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The problem with Japan's animation industry - Otakus?

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>Q: You’ve said that too many young animators are otaku (obsessed fans) who have little real-life experience. All they know is the world of anime.

>A: That trend still exists and it takes away from the power of Japanese animation and manga. It was inevitable, though. I managed to work for 51 years with just paper, pencils and film. My wife told me the other day that I should be thankful for that.’You’re a lucky man,’ she said. My son’s generation and the one coming up after can’t work with just paper and pencils any more so I can’t tell you how that’s going to turn out. I managed to avoid using a computer. I don’t even have a cellphone. I feel lucky I managed to live like that. (laughs)

>Q: The Tokyo Festival is screening a Hideaki Anno retro this year. Not long ago your producer, Toshio Suzuki, said Anno would be the leader of the Japanese animation industry for the next ten years. Do you agree?

>A: Anno is a friend of mine so I wish him the best of luck. It will be hard work though. The kind of animation he loves, made with paper and pencils, is dying. I still plan on doing small projects with paper and pencils, but no more feature films.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/hayao-miyazaki-governors-award-recipient-says-i-intend-to-work-until-the-day-i-die-1201347826/
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What a bunch of useless old farts, Moe sells, self insert MC sell and battle harems sell. Get the fuck over it.
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I wish this old faggot would shut the fuck up.

How come every old employee in the industry mostly the one who have influenced it start criticizing the industry they've worked for but never tried to change it despite complaining its full of otakus or moeshit or the VA's sound like whores.
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>>116813474
>Anno is a friend of mine so I wish him the best of luck. It will be hard work though. The kind of animation he loves, made with paper and pencils, is dying.

Then why are the Rebuilds full of shitty CGI?
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How crotchety can one old man get
>the animation industry is dying because computers
>m-muh cellphones
Get with the times, Jii-san
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Overrated fucks. I'd rather watch Disney than his shit and I hate Disney.
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>Miyazaki is still alive
>Kon is dead
There is no justice in this world.
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When will he die?
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>>116813540
>moe sells
Miyazaki films sell much better.
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/a/ gets pissed because he is right.
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>>116813474
It's like reading MAL posters LOL.
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Wow, didn't expect moe-fags to be so butthurt. Do you guys need that much validation for your interests?
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>>116813741
The only one who's butthurt is Miyazaki.
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>>116813741
I'm just wondering when he'll die because he's so old lol.
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But pretty much every anime is still drawn on paper with pencils. This old man is crazy.
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>>116813540
like 10k copies?
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Holy fuck everyone is a fucking cancer here
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>>116813591
Because he doesn't love Eva. He sees it as something to fund whatever he wants to do next.
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>>116813795
Why doesn't he do anything else then?
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>>116813741
But Cross Ange is my fav show this season, dweeb. You're in the wrong hobby if you care about ``intellectual stimulation'. Learn to have fun.
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>>116813785
The difference between the original 08th MS Team OVA and the special that they put out for the BD release is staggering. Digital animation vs cels is probably what he's going on about.
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>>116813717
This.
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http://otakumode.com/news/5455a5926cf77b3a4848ed43/Interview-with-Hideaki-Anno-Creator-of-Evangelion-1-2

>It feels like the Japanese animation system and the animators are deadlocked right now. I particularly feel that in the Japanese animation industry. I want something that can help to break through that deadlock. It’s not something that will just appear if you wait long enough. So I teamed up with Kawakami to see if we could come up with a new project like that, something that would tear down the current state of things. It’s like a resistance. Even if we do it, the animation industry won’t change. We know it won’t change, but we just can’t help but do something. At this rate, the animation industry will decline, and rather than wait for that to happen, we’d rather fight against it until the end with all we’ve got. That’s how I feel.

>──How do you see the current state of the Japanese animation industry? Where is it headed? What needs to happen before it can progress?

>I think the Japanese animation industry will begin to decline. It's past its peak. It will be in decline for a while and once it hits bottom, it will rise up again. What I'm most worried about is whether or not there will be enough people left to lift it back up at that point. Most animation production companies have just barely enough staff. With these conditions, it's only a matter of time before things fall apart. Maybe five years, maybe 10. Most people are saying that it won't last 20 years. Five years at the earliest, 20 at the latest.

