & manga if we want. Hell, I don't even care if the anime industry dies all together, I can just meditate nowadays.

The magic in my soul will never die, even if they deprive me of all physical pleasures I'm sure cute little 2d girls would break into reality and rescue me.
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>>116958525
>The last short literally blurs 2D and CGI perfectly.
0/10 doesn't even know what he's talking about
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>>116958501
They're improving, one day they'll no doubt surpass Japan even in animation quality.
Remember, there was a time when Japan was the place for cheap outsourced labour.
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Asura's Wrath is literally an anime.

And it's exactly what they are talking about, a thing for specific audience that mainstream didn't like.
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>>116958638
This is probably the gayest thing I have read all week.
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CC2s entry was prettier to look at, that's for sure. For one they don't do that thing where they remove half the frames to make it look choppier. That is a flaw found in Japanese animation due to their low budgets, there is no point in trying to emulate that.
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>>116958600
No, not 'done'.
>Not all shows are available world wide
>Definitely not viable for anyone actually living in Japan
>Paying for 3rd parties

If the actually want any foothold they need airing slots that aren't after midnight and their own streaming portals available domestically.
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>>116958975
Again, Korea. They'll no doubt figure this stuff out.
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>Instead of making 4.0, Anno is making some shitty shorts
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>>116959366
Good
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>>116959366
The short was better than Rebuild.
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>>116958586
The first four seconds. Then the cat bit at he end. That's about as good as any CG animation I've seen including American features.

Some credits differences worth noting

CC2 has one lead animator, eight animators, one person credited with "lead effect", four with "effect", two modelers, two people doing something in kanji, one UI design (what?), four people doing something in kanji, two "technical art" (?), one person doing something in katakana that I can't bother figure out. Then a director. The rest is sound people, design, producer etc.

Khara has five animators, one modeler, one composite. Then a director and sound people.
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>>116958525
I hope Asura's Wrath at least gets a spiritual sequel someday.

The first part of the game was rough but everything from the fight with Deus onwards was pure gold.
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>>116959430
UI design might refer to the fighting game health bars that by the way, drops when the cat/mouse takes damage.
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>>116952118
Yes, because we should let anime die, eating a smaller and smaller piece of the pie with no specific audience to target save for pandering.

Great idea for a business, retard.
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>>116951219
What is with all these faggots constantly whining about the mainstreamness of anime? Fuck that. I want more lolikon weirdo shit that makes normal fags cringe and run away.

What we really need is KnJ done right.
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>>116959594
>implying you can make good shit AND have it sell
In today's world, if something has any niche appeal whatsoever it is shunned. Doesn't matter what country you're talking about.
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>I watch a lot of anime but it's for the techniques, not as entertainment.
No wonder all your games look pretty but play like complete ass.

CC2 has never made a good game in their life.
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>>116959678
Funny, you got that with these shorts.
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>>116959901
And anime has never told a good story.
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>>116959974
Never talk in absolutes anon, it makes you seem like you don't know what you're talking about.
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>>116959678
>being weirdo animu loving snowflakes
I want more worthy content, not rehashed trash that has been repeated over and over again.

And actually something that could be discussed with my friends irl.

Normalfags pandering (not necessarily to westerners) is one of the solution to this problem of the anime industry for long term.
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>>116960031
Isn't this pretty much the whole point of the noitaminA block?
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>>116959678
Dude, we already have Prisma Illya Zwei
It's show about super lewd lolis doing super lewd things.
What else do you want? Anything lewder than this will be hentai
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>>116960094
thats actually a block for working women that want to relax when coming home from work.
I guess it says something about the state of anime that a block aimed at women usually has the most clever shows.
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Are they going to release more short? or just these two?
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>>116960031
>Normalfags pandering
Absolutely disgusting
You already have sao, snk which are extremely popular with normalfags.
If they start pandering normalfags they would need to pander SJW crowd, which already killed pretty much the whole entertainment industry in the west
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>>116960031
>with my friends irl
With who exactly? Would you enjoy talking about SnK with anyone you personally? Because that's what "normalfag pandering" is bringing. Your best bet is just finding someone who happens to enjoy same shit as you. Can't? Well damn, too bad. There are many obscure hobbies and topics you will have problems finding anyone interested in, but they are usually good because they aren't overrun with normalfags.
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>>116951277
>video games are going to save anime
I'm surprisingly okay with this
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>>116960224
I think it will be 7 in total.
Also if you are into animation yourself they are hosting a contest for you to make your own opening with the stick figure mascot.
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>>116951219
>It's impossible to figure out what the target audience is for Mawaru Penguindrum.
Cherry picking much.
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>>116960257
>muh SJW boogeyman.
heh, Otakus are no better.
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>penguimdumb audience
>hard to figure out

