>”The Japanese animation industry has hit a dead end �

At least he's providing a solution by backing shortfilms by new animators.

This has been very obvious for years now. For anime to not become either cute girls doing fanservice and the rest of the studios going bankrupt they would need to either be locked behind a pay-per-view type thing or there would need to be a fund to preserve anime as cultural heritage and essentially not be taxed at all by the government.

>>116123605
>>116123827
Anime needs to be more progressive and normalfag

>>116123827
Hasn't anime already been declared a cultural heritage?

He's basically saying that most anime today relies on merchandise, so they make characters that will sell the most dakimuras

>>116123893
> normalfag

But Anno JUST said that they were making anime without commercial considerations.

Says the guy who killed its own franchise for money. I can't believe how hypocrite a person can be.

>>116123991
Yeah, I was wondering the same.

1.11 was great thou.

Anime is otaku-pandering shit and it always will be.

>>116124118
I doubt that was always for money, but I can be wrong.

>>116123924
Possibly, but not in any way that helps it survive while being unique (and not selling)

The irony is real.

Doesn't that mean he wants to make the new Eva moe?

>>116124152
Money was always a factor in some capacity. But it used to be more experimental and wasn't just for one group of people.

>>116124349
After all these years, he is finally sick of Eva. The nightmare is over.

>>116124152
Right, human greed is a brand new thing, before the year 2000 people simply made things because it made them happy to entertain others, and donated all the money they made to charities.

>>116124152
>I doubt that was always for money, but I can be wrong.

Something like 'Roujin Z' could never be made in today's industry. Some of them used to at least pretend to do it for art's sake.

it's pandering to otaku or pandering to normalfags, I take the otaku way

>>116124408
Don't worry anon. He'll milk Eva again when he runs out of money.

>>116124459
Are there even "normalfags" in Japan? I mean the kind of "normalfags" you find in the west. Otherwise I don't see why Anime would try to pander to western normalshits that pirates their product.

>>116124459
>I take the otaku way
>I'm a cute girl loving pedophile and today's anime industry is the only place I can be one in without THAT much shame.

>>116124549
>I'm a cute girl loving pedophile and today's anime industry is the only place I can be one in without THAT much shame
I don't see nothing wrong with that.

>>116124535
Normal japanese people watch anime as a child, manga for a little longer then just watch doramas on TV.

>>116124617
Kill yourself.

>>116124617
>I don't see nothing wrong with that.

That's the problem.

>>116124549
your point?

>>116124667
Stay mad.

>>116124689
I don't see any problems with that either.

>>116124535
>are there even normalfags in japan

yes, did you think they're all watching every anime of the season? They watch a few of the most popular shows, and that's it. Japanese make fun of people like us

>>116124700

You people should be euthanized and put out of your misery, not provided with an unlimited amount of soft cartoon porn in which to live out your sick fantasies.

>>116124152
Yeah, I'm sure hundreds of people one day said "Let's make art!" and paid out of their pockets for production, advertising, TV slots.
Then an evil person said "We should put this into discs and sell it!" and then capitalism ruined everything.

>>116124734
Fair enough. We make fun of them all the time.

>>116124734

Most normal people in Japan don't watch anime. When I lived there and got a girlfriend, I even had to hide the fact that I watched One Piece from her, and that's the most popular fucking show there.

Even being suspected of being an Otaku is a mark of shame.

>>116124770
this shit again

go back to /v/

>>116124802
>Yeah, I'm sure hundreds of people one day said "Let's make art!" and paid out of their pockets for production, advertising, TV slots.

Isn't that what Tezuka did?

>>116124770
Exactly why? For watching chinese cartoons? Oh man your ideas would revolutionaze society.

>>116124804
>Fair enough. We make fun of them all the time.

There are more of them, because they're normal.

>>116124840
pretty much this

while most people still have one or two shows they liked growing up, it's pretty much the same as it is here. being labeled an otaku is social suicide

>>116124885
> they're normal

Like fucking hell they are.

I saw this coming a mile away, the post i read here are disgusting and sick i hope this fucking anime industry dies ASAP spear the world from this cancer.

>>116124989
Go spear yourself, faggot.

>>116124859
You have to read the whole post, Anon.
I'm pretty sure Tezuka didn't donate his earnings from manga to charity.

>>116124989

Yeah, I honestly hope the industry dies soon. It's just become a sick joke. When people used to say all anime is just porn, there were always a few artistic shows that showed it wasn't.

It's true now, though. It's just fucking porn. And worse, pedophile porn! It'll implode soon enough.

>>116123605
>unless we can make animation without commercial considerations
Anno is living in a dream world. Artists have to eat, too.

>>116123605
They won't crowd fund because japs got mad as fuck that baka gaijins funded cute witch anime effortlessly.

Anno is a senile old man spouting shit and directing crap movies since years now.

Also this is the typical "in my generation, everything was better" crap

>>116125042
There's nothing in that post about charity.

>>116124535
I heard somewhere that normal fag japs watch shitty nippon soap operas. They could be the Korean or the Chinese ones as well but goddamn they are boring. It would like having to watch those horrible Australian shows day in day out.

>>116125060
Reddit please go.

>>116125088
>It would like having to watch those horrible Australian shows day in day out.
>Implying you don't want to catch up on Toadie's latest antics in Neighbours

>>116125112
Don't reply to bait just report and move on.

>>116125074
I think it's less that baka gaijins funded it and more that begging for money is seen as a shamefur dispray.