>...I don't know how the economy will turn out, but the number of animators is steadily decreasing. If less people are working in the animation industry, things will naturally taper off. It probably won't be an environment that lets us do the same type of interesting work that we can do now. But I think other countries in the world will take our place. I think animation will certainly live on somewhere, just not necessarily in Japan.
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I fully agree with taking inspirations from real-life experience, but refusing to use a computer and even a cell phone is an excellent example of stagnation and narrow-mindedness.
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>>116813852
He is still an idiot. I can thing of stunning cell anime and can also think of stunning modern anime and can think of lots of crap on both. Both can be good or bad but it really is depends on what the producers do. being on cells or not doesn't make anime magically look better.
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I wonder what he thinks of eva.
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>Hollywood is bad because it only caters to the average normal person
>Anime is bad because it only caters to the average neckbeard
Ignoring otaku won't make the average anime less shit, it'll just make it the same shade of shit as most mainstream entertainment. And if was forced to eat shit I'd at least like to have a choice.
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>the problem with anime are the only people who care about it
The only way the anime industry would even survive without them would be if it had kids as their target audience. In that case the overall quality would plummet too since kids have no standards.
Even if anime were enjoyable for normalfags they wouldn't watch them because grownups don't watch cartoons. That's just how they are.
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>>116813474
So Hideaki Anno isn't an otaku?

Most of the old guys were otaku in the same like the young guys.
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>>116813910
Yes. He sees the new generation as becoming soft, weak, self validating anti-socialites.

Miyazaki loves anime but not the plusses that are dominating the field.
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>>116813784
never
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>>116814014
>Even if anime were enjoyable for normalfags they wouldn't watch them because grownups don't watch cartoons.
Hahaha no.
Everyone loves ghibli specially old people
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>>116813980
Hollywood is still better than anime, though.
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what people are missing is this is a Japan problem, not an animation problem.
you can't fix animation without fixing the broken Japanese culture
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>>116814078
And swap it out for what?
The almost equally broken Western culture?
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>100%
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>>116814118
>implying Western culture isn't great
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>>116814030
>Miyazaki loves anime

depends, he hate all those moe shows or generic edgy shit like mirai nikki
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>>116814078
>you can't fix animation without fixing the broken Japanese culture
You can't fix what's not broken.
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>>116814078
Today it's all about appealing to and reinventing fetishes for a real female fearful audience.
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>>116814157
weeb
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>>116813562
cause theyre in for the money. it's like Anno, who complains for the past 15 years and says how things have to change, but the rebuilds sell to well to change
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This season is actually pretty good.
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>>116814185
gook
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>>116813474
what's the source on the OP?
google gives nothing
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>>116814132
I can't wait to watch this.
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>>116813474
He's saying to get out of the fuckin house and enjoy what's real. Then artistically express yourself.
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>>116814132
>RT
>indicative of anything
Truly Cat Ballou must be a masterpiece of cinema, it is the shining star towards which Anno fixes his course, striving ever onward to reach more of its light.
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>>116813811

