What made the monogatari series one of the most successful series of all time?
The fact that Niso can pander and still mock the ever loving shit out of the genre. Hipsters can go "See it's not just pandering garbage" and Otaku can go "I don't give a fuck, My boner says this is right"Truly a winning combination. Personally I've never watched the gatari series and I kinda hate the fact so many people enjoy it.
SHAFT and NisiOisiN. It's pretty much lightning in a bottle
Yotsugi man. She's just a Rei clone that took lessons in being a smartass
True, it's really damn popular enough to make people hate it, but somehow it's gotten me to like it way too easily. The series isn't focused on action but on conversation, wordplay, thoughts on life, and high quality fanservice in more than just the sexual context. It sounds pretentious as fuck but just watch it and make your own decision on whether you like it or not.
Seconding this, can somebody who really understands japanese tell me if the dialogues are considered witty?
Because if yes we might just drop another bomb on them until they evolve into actual humans.
I don't know why you'd be watching Monogatari if you don't want to think. I know the fanservice is good but there is actually some shit to think about. Your dick isn't the only brain you should be using
You should of seen how hard he made translators cry when it came to Medaka Box. Especially during the shitori arc. Shit like that makes me wonder if Niso is part japanese dictionary book.
That even though old and young people both have their problems, everything can be solved with meat, meat, meat.
Fucking obviously, man.
Though there's more philosophical shit like dealing with the theory of fundamental evil, the good vs fake debate, figuring out what is a lie and what isn't. Shit like that
Except in Hanamonogatari. I think he's fully dived into his fetish by this point. Even Kanbaru is worried for Karen
Ok, give me examples of things that considered good "Philosophy" I'm not the best defender of Monogatari because I'm an idiot but I'd like to see what shows you consider better philosophy wise
>The first 1:30 got me hyped
>Turns out it was Kizu
>Been waiting ever since
Fucking hell. I even ended up reading all the LN's Chinese translations to stop the suffering of waiting.
I am still mad about this for some reason.
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Anime isn't philosophy. Philosophy is philosophy. Anime is cheap entertainment, and should be taken as such.
Don't get me wrong, Monogatari is a great show, and gives more to think about than most. I just don't like seeing people act like it (or any anime) deals with any important questions in a meaningful way.
I dunno, I have to disagree. If a show wants to do philosophy then you can't just disregard it because its a show. A show can be as valid as any philosophy textbook. It won't be as informative and whatnot but the show still has to entertain.
The fact we're even discussing this now is a credit to the fact Monogatari can promote philosophical discussion
LOGH , Mushishi.
But what you're saying isn't what other people is saying- you seem to be implying that people are claiming that Monogatari is primarily built around philosophy- when it's just a caveat of it. Same with the above anime.
Just because it isn't deep or meaningful doesn't mean it has no philosophical elements. It sounds like you're just lashing out at all the obnoxious deepfags from other sites.
Perfectly translated and complete
>Nise, S2, Kuro, Hana commentary
Are there any complete translations of those? Last I checked someone was working on Nise's commentary.
>maximum otaku pandering
>fanservice that is actually very high quality and more fetish-y than just generic lolpantyshot cancer
>sweet spot between being just generic enough not to upset otakubabbies comfort zone but not too much so it still feels novel and original in many ways
>It sounds like you're just lashing out at all the obnoxious deepfags from other sites.
You're right, that's pretty much what I was doing. And also toward people who call things "philosophical" and have never read a single piece of philosophy.
But yeah, it doesn't happen often on /a/, which likes the whole "everything that isn't ecchi moe is edgy pretentious shit" meme. There are people who will say monogatari literally contains no fanservice because it's all symbolism. It's impressive it managed to capture both markets.
The few parts that were actually animated looked pretty good.
The only problem were the parts between the fanservice and the parts where actually something happened: I. e. most of the dialogue.
> people who call things "philosophical" and have never read a single piece of philosophy.
The real sad thing is that people seem to think that academic philosophy is just some artsy wank off where people sit around trying to emulate stoners.
