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Villains with admirable motives
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Not at the beginning but after he meets Komugi
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Croutons was kinda dumb but Saaz had better motive than anyone else in the show.
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S3 never
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>>115632019
All he wanted was everything
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>>115632391
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/thread
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>>115632675
his motive was corralling the "worthy" humans into colonies while eating everyone else
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>>115632719
"You fight with the resolve to lose? I do not understand. You fight for the human race? If so, know that my actions are in fact for their benefit. For example, in human society, lands are divided by national borders, much like territorial marking. On the right side of the border, children may starve to death. While on the left, scum who do nothing have everything they need. Absolute madness. I shall destroy all of that, and create a world so fair the very concept of inequality will be forgotten."
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>>115632309
"muh wife" is not a good reason for genocide.
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>>115632862

"muh wife" was only the reason why he wanted to kill the princess.

"muh people needs resources" is why he invaded earth.
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>>115632636
"Good, good, the prison rape went just as planned"
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>>115632447
Can you really blame him?
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>>115633435
Best loser heroes aren't villains.
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He just wanted to give give humanity supreme happiness.
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>>115633435
This, even as a villain his motivations are damn amazing.
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>>115632179
To be fair, you'd root for any of the villains of that show due to the heroes being shit.
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>>115632675
I fucking love Meruem, he was such a good villain
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>>115634290
>looks like a villain and all brands of eil crap in the original series
>is completely and utterly justified because lolAO.
This.
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>>115632179
can u blame him? who doesnt want a piece of asuna?
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Lio did nothing a normal human being wouldn't have done if it wasn't for the laws.
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How was he a "villain" again?
Shiki are scum.
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He just wanted his people to live happy in his country
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>>115635794
As a Shiki identified transundead I'm glad this man was killed. Shiki are honorable warriors in the fight against the homo sapiarchy.
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>>115633068
No, that was the reason for invading earth in the first place. And it happened on order of the emperor. His reason was "my wife died in a war we started so I got butt-hurt" and nothing more.
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>>115636328
Hundreds of millions died just because he loves the feeling of Trunicht's dick up his ass so damn much.
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The east is burning red
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>>115634358
His plan still would've wiped out most of the human race so it's not exactly "admirable."
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>>115632852
He would have made both sides starve, equality.
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wylad
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>>115635640
Johan was a faggot and Tenma was a dick for not killing that asshole after he tried to get everyone killed via burning to death.
His motive is literally he wants to watch the world burn so there is nobody left and his bullshit about "true freedom with a world without names" is completely asinine bullshit.
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>>115634357
He is a good character but not a good villain.
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>>115634290
>He could have saved us from the horror of Ao if we had just let him. Instead we let some punk hippies kill him because muh feels
Oh Dewey, if only we knew then what we know now
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>>115636912
>Villain.

In any case, he was still great.
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>>115636748
>believes in Democracy
>watches democracy burn itself to the ground in the wake of the Imperial Galactic Empire
>still believes in democracy
He wasn't a villain, but his inaction and moral rigidity killed more humans than ever in the history of the world.

Though if they gave him a single cruiser and infinite time he'd probably be able to overthrow the Kaiser
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Does Accelerator count?
He was pretty admirable when he was a villain.
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>>115637285
He wasn't even really a villain. Really, Meruem was more of a protagonist during that arc.
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>>115643122
I don't see how killing himself in the past being an admirable motive.
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>>115632003
No, his motivations weren't admirable until he lost any desire beyond being with Komugi, and that doesn't count as villainous motivation.
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>>115632852
So basically communism, which is in fact absolute shit.
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Griffith
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>>115643673
Maybe initially, what he did wasn't admirable though.
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>>115631835
I just notice this but isn't the symbol on his left shoulder the same as the Tails'?
Fucking Twirl confirmed for keikaku doori mastermind.
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>>115645217
This thread is not for heroes, anon.
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>>115645217
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>>115636912
>>115637839

It was a dream almost captured.
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>>115631835
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>>115631917
If she was just cockblocking the siblings because incest is shit I'd agree but she's just cockblocking them so she can have sibling A for herself.
Therefore she does not have admirable motives.
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>>115631835
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>>115646722
I found it a bit hard to belief that no one went with the "eternal Eden" route.
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Started as a vilain
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>>115635624
my nigger
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>>115648542
>aprons
Nah, fuck that faggot.
Aprons are ugly pieces of shit.
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>>115648605
What the fuck did you just say you spineless cock sucking maggot?