Are you stupid? EVA is bank rolling at least 30 other works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jsCNtNVEo4
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>>116814327
>reviews counted:20
sure is reliable
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>>116814322
>otaku
>artists
They are vile creatures than can only draw disgusting porn. Their souls are completely rotten.
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>>116814334
Why are they all shit then?
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>>116814346
>Anno's movie
>44 reviews
Wow it's just under my arbitrary minimum credibility limit how about that. Just one more review and I might have taken it seriously.
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>>116814362
Femwhore please.
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>>116814382
>Anno's movie
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>>116814327
It's an old film.
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>>116814250
Some documentary about anime auteurs from Miyazaki's generation. I thought it would be easy to find, but goddamn, I had no idea Miyazaki had been in so many documentaries.
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>>116814382
>implying it isn't MY movie
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>>116814397
Typical otaku scum. Truth hurts.
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>>116813474
>Q: Is your son Goro going to take over Studio Ghibli? It seems that he has been preparing for that role. (Note: Goro Miyazaki has directed two films for Studio Ghibli, both box office hits.)
>A: No, I don’t think like that. Individual ability should be the deciding factor. It’s not something to inherit like property. I think my son would be against the idea as well.
based
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>>116814462
There's no need to lash out just because you've gained yet another fat roll, you hambeast.
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>>116814362
Nobody is irredeemable. They just need to get out and see some new inspirations rather than the same high school roof top setting that's in a million other works.
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>>116814485
Actually I'm a skinny man.
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>auteur complaining about an industry where auteurs are increasingly irrelevant
Shocking. And in true spiteful fashion he blames everybody and everything but himself for his own obsolescence.
>muh old ways are better
>curse this modern society and its amazing technology
>curse these young people who never had it as shitty as I did growing up
>everybody should be forced to live in the same shitty way I did so they can produce art that I think is good instead of the art that people actually want to buy
>anime is dying because I can't make movies I like anymore and because people I don't like are supporting the industry
The last gasp of a fossilized curmudgeon. I look forward to when his braying finally ends.
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>>116814514
That makes you even more pathetic.
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>>116814365

You haven't even seen them
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>>116814030
>>Miyazaki loves anime
No, he loves himself and his own productions, and productions that are similar to his own. He despises any anime that he can't see himself in because he's a narcissist who believes that if he cannot thrive in the industry then then industry is dying.
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>>116814518
>auteur complaining about an industry where auteurs are increasingly irrelevant
what the fuck are you talking about? the cult of staff is greater today than it was in the 90's
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>>116814664
He is right. Otaku are killing the industry.
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>>116814664
His movies made great bucks; Miyazaki's primary problem is age and modern animators not following his ideas about animation.
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>>116814664
He wants anime to worth something. Not a contest to see who can get the fans dicks tingling the most.
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>>116814702
Otaku created the anime industry, they're just different types of otaku. 80's fans were the Heavy Metal/Treekie kinda otaku.
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>>116814760
>anime
>ever worth something

Good one.
Anime has never been anything more than cheesy cartoons that look pretty.
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>>116814801
Not including anime films.
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>>116814840
No, it's all the same shit.
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>back in my day we only had paper and pencil and it was way better

Holy shit, what a dumb old fart.
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>>116813474
3 broad types
>Shounen, kids stuff etc - Self sustaining, it gets the highest tv ratings, sells some manga/games too
>Mature/DEEP/Anime is art - will flop unless there is waifu material
>Highschool comedy/Cute girls doing cute things
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Pencil and paper will always bet better than modern computer-aided animation.

If you disagree you have shit taste.
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>>116814905
It's not taste, it's objective fact. For the indefinite future, probably long after our bones are dust, film will have more detail than digital.
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>>116814138
Yes, I can't wait for endless shounenshit run through feminist filters.
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>>116815004
Better than moe/ecchi shit.
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>>116814424

to you
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>>116814893
It's funny that some of the best selling and most popular anime don't fit into any of those.

Like Bakemonogatari. It's a harem / supernatural drama series, the absolute pinnacle of everything Miyazaki hates really, and it's the best selling anime of the last 15 years.
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>>116813474
The callous way he talks about his sons is irritating. A classic case of the extremely out of touch father.
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>>116815021
>>>/v/

The only people who hate moe are the people who've never experienced it, and the only people who hate ecchi are prudes with colossal sticks up their asses.
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>>116814586
>You haven't even seen them

you need to eat shit to know it tastes like shit!
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>>116815033
>and it's the best selling anime of the last 15 years
Nope, that would be anything by Miyazaki.
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>>116815079
I didn't know Miyazaki made TV anime, I thought he just made movies. Oh wait.
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>>116814801
So does almost every piece of entertainment.
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>>116815033
Focus is on harem, multiple waifus
Self insert MC
Perfect otaku bait

That's what otaku culture distils into, genderswap all the female characters in the Fate/Stay series and it wouldn't be half as popular
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>>116815033
I dont know, there is a suprisingly large amount of people who believe monogatari is deep and artful.
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>>116815108
His films are still anime.
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>>116815108
I hope you are not suggesting Miyazaki has never done TV anime. Because that is wrong.
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>>116815193
They are also films which are not sold in the same venues as TV anime since they have a box office gross as well as disc sales.