>>116125088
>I heard somewhere that normal fag japs watch shitty nippon soap operas.

Yes, like most adults around the world, "normalfags" prefer live action dramas/comedies to cartoon tits.

>>116125060
can't tell if trolling or just new

>>116125078
>Also this is the typical "in my generation, everything was better" crap

Only this time it's true.

It's great that he stepped up right after Miyazaki retired to carry on his rhetoric of shit-talking anime.

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>>116125196

I've been an anime fan since 95. I tend to only watch 70s/80s anime now, though.

>>116125060
What i find disderbing is how many people support such disgusting shit that comes on the screen.

I see people going full pedo on here and making sick jokes about drawings. Lusting over drawings is low, if this industry ends so will this monstrosity.

>>116125253
>Posts little girl image to prove my point.

Th-Thanks...

>>116125255
>lying on the internet
For what purpose?

You can subsidize the industry and not necessarily expand the viewership, while having more diversity in content. Or you can attempt to break the perspective that animation is for children and weirdos to try to broaden what is marketable. Doing the latter would require some heroic marketing efforts, I imagine.

>>116125088
I thought live-action adaptations of manga were pretty popular as well.

But I don't really know all that much about Japanese live-action television. All I've seen are tokusatsu shows and Tantei Monogatari.

>>116125163
More like cartoon asses but still don't they have homegrown equivalent shows over there? Like a hunting and fishing show, or Nippon version of Top Gear with an asian Jeremy Clarkson. Because soap operas would get boring as shit after a while.

>>116125352

I'm not lying. I just watched Roujin Z yesterday.

I'm gonna watch my bluray of GiTS Arise tonight and see if they haven't ruined that.

Not all of us are sick fucks.

>>116125353
>Or you can attempt to break the perspective that animation is for children and weirdos to try to broaden what is marketable.
And then lose a shitton of money to other studio that actual delivers what the people wants, failing miserably. Money commands anime, it always have been that way.

>>116124840
Exactly. Ayase's scorn of otaku in Oreimo isn't far off from what normal people in Japan think.

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>>116125303

>”My career in the Japanese animation industry has hit a dead end — it will be tough to escape unless I can make animation without commercial considerations,” Anno said in explaining his support of the project. “It may even be too late.”

Fixed.

>>116125352
Hey. He could very easily have wandered in from /m/.

Although that'd make him a hypocrite because 80s mecha shows have the best lolis.

>>116125425
>but still don't they have homegrown equivalent shows over there?

Yeah, they have comedies and all that other shit, except starring nips. Normalfolk the world over tend to like the same boring type of shit.

I'd watch it with my gf before she went off to work and then flip on One Piece or some shit.

She almost caught me watching Madoka once. I'd never been so scared (or changed the channel so fast) in my goddamn life.

>>116125433
>Not all of us are sick fucks.
Where do you think you are?

>>116125353
Changing public perception of anime will be difficult, but you'd have to do so regardless if you want to subsidise the industry.
The Japanese working class probably wont look to fondly on the fact their taxes are going towards funding late-night otaku wankfests.

>>116125442
What. You don't understand. The goal is to change the general public's perspective on the medium, so that what sells is something other than food for pedophiles and manchildren.

There is a lot of money in movies for normals, and there's no particular reason that they couldn't watch the same movies only animated, except their perception of the medium itself is skewed by its extant audience.

The problem isn't "losing money to other studios," it's having the money necessary to brainwash an entire country in the first place.

>>116125586

Sadly, I know where I am.

>>116125544
>having to hide your power level from your normalfag girlfriend
>having a normalfag girlfriend
>having a girlfriend

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>>116125586
>Where do you think you are?
I'm actually quite a nice person on the flipside and have no prior thoughts or desires of ravaging lolis for personal pleasure.

>>116125255
>I tend to only watch 70s/80s anime now,
Then you're probably aware of all the fan service, nudity, and delicious lolis from 80s shows.

>>116125721
I didn't know people could be this faggy.

>>116125687
Why don't you see your way out then, if you dislike this place so much.

>>116125721
are you aware that lolis are drawings and not human beings?

>>116125809

Nahh, it's our duty to fight back against you guys or Mamoru Oshii died for nothing.

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>>116125721
>He doesn't have thoughts or desires of ravaging lolis for personal pleasure.

>>116125809
Because he's baiting retarded fucks like you.

>>116125588
The Japanese working class won't even know what their taxes are spent on anymore than any other uninformed polity does. I don't exactly see a lot of tears shed by them when their money is spent propping up their whaling industry--producing meat no one wants, except from the foreigners that think whales are people.

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There isn't any trouble ahead for the industry, just Anno.

Once again, the Master's ego is at work. If there's trouble ahead for Anno, it means the industry is in trouble too.

>Uh oh, I can't find a way to make the stuff I want to make, I might be forced to work on some seasonal show like a pleb!
>Rabble rabble rabble!
>The industry is in trouble!
>Support artistic pet projects by auteur directors like myself!
>Rabble rabble rabble!

>>116125785
>Then you're probably aware of all the fan service, nudity, and delicious lolis from 80s shows.

There wasn't nearly as much as there is now. I only recall one pair of boobs in the last show I watched (Mobile Suit Gundam).

>>116125785
He isn't because he is a delusional moralfag fascist hopeful that doesn't know nearly as much about the medium as he thinks he does.

