Why is Shinobu always considered to the the best girl of the series?
I don't know how you've lived your life up to now, but best girl is obviously not Shinobu.
I'll make a short list:
-Gap moe as she flips between acting as a cute little girl, and an ancient, powerful vampire.
-Good at steering Araragi in the right direction when he needs it without being condescending or a bitch.
-Top-notch banter that never gets out of hand.
-Her character arc is basically Araragi putting her in a situation where she isn't miserable 24/7 and then she deals with all her issues on her own.
They're the same character for all purposes other than masturbation.
Go to bed, Araragi. You can't justify this decision after talking about Supacars.
That car suits Araragi perfectly. He was always a good for nothing dweeb, but people get upset when their self-insert isn't suave and cool like them.
The real question is how did he sneak out of the house dressed like that? Though maybe Hitagi actually finds it funny her boyfriend dresses like a JRPG protagonist.
He walked down the stairs and opened the door. He then took his keys and started the car and went for a drive.
Araragi don't take no shit from Senjougahara
Unless she's aroundand don't let anyone tell you otherwise
I wish Kaiki would kill Ararararagi, and steal his harem.
>Shinobu is love
>Shinobu is light
>Shinobu is life
Reminder that though you can argue that it isn't romantic, Araragi and Shinobu are in love and have the healthiest, most stable relationship in the series.
That and how Araragi met Hanekawa and stopped being an edgelord faggot.
I'm kind of annoyed that Shaft has taken so long to finish the movie because if it releases after Owari then the most important part of Owari will be flaccid without the necessary context.
Reminder Final Season is literally starting before we can watch Kizu
The climax is everyone dealing with all of their shit, fixing the city's spiritual issues, and moving on with their lives.
Shinobu being offered everything she thought she ever wanted on a silver platter and refusing it in order to stay with Araragi.
Kizumonogatari, the story of how they met, is rife with romantic undertones from start to finish. Not to mention, she spends annihilates the entire world in an alternate timeline because of his death.
Her status as best girl is an extension of the fact that Araragi is the best companion for her, and vice versa.
Then there's the fact that she's cheeky, reaches dangerous levels of smug, and has several different body types she can switch from.
She's the most interesting female character in the series; conversely, Senjougahara is the least interesting. And yet the Crab wins.
>she spends annihilates
Go home, I'm drunk. The "spends" shouldn't be there.
But he isn't a moralfag. He just goes around doing shit he has unilaterally decided to be correct and Kaiki's comments to him at the end of Koi is just the first dose of reality he's going to get before the series is over.
Ok then why would Hitagi and Araragi break up?
He flat out rejected Cat even when it's been stated several times she gives him diamond boners, because he is loyal to his waifu Hitagi
Because they have a weak relationship with massive communication issues which is mostly guided by what they think a relationship should be rather than what they need out of a relationship.
Alternate reality Sodachi.
>Because they have a weak relationship with massive communication issues which is mostly guided by what they think a relationship should be rather than what they need out of a relationship.
What about their new year where the parents meet, or the Valentine day, or they going to collage together.
I know that Nisio didn't really show their relationship, but during the series I didn't see any sign of weak relationship with communication, if anything the only thing KoyoKoyo hide from her was what happen in Kizu
-Senjougahara hiding that she couldn't see Mayoi.
-Araragi hiding Kanbaru's attacks.
-Senjougahara hiding her concerns over Kaiki.
-Araragi going around kissing other women.
-Senjougahara hiding/lying about her history with Kaiki, to the point where Araragi doesn't believe anything she has to say about it any more.
-Senjougahara contacting Kaiki behind Araragi's back because she can't trust him to not freak out about it.
Meeting the parents, spending valentines together, etcetera only shows how far a relationship has progressed, not how stable it is. If they get out of the blind love phase, look at their relationship, and don't have someone they can take on life with then everything is going to fall apart.
>Koyomi and Hitagi break up for some reason
>Koyomi comes back home for a break from college
>Sisters come into his room to try and get him back on his feet
>"Nii-chan, we're sorry about what happened with your girlfriend. . . maybe we could replace her?
And the author instantly turns the Monogatari series into the best love story ever told
I honestly don't see Hitagi being so nice about breaking up.
I'd see her dating Kanbaru just to remove Araragi's perviest friend. Though I might just have poor opinion of Senjougahara's character and her percieved spitefullness is all just me
While I agree that Shinobu is more interesting than the other girls, Crab is not the least interesting. She and Monkey are probably tied for second given they have the most (and best) development after Bat.
Truly least interesting girl is Bee, who is just 'Araragi but with boobs'
No thanks. Here's all the loli he needs. Maybe Yotsugi will qualify after Tsukimonogatari.
since you seem to have forgotten
>applying real life experience to my wonderful mongolian moving pictures
it doesn't work that way
Araragi drags Hachikuji out of hell and gives her Gaen's talisman so she can become the land god and fix all the local spiritual issues.
Real life experience does apply to Nisio works, which is one of the reasons they're so popular.