TV anime are compared because they are sold in the same venue, people don't compare them to webtoons or western cartoons because those venues are different.
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>this thread
That thing about too many Otaku in the industry is bullshit. Miyazaki never meant that as a slur against Otaku, he meant that young animators don't study "people" and realistic motions enough, and it comes across in the work. He also laments the decline of 2D hand drawn for 3D CGI. Why would he criticize Otaku in one sentence, and then Praise Anno in another? Anno epitomized Otaku in the industry, and regardless of his skills as a director, his animation skills are astounding.

Don't let dumb gossip sites ruse you.
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>>116815189
Those are people who never watched it or only watched one episode and couldn't understand it.

It's actually kinda funny people calling a fan-service filled drama "deep" or "artsy" just because it has unusual visuals. Goes to show how utterly narrow minded a lot of these supposed "serious" anime fans are.
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>I managed to avoid using a computer. I don’t even have a cellphone
Haha, oh wow. And people take him seriously?
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>>116813474
Old man didn't know how disgusting the current real world is.
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>>116815158
So what? Why do you act like that's a bad thing? Is it because you've never actually watched or read any of it?
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>>116815340
I think it's impressive that he can be that way in a world where more and more things are becoming digital.
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>>116815079
The Wind Rises only sold 210k copies that isn't even close to Rebuild 3 at 580k.
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>>116815411
It's retarded.
>this arbitrary amount of technology I had as a kid was perfect
>it has nothing at all to do with what I was used to as a kid and my own fear of the new and unknown
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>>116815434
>210k copies
Source?
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>>116815410
>Shit/no characterisation
>Weird editing

Self insert MC is a bad thing
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>>116815434
What about ticket sales?
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>>116815489
>Shit/no characterisation
Monogatari series is basically nothing but characterization. Thanks for proving you never watched it.
>Weird editing
>Nuuhhhh! Different bad! Me want cliches!
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>>116814195
Well I guess, It doesn't seem like anyone is bothered to change the Industry. Yamamoto tried but I guess he gave up at the first hurdle.
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>>116815411
He isn't, he's just bluffing to try to sound all high and mighty. Of course he uses computers and of course he has a cell phone.
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>>116815483
Oricon?

>>116815512
Wind Rises got about double.
Kaze tachinu (The Wind Rises) Toho $119,513,192 7/20
Evangelion Shin Gekijôban: Kyu (Evangelion 3.0) Klockworx $59,891,241 11/17
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Can he just die already?
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>>116815512
Box office gross was like 5.2 million dollars domestic, about 110 million worldwide. Worldwide, it's one of his lowest grossing films ever. Domestically, it did better than Mononoke at least.
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>>116815572
>Oricon?
Are you sure those aren't first day or first week sales?
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>>116813474
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>>116815586
He hasn't pissed off enough people yet. The world still needs him.
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>>116815624
>>116815586
See>>116815333

Don't let retarded americans misrepresent Miyazaki.
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>>116815601
>Domestically, it did better than Mononoke at least.
Not according to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_Japan
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i think he meant for Otaku to get out and get some real experiences. I mean do you people want the same generic school life harem anime. I thought /a/ wanted something more. I thought /a/ were different from any other site that discuss anime. Looks like I'm wrong.
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>>116815333
sure, because there aren't enough interviews with him about how he thinks otakus are ruining the industry
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>>116815680
So you're assuming that all Anime is about school and harems?
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>>116815680
Yeah you were, now leave.
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>>116815619
Yes, that is complete to date.

Wind Rises ranked last week for DVD only and it was 127,252, last reported figures for the BD are 71,515.
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>>116815457
>fear
He says repeatedly how lucky he is to live the way he wants to; he's not afraid of anything, it's a matter of personal choice. He's lived his life without such devices and it hasn't stopped him from being successful. His actual fear is that technology will destroy the art form he's devoted himself to his entire life. Consdering Disney-Pixar has abandoned traditional animation, it's not an unfounded fear either.
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>>116815680
What are you talking about? It's the normalfags on every other anime discussion board that want anime to be animated western 2deep4u indie films.