>>116125897
>I don't exactly see a lot of tears shed by them when their money is spent propping up their whaling industry--producing meat no one wants

A few of my Japanese coworkers love whale meat. They order it everytime we go to an Izakaya.

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>>116125936
>>There wasn't nearly as much as there is now.
Come again?

There's more anime now if that's what you mean, so there's a lot more of everything.

Proportionately, it's roughly the same, though there was so little anime being made per-year before the 90s that it's hardly a fair comparison.

>>116125544
Jesus. Stop being afraid of your girlfriend and just tell her.

Hell, most of the time folks like you don't hide it as well as you think you do. So chances are she already knows.

>>116125931
You forgot to put:
>Milk eva again
In the start and final of the greentext.

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>>116125986
>He isn't because he is a delusional moralfag fascist hopeful that doesn't know nearly as much about the medium as he thinks he does.

Sure guy.

If you're honestly trying to say there was anywhere NEAR the amount of blatant sick babygirl pedo fanservice in the 80s as there is today, you're just a fucking liar.

>>116123605
This is getting old already.

By "dead end", I'm guessing what he means is that anime panders to the otaku audience and is surviving off of that audience. The problem is that creating anime like that is extremely hard to sell to wider audiences. On one hand if the anime industry stops pandering to the otaku audience, it will die off, but on the other hand if it doesn't start producing anime with wider appeal it will never grow bigger, so there's really nowhere to go.

>>116126017
Please stop replying

>>116125936
>80s anime
>not nearly as much

o i am laffin. Stay delusional, gramps.

>>116125881
"I'm jus trolin guiz xD" biggest retard is you here buddy ;^)

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>>116123605
Then need to bring back some of the hyper-realistic gore that was inherent in the 80s and 90s OVAs. That shit pushed some boundaries big time.

>>116126072
>please stop using evidence

>>116126017
>cream lemon
What a glorious year for loli

This trend will continue until studios can find a consistent alternate sources of funding, the most logical being studios funding there own projects. When you have a someone funding your project they have you by the balls and they will push for maximum profitability, which will involve pandering to popular trends and appealing to the largest amount of customers.

>>116126072
Nah

>>116126110
Thanks for proving my point.

>>116123605
It's easy for somebody flush with cash to tell others to run their business without commercial considerations.

>>116126165
>studios want to lose money
I don't think so.

>>116126165
>the most logical being studios funding there own projects
All animation studios are way too poor for this though. The only way this could happen on an industry level is if many animation studios merged, leaving only a few big studios.

>>116125881
|he's baiting
Not likely. Just another retarded nostalgiafag. We have them all the time.

>>116126214
No, thank you for proving mine :)

>>116126115

Holy fucking shit. Sauce?

>>116123605
His solution is god awful Eva remakes for the masses?

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>>116123925
Sadly it's true.
They've gone so far into pandering, that they've cut off the small niche of people who watched anime for other reasons.
Some people actually watched anime because it use to be a means of enjoying a unique story you couldn't find on the big screen or in any other medium. Anime use to be extremely experimental - this use to be it's big selling point!
Now that anime industry has pigeonholed itself into a pandering repetitious mess, it's going to be a fucking struggle to appeal to outsiders.

They either have to sink with the ship, or find a way to break away from it.

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>>116126115
What ever they were smoking back then must have been some strong shit, the last one that I saw that could just barely compare with the likes of these was Elfen Lied. And even that was pretty fucking tame by comparison.

>>116126225

Well they can't have it both ways, they can't have free artistic merit while being funded by someone else.

>>116126115
I agree we need some more edgy OVAs (and I mean edgy in its original, legitimate sense, calm your neckbeard).

These days the only OVAs I look forward to are ecchi shows like Kiss x Sis or High School DxD.

>>116125721
Yeah because watching modern anime automatically makes you a pedophile rapist.

>>116126018

I'll tell her when we're married. If she already knows, it doesn't matter, and if she doesn't...it'll be too late. She'll be trapped then.

How to profit with anime 80's:
1) Cool looking Robots
2) Cool looking transforming Robots

How to profit with anime 90's:
1) Cool looking Robots
2) Cute lolis.

How to profit with anime 00's:
1) Main cast consist of cute loli girls.
2) Intro and ED song has some catchy dance.

How to profit with anime 10's
1) Main cast has lolis.
2) Main cast has good looking guys.

When people like Anno and Miyazaki complain about the state of the industry you need to understand that they're not consumers, they're directors. They are currently stuck in an industry where there is no room for directors and writers to fulfill their own visions. Literally the only person in the industry who has been able to do whatever the fuck he wants and actually be an artist was Miyazaki.

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>>116126298
He's only making rebuild ironically.

>>116126298
His solution is to give himself more money and indulge his whims. What's good for the Master is good for the Industry, after all. That's how it works in Anno's World.

>>116123893
>progressive
how?

>>116126386
Anno apologists everybody.

>>116126333

Please. Sauce these WebMs. I need to watch some good anime again.

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>>116126275
Read the filename nigger
>>116126350
If they keep it in nipland it will be fine but soon as you start showing those sorts of shows here people are gonna cry bitch tears. Especially if its the likes of women and children getting brutalized on screen.

>>116123827
So you're saying we need Haruhi S3?

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>>116126367
HABBIDING

>>116126354
If she's worth marrying at all, she'll have no problem with your hobbies.

Still, if that's the way you're going to be, be sure to share her reaction when you show her your secret lair dedicated to your waifu.