>Protect your clothes from staining
>Save you from burns and hot oil
>Look fly as FUCK

And most importantly they make my dick hard
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>>115632675
This is why I hate HxHfags
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Well /a/ I'm trying to write good villains, what do you think makes a good villain?
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>>115648981
Not being a faggot, like you

depends on the plot
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>>115648981
Justice Revenge a sad backstory and his bitch getting ggangraped by his own gang
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>>115649054
Well I'm starting off small so lets try generic high fantasy setting with heros trying to stop the ancient evil and so and so
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>>115648981
Become a demon king and try to make the hero yours.
Or just keep on taking it easy with the Ultim/a/guil.
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>>115649236
>Ultim/a/guil
The what now
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>>115649144
Not much you can do, really

High fantasy pretty much means 1-dimensonal villain.

If you want someone to not lose interest, then the villain has to have at least one not-evil aspect, one redeeming quality

This is more of a personal idea i have, but there are hundreds of stories were the good guy is pretty bad, but since he is the protag of his story, we like him and his actions

I've always wanted a story were you see from the villains POV in the start. The villain is on what he thinks is the path of justice, while the real protagonist acts as the antagonist who wants to stop his goal at all costs.

Then at some point, let the POV switch, and let the reader decide which one is truly righteous

You shouldn't really ask this in /a/ by the way.
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>>115649591
Thanks for the tips dude
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>>115643489
>truetears
Says a pleb who has, and will forever be provided with, everything he needs to survive in this world because he was born into one of those land denominations ol'Commieum described. This is while public water supplies are bought and the public dies for lack of water.

Yeap, the third world gives a fuck what you have to say.
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>>115649846
Yes, please force a system that involves culling the majority of the human population onto the entire world for the people in poor countries.
Even ignoring whether communism was a good idea or not, what Meruem wanted still involved mass murder/genocide.
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>>115649144
Make a story in which the high fantasy villain never existed, but was a mythos.

Insert your regular shounen pro tag except add a bit more moral-relativism to his ideology so that he justifies some of his actions against the idol of the imaginary villain. Give him just enough information throughout the series to account for a pseudo-logical justification for the sacrifices/evil-choices he makes along the way. Then have him discover that there was no great boogeyman, and that the life he carved out for himself was decided by him alone.
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>>115648981
Have the same motivations as the hero but a different means of accomplishing it.
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>>115649950
I never gave credence to Mereum, I attacked your statement which only attacked the word 'communism'.
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>>115650052
I was comparing Meruem's plans to communism in my post.
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>>115635624
Euphoric teen spotted.
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>>115650024
>>115649990
Writing these down
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How can you hate him?
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>>115635640
What? No. He just tried to live.
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>>115649720
You're welcome

Now go off to /lit/ or some forum for aspiring writers.
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>>115649144
"Generic high fantasy" is pretty broad.

Do you mean you want to write a simple short story? Or do you want to write a full book? Or a series? Is it directed at children or adults? Men or women? Or is it meant to have broad appeal? Do you want to go full generic or do you want to shake things up? What do you want the main character to be? How about romance, do you want to include romance? There are tons of other shit to ask about too.