>>>/tv/
>>>/mu/
>>>/soc/
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>>116815647
Miyazaki is a cantankerous old coot who alienates more and more of the industry every passing year with his bile about how modern anime is garbage.

He spits on otaku by insulting their tastes and insults the animators who produce those shows he considers garbage. It's not a surprise he feels like the industry is dying, he probably has more and more doors slammed in his face with all the bridges he burns with these comments. He can't open his mouth anymore without inserting his foot.
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>>116815524
Thought we were talking about Bakemonogatari here? Nice goal post moving

>Different = DEEP
You're so easy to impress

The general idea behind the plot is actually pretty decent. Unfortunately, every single other aspect of the series is what turns this decent-sounding story into pure shit as it tries to cater towards otaku in a subtle, yet vastly blunt spaghetti pile full of tropes and fetishes under the false disguise of actual storytelling.
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>>116813474
I agree with him on some points but I disagree with his hate of modern technology. Computers can be tools just like paper and pencil to create something artistic and meaningful. I think he is just being silly with his hate on technology.
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>>116815707
Over 50% feature highschool
Over 90% feature highschool age charatcers
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Who decided who gets to be the leader of Anime?
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>>116815846
That's just what Japan wants and that's what you'll get. You can make Entertaining,Fun,and Excellent anime even though it has school setting with school aged characters.
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>>116815680
You're wrong ffs. What the hell does animator have something to do that influence the genre of a show.
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>>116815896
>That's what Japan wants
You mean the fat, sweaty, dregs of japanese society who have the industry in a stranglehold?
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>>116815158
>Focus is on harem, multiple waifus
>Self insert MC
>Perfect otaku bait
Those can be fine, but usually they follow suit with a few additions
>Nothing gets resolved
>They focus more on shitty harem than anything they have going for them(story setups: I.E: Nobility clich)
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>>116815816
Classic shitposter responses to Monogatari. I never once said it was DEEP, I was even mocking retards who call it that. It's a harem series build on character interaction, there's nothing to analyze or unpack because the characters talk at extreme length about everything going on, so there's nothing for the audience to do but sit back and take it in.

And if you watch Monogatari for the plot you've missed the point. Where things go is much less important than how things happen. It's so easy to get lost in the conversations and visuals of the show because they are interesting in their own right, not just because of how they propel a plot forward. It's highly rewatchable because of this.
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>>116815934
It's funnt that the best selling anime aren't high school harems.
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>>116815798
Says who? You? You go there? I was just saying this based on what i read on /a/. People are already getting tired of the same cliche repeated all the time in different settings. It's like you like something like F/SN, Monogatari, Eva, Lain and Madoka which are really highly overrated by normalfags. /a/ was the only place to think differently and knows that none of this shows were not anything deep or meaningful.
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>>116815812
It's more like he can't say anything without retards either misinterpreting it or taking everything he says as a personal offense.
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>>116815896
It's what producers want and push. If it weren't for massive marketing and inbred anime culture, this shit wouldn't have any audience.
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>>116815934
Whoever buys the Anime in Japan dictates the direction it goes and that's the end of that.
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>>116815969
There's nothing to misinterpret. He's not ambiguous at all about how he feels with modern anime. He despises it. He feels he's above it.
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>>116815966
Harem has become broader due to waifu culture

e.g. Madoka
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>>116816010
Not even modern anime, he already said he despised anime as early as the 80s.
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Lots of otaku butthurt going on in this thread. Just get over it. Your fucking whole "sub culture" is fucking stupid and likes only garbage.
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>>116815967
"Real experiences" is a codeword for "indie cinema bile" and you know it, normalfag.
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>>116815489
>>116815158
>>116815033
>>116815189
>>116815336
/a/ has this problem where if someone believes a dumb opinion, /a/ has to go off and be equally retarded, but in the opposite direction. I certainly don't think Bake was absolutely fantastic or anything, but to say that it has no merit of any kind is going off the deep end on the other side. Bake tries a ton of interesting and creative stuff. It very often fails at it, but it's still plenty original in its own right. I won't defend the later Monogataris though, Nise and on has Fanservice and pandering down to an art but fails to deliver anything more.