>>116126068

But you can't predict what will gain wide appeal even if that IS your stated intent. I'm sure something like Coyote Ragtime Show or Licensed By Royal were trying to hit it big in the mainstream, but those series can crash and burn as easy as anything else. For a modern example we can again beat up on Fractale.

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>>116126510
Fine then you little nigger. The first one was Genocyber and the other one is Angel Cop.

>>116126386
By "no room" what you actually mean is nobody is willing to throw money at auteurs anymore. Anno himself was the kind of director and producer who'd take a risk on a script or an idea back in the 80s, and he's not seeing a lot of that kind of attitude anymore.

And that's dangerous (for him) because it means he might soon run out of collaborators willing to invest or work on his projects with him. The industry is becoming very mechanical in how it produces anime.

>>116126608
I thought those failed because they sucked.

>>116126367
This generation is following the 'sex sells' rule including music industry.

It'll take years for this trend to end since lust is the hardest thing to overcome and so easy to give into.

This lolicon,hentai bullshit for losers will continue since apparently they are making money out of that.

>>116126675

Isn't that part of it? Just wanting mainstream appeal doesn't mean your show miraculously becomes good or finds an audience.

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>>116126675
Shhh don't tell him

>>116126623

Thank you, kind sir.

>>116126508
>Anno apologist

Yeah no, I don't like it when Anno tells everyone that the industry is shit and stagnant while he himself continues to milk his 20 year old franchise instead of creating something new (until now with the animatorexpo), unlike for example Miyazaki who didn't get stuck milking Totoro and Nausciaa for the rest of his life, but that doesn't change the fact that what Anno says is true.

>>116126608
Risks need to be taken in order to break the otaku stigma that anime has.

>>116123827
>>116123605
>For anime to not become either cute girls doing fanservice
You say it like it's a bad thing.

>>116124802
No, but that's probably the mindset of most people going into creative industries. I think you're being overly cynical if you think that there isn't people that are into art just for the sake of art. It's just that you can't fund a project easily, so it's understandable to make compromises.

>>116126791

>Risks need to be taken in order to break the otaku stigma that anime has.

That's implying that risks are never taken. Space Dandy was a big expensive risk, was it not?

You guys need to remember that "original" and "creative" does not equal success

>>116126703
>Liking what I don't like makes you a loser aaaaaaarrgggghhh

It's becoming quickly apparent that the anime industry's future will involve catering to the western market if the people working it in it want to expand or survive.

The problem is shitty dubbing companies and western viewers pirating everything.

>>116126068
No, he means a dead end for auteurs, like him, who are finding it increasingly difficult to find talented people to work with on artistic projects. Animation studios anymore are links in a giant commercial chain that connects artists, publishers, toy manufacturers, retail outlets, and advertisers. There's very little artistic individuality in anime these days because it's produced as part of a giant corporate marketing plan. And this model is quickly becoming the only model for animation to survive in Japan.

The studios themselves still employ artists and auteurs, original anime still get made, but to survive the studios have to endless LN and manga adaptations, or anime based off video games or card games, or whatever the fuck.

So basically he feels like the animation industry in Japan is being shackled by this adaptation business model, because animators have become too dependent on being a link in the chain they don't have the freedom to take risks and do artsy projects.

It's essentially a problem for artists in the industry, not consumers. Consumers by all accounts are happy with how the industry is, since it's still going strong despite economic recession.

>>116126845
I wouldn't call space dandy a risk. Appealing to wider audiences doesn't necessarily mean reaching out to the west. The biggest problem anime has is the pandering. Space Dandy was good, but it still had its fair share of otaku pandering.

>>116126960
>All those buttmad otaku tears when they lose the only thing that keeps them alive.
Shit that would be pretty funny.

>>116126960
>catering to the western market
And nothing of value would remain.

>>116127026
>Implying it had any real value in the first place

>>116126791
Why do you care so much about the otaku stigma? Why do you feel the need for your hobby to be validated by others? It's not like there's a lack of fans really, anime expo is held in my state along with famine and the majority of people I see and engage with there aren't fat mouthbreathers

>>116126999

Wider audiences don't bite in Japan. Let's assume they make an anime for Drops of God, it'll still fucking bomb in disc sales because CASUALS DO NOT BUY ANIME, despite that manga being super fucking popular to the point of influencing Japanese wine purchasing.

>>116126960
>catering to the western market
>expand or survive.
Anime is making more money than ever before.
Only artistic faggots think the industry is "dying"

>>116127017
Nah, the industry should still cater to otaku on occasion since they're such a big money maker, they just need to cool down the neet pandering by 50-60% or so.

>>116126960
The western market will only ever be a secondary market for Japan. The primary target of anime is still Japanese audiences, because they see the most returns from domestic consumers.

>>116124535
>>116124734
>>116124840
>>116125492
>>116126115
>>116125159
i sincerely doubt any of you have the slightest idea of what your talking about.
my own experience of visiting Japan i was very open about being a westerner big on otaku culture and im just gona lay it out straight nobody gives half a shit. in fact people were interested in what kinds of shows i watched and if i was keeping up with hunterXhunter. we are talking about a female 50 year old hotel manager. she was so exited when i showed her the jojo figure id just bought.
more than that if you board any train in tokyo/osaka/kyoto or any big city with a large rail network you'll see dozens of people reading manga casually because believe it or not most of the shit is actually good and western translators only cover shitty shonen or moe shit.
the same applies here in the west everyone on /a/ seems to have this idea that people care what you do and if you like anime you must hide your power level. nobody cares.
if the Japanese look down on otaku in anyway its usually ugly fat sweaty nerds and skinny spotty virgins who nobody likes anyway even if they aren't otaku because nobody likes ugly people

>>116127089
Yes, but only to a very niche market and that kind of shit leads to what we call an industry bubble.