You might think writing is easy but even writing something like a short story is difficult and time consuming.
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He just wanted something interesting to happen.
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>>115650530
I haven't done any writing outside of some writing prompts they make you do in high school years back, so I wanna start small with a short story. I haven't put much thought into the audience or romance. But I do know that I want it to be fun to read and hopefully non-generic as possible. I'm playing around with the idea of a hero with a non-conventional weapon like string manipulation (think Walter from Hellsing) or a summoner which is rare in the story's universe since most summoners are looked down on for being weak fagets who need to summon others to do shit for them. Again, mostly just ideas I've been throwing around, and it took me 2 days to write a simple short story back in high school so I can see how much harder it would be to write a full scale series, or even just one book
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>>115633748
I still cry everytime
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>>115631835
Aizen did nothing wrong.
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>>115650727
You're biting off more than you can chew.

The thing with short stories is that you're EXTREMELY limited in what you can actually do, which is why good short stories focus on one thing, usually some kind of humor or moral lesson. You're also going to be limited in your characterization, as a you still need to do exposition, describe settings, and develop plot. That is going to really limit the amount of space to make a non-generic protagonist, particularly for high fantasy.

I'd recommend looking around online for guides on writing, and reading some short stories yourself to get an idea of the kinds of things you'll have to learn about.

Of course, if you aren't trying to be an actual writer and just want to write for yourself, you can write whatever you want. You just probably won't make it professionally unless you happen to be a genius writer.
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This guy hands down win this thread.

Mods can close this now.
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>>115650980
Hope you get cancer
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>>115650980
>uzumaki shisui

Nice ruse
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>>115650980
>usumaki_shisui.jpg
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>>115651024
Prove me wrong then, faggot
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>>115650968
I didn't think of how short stories would be that limiting, but I'll keep reading and practicing
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>>115644192
Yeah, he even gains twintails for his powerup.
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>>115651203
I'm more of a film guy, but short stories are basically like short movies, EVERYTHING unnecesary is cut out.

That's why the guy is right, you're trying way too many different things while being inexperienced.

Try learning more about writing first, take it slow and learn before creating your magnum opus
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>doesn't give a fuck about the universe
>just wants to live life the way he likes
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>>115651366
but Shimoon was the good guy
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>>115650980
What about Nagato?, he was a bro too.
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>>115648981
Villain is as good as the story lets him be
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>>115643412
Uniting the world was a good motivation
Rewatch his talks with Netero
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>>115650086
Which is stupid. Shut up.
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>>115631835
Villains with admirable motives are just antagonists
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>>115651943
and you are called a faggot
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>>115651900
What anon quoted only described destroying the existing social concepts and creating a world where the concept of inequality has been forgotten.
That is perfectly applicable to communism, you fucking faggot.
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>>115637060
>"true freedom with a world without names" is completely asinine bullshit
He says on an anonymous image board
Nice going retard
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>>115643312
He was stopping himdelf from becoming an edgy faggot.

He's the hero to us all.
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>>115646250
>Force instrumentality on the souls of all humans
>To be with his wife
>His wife used freewill to move her soul
People that don't see the irony and think he's admirable are stupid
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>>115632675
>>115650980
Seriously kill yourselfs.

>>115634357
He was a terrible villain.
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>>115649990
We religion now
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Shougo just wanted everyone to be free as in freedom
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>>115650668
More like chaotic neutral.

This dude just had a bad temper.
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>>115632675
Meruem's motive was terrible. That's why he gave up on it in the end.
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>>115652027
No, communism has nothing to do with equality
Google this shit you brain dead moron
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>wanted to make the colonies independent without resorting to war or the facism every other spacenoid faction
>if he had succesful there would be no crossbone vanguard or Zanscare Empire
Full Frontal did nothing wrong
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>>115652413
No motive is terrible, that doesn't even make sense
"I do this because bacon" is perfectly fine
Just because your morality system doesn't match his doesn't mean you're right and he's wrong.
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>>115652413
He only wanted to create Lebensraum for his species and free the world from the inferior species. Meruem did nothing wrong.
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>>115652027
>Communism
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>>115636268
It only shows how bad it is when that's the smartest most reasonable character in the show.
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>>115652413
>it's bad because the ants eat humans
Then humans are bad because they eat everything, poison the land with radiation and chemicals, cause hundreds of thousands of species to go extinct, and destroy entire ecosystems

Funny how your morality bullshit breaks down the moment you reach humans
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>>115652580
>implying this would happen with Meruem leading the Ants
Rewatch the show faglord
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>>115637940
>infinite time
More like infinite blood.
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>>115652443
Yes, please do tell me how the initial idea of communism and the way it's been advertised wasn't based around equality through the abolishing of private property. I really am fucking interested in your take on it.
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>>115636268
No, retard. He just wants Earth resources.

