Why didn't Gilgamesh use Enuma Elish against Unlimited Blades

>>115598006
It's a japanese VN, you can't expect quality and coherent writing.

Because it's beneath him to use his favorite sword against a lowly fake.

>>115598006
Shirou is faster in Unlimited Blade Works

>>115598006
Because he's too fucking arogant.

>>115598006
Because Unlimited Blade Works is not written by Urobuchi

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>>115598006
>Using Ea against a fake

If countering Shirou's weapons each take one AP, drawing something else takes two AP and gives Shirou a free action. He has no time, shown as Shirou chops off his hand. When Shirou mentions Gil regaining his senses and beating him, it probably means turtling behind some shields and then using Ea.

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>>115598456
Urobuchi really should write about the future Shirou's suffering.

>>115598006
Because he's a fuckhead who underestimates his opponents because his overblown ego blinds him to the fact that they might actually be able to harm him. This goes double when it's a human teenager rather than a Servant.

By the time the fact that he needed it penetrated his thick skull it was already too late.

>>115598546
>Urobuchi really should write
No

>>115598546
It wasn't that bad until he got enlisted as Counter Guardian

>>115598006
>I am to dumb to understand character motivation

>>115598006
Shirou has plot armor of a main character.

>>115598683
>Naruto-tier plot armor for Shirou is now "character motivation"
Why are TMfags still allowed to show their faces here

>>115598729
Until he regrets everything from his stupid ideals in the end.

>>115598746
Please name one character more arrogant than gil

>>115598746
He literally says it's not worth wasting Ea on a weakling like Shirou. Gil is that arrogant.

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>>115598776
>I have absolutely no reading comprehension

>>115598787
Shinji ?

>>115598821
Only because it's a convenient way to have an "invincible" enemy the MC can still beat. It belongs in WSJ

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>>115598776
>Face of regret

>>115598886
All of the characterization of GIl in FSN and Zero shows him to be this arrogant. He is basically a god, so why should he bother using his precious Ea on what he views as a fly on the wall.

>>115598886
He uses Ea on Shirou twice.

>>115598746
Kaleidoscope.
Of an infinite number of worlds, we get to see 30 or so outcomes of Shirou's 5th Heaven's Feel.

>>115599048
He also gets defeated by his own ego in every route.

>>115599146
He he straight up loses against Saber. Avalon is a hard counter against Ea that wasn't much he could do.

>>115598886
Narratively Gil loses the fight in UBW, because the entire route is building up to showing off Unlimited Blade Works.
Similarly, Illya doesn't die till the very end of Heaven's Feel, because the Third is what we've all been waiting for.

>>115599146
It's almost like he's a consistent character, and the fact that his head is so far up his toned ass is the point.

>>115599146
Yes, that's kind of the point.

>>115599239
He still loses because of his ego there.

>>115599336
Nah Ea is still activating after Avalon is used which is why he couldn't counter attack. There really wasn't much he could do.

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>>115599239
Just because he wastes hours toying with her and doesn't get serious until the very end.
He even held her upside-down during the final fight.

Why didn't he just win this war in 24 hours?

>>115599438
Again Avalon is a hard counter, toying or not he would have lost. In fact the only chance he had was not taking the fight seriously at all.

>>115599462
He didn't want to, he isn't interested in the Grail.

>>115599411
He could have killed her without recourse any time before than. Avalon is a very specific counter needed at exactly the right moment, so there'd be nothing she could do.

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How many times a month we discuss the same exact topic?

Ha, Gil would got rekt by Madara anyway.

Narutofag :1
TMfag :0

>>115599596
>month

try week

>>115599462
Jesus Christ, have you read or seen anything Fate-related?

>>115599600
Are you talking about Edo Tensei Madara?

>>115599048
Yeah, all of it. He has no other traits. He just exists to be strong and to get beaten by the MC

>>115599596
As many times as there are secondaries. We need some sort of counter force to protect us from these secondaries.

>>115599596
Not enough.

>>115598006
Plot reasons.
When the good guys are supposed to win, you know it's not real

>>115599462
If he wanted to win there would be no way for the MC to win, so he doesn't want to win

>>115599727
We need an Emiya mod.

>>115599716
As a device in UBW? Yes. However his reaction to UBW's activation is within the bounds of his established character.

>>115599600
>>115599715
Nah, he's talking about the character from Mōryō Senki MADARA 2, son of Emperor Miroku.

