The most useless character in the last anime you watched can

Inuyasha
Shippo-kaioken still useless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwXSxH5YcVM

KAAAAAMEEEEHAAAMEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA

Cecily Campbell
She's still a stupid useless whore.

>>115735187
damn I thought i was the only one who read inuyasha this late

>the most useless character gets the most unutilized power-up in DBZ
I'm pretty sure that would change absolutely nothing in any other battle series

lim as x goes to 0 of 20*x=0. Kaioken does nothing.

>>115735609
First time rewatching it since like 2006, shits still decent

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>>115735062
Berserk

He'd be much more useful with the power up, I suppose. He's still a shit character though.

Tae Gardener. She can now kick the ass of everyone that beats her in a childs card game.

>>115735062
>Shinjeki no Behamut

>The knight with the Kaioken.

Poor Knight.

>>115735792
Ishido is okay, he's just comedy relief until he becomes important.

Yamcha
he'll end up blowing himself up

>>115735832
Kid will kill himself because his body can't handle the stress of it.

>>115735208
I'm still mad Dragon Ball doesn't have a decent anime

>>115735208
I like how Goku doesn't do the usual "Ka-me-ha-me-ha".
He just keeps punching you in the face and be like "KA-ME-HAAAA-MEEEEEE". Kaioken is so badass.

>>115735975

Why didn't Yamcha, Tenshinhan, or even Piccolo learn how to use Kaioken? Piccolo with Kaioken would have managed to hang with Freeza's second transformation at least.

>Brook gets to use Kaioken

He's probably still fucking useless, but at least he's going to look fabulous when he sings.

At least Film Z was the last anime related thing I watched, if we're going strictly non movies then it's that retarded nigger in G-Reco and she's still a retarded nigger.

>>115738151
he technique, however, has its substantial flaws. If the user multiplies their base ki too much, the uprise of ki could easily obliterate them, or severely damage their body, as it did Goku's. After using the Kaio-ken x4 to overpower Vegeta's Galick Gun, Goku's entire body was thrashed, and he could barely move without hurting himself. Even one friendly slap on the back from a gracious Yajirobe caused Goku to scream out in agony. King Kai tried to master this technique himself but failed and taught Goku instead.

>>115738151
its like you faggots dont even dragonball

kaioken and the spirit bomb were 2 techniques that king kai hisself never mastered

so theres no way thos scrubs couldve learnt it

>>115738205
Goku was able to do the X2 Kaioken and against Freeza the X10, without being harmed in any way.
I think the reason people didn't learn it later on was that the Kaioken isn't a power multiplier but a boost. Otherwise, Piccolo would've been able to wreck Perfect Cell with a little Kaioken x10-20.

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>>115738167
>brook most useless strawhat
>not sanji

>>115738261
OP said character, not pile of shit.

>>115738250
Cell was also capable of doing Kaioken, hell he goes SSJ as well, that's what Super Perfect Cell is.

Remember, he has the DNA of pretty much everybody.

>>115738233

Don't know about Yamcha but Tien and Piccolo were even more obsessed about training than Goku. If anything, they would have added their own unique spin to the Kaioken technique.

>>115738409
or blow themselves up because theyre not goku

did you miss the part where the god of the god of eather couldnt master the technique?

>>115738482

>fat long lived lazy scrub couldn't master his own techniques
>overtaken in power levels by a bunch of fight happy meatheads

King Kai isn't really the best example on who can master such techniques.

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>goku only used super Kaio-ken once

I guess it's just a shitty buff

>>115738622
The Kais were the ones that originally fought Buu.

>>115738622
....?

how retarded are you to actually think anyone besides goku was stronger than king kai?

>>115735792
>most useless
>not Casca

>>115738637
,,,,

jesus fucking christ learn your fucking dragonball

goku was ALWAYS using kaioken

>>115738723
>doesnt know what super kaioken is
>Goku is never seen using this technique again after he used it on Pikkon.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Kaio-ken

how about you read the sentence next time.