hipster fujoshits are the audience
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RgSRpVSM_E

Kamikazedouga co.,ltd says hello
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>>116960144
Noitamina's got something from everyone. You can pick a random show from this and chances are that it'll at least be decent, and most likely be great:
Honey and Clover
Paradise Kiss
Ayakashi: Samurai Horror Tales
Jyu-Oh-Sei
Honey and Clover II
Hataraki Man
Nodame Cantabile
Mononoke
Moyasimon: Tales of Agriculture
Hakaba Kitaro
Toshokan Sensō
Antique Bakery
Nodame Cantabile: Paris Chapter
Genji Monogatari Sennenki
Eden of the East
Tokyo Magnitude 8.0
Kūchū Buranko
Nodame Cantabile: Finale
House of Five Leaves
The Tatami Galaxy
Moyashimon(live-action)
Shiki
Princess Jellyfish
Fractale
Wandering Son
[C]
Anohana: The Flower We Saw That Day
Bunny Drop
No. 6
Un-Go
Guilty Crown
Thermae Romae
Black Rock Shooter
Kids on the Slope
Tsuritama
Moyashimon Returns
Natsuyuki Rendezvous
Psycho-Pass
Robotics;Notes
Katanagatari
Silver Spoon
Galilei Donna
Samurai Flamenco
Silver Spoon 2
Ping Pong
Nanana's Buried Treasure
Terror in Resonance
Psycho-Pass 2
Your Lie in April
Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata
Assassination Classroom
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>>116960338
That's khara's animator expo. I thought it was going to be one short a week for like 30 weeks but maybe I misunderstood.

This CC2 vs Khara is its own thing. They are doing an event later. Maybe it will be more but the shorts seem complete.
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Is this thread for real? CC2's looks more 3dcg and Khara's looks more like anime. I'm kind of confused here.
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>>116960416
I would pick otakus over faggots with "problematic" and "toxic" problems every day
Or you want all anime to have potato faced ugly girls so it won't promote false concepts of beauty or whatever shit they whine about
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>>116960617
Give me just one example of this happening anywhere outside /pol/
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>>116960522
noitaminA has its misses, too.
>Fractale
>Guilty Crown
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>>116960597
Khara does look more like anime. I really don't know if those people's love for CC2 is making them blind or what.
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>>116960104
Illya was good. We need a show like that every single season. There's nothing like it airing right now. We also need more explicit romances like kurenai.
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How long till anime is dead? As in never seen in the mainstream at all?
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CC2 sure has fun in it

http://www.cc2.co.jp/blog/?p=12770
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>>116960673
Speak for yourself faggot.
What you need is a cold shower.
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>>116960651
Gamergate?
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>>116960653
Never said they didn't, but 90% of that list is worth watching. I've never seen anyone talk shit about Noitamina. And I hope I don't see that here.
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>>116960653
>Fractale
Sure.
>Guilty Crown
Say whatever you want about GC and I will probably agree, but it still doesn't change the fact it's one of the series I have enjoyed the most.
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>>116960673
But we already have Illya 3 season next year
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>>116960653
>C
>Samurai Flamenco
>Kids on the Slope
>Psycho Pass
>Terror in Resonance
>Moyashimon
>Black Rock Shooter
>Ano hana
>Un go

You forgot those hipster m8
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>>116960674
Never.
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>>116960674
But anime is not that mainstream in the first place
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>>116960490
But I'm a male.
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>>116960795
>Anohana
>miss
What?
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>>116960866
Explain Attack On Avengers or whatever the Snk/Marvel crossover is called.
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>>116961085
Shit forced drama
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>>116951219
>They're making it for a particular audience.