That was a good game, it was kinda like Persona

>>115599793
Unlimited Mod Works.

>>115599438
Why would he do this to his waifu?

Because we cant have mc losing the final fight can we?

Even with UBW there is no way that Shirou can beat Gil or any servant. The point of that fight is that Gil was mad, went retarded and that was his downfall.

Stupid? Maybe but I dont see other way for Shirou to beat him.

>>115599571
She could have activated Avalon at any of those times, it also provides passive regeneration.

>>115600056
Gil was also actually killed by Archer, who also shielded Shirou, in UBW.

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>>115598071
>>115598456
>>115598746
>>115599600

>>115600027
Women and children need to be beaten to show some respect.

>>115600085
But it wouldn't have helped with a decisive blow. EE doen't inherently leave Gil defenseless, but only when he goes to the max right when Avalon blocks it. She needed him to get serious before it was viable, else she could have killed him ten minutes into the fight with the first one.

>>115600240
Using Avalon before then would have forced Gil to be serious, because of the fact Gil can't hurt her.

Gil had a very low chance of winning that fight any way you spin.

>>115598456
>Because Unlimited Blade Works is not written by Urobuchi
Thank God.

>>115600338
Go away Jack don't you have to argue whether Saber knows how to please a man?

>>115600338
Saber uses Avalon to block a low level EE. Gil gets the gist of it. He skewers her with swords. As far as we've seen, it lasts a brief instant and nothing more.

>>115598006
Because NASU IS A HACK!

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>>115599600
Even Naruto can beat Gil

>>115598006
>Going all out against some random nigga
Are you a scrub?

>>115600695
I honestly can't say if the people that draw those are better or worse than the freaks obsessed with drawing things like inflation, vore, and diaper fetishes.

>>115600505
Skewers what Gil has no counters for Avalon, and it has no stated duration, and there's nothing stopping Saber from activating it again.

This is ignoring that Gil's ego wouldn't even conceive there being a NP stronger than Ea.

>>115598006
>using one of the most powerful weapons known to man to kill one of the least talented magi

>>115599490
How about the two times he hit her with low-power Ea BEFORE she got Avalon back

>>115600842
Go back to beast's lair jack.
Avalon was useful in the fight against Gil because she used it as a trumpcard that suprised Gil.

>>115600969
That's because she decided not to use it then, and countered with Excalibur. The ball was always In her court.

>>115601046
I'm not Jack and you stated no way for Gil to counter Avalon. Which is because he has none. The only possible argument is that Avalon only has a single usage which is a pretty large jump in logic.

>>115601146
As much as Gil fans hate to admit it he really isn't winning that match up.

>>115601146
Avalon is maybe the ultimate defense but it doesn't help her going for the killing move if the enemy expects it.

Are people ever going to understand that Gil will lose way more often than he has any right to because he has an F rank personality? I mean, they couldn't beat you over the head with it any harder than they do, and people still don't get it.

>>115601280
Yeah in itself it won't help her beat it but with Gil uses Ea and everything about his character implies he would serious or not then he'd lose.

He has a chance if he never uses Ea but that's a low priority victory condition in most encounters he would lose.

>>115601146
Except for how Gil knocked Saber out even with Avalon. He could have killed her right there, but he was still intent on "marrying" her.

>>115601455
It's way more than that. She has to get into position, bait him into leaving himself open, keep Avalon absolutely hidden until the last moment, and then hope for the best. It's a big shot in the dark that only works under the condition that he doesn't kill her any of the tens of times he could snuff her out.

>>115601455
You do realize Gilgamesh used Ea on Saber during their final confrontation and pushed her shit in, right? She only got the opening she sought the second time.

>>115601985
That's because she used Excalibur he would lost right there if she had used Avalon.

>>115598006
Why didn't Gilgamesh go serious and win the entire Fourth Heaven's Feel on the very first day like Urobuchi said he could?

>>115602063
Without Excalibur he wouldn't have used Ea. Saber fought as best she could and still got knocked unconscious.

>>115602146
Why would he?
That would be boring, no?

>>115601828
You haven't explained remotely why. All Saber needs is for Gil to use Ea. Gil spams that shit in their fight to assert dominance. There was no trap or bait, the fight just went on longer for dramatic effect.