Writing aside, and only looking at production, Bake was very much the brainchild of Tatsuya Oishi. He's not a very well known director, but he worked extensively on the show and x365. And you can tell. While the later seasons, and most Shaft shows, have shinbou trademarks like stilted angles, wide-angle lens, and bizzare colors, Oishi prefers a minimalist approach with heavy emphasis on two-tone shading, a highly restricted color pallette, intense light play, and either extreme far shots or full frontal close-ups. Bake is more unified visually as a result, compared to Moon Phase or Cosette or any other definitive Shinbou show.

The real creativity of this, though, is in the atmosphere that Oishi creates. Notice how in Bake, not a single person besides the main characters ever appears? This is equally true for Hidasketch or whatever, but in Bake it's much more prominent due to the far shots. You have these massive sets, streets at night or a park or a giant school, and it's all completely empty save for two people talking. It creates this immensely isolated and lonely feeling that I haven't seen any other anime replicate nearly as well, though things like YKK, Lain, and parts of Video Girl Ai do try similar things. The effect is that you focus more on the conversation, because of this isolation. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but it's very clever.
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>>116815934
>>116815984
I'll never understand retards like this who somehow believe otaku "took over" anime or that producers wrested away anime and gave it to otaku. It's like you retards have no idea how markets work.

Otaku are the lifeblood of anime because nobody else was buying. It's been this way since the early 80s. Normals rarely ever buy anime, you can't predict when they'll suddenly latch onto something and buy it in droves. Producers stick to "otaku genres" because they know those will at least get sales every season and allow them to make money. They take a few risks every season to see if something will catch the mainstream's eye, and those risks are bankrolled by the dozens of shows that otaku shell out money for.
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>>116816075
Fuck off normalfag

>>116815698
There's one. And it was a mistranslation by ANN. Get your head out your ass. When he says "little real life experience," he's referring to the fact that they don't study realistic motion. That's why the rest of his comment is about animation. Stop being so retarded.

Normalfags just want to paint Miyazaki as an Otaku hater, while Miyazaki himself names many Otaku animators as his favorite in the industry. Don't give unwarrrented hate and eat up this bullcrap. Then /v/ and reddit wins.

>>116815812
Only because you can't take the time to actually read his comments. It's well known that his original statement is a mistranslation.
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>>116816115
And most forget that if normals in Japan do watch anime, it's mostly on TV instead of VHS/DVD/BLURAY
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>>116816115
That's not quite true. It's Otaku and children.
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>>116816075
Yes, yes, this kind of thing irritates me the most. Now go back fucking your gf, faggot.
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>Koyomi Araragi
Araragi is the protagonist of the show. He is 1/10th vampire and gets the shit beaten out of him on a few occasions. He is your typical anime nice guy, underdog, highschool student, you name it. Japanese men ages 16-21 year olds can associate with him, 21-30+ year olds wish they could be him. He is always under a lot of [sexual] pressure from his peers, as they are all girls. Of course, he always turns their advances down as he is loyal to Senjougahara for whatever reason. Despite Senjougahara threatening his life and being all-around abusive to Araragi, he seems to look past every inch of abuse and continues to try and court her. Or maybe it’s the other way around. He is hinted at being somewhat of a lolicon and a hypocrite when it comes to incest.

>Hitagi Senjōgahara
Meet Anime Stereotype #2. And the first in the list of otaku fetish stereotypes. Senjougahara is a cold and verbally abusive girl towards even the man she loves. She’s the epitome of Tsundere (or Kūdere, if you want to be specific). Her hobbies include cock teasing Araragi and initiating boring convoluted conversations that last for whole episodes at a time that end up just being about Araragi’s virginity or some shit. You can see her mouth in action in this dramatic interpretation.