Yes. Thank god. I am fucking sick of everybody trying to appeal to a wide audience. It turns everything into the same generic shit with no risks and always afraid of offending somebody.
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>>116951219

>appealing to the mainstream will save video games

For fuck's sake, why do people keep thinking this when it doesn't work?
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>>116961120
Comics pander to the same neckbeard virgins audience as anime
When they will make fullblown hollywood snk/marvie crossover movie, then it will be mainstream
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>>116953396
>provided with some manchild at their helm refusing to answer questions by dismissing them with "Weeaboo".

Wait, what, why?
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Anime is 100% declining in the west. Go look at your local Barnes and Noble. Manga section used to be a whole aisle in mine, and now it's about 1/3rd of one and they only carry issue 1 + the newest release of most things
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>>116960795
Sakamichi, Moyashimon, Psycho-Pass and Ano Hana were all at least 7/10.
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>>116961271
Adult Swim probably
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>>116951219

Who the fuck is he? Is he some kind of Japanese version of Diaz?
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>>116951219
>CyberConnect2
>Studio Khara
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>>116961085
Good start, hilariously bad BAAAWWW ending that had me laughing for hours.
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>>116961392
>BAAAWWW ending that had me laughing for hours.
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So, Studio Khara, a fuckhuge animation company with veterans in the anime industry got BTFO by a video game company at making animation?

Just kill the anime industry already.
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>>116961452
Not that anon, but it was indeed funny.
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>>116961452
Ending is just everyone crying and screaming for the whole episode, after 5 minutes you just can't help but crack a smile.
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>>116961282
>Anime is 100% declining in the west.
Good. If I wanted shitty western-style shit I'd watch marvel comics movies.
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>>116961282
This

Also, the best-selling manga of 2013, it's hard to see any new manga title anymore.

1 YU-GI-OH 5DS GN VOL 05 $9.99 VIZ
2 LONE WOLF & CUB OMNIBUS TP VOL 01 $19.99 DAR
3 NARUTO GN VOL 60 $9.99 VIZ
>4 EMPOWERED TP VOL 08 $16.99 DAR not manga
5 SAILOR MOON TP KODANSHA ED VOL 09 $10.99 RAN
6 SAILOR MOON TP KODANSHA ED VOL 10 $10.99 RAN
7 NARUTO GN VOL 61 $9.99 VIZ
8 ATTACK ON TITAN GN VOL 01 $10.99 RAN
9 NARUTO GN VOL 62 $9.99 VIZ
10 SAILOR MOON TP KODANSHA ED VOL 11 $10.99 RAN
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http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/237?articleID=143922
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>>116961295
Quite generous score for garbage anime. I will give you 1/10.
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>>116951219
>Pleb won't find those interesting.
Good.
Also
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>>116961282
I can only hope this is true.
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>>116951219
So moeshit is fine as long as Anno slaps his name on it?
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>>116951856
I've seen way better "CG emulating 2D" than Khara's, here.
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>>116961545
Seriously? All of those shows are at least moderately good. You're a fag.
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>>116960653
Your forgot
>Terror in Resonance
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>>116961233
Explain how All You Need Is Kill being adapted into Edge Of Tomorrow doesn't fit your definition.
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>>116960795
>It's different
>only hipsters can like it
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But video games are worse than ever before BECAUSE they started appealing to the lowest common detonator and focused on profits over making quality series.

They got it backwards, anime has to not make the same mistake video games made.

Also those shorts were cute, cyberconnect always had nice style/direction, the gameplay was always shit though
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>>116961650
>All You Need Is Kill being adapted into Edge Of Tomorrow
Wait, what?
Really?
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>>116961750
>Edge of Tomorrow (also marketed with the tagline Live Die Repeat[nb 1]) is a 2014 American science fiction film starring Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt. Doug Liman directed the film based on a screenplay adapted from the Japanese light novel All You Need Is Kill by Hiroshi Sakurazaka.