>>115602157
Gil would have used Ea anyway she used exaclibur in order to counter him not the otherway around.

>>115601213
Avalon is only a defensive tool.
It allow Saber to counter EA, and counter attack quickly.

But Gil doesn't need to use EA to beat Saber.
If he sticked to swords spam, he would have won. Only Archer can counter it.

>>115602261
This is because Gil is shit melee and had Saber managed to reach him in spite of the GoB spam he probably would lost.

>>115598006
>Why didn't Gilgamesh use Enuma Elish against Unlimited Blades Works earlier?
Rho Aias can stop it.

>>115602063
Exclabiur: A++
Avalon: A+++

Maximum damage: 200

Ea without boost from Gate of Babylon's NPs at full power: 4000

Only reason Avalon gives Saber a chance is because she's temporarily in another dimension while Ea rips apart space/time. And Gil never used a full powered Ea against Saber's Avalon.

Avalon can not beat Ea.

>>115602322
Avalon can't match a full powered Ea, if both hit, it will "rip" the truth from Avalon. Saber can only win against a cocky or jobbing Gil.

>>115602182
He did use Ea, and she almost died right then. If she could have used Avalon to autowin, she would have.

>>115602322
Gil would never do that however. serious or not he just wouldn't. his whole pride is built on the fact he's the strongest hero in existence. To not use Ea is to admit he's inferior to Saber.

>>115602374
>A+++

Avalon is EX, anon. Its power as a Noble Phantasm is unquantifiable.

>>115602364
If by block you mean it'd get destroyed effortlessly by a regular blast, sure.

>>115602374
Avalon is EX rank you idiot and it did beat Ea this is a fact.

>>115602457
Not if he dual wields two raw anus.

>>115602497
It only beat a low powered non-buffed Ea, you retard.

>>115602457
Shirou still survived bro.

>>115602497
It never clashed with Ea in the first place.

Just a question, when EA is used on Avalon, what's happen?

EA is stopped? Or EA miss the opponent, because lol, another dimension?

>>115602583
No one knows because we've never see a full powered NP powered Ea clash with Avalon yet.

>>115602538
Still beat Ea. I never said it could beat a full powered Enunma Elish. but that also has a charge time.

>>115602550
And Gil wasn't even that surprised. He laughed at Shirou. If he had been particularly intent on killing him, he would have raged.

>>115598006
Because Shirou has a speed advantage within Unlimited Blade Works.

The moment Gilgamesh brought out Ea, Shirou sliced off his arm.

Gilgamesh only has the opening to use Ea BEFORE Unlimited Blade Works is set up. Once it's set up, the advantage goes to Shirou and Gil more or less loses his chance at victory.

>>115602622
Full Power EA reveals the truth and Faerieland is pretty far away from the truth

>>115602563
Yes it did you secondary.

>>115602622
>I never said that
>I just implied it
Holy fuck you are stupid. If a proper Ea at full power hit Avalon, it would rip "the truth" and pull her back into the same dimension.

>>115602583
Ea misses Saber. It still connects with everything else.

>>115602182
He needs to be unable to react. If she gauged that simply using Ea was enough, she would have done it the first time and been done with it. She instead waited until he went full spin on it to keep him from being able to stop it or retreat in time by setting her self up inside the spot created by the beams clashing

>>115602665
>and Gil more or less loses his chance at victory.
Except that Shirou himself said that Gil could still easily beat him if he regained his cool

>>115598006
Because despite characters in the VN saying the opposite, he is kind of a dumb idiot.

>>115602616
We do not it can't reach Saber full stop this a stated fact in both the VN and all extra material. Gil fans are just being retarded.

>>115602683
No, it didn't. That was the point of Avalon.

>>115602675
Still doesn't reach Avalon. I have plenty of evidence that proves my claim there's no evidence that proves yours. Avalon still blocked an enuma elish.

>>115598982

Wasn't this the future? Wouldn't he be given a lethal injection?

Can someone remind me what it was Shirou did to get executed in the future. It's been awhile.

>>115602690
Avalon beats everything aside from seventh dimension fuckery that even Zelretch isn't capable of. Whether weak as hell or full blast, EE will never work at all.

Are there any servant that can compete against serious Gil?

>>115602690
>If a proper Ea at full power hit Avalon, it would rip "the truth" and pull her back into the same dimension.
Where are you pulling this out of your ass from?