>>116127120
A 50% drop in pandering to NEETS could mean a potential loss of profits in a sink or swim industry. I doubt they could take such a risk easily with the way anons in this thread are going on about it.

IT'S THE SAME FUCKING THREAD THST IS POSTED EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND GUESS WHAT, IT'S SOME SHITTY OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE ABOUT A DIRECTOR THAT NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ANYMORE.

GREAT JOB OP, IM SURE YOU'LL GET SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS OUT OF THIS

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>>116126367
I thought cute girls and good looking guys were always profitable.

>>116127169
>i've been to japan, and did you know people their read manga? japanese love otaku

>>116127169
>my experience is what every person in Japan thinks

>>116127165
>because they see the most returns from domestic consumers.
Because they've gotten used to paying outrageous prices for discs.

It's never gonna happen. Anime is fundamentally a pleb medium. It, along with Otaku culture, is japan's national shame.

>>116127066
Because otaku pandering often results in unsatisfactory shows.

To be able to talk with a random person about anime is not what I want. I want an industry that has the potential to constantly produce interesting stories that take an advantage of the medium. There are maybe one or two shows like that per year.

>>116126856
>You guys need to remember that "original" and "creative" does not equal success

No, but it's a fuckton more interesting than "boobs and ass: the show"

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>>116127218
You seem frustrated Anon-kun. Would you like to sit down and have a little chat about it?

>all these people trying to measure the success of the anime industry in terms of the quantity of anime produced, rather than the overall quality of anime produced

Get a load of these fucking plebeians

>>116123991
Bullshit, he poureed his heart and soul on NGE, and everythings there, you just need to look for it.

Annos finished with his work, and is riding on its well deserved sucess for now, whilist helping a ton of other studios and projects, hes trying to milk his own work so that he can help others. He should be commended, but you faggots have to prove his point by misinterpretating everything this man stands for.

>>116127078
>CASUALS DO NOT BUY ANIME
but they watch anime as long as it's something they can get into, and ratings matter a lot.

>>116127302

Sure it can be, but no studio can subsist on "Gee, that was a good show, too bad no one purchased the discs. Hope my positive thinking buys your dinner."

>>116127294
>There are maybe one or two shows like that per year.
Which is the same as it has ever been.

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>>116127302
Get a load of this faggot.

>>116127302
That depends on how well animated the boobs and asses are.

>>116127169
Whats your nationality? This is very important.

>>116127302
>implying boobs and ass: the show isn't the most interesting thing in the world

>>116123605

People have said this years ago and the industry hasn't wised up to it yet.

>>116127350

Ratings matter if it's on during primetime hours or a Sunday. Otherwise your latenight ratings don't account for anything, production committees actually have to buy the timeslot to promote the anime.

>>116127391
english

>>116127248
Oh boy, this retarded argument again. Disc prices are what they are because the price doesn't really affect sales. Otaku will buy them regardless of price, normalfags won't buy them no matter what.

If they cut BD prices in half, they'd have to sell double. But they won't. Because normalfags don't buy BDs very often. So they'll just end up losing money.

It's a fact that the industry is making more money now than it ever was before, and it's producing more anime than ever before. They have no reason to change this model when it's proven to be so successful.

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I wonder if Anno feels any shame or guild for pioneering the moe-harem craze and having to milk Eva again just to fund his new studio.

Basically stuck up directors want anime to be more like artistic cinema and literature, and get pissy when they can only make things for anime nerds

I bet that all you guys still watching adaptations, what a bunch of plebs.

>>116124118

It only really started being this overwhelmingly with the switch to the late night premium BD production committee funded style model that started really taking off in the mid 2000's.

>>116127416
and is the thought of a primetime anime show impossible to you? The fact that anime is only aired on latenight slots is part of the problem as well.

>>116127399
There's nothing for them to wise up to. They all know what's happening to them.
It's like knowing you're going to exterminate blue fin tuna. You know you're going to do it, it's going to fuck your anus raw when you do it, but you want to pay your bills so you go out every year and catch more blue fin tuna, because that's all you know how to do.

>>116127453
Well no wonder your experience was better then most. Japs tend to have a love/hate relations with merricans. Englsih, French and Australians tend to have it better over there.

>>116127458
>>116127458


>They have no reason to change this model when it's proven to be so successful.

Which is why all this bitching from old guys who no longer work in the TV industry and MuhCowboyBebopians is asinine. "B-but, 20 years from now Japan will have a serious birth decline." We can worry about that 20 years from now, this is entertainment not the fucking nation's GDP.

>>116126539
Who the fuck are these two slant eyes? And why should I care what they think?

>>116127458
I never said they should change, but it is a barrier for attempts to pander to a western audience.

Anime maker argues for anime subsidy. What a surprise.

Just cut costs, widen audience, find new income streams or business model. Whatever. Maybe Japan doesn't have to make 20 shit shows a season.

I don't think anime is in the best place right now, hasn't been for a while, but whining about it does nothing. Particularly hard to stomach from one of the most commercially successful anime producers.