>>115738787
what part of ALWAYS is hard to understand? its never seen again because it becomes part of his normal power, its literally always on

GTFO with your shitty dub wiki you fucking scrub

>>115738151
there's a very good reason, and that reason is king kai didn't have the time to teach them it

>>115738895
Not that guy, but it is never always on. Super Saiyan is just better than Kaioken, super or not. It's why he doesn't use it when he actually has to beat some shit instead of a little sparring match with Pikkon.

>>115738895
> its literally always on

holy SHIT you're fucking stupid. If kaio-ken was turned on 24/7, Goku would be fucking dead a long time ago. It's a very powerful short burst of energy that completely drains his energy, which is why it only lasts like 10 seconds.(and why it's shitty compared to his super forms)

It also has a red aura when used. It doesn't just fucking disappear because 'its always on'.

He doesn't use kaioken anymore because powering up to super saiyan is much, much more efficient and stable. That's the entire point of the form. It's all about the balance

Fucking dumbass.

>>115738991
I think he's refering to the fact Goku is using the Kaioken during his whole fight against Freeza and we don't see the red aura.
Anyway, DB doesn't make sense if the Kaioken is a multiplier. It'd mean Goku is shit without it, and Vegeta SSJ should be a lot stronger than him. I think Kaioken is a boost and gets useless after Freeza.

>>115738904

He had more than enough time to train Tien who was revived last and stayed with King Kai even longer than Goku.

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>>115739112
> Goku is using the Kaioken during his whole fight against Freeza and we don't see the red aura

aura was definitely there. he just only used it at specific intervals

>>115738895
If it was always on Goku's body would have been destroyed by the energy a long time ago.

>>115739190
Only in the x20 Kaioken scene. You don't see anything the rest of the time in the manga.

>>115738637
The energy overload would have been too much for him were he still alive.

>Kaioken Kuwabara

Fucking based, he'd push it past the limit his body could sustain and still keep going just because he's a MAN.

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Well, rest in fucking peace Arzenal. Those bitches crossed Ange.

>>115735062
Leorio
Super fast, super strong doctor.

>>115738637
>>115738787
pikkon fight was filler. super kaio-ken is not canon. Goku is always using kaio-ken. It's one of the reasons he's superior to Vegeta. The other ones being the sacred water buff and his martial arts training.

Goku is always using kaioken. He pretty much integrated it into his ki control. Note that it was stated he was using it the entire freiza fight, even though we didn't see the red aura until he went x20. This means that he can comfortably use kaioken with no visible red aura at levels belows x20. Now ask yourself, if he uses it without people knowing he's using it, he can use it without any downsides, and it gives him ANY powerlevel boost, why wouldn't he just use it all the time as a staple way to manipulate his ki? The answer is that he fucking does always use it and you don't know shit about dragonball. Also, note the red aura during the powerup against cell. btfo.

>>115739222
>implying goku couldn't use 10x kaioken even while sleeping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuViG2-w_To

I fucking love Kaioken.

>Killua gets Kaioken

well, who cares

>>115735062
Sora no Method.

I guess the twin sister will be able to yell louder about her saucer and be even more annoying than usual.

Then she'd faint.

>>115739249
Toriyama forgot it

>>115740597
lol that fat guy is retarded. he could have just stopped resisting and prevented Goku from blowing a hole through him.

Goku pretty much stopped using the Kaioken when he started becoming super saiyan.

Just saiyan.

>>115740687
Yellow aura > Red aura anyway

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>>115740482

>>115740780
1. He was using it against Freiza without any changes in his aura. He also doesn't have to say "kaioken times w/e" when using kaioken, so we should just assume he's using it because it's at his disposal, and there is no reason to think he's not using it.

2. He can use at least x20 kaioken(during the Namek arc, he's much stronger now), meaning levels at x4 or even x10 shouldn't be too stressful.

3. Not using kaioken when you can use it with no downsides would be retarded.

4. We've seen Goku with a red aura during later arcs while powering up.

>>115740722
Where is your proof for this? It's been stating that even if you don't see the red aura, and he's not calling out the attack, he still uses kaioken, so what would lead you to think he's not using it as much as possible? It's like having a technique that makes you 10 IQ points smarter with no visible effects and no stress that you can't handle 24/7, and then people assuming you're not using that technique all the time. Why the fuck would you think that?