>Every form of hers is perfection/sex
>Has the best personality and interactions with Arararagi
>Is the closest to Arararagi
>Total badass and hax powers
>Master and servant relationship that teases to be so much more
>Fated true end
I would say least interesting is bird but bee is not far behind.
Seems like you don't know what happens in the novels
my god that pic
fire sisters do things to my dick
I was going to be mad at you for not posting the full size version but it took me more than a minute to find.
Araragi and Crab are both fucked in the head, their relationship is flawed as hell and they're both probably better off breaking up.
But that will never happen because Crab has dependency issues so she'll never dump him, and Araragi always takes responsibility/helps people out, so he'd never dumb his emotionally dependent girlfriend.
Besides they still love each other, or at least think they do so there's really no reason for them to break up.
Their relationship isn't unstable, though. They're both nuts, but as long as Shinobu is living in his shadow no one is going to have a normal relationship with Araragi.
I'm sorry you're waifu lost the Araragi-bowl, but they lost like half a decade ago in nearly the first episode of the series, it's time to move on.
Bland loli vampire is the king of waifu archetypes, and Shinobu is among the best.
She's also the most important character in the series barring Araragi. It's really a crime that she hasn't won.
Well shit if her voice actress says so, it must be a fact.
>They're both nuts
Yes, that's why Gahara and Araragi both are fucking compatible. Only they can understand each other without going mad.
Also, they had sex. What kind of sexual deviants do you think they have?
Who said that? Arararagi and Hitagi obviously won't break up. They already are in a perfect relationship for one another. But, in the end, after Hitagi is dead, Shinobu will be the one who remains by Arararagi's side. After outliving everyone, it'll just be Arararagi and Shinobu.
>Not having Shinobu and Hitagi in the top 2 anyways cause they're the top best
Only plebs don't do this.
Did you pass middle-school English? The point was not that it's necessarily true, but that it's a perfectly reasonable prediction to make even for someone who isn't an angry waifufag.
>bland loli vampire
Not anon you're arguing with but here's my two cents
>They're both nuts, they must be together forever
Not the more likely answer of:
>They're both nuts, they're going to tear each-other apart with their neurosis and inability to reconcile their shit together because they're both uniquely fucked in the head
The chances of them having a compatible kind of nuts which would allow them to have a long functioning relationship is pretty slim
However I believe it's possible. She's a cunt, he's a maso but when the shit is down Senjou knows to move bitch get out the way
Why do people keep trying to say crab and Araragi will be together forever. It's perfectly fine and health for a high school relationship to not last very long. Why are people so dead set on them being together forever and ever?
Just enjoy the damn story and don't worry about the future beyond that.
>What kind of sexual deviants do you think they have?
Araragi is a wild pervert and he's also a pretty big M.
Senjougahara comes off as a pretty sadistic, teasing girl and she has a secret lewd as fuck side.
I imagine they have a pretty good sex life.
It is physiologically impossible for Hitagi to understand Araragi better than Shinobu already does.
The fact that Crab hasn't broken up with Araragi on principle is something that shows her character is unresolved. Her emotional dependence on him is outweighing her desire for an intimate, monogamous relationship where she is prioritized above any other.
>It is physiologically impossible for Hitagi to understand Araragi better than Shinobu already does.
being with someone that knows everything about you is boring and tiresome as hell.
Calm down friend, it's just a discussion.
The series is over and there's no conclusive proof wither way, they could break up a month after Hana or stay together for a long fucking time living happily, who knows.
Personally I think Crab should dump his ass and start her own harem with Monkey, Cat and Kaiki.
>implying you could pay enough money to get Kaiki into your harem
>implying the only way to get Kaiki into a harem is to make Kanbaru a complete copy of Tooe and convince him Kanbaru trying to be Tooe makes her realer than the real thing
Kaiki would never be part of a harem.
She needs to go back to Monkey. Why the hell would you choose Arararararagi over monkey anyways?
If monkey was guy I'd be gay for him.
Hana is the furthest book chronologically in the series, but we still have a number of books before that to be animated. The "last" book of the series came out like a month ago, but Nisio hinted at some kind of continuation and alternate universes.
Love for monkey should transcend gender anon.
This isn't right.
He says "he can play with them as long as he doesn't get serious".
He's obviously not just playing with Shinobu and his relationship with her is obviously quite serious.
Your opinion on an interesting relationship has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion, faggot. Take it to /r9k/.
It's required viewing. You actually learn a lot of background information from them.
Like how Senjougahara taught Kanbaru how to be lewd as fuck back in middle school. Or how Hanekawa purposefully doesn't reprimand Araragi because she knows he's a masochist and would love it.
Are there other versions that exists?
Yes, yes they do. It's absolutely great.
'Aye, 'aye. I'm on the last 3 episodes I believe. I'm really enjoying it.
My favorite so far has been Oshino paired with Nadeko.
My least favorite commentary bit was Crab+Monkey
>There will never,ever be a Shinobu/Kissshot OP
This is basically undebatable.