>Mayoi Hachikuji
Anime Stereotype #3. Hachikuji is a tsundere loli wondering spirit. She does nothing but fight with Araragi and give him streetside info. She’s kind of like a drug dealer. But instead of drugs she deals information and free molestation, as she gets molested by Araragi on a regular basis.

etc,

also, pic related
These animation number scenes show up every five fucking seconds in this show. It’s meant to draw an artistic atmosphere, but really it’s just lazy as fuck.
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>>116816010
To be fair, he kinda is. At least in the sense that he doesn't have to scrabble for the next big thing that HAS to sell. He is an old master that doesn't give a shit and doesn't really have to.

Although, he presumably had to do a lot of bullshit to get to that point. So if you have to hate Miyazaki then hate him for his lack of empathy for the young men and women that are in the same place he was 51 years ago.
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>12,000 years in ms paint
I need some help filling this out
Is Yamakan an old man now?
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>>116816115
>Normals rarely ever buy anime, you can't predict when they'll suddenly latch onto something and buy it in droves.
Its called QUALITY, and I want to know why its a foreign concept to Japan.
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>>116816265
Yeah that must be why SnK became so incredibly popular in the mainstream, because it's so high quality.
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>>116816265
But Japan loves QUALITY more than any other country in the world.
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>>116816186
>Unlimited Bait Works
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>>116816159
That doesn't really matter. Normalfag shows don't make money from BD sales as much, it's mostly from ratings and ad revenue.

>>116816099
Also, I should mention that Bake has this very unique structure. It's very clearly a harem series, but it has a clearly defined 3-act form and bizzarely, centers around a romance. Most Harems, if not all harems, since the days of LH and Tenchi build their appeal around not romance, but vaguely arousing acts and a series of uncertain romantic relationships. There's no firmness there, only unspoken crushes. It lets you create a dynamic where one guy could be surrounded by girls, and for it not to get weird. Bake has the leads start going out in the second arc, and though a different girl is the focus for each, everything in the story ties back to the romance, and the female lead is almost as relevant throughout as the MC. Now that's refreshing to see in a harem.

The later series toss that completely out the window and it's back to pussyfooting around, but still, good for Bake.
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Why are we still getting such threads during such a great season?
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>>116816310
It's just the best of a new wave of shounen, kids like the grittiness of it I guess
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>>116816132
>I simply can't discuss the business we are in without a bit of bitterness. Compared to some of the works from the 1950s that I will always hold as a gold standard, the animation we are making in the 1980s resembles the food served on jumbo jet airliners. Mass production has changed everything. The emotions and thoughts that should be so moving have given way to showiness, nervousness, and titillation. And work that should be done lovingly by hand has been whittled away at within organized production systems that focus on straight work for hire. I frankly despise the truncated word "anime" because to me it only symbolizes the current desolation of our industry.
>-Hayao Miyazaki, January 1988

>As far as viewers are concerned, well, they are being bombarded with images around the clock, and they have come accustomed to an infinite supply of them; it's gotten to the point where they have no qualms about demanding even more. Viewers will forever demand that we give them their shows every week, that when a seasons up we follow with another season of shows – without any idea of how much time and energy we creators have to invest, to give of ourselves, to create a single episode. Sometimes they even have the nerve to tell us that last year there was such and such, but this year there hasn't been anything good on at all.
>-Hayao Miyazaki, January 1985

He has definitely had a long held dislike of the way the anime industry went after it became a commercialized industrial crank 'em out type machine and he also seems to resent the fans for not appreciating the work that goes into it. He seems to blame Tezuka for it more than Otaku or anyone else for that matter though.
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>>116816350
Gotta yell at something.
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>>116816350
Miyazaki is mad because there is not enough European scenery porn this season, that's why.
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>>116816242
>miyazaki not 5/5 skill
dude drew Nausicaa ffs

also anno got so angry with miyazaki while working with him he threatened to kill him, so his shit-talking level should arguably be higher
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>>116816347
>That doesn't really matter. Normalfag shows don't make money from BD sales as much, it's mostly from ratings and ad revenue.
Only manga adaptations make ad money

original shows, BUY 1am timeslots from the networks and need to sell DVD/BD to survive
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>>116816387
That was sarcasm genius. SnK is trash. It's popular because it's basically zombie fiction + mobile suit tropes.
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>>116816242
See

>>116816132
>>116815333
The only one who could be called a bitter old man is Tomino. Anno made his wife watch ideon and Okada is still an Otaku. Just because they have different opinions from time to time doesn't mean they're "bitter old men"

Fuck off, reactionary retard.