The wife shit is just his grudge against the royal family, not Earth.
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He just wanted to see again his loved one
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>>115652701
I'm not the guy you replied to.
>Funny how your morality bullshit breaks down the moment you reach humans
That's why Meruem is such a great character. Just like humans, he mostly cares about his species. All he wants to do is create the perfect world for ants, and there's nothing wrong with it at all. He's only a villain because we see him from the human perspective. He's doing the same thing humans do, but he's doing it to humans.
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>>115652503
Please. He would have just brought about the horrors of G-Reco even faster.
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>>115652748
Meruem would put humanity on prison camps to be fed as cattle to the ants.
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>>115652814
I'm not even a commie but is that still what Amurrican education teaches kids these days?
The basic idea of communism is making the means of production into public domain. Which is completely different from "abolishing private property". Which is still impossible so far, and that's also why none of the countries you Murricans usually refer to as communism were actually communism. They were in fact socialism.
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>>115648981
Someone who wants to change the world for the better, and fully knows that he must do despicable and questionable deeds in order to achieve it.
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>>115653232
Like Hitler?
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I agreed with his reasoning 100%. Why Akane worked so hard to keep up the status quo I will never understand.

Sheeple. All of them.
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>>115653284
if it makes you sleep at night
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>>115652609
I don't think the motive of being sadistic is admirable.

But I still want to sleep to the sound of him watching me while eating mapo tofu.
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>>115652898
Such a manipulative cunt he is, but I would still be able to forgive him if not for the way he treated Glenn. For fuck's sake that was your only and best bro for life.
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>>115653081
I'm from Eastern Europe you faggot.
Nem mintha számítana bármi amit mondok, ti szarládák úgysem fogadjátok el a valós érveket ha valamit egyszer a fejetekbe vesztek.
>The Manifesto explains that the reason the bourgeois exist and exploit the proletariat with low wages is private property
Regardless of the specifics, communism aimed to get rid of the gap between the "haves" and "have-nots" (can't believe this is what they're called in English) would be to make them equal in a sense, through making the means of production and other necessary items shared, thus not being privately owned.
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>>115651366

Did you even watch the show?
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>>115653424
No.
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>>115653354
correct me if im wrong but does enjoying emoitonal and mental suffering count as sadism?
always assumed it was only physical suffering
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>>115633958
Someone still remember Escaflowne?
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>>115636748
Glad I wasn't the only one pissed about that
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>>115653473
I still have wetdreams from all them Escaflownoses.
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>>115637940
You really can't point to any of Yang's actions as decisively wrong. If he had overthrown Truniht or defied his orders and killed Reinhard, it probably would have led to a better outcome for the FPA in the short run, but in the long run?
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>>115653622
Long live the Wenli dynasty
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>>115653467
I'm fairly sure it counts
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>>115637834
>we let some punk hippies kill him.
But he killed himself.
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>>115652898
I want him to have a happy ending.

Not his fault he was apparently born a psychopath.
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>>115654143
It's all his fault for being born a shit he is.
Then he forced his shit on everyone. For 100 years. Holy shit what a gigantic insane faggot.
I hope he is blown into oblivion and never be able to meet his waifu again.
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>>115650831
What the fuck was his goal anyway?
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>>115652580
Fun Fact: EVERY MARXIST IDEOLOGIST TOLD LENIN SOVIET RUSSIA WAS A BAD IDEA.

Because:
no industrialisation=no unified proletariat=everything goes to hell

I'm not even a communist.
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>>115631859
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>>115636061
He does not look like a hero.
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>>115655723
*villain
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