>>116123925
not just

shit like product placement (if any), OPs and EDs are basically adverts for the latest artists and groups most of the time too now, just because they need every penny they can get.

>>116127519

Because to air on primetime usually means sanitation and being family-friendly, or it means being something adapted from old-as-fuck and nationally treasured manga, like Golgo 13.

It also means running long and looking cheap, like Golgo 13.

what a prick.

>>116127196
There's this little thing called inflexible demand.
They tried lowering the price of BDs; but no one bought them. They tried making normalfag-oriented programming; but no one watched it.

The industry has made very real attempts to branch out through ventures like noitaminA but people are simply not interested.
Otaku actually buy Blu-Rays so the market will always favour the obsessive fan demographic.

>>116127519
Primetime slots are expensive as fuck
We already have saturday morning anime and I doubt most people on /a/ even watch them

>>116126367
>how to make a profit forever
>attractive people doing things you could never do as attractively

>>116127616
>Just cut costs
I don't think there's much left to cut. They already pay animators peanuts and the animation quality isn't exactly stellar for most TV anime.

>>116127613

Why should they need to pander to western audiences? Didn't we come to love anime when it was still aimed at Japanese only? Maybe the creators had some western influence but I doubt their creative thought processes included "those gaijin are sure to love this."

>>116127349
I have respect for Anno in that he's willing to put up his own money to see others succeed. The tokusatsu exhibit also earns him a lot of point in my book. I only wish I could have visited it.

>>116123978
So basically, wasting money.

Like, LITERALLY wasting money.

gj Anno

>>116127519
Code Geass and FMA were primetime anime

>>116127169
>Says anime is ok to watch in Japan
>Only mentions a 50yr old hotel manager

Ever talk to any breeding-age girls about it, son? I lived there, and speak the nihongo jyouzu. I went to clubs on the weekend and hung out in restaurants with my girlfriend and group of friends. None of them watched or read anime. My gf literally made fun of otaku she saw on the train for watching naruto.

People read manga, yes. Just like people read garfield comics here. They don't watch fucking cartoons, though.

Unless they're 50-year old fucking hotel managers (wtf point were you trying to prove with that shit, seriously?)

>>116127560
But Japan is experiencing a serious birth decline RIGHT NOW.

>>116126539
>"Ay mag den I was like fuck her rite in da pussy!! ahahah lmao"
>"Nah you fukin talkin bulshit cunt, you all fukin shit m8 ahaha"
>"Ere lik you would fukin know cunt, ay you stil goin to Bazzas for a piss up this arvo?"
>"Yea course m8 wouldn miss it for the world"

>>116127543
you have a point concerning my reception but my statement still stands. walk down main street akihabara and its not full of sweaty nerds but legitimately normal people the a good majority women and attractive ones too.
on the other hand the hentai dōjinshi floor in maderakes is a different matter entirely but its not rare to see women in there but they are usually upstairs browsing yaoi

>>116127218
>A DIRECTOR THAT NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ANYMORE
>Made the highest grossing anime movie of 2012

Yeah, OK. No one gives a shit about fucking Anno!

>>116127658

That was demonstrated well with Chihayafuru S2. Packaged in box sets, lowered price per set, still only sold about 2,000 something units.

>>116123605
We would be truly lost if not for the Master's sacred words guiding us

>>116127762
Like he gives a fuck.

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>>116127835
And the women browsing for Yaoi they would look similar to pic relate?
>I would bang that crazy eyes down bottom right with the force of an angry god.

>>116127886
I bet it wasn't advertised at all.

>>116127729
Because successful western animation sells in the millions rather than thousands.

>>116127729
It's a mixed bag for me. Most of my favorite works are Kon's, Dai Soto's, or things like Princess Tutu and Serial Experiments Lain. Some of those, like Ergo Proxy, were expressly attempting to pander to Westerners. Others, not so much.

>>116128029
'dai sato
always read what you write or forever retard

>>116127955

Advertising costs more money, but the overall point is that normals don't buy discs so production committees aren't going to produce expensive normalfag anime when it's just going to end up as a loss. Chihayafuru S1 did make manga sales quadruple but that's rare.

>>116127948

You just know one of those is the 50-year old hotel manager he brought up to prove that all normal nips just fucking LOVE anime.

>>116127948
Man, that top right. She gives zero fucks about what people think.

>>116127787
>I was a friends with a bunch of normals and none of them had any interest in you're stupid girl cartoons so your wrong fukken nerd shitter
What a wonderful point you're making

>>116127948
>bottom right

Yandere isn't so fun in real life

>>116127999

You mean like Frozen? Also helps that it's widely distributed and the companies producing it has an endless bucket to advertising funds. Outside of movies, western animation is kind of dead.

>>116128120
>What a wonderful point you're making

My point was that normal people don't like anime, which some retard actually had the nerve to try and disprove. I think I did pretty well.

>>116127642
You are talking in terms of "this is how it has always been, this is how it will always be".

It is change that we are talking here. What would be for the best for the industry?

>remove otaku
>consistently create good anime that doesn't pander to the otaku audience
>bigger audience
>more money
>better productions
>better anime
everyone wins

but the industry is too dependent on the otaku audience to go for such a large scale change, so this will never happen, therefore the industry has hit a dead end.

>>116127787
Sounds like you just hang out with awful people, anon.

>>116128187

>consistently create good anime that doesn't pander to the otaku audience

That variable is unlikely.