Literally the first line of the wiki page.
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>>116961697
Western games and especially the mobile industry? Sure, though most of the cancer that is coming is from different people wanting just profitable firms.

I am not sure if I can say the same about the Japanese game industry though. I don't know much about it really, but how many people really do know anything that isn't just mainstream? In many regards the more niche games I have seen from there haven't really changed much in the last few decades. Which seems to be almost a bad stagnation.
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>>116961697
Video games industry needs another crash.
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>>116961829
How good is it as an adaption?
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>>116961233
I don't think you know what comics have turned into.
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>>116961697
Wider audience could also mean wider range of story that could be produced and not your typical highschool SoL bullshit.
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>>116961873
Its coming. Budgets for AAA+ titles gets ridicules high and they have to sell more and more copies/DLC. It has to crash at some point.
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>>116961697
>Also those shorts were cute, cyberconnect always had nice style/direction, the gameplay was always shit though
I'm not a furfag but I enjoyed Solatorobo immensely despite the repetitive gameplay. And there was a definite anime influence in that game, christ, the final fight with Baion is basically a homage to Simon vs. the Antispiral.
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>>116961877
Can't say, didn't watch it. But it seems to stay true according to the wikipedia pages.
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I'm confused about which one is Khara's and which one is this other studio because the second one obviously looks better and I would think it was the anime studio's meaning Khara but people are saying Khara's looks bad.
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Where the fuck is Solatorobo 2?

Wait, is this /v/?
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>>116961877
As an adaption its kinda meh, but the movie itself is pretty good.
Tom Cruise doing Tom Cruise things, and it doesn't take itself too seriously, which is probably the right way to adapt something like this.
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Will people -still- be bitching about this shit in another 20 years?
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>>116962053
Second video is made by Khara and people are hating it since it uses shit 12fps framerate and try to look more like anime, on the other hand we have CC2 who actually make something smoother with better fps, more staff, and looks more like a game.
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>>116961877
Turns out Tom Cruise is the anime protagonist we always wanted.
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>>116961938
Into what?
Who even read that shit nowadays? Even naruto or fsn have more logic and well-written characters than marvel comics
Last time I heard they made spiderman a gay nigger and turned thor into transgender woman or something
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>>116961697
Western games have.

It's more a problem for games, though, since there are SO many kinds of games, and making them all the same completely misses the point. Anime has been pretty focused on one audience, though. It'd be better if it started to diversify. Manga doesn't seem as bad as manga with this, by the way.
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>>116962281
I am not disagreeing with you, though. They have turned pretty bad.
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>>116962281
>western comics = capeshit
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>>116962197
>what happened to classy anime
Remember when anime was good?

>Will people -still- be bitching about this shit in another 20 years?
This is the internet Anon. Of course they will. Maybe they won't be talking about Madoka Magica, but but bet your bottom dollar they'll be bitching about it forever.

Even if anime dies in Japan, there will still be a small community shitting their pants over stuff.
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>>116962342
It's unfortunately largely true.
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>>116961969
Won't that just crash AAA? The smaller scenes are doing well enough.
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>>116962363
Maybe if you are a murrifat
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3MnoSS5Hw

Western animation is far superior to eastern animation.

I bet you can't even see the 3DCG in this one.
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>>116962278
Based Tom Cruise.
He fucks loli and doesn't afraid of anything
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>>116962281
Apparently Captain America is black now too. Or muslim, fuck knows. Super hero comics are going full retard with "reimagining" all the time tho, people have been reading the same stories with the same heroes and slight alterations or additions for years.
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>>116962387
come on, everybody knows that disney is on a whole other level animationwise.
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>>116962197
Of course they will.

Fucking idiots. The, like, first anime was based on how kawaii Bambi was.
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>>116962371
Of course just the AAA titles. Medium sized ones or just "AA" will just do fine.
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>>116962415
Thor is a girl now.
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>>116962387
Ah yes, anon. How true.

>>116962428
>first anime was based on how kawaii Bambi was.
Bait/10 but godamn you got me mildly mad.
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>>116962383
So what are good recent comics without capeshit and superheroes?
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>>116962535
>Bait
The
>like
should tip you off that I'm not speaking factually, you autist.
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