>>115741039

No, where's your proof that he kept using it post-SSJ power up? Even without the red aura and verbal cues, the technique was too energy inefficient that a user would be exhausted in a drawn out battle compared to powering up the SSJ forms. Kaioken was a shitty doping technique that had to be abandoned in favor of transformations.

>>115741765
>shitty doping technique
Not against Freeza. Goku used x10 the whole time without getting tired.

>>115741765
It wasn't energy inefficient, it was hard on the body. It's been shown that Goku could use the technique to a greater extent with less and less relative stress to his body. It's not a shitty technique if you've mastered it and do not suffer the downsides, which Goku HAS. You must be joking if you think Goku can't handle something like kaioken x4 or even x10 on a 24/7 basis.

>>115740386
>the sacred water buff
Then why didn't Vageta just drink the water?
>but it could kill him
So what, just spend 20 collecting the dragon balls to bring him back. If it doesn't kill him; free buff.
>Goku is always using kaio-ken
Source?

>>115740231
>Kaioken
>In HxH

Sounds like a shitty version of enhancer.

>>115741039
Isn't SSJ more powerful anyway? He doesn't need the Kaioken anymore once he's transformed

>>115742002
Vegeta didn't know about the sacred water.

Goku always using kaioken is just common sense.

Goku has overcome the amount of stress that kaioken introduces to the body. This is exemplified by his use of it during the ginyu arc and the freiza arc. He was using x10 without any noticeable exhaustion, and he wasn't even revealing the red aura. It would make NO SENSE for him to stop using a technique which makes him stronger for free. Given that the aura is not visible until he pushes the ability toward his limitations, he doesn't have to give a verbal cue, and we've seen him with a red aura when powering up to maximum vs Cell, it's common sense to assume that he's been casually using the technique the entire time. I mean, he can do it for free. Why wouldn't you use it, and why would you assume he isn't using it if there is literally zero indication that he stopped using it?

>>115738250
of course, it became irrelevant when SSJs were introduced till when Goku finally pulls off a kill for his spirit bomb.

>>115742122
Pretty sure he's saying to use both Kaioken and SSJ.

>>115742122
Yeah, it's more powerful, but they're different techniques which rely on different mechanisms. Why wouldn't you use both? The answer is that he's using both. It's nonsensical to think he wouldn't be using both.

>>115742166
>Yo, Vegeta, homeboy, the universe is about to be blown up by an evil monster. Do you want to get free powers ups in literally five minutes by fly to some tower?
>Sure.
>Okay, let's go.
That was tough. The same could said for literally every other character who didn't drink it.

And I asked for a source. As in a page where it's stated he's using both. Not your rationalization of the subject. Because that's clearly not sound based on your Vageta example.

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>>115740964
>1. He was using it against Freiza without any changes in his aura. He also doesn't have to say "kaioken times w/e" when using kaioken, so we should just assume he's using it because it's at his disposal, and there is no reason to think he's not using it.

See >>115739190

>2. He can use at least x20 kaioken(during the Namek arc, he's much stronger now), meaning levels at x4 or even x10 shouldn't be too stressful.

It would still have a negative effect on his body over long periods of time.

>3. Not using kaioken when you can use it with no downsides would be retarded.

Except it does have downsides.

>4. We've seen Goku with a red aura during later arcs while powering up.

Red auras aren't exclusive to kaioken.

Toriyama displaced Kaioken for SSJ. SSJ was cooler, that's all.

Any speculation over if he keeps using it secretly or not is irrelevant. If it became part of his normal power, then it's just his normal power.

>>115742304
How should I know why he didn't suggest anyone else drink it? Who cares? The facts are that he drank it and it made him stronger.

There is no source, because you don't state things which are implicit explicitly.

>literally have an invisible technique which makes you better for free
>shown being really good at stuff
>people assume the invisible technique which makes you better for free is NOT being used all the time
This line of thinking just doesn't make sense.

>>115742334
That was with x20. King Kai said he was using it the entire time, and yet we saw no red aura until he used x20. Otherwise, why did anyone suggest that he should use it if the aura indicated he was already using it?