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>>116127948
>Dat bottom right
Its just like my chinese cartoons.

Seems like it'll be all good for at least another 5 years so that's good enough. Anime has always been like this no?
It feels like every other industry has a hit a wall but it will all keep trucking.

>>116126115
Thanks for reminding me I still need to watch angel cop.

What if Obama nuked Tokyo?
Do you think that would help the industry?

>>116128187
>remove otaku

yeah, that'll happen. No matter what they do there will be people who obsessively fund them through BD and merch sales

>>116128187
>remove otaku
>consistently create good anime that doesn't pander to the otaku audience
There are very few studios that could even hope to get enough money overcome that barrier ONCE, even then their chance of success is fucking nothing

>>116127787
mate want me to list every single person i spoke to in japan? im giving a brief example of the reception i received by an age group not usually targeted by otaku culture.
i did have a fantastic experience with these 3 dudes in a hot spring (yaoi pun intended) who were into mech anime they seemed perfectly normal. and my travel friend had her manga stuff out in a caffee and some "breeding age girls" came up and seemed interested in what she was drawing we don't speak alot of jap but they said it looked good by what i can tell
its usually just stuck up upper class fags and old preachy directors who are up there own arse who condemn normal anime same with people who takr the piss out of star treck and super heros and shit in the west (like anyone even dose that any more)

>>116128188
>Sounds like you just hang out with awful people, anon.

Awful is just another word for attractive and normal.

>>116127948
Goddamn, 3D gooks are ugly.

>>116128120

The salient point has already been made.
The manga industry has nothing to do with the perception of the anime industry in glorious Nippon.
You don't cite the popularity of manga to suggest that telling normals that you like watching Precure will result in social inclusion. Everyone was eager to see my loli rape pillow!

>>116128298
that's the problem. The industry as a whole is too dependent on them to abandon them.

>>116128281

I'm not entirely sure that nuking them isn't what turned such a significant part of them into social degenerates in the first place.

>>116128371

Then why did Redline fail? I can't see that as otaku-pandering.

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>>116126165
>This trend will continue until studios can find a consistent alternate sources of funding,
While most can't afford to fund their own projects, a few studios have gone the path of finding work outside of the collective box.

Madhouse is a shining example of this. Over the past few years, they've been slowly building up their portfolio with work that goes beyond the typical. They've done plenty of work for Disney and Marvel, The Supernatural Animation, western and eastern videogames, and short animations for big picture films and small music videos.
Madhouse also has a habit of straying from "pandering" series. Any show that they've done that does include pandering is done so very restrictively.

Studios should learn to outsource more. Break away from the norm.

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>>116128341
>bottom right
>ugly

>>116127781
Only R1 was prime-time I do believe.

Anno is a faggot and he is wrong too. News at 11.

>>116128429
because it wasn't a very good story?
Not everyone can watch animation for the sake of animation.

>>116127948
man id bang the shit out of middle right
>>116128100
to be fair she did look like bottom left but not quite as sweaty or fat

>>116128371
>The industry as a whole is too dependent on them to abandon them.
No shit
Even if they managed to succeed a new type of otaku would emerge

>>116128322
Nah. They do sound terrible.

It's gotta suck to hang out with people that would hate you if they ever found out your secret.

>>116128448

No, she's hideous.

You probably just have a severe case of what people call "yellow fever"

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>>116128289
>>116128298
>>116128187

>>116128550
>It's gotta suck to hang out with people that would hate you if they ever found out your secret.

Being balls deep in my gfs pussy makes up for that.

>>116128565
I dunno she looks perrtty to me yellow fever or not.

>>116128448
You only think she looks good because the others are literal wildebeests

She's the least offensive looking among a grouping of unattractive freaks

Someone tell Paharell or whatever the fuck his name is to drop a few millions by Japland.

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>>116128608
Does your father also work for Nintendo?

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>>116128642
He already has anon, He even has his own harem and waifu.
>Also Book-chan a shit

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>>116128608
mate pics and timestamps or no gf. your trying too hard and your gay until you can prove otherwise

>>116128734

No. Is this some meme or something?

I just masquerade as a normal to get pussy. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first.

In fact, judging from the popularity of Marvel movies, I'm pretty sure I'm not even the 1000th person to do this.

>>116128608
Yeah brah I know what you mean being balls deep only to finesh it off with her sucking you off at the end. Shits so fucking cash amirite? Ayy lmao gonna hit it up at the party tonight and score myself some mean bitches as well, have a little extra on the side.

>>116128608
If that makes you happy, I guess. Sex isn't really as important to me as being truthful to myself and others.

>>116123810
He's only giving work to his friends because no one else hires them.

>>116128754
>closing in on seven billion humans
>surely no one has sex, right?

>>116128975
>barging about getting balls deep on 4chan

>>116123605
He is rich, he can afford to say callous shit like that. Rebuild is pandering shit as well so he's just being a hypocrite.

>>116128819
>faking normalcy to get pussy

Someone's whipped.

>>116128183
>Outside of movies, western animation is kind of dead.
Even the adult swim type shows put up better numbers than most late night anime. This is the audience they could go after.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force vol. 5 (2008) - 61,155
Archer Season 4 (2014) - 56,182
The Venture Bros. 5th Season (2014) - 29,510
source: http://www.the-numbers.com/

>>116129050
He'd only be a hypocrite if he weren't offering money to newcomers to make shit.

>>116128907
>Sex isn't really as important to me as being truthful to myself and others.