>>116816397
Yeah, that makes more sense. He's always been more of a movie guy, though.
Clearly he doesn't have anything against Otaku though.

>>116816439
That's why I said normalfag shows. Anything in a primetime slot is definitely going to make most its money from ads.
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>>116816432
Source, faggot.
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>>116816310
SnK is pretty good, but is large pacing issues, BUT.... it also takes a long time to reach said pacing issues.
So for adapting SnK, it will take al ot of time to reach said pacing issues. It should come to no surprise that a good anime, with a good premise, that keeps said promise for most of its adaption: Do sell well.

>>116816440
I suggest readin SnK. How many chapters do you have to read before the issues before glaring? I would say around 50 chapters, which is barely a year less than what the on going format is.
And even then, there is still a few gems. Like Erens characterization.
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>>116816461
>That's why I said normalfag shows. Anything in a primetime slot is definitely going to make most its money from ads.
Primetime shows are usually shonen, kids shows

I think you're thinking of something more like Steins;Gate or Nisemonogatari which would get shit timeslots
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>>116816527
holy shit how retarded can one be

> with a good premise, that keeps said promise
the premise goes out of the window in the first half of the show when it's suddenly about superpowers
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>>116816527
GREAT
10/10 - FMA, YYH
9/10 - DB, One Piece
8/10 - JoJo, HxH
GOOD
7/10 - Naruto
6/10 - Ippo, YuGiOh
DECENT
5/10 - SnK, Ranma 1/2
4/10 - Bleach, Magi
BAD
3/10 - Toriko, Medaka Box
2/10 - Fairy Tail
1/10 - Beelzebub
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>>116816496
my bad I had it backwards
>Among the stories of Anno’s time on Nausicaa, it’s said that he suffered from terrible diarrhea, which his colleagues joked was the God Warrior’s curse. Miyazaki sent him a memo saying, “Use two colours for the smoke. If you use three colors, I kill you!” The director also forced Anno to restrict the number of frames in the God Warrior sequence. Anno wanted to die when he saw the final result. That the terrific scene didn’t satisfy him speaks volumes about Anno’s drive, his obsession with bringing titanic images to anime.
http://www.mangauk.com/post.php?p=annos-dominus
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>>116816587
Even with Titan Eren, the premiss stays "everybody dies", for another good 30 chapters.
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>>116816432
Anno generally only gives his opinion when asked and tends to only talk about otaku/anime, whereas Miyzaki will talk shit about any part of modern Japan that doesn't meet his standards. I think he might have a great Shit-talking level than Tomino now that I think about it.
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>>116816397
That is the nature of the entertainment business in general. People want more and it's their job to give it to them.

He may as well blame every person in the world who entertains for a living. Himself included.
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>>116816551
Those might be normalfag shows in the west but not in nipland

Normalfag shows in nipland are for kids.
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>>116816099
>>116816347
What, no counterpoints? I wanted to argue with some bake haters, I guess they all left the thread.
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>>116817214
You have to realize that nobody wants to have a thoughtful debate with you on /a/. If you write that much it is too much effort to go through and pick out points to pick on just to make you mad. Furthermore writing 'lol its shit' or 'SO DEEP' in response will just look pathetic. Reading all that is too much effort just to make someone mad, hence it is ignored.
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>>116817173
I wonder what the hell happened to adult oriented anime in Japan. There were a couple of shows in the 60s and 70s for adults that got a significant 'normal' following.
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>>116817421
But anime is for adults.
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>>116817883
If you're still childish, then yes :\
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>>116817941
>:\
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>>116817993
omg he used a smiley DDDDD:
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