The stress on his body should be near non-existent. He used kaioken as his main power-up during the ginyu fight, as well as during the freiza fight. It should be assumed that kaioken does not stress his body until he pushes the technique to the limits off what his body can handle, which is a lot more than when he fought at Earth. Like, the dude can use x20 on Namek, when x2 was the suggested maximum on Earth. WHY do you think that kaioken is expensive to use at all, if weak-ass Namek Goku can use the shit at x20 and still fight afterward ?

Goku can use SSJ 24/7 and all that took was a year of practice. Like, c'mon dude. Kaioken does not stress Goku's body any longer. You're fucking with me.

>filler gag aura used as a point
Right.

Admit it makes no sense that Goku wouldn't use Kaioken all the time, and the only reason to think he isn't is because the fact that he uses it without anyone explicitly knowing was only mentioned in canon one time, and not every time.

>>115742304
>>115742166
Are you guys talkin about Karin's sacred water?

It was just normal water, they powered up by trying to grab it from him.

It wouldn't work on vegeta, or anyone past the saiyan saga anyway.

>>115742679
So he tells Vageta about the Time Chamber but not the water because [reasons]. Got it.

Why is this the only implicit buff? None of the other ones are.

>>115742679
Did you watch the american dub by chance?

>>115742830
No, it's not normal water. Watch/read the series again.

>>115742879
It is normal water, Goku went up the tower and tried to take it from Karin for 3 days back in DB (not Z). Watch the whole series.

>>115742940
Please stop being retarded.

>>115743012
Please don't take dubs as canon.

>>115742448
If it's a component of his ki control, but considered so normal at this point that it's not worth mentioning, then the speculation of whether that is or isn't the case is still valid, especially considering that people think he stopped using the technique entirely.

The facts are:

1. Goku can use certain levels of Kaioken without experiencing exhaustion.

2. Goku will use Kaioken without anyone explicitly noticing the technique.

From this, we can safely assume that Goku uses the technique even if it's not explicitly cued that he's doing so, because at this point his use of it is implied. To suggest otherwise is to propose that there are actual reasons or indications for him to not using Kaioken, which there are none. Or, at least, the ones that have been mentioned are invalid.

>No red aura.
The aura is not visible unless certain conditions are met, given that Goku used the technique without an aura against Freiza, and it wasn't until he approached his current limit of the technique that it appeared.

>Kaioken is too expensive to use.
Given that Goku can adjust to higher levels of the technique, it should be believed that lower levels of the technique become -less of a stress on Goku's body-. The levels of Kaioken to which Goku has adjusted are -very high-. His beginning maximum after learning the technique was x2. On Namek, just a year or so later, it was x20. Who knows how far he can push the technique and remain comfortable, but it's safe to assume that he can use -some level of the technique- without experiencing expensive amounts of stress.

Unless there are any other indications that Goku stopped using the technique, it's remains implicit that he uses the technique. Argument over.

>>115743052
It being a dub or not wouldn't change anything about this subject.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra_Divine_Water

>>115743098
This guy is right, it was just normal water.

>>115743241
Just going to ignore the source then? Okay.

>>115738671
>Piccolo after absorbing Nail
>not stronger than Goku from Saiyan saga

>>115743098
I guess that exists. You were talking about this one though
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Sacred_Water

>>115743633
I know you're retarded, you don't need to explain it to me.

>>115743098
>>115743241

>lol Goku, sacred water didn't exist bro its training
>Later arc
>lel, it did exist, have some now, it'll help you beat Demon king Piccolo
Hopefully that clears up the confusion, but all that shit can be explained away quite easily, since it unlocks potential energy, and any level of energy it could unlock was already far surpassed by the Z fighters by the time Vegeta joined.

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she still can't dance

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>>115735062
goku didn't run out of electrolytes, he got roach raped

>>115744091

The water was poisonous and Goku surviving it meant he powered up from zenkai.

>>115744091
>since it unlocks potential energy
No where does it say this.

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>>115744325

Now I know where they based the terra formars from

Lain can now Kaioken