Spoken like someone who has never had sex.

>>116128907
Fucking virgin.

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>>116129047
>barging

>>116129161
said the person who has never had sex

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>>116128907

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While we're on the topic, how was it that anime got stuck being aired at like 1 AM in the morning when normal people are asleep, besides the stuff they produce for kids? I can't imagine that's much good for advertising money.

I guess you might have to neuter the content a bit if you want to air it a little earlier, but honestly, making anime a little more tasteful and restrained wouldn't hurt and being so dependent on pandering to otaku is what got them into this rut in the first place.

>>116126539
>DIGESTION
>TRANQUILITY
>EMOTIONALLY ACCOMPLISHED
what

>>116127328
You can keep spouting the same uneducated opinions about this subject ad nauseam for all i care, you little shits

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>>116129367
Geeze anon does it take you that long to come up with a witty response?

>>116128907
*tips fedora*

>>116129161
>>116129218
No, I've had it before. But I admit to bad shit happening early on in my life that has kind of skewed my perspective on sex.

>>116128486
>Only R1 was prime-time I do believe.
Other way around. S1 was after midnight, R2 was prime time

>>116129309
As it was said earlier, the production committee has to buy the time slot, and late night is the cheapest. They don't draw a big audience and make hardly anything on advertising. A lot of people record the shows on their DVR and watch them later.

>>116129510
Yeah, i was obviously thinking about it all this time.

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>>116129510
>K-ON

>>116129528
>No, I've had it before. But I admit to bad shit happening early on in my life that has kind of skewed my perspective on sex.

Way to make me feel like an asshole.

After what happened to /v/ there are still people saying that otaku are killing anime?
Heck. chances are, most people complaining about anime here are from /v/;.

Otaku are what is saving anime. See what happened to games when they became more popular and mainstream.

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>>116129618
>Le trash man may may

>>116129510
Also you can stop the avatar fagging now, it will save you having to browse through your anime reaction face folder the embarrassment of being a total faggot stays not matter what you do, unfortunately.

>>116129726

Who will be the Anita Sarkessian of anime?

>>116129768
Anita Sarkessian.

>>116129726
Watch out, you don't wanna go against the experts on the anime industry that seem to abound on /a/.

>>116129309
>Got stuck airing in late night timeslots
It has always preferred airing in those slots because it's cheaper, even decades ago. Sure, they might have moved to even cheaper timeslots recently, but even something like Rose of Versailles aired at 7 PM on a Wednesday back from 1979 to 1980, on the Nippon TV channel, which even used to air Ghibli movies.

>>116130063
7 PM isn't late night, though. That's primetime. Second you go past 10 or 11 is when you hit the late night.

Now, admittedly, the Japanese workday is a bit different from the west so the primetime sentiment may be lost.

>>116129565
>>116130063

So, basically, it's something so ingrained that only the gradual phasing out of television could help it now.

>>116127948
Is this the cast of the Kuragehime live action drama?

>>116130216
Yeah, 7 PM is not bad by Western standards. I'm not sure how accurate the accounts I've heard of some Japanese staying in the workplace until like 8~9 PM are, so for the moment I'll accept that 7 PM is a good time.

Besides late night though, there were some shows that aired in that awkward time right before work ends, like Patlabor on Wednesday at like 5-5:30 PM. That time isn't really good for kids either, judging from what I know of the Japanese schoolday.

I haven't really found a good database for the airing times of older shows, so I've really just been using Google. There's a partial list of airing times for some late 80's shows here, if you want to look into it.

http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2140894437589253201#

But yes, the 1 AM timeslot seems to be a more recent development.

>>116131014
If everybody is working all day then no time is good for a television series.

>>116129768
>>116129815

The general problem with trying to attack anime or manga is that there are tens of thousands of counterexamples that would just make her look like an idiot lashing out at a few titles she doesn't like.

>>116123605
>without commercial considerations
So Sunrise Gunpla is completely SHIT?
No wonder why Tomino is fucking completely SHIT.

>>116123605
>EVA got a retarded marchandise in everything such as Alcohol, rice, paperweight and etc.
>it will be tough to escape unless we can make animation without commercial considerations
Why this guy is always completely Bullshit?

>>116133271
She already does that with video games and live action television. So there's no reason for her not to go after anime.

Although I really hope she doesn't.

>>116134224

But she is going after vidya because it's an easy target full of guys. Anime is far more gender-balanced.

>>116127458
>ANIME DOESN'T FOLLOW THE SAME LAWS OF ECONOMICS OF EVERYTHING ELSE
love this meme

>>116136197

It might not adhere because you're dealing with a business where the difference of a few thousand purchases means failure or success.

its simple.

we kill the moefags

>>116134641
She does it without commending good games with female protagonists or mentioning series that are actually more popular with women such as Animal Crossing.

She could very well do the same with anime and manga and the idiots that support her would go with it.

>>116136843

Yeah. Distinction with anime is that there's basically just one website that anyone bothers to look at for news, and no one gives a fuck about anime journalism or critic scores.

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>>116123605
>say this
>make Rebuilds

Wow, anyone take this fag seriously?

And anime was never doing better. Sales are insanely good and there are more shows than ever.

Fuck pandering to normalfags.

>>116137765

Yeah, I don't think SHAFT or ufotable are in any position to bitch right now.

>>116137868

Or Sunrise. Or Bandai. Or anyone that matters. Retards screaming about the dying industry are just that, retards.