They have the most interesting and playful characters while not being downright abrasive.
Alright, where do you want to fight? Can we make sure its somewhere off the ground?
I know there's commentary for Nise 1 and 2, but is that it?
Bake + 2 from Nise?
See, I had that, but my coalgirls videos would cut the OPs and EDs, and the commentary that went with it.
It was just a mess.
That, and it didn't have commentary subs.
Other commentaries? As in - you haven't finished Bake?
That's strange. Did you try updating MPC?
Renai Circulation is really good though. The song itself is just heavy, considering the character involved.
Platinum Disco is arguably best OP though.
I'm absolutely positive it's not an MPC thing. The files themselves are missing the commentary sub track and the OP/EDs.
So the first two episodes? Mayoi and Hanekawa take episode 3.
I don't know how you can say that when platinum us actually more popular.
Platinum, renai and Kaerimichi are probably the top 3.
Marshmallow Justice has the best name though, no contest.
The only other thing I can think of is that you got a bum release.
It's probably not that. She is know for refusing to sing character songs because she thinks it devalues her/the songs.
They show up on episode 12 again.
Maybe I had just gotten it before their latest reupload. I don't know. I've already got mine set (minus the double subs) so I'm in no need to go and get it again.
It's funny, the two worst girls get their hair cut and look even worse, while the best girl starts growing it out and looks even better.
Is this series trying to tell me that short hair is shit?
What was Nadeko's second op called?
That one, too, was pretty heavy, but also quite good.
You kids delve into the OST? I absolutely love the piano tracks covering the OPs
Nobody can tell who you're talking about. 3 of them have cut their hair.
And if you're saying best girl is monkey then you're wrong
Her hair hierarchy is
Shoulder length = Ponytail > Short = Long > Twintails
She is best though, you'd be right there.
Tell me about it
They're both really good, and do well to adjust to her character change. I'd argue her OPs were really the only ones that dealt with character change.
Is she the only one who gets two?
I'm just a normal anon, yeah.
Kaiki is too pure to be in a harem.
I want to know what his college girlfriend looked like.
...shit. I can't match that. I immediately forfeit, let me just change into something more fitting for my defeat.
Love my Aloha shirt. Oh wait, what's this? Suddenly I can kick Touma's ass?
That totally doesn't count. That's not a Nisio-Character Development haircut.
Why do I feel like Mayoi's second OP is completely ignored?
I don't know. I'd still argue that Snake's OPs do the best at conveying the way her character developed.
Hitagi, Hachikuji and Kanbaru got 2.
Hitagi's and Hachikuji's were very similar. Kanbaru's OPs both do a good job of being more melancholy which reflect her character better than her outside cheerful appearance but I would say they don't change much either.
Do fujos even like that? I've only seen Oshino/Kaiki and Oshino/Araragi.
Snails first is better, but that one is still fucking good. Actually I can't think of a single Monogatari OP that I dislike.
Most ignored would be Crabs second. I can't even remember what its name is.
Sono Koe wo Oboeteru > Ai wo Utae > Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari > 花痕 -shirushi- > Platinum Disco > Kaerimichi > Mousou Express > Kieru Daydream > happy bite > Futakotome > Renai Circulation > snowdrop > marshmallow justice > chocolate insomnia > Kogarashi Sentiment > fast love > ambivalent world > sugar sweet nightmare > Naisho no Hanashi > staple stable > the last day of my adolescence > perfect slumbers
by the way how would you read 花痕?
DAT'S THE WRONG CHARACTER
Remember when Kizu was supposed to be released 2 years ago?
I don't care my reference is out of date. Guys in Aloha Shirts in anime are automatic badasses
All the money they got from the monogatari and madoka have formed a financial singularity that has sucked in madoka S2 and kizu while nisekoi and various other monogatari books are shot off in the astrophysical jet.
We have to wait for kizu to be emitted through hawking radiation which, considering the size of the black hole, may or may not be before he heat death of the universe.
I meant Touma, Tsuchimikabro's definitely great. I was actually Guts all along.
We should probably quit while we're ahead, here.
I don't care about shipping, I just wish we could have seen them interact on screen at least once.
2's confirm 2015
Have faith brothers
Bake - Nise - Neko
>couldn't find good video
Right then, we'll agree to disagree, or something.
Wait, did you ever actually have a stance one way or another?
Might as well steer this back on topic by getting your take on it.
I fucking know right? Just seeing the Occult Club members during their school years through to all the way after Hanamonogatari would be amazing. They are the best thing about Monogatari
My stance was actually pretty similar to yours. You just wanted to fight over your choices and I decided I wanted to fight.
You really shouldn't have brought the fight though. It's alright thought, we all make mistakes
Second Season - Hana
Going in, I didn't expect much in terms of story or character development from them. So, judging from a strictly fan-service point of view, they're pretty great, and their OPs are as well.
I don't hate them, I just think they're not very good characters, at least compared to the rest of the cast. They have way less screen time and development than the other girls and their arcs were barely about them.
Damn, that analogy works way too well.