>Monogatari contains no fanservice
>What is: Nisemonogatari
If anyone is trying to justify all the fanservice is symbolism (admittedly the toothbrush scene was actually symbolic but it doesn't override that boner you've got watching it) then they're probably not watching Monogatari for what it is
When you call something philosophical, you mean that it examines ideas about existence, morality, governance, etc. Not that it is directly related to the works of Plato, Kant, Hobbes, etc, or that it comes to any conclusions or makes any compelling points. Many novels, movies, and series (anime or otherwise) are philosophical.
Why didn't second season sell nearly as well as bakemonogatari? It was the best one so far, yet it only sold half as much. Was it a timing thing? Are some other factors at play? Or is it just another shocking case of japan having shit taste?
Monogatari is actually incredibly good for conversation if you want to put the effort into thinking about the characters without dumbing it down to shipping or "Crab is a bitch" (For example).
Even Nisio's shit characters in Monogatari do a lot to advance the plot and story as a whole.
People tend to think Monogatari as pretentious shit but it's not claiming to be some sort of philosophical masterpiece. Yeah there's deeper themes and what not but that is all offset by the fact that Araragi is a raging pervert and all his friends are too.
Well I think Maaya Sakamoto was singing a bit quietly, it's like you couldn't hear her and the visuals were quite bland to the point of non-existent.
I'd just say it was a terrible OP that we could done without
ive watched the anime and liked it a lot. right now im through the the hitagi arc in the LN and enjoyed it probably more than the anime but id first watch the anime to get a feel for the characters. makes the LN better imo
Yeah but if they kept in the inner monologues for everything then the series would expand by leaps and bounds.
Also you can be intelligent and a pervert supreme. They aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
I dunno man. I can't say I particularly enjoyed it. It was a personal recommendation to not watch the anime but I'm sure if they watch the show, they'll end up reading the manga anyway
Because it's a twist on the harem genre which makes it pretty enjoyable and there is nothing close to it.
Your second sentence is true, but instead we only get a glimpse of his thoughts while the majority is what everyone else sees: his actions, what he says, etc. It is nice we at least get to hear his thoughts on stuff like his sisters so we can watch him come to accept his siscon and lolicon tendencies.
Yeah, I like how he starts off actually dating a girl in the anime series but is still able to befriend girls throughout the series. It's funnier watching a man try to battle his base instincts in order to protect his relationships than a bachelor try to woo multiple ladies.
I will be the first to admit that I'd rather SHAFT animate all the inner monologue as well but that's an unreasonable request based on the fact I'd like all of Monogatari animated regardless of time length and cost.
I think SHAFT is doing a decent job with picking and choosing what they have to get rid of. Though I seriously doubt the logical behind shortening the Yozuru fight
Also Araragi long ago accepted he was a incestual pedophile. It's just coming to the forefront of his character as time moves on
The harem is really well developed. All the characters just happen to be in love with him and were primarily designed to be interesting. As sad as it is most harems just shove in a bunch of archetypes with zero personality. So Monogatari comes around and it has characters like Mayoi, Shinobu, Kanbaru, and Kaiki. He also gives each harem member a lot of development and screentime. Even Tsukihi has a lot of scenes.
>Hana - DDY
DDY would actually be the best if they had finished.
Kanbaru must be pretty happy with that pun. She must be the Nisio Self-insert
Nah man. He's obviously a pretty self-effacing guy. He'll have his insert in the background so that its not so obvious that its his insert.
Though...if the BB case Afterword is anything to go by then Mayoi is his insert
>tfw my older sister is now interested in this series because of a Senjougahara keychain that she managed to wheedle out of me
She's pretty, but she's not the kind of girl that caters to my tastes.
On the other hand, my little sister is exactly my kind of girl. Which is why I'm so reluctant to tell her what series the keychain is from.
It has a nice visual style, the MC is likable, it has a non generic range of cute girls, the characters have depth and develop over the course of the series, the dialogue between the characters is interesting and funny, and the story is well told.
Why are YOU such a shit?
Complaining about the fanservice bothers me the most when people talk about this show.
You can only complain about the fanservice when it gets in the way of the story not when it's part of it.