>>115602832
Sun Wukong and Arcueid.

>>115602812
It never blocked shit. The whole point is that Saber was never there when Enuma Elish did hit.

>>115602832
Ekidu and the frankensakuras,

>>115602753
There was a confrontation. It couldn't reach Avalon, which is how the ability works, so yes it was in fact fact "blocked", "evaded" whatever the hell you want to call it

>>115602814
When do you even find out Archers backstory?
I only played Fate and UBW.
I remember getting a taste of it in UBW.

>>115602814
>Wasn't this the future? Wouldn't he be given a lethal injection?
People are still getting their heads chopped off and shit today. That likely won't change ever.

>>115602878
>Sun Wukong
Lives like a munchkin, dies like a munchkin

>>115602832
No. That's why he's the King of Heroes.

So, when she use Avalon, she is on another dimension. She can't attack, and can't be hit right?
It's only good vs NP like Gaebolg, EA blast.

It's useless vs Berserkers, or diarmund, for example?

>>115602940
He does reach enlightenment at the end of his story.

>Avalon: The Everdistant Utopia
>The matching “scabbard” of the holy sword Excalibur. The wielder does not age, and injuries will also quickly heal.
>After invoking its true name, Avalon dissipates as tiny particles into the air, and shields the wielder from all interference. No damage can be done to the wielder when a state of absolute defence is initiated. Even interference from the parallel world based on the Second Magic will be blocked. An “absolute defence” that can even repel the assault of True Magic, it is a True Magic in itself. No one can harm the tranquil King that stands in the land of Avalon.
When Avalon was unleashed, not even the King of Heroes could harm Sabre.

Avalon is basically the ultimate defense. As long as Saber is protected by it, she cannot be touched. It completely negates all physical phenomena and even protects the user from interference from True Magic. This also includes Ea. As long as Saber is using Avalon, she is completely isolated and cut off from everything.

There is no point in this discussion.

>>115602948
Saber can beat a serious Gil. Take your wanking elsewhere.

>>115602920
It probably briefly mentioned in some side material, Ataraxia or Extra.

>>115602862
Secondary please, kill yourself.

>>115602985
>Deermud
>a threat
Look, if Saibah was a guy, she'd have wiped the floor with him.

>>115603020
>Saber can beat a serious Gil
>Take your wanking elsewhere
Sasuga Jack

>>115602985
Pretty much though it does provide regen. But as long asyou can hell her outside Avalon, you can beat Saber.

>>115602985
Well no. It works against anything. It's just that against attacks without a cooldown, there's not much room to counter like she did against EA.

>>115603097
No argument thinks people will take you seriously. Top kek.

>>115602985
Actualy I'm not even sure whether or how Avalon would work against Gae Bolg.

>>115603014
>As long as Saber is using Avalon, she is completely isolated and cut off from everything.
Although Archetype Earth could destroy it pretty easily.

>>115603038
I think you're the secondary here, anon.

The "truth" is mainly just a visual effect. When its used at full power, it reveals the form of the planet back in its primordial days, at the days of its birth. But that effect in itself doesn't actually harm anyone.

Enuma Elish is a physical phenomenon. Avalon completely shuts down all physical phenomena. The King of Heroes cannot harm Saber as long as she's within the confines of Avalon, not even with Ea.

>>115603158
Maybe the effect kicks in the moment she leaves Avalon.

>>115603111
Can she activate it at will, and fight like a guy in matrix?
Activate it to go through opponent sword, and disactivate to attack afterward?

>>115603215
>Activate it to go through opponent sword, and disactivate to attack afterward?
That's exactly what she did in Fate you secondary.

>>115603215
No she has to call out the name

Archer beat Gil with a kitchen knife. Let that sink in.

>>115603215
Like the twins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NONAOaZQqn4

>>115603215
She can't advance while being in Avalon if you mean that.
Also she has to call out it's name so the use in normal combat is limited

>>115602374
Avalon can defend from the any of the five True Magics. It can hold it's own against Ea. It's absolute.

>>115603280
Archer also beats Gil in a cooking contest, your point?

>>115603020
Too bad your waifu would have died if he hadn't kept her alive on purpose.

But can Gil defeat ORT?

>>115603405
No

>>115603340
And gil would have lost at the first use of Ea if she had activated Avalon earlier. What an embarrassing match that would have been.

Oh man UBW ending is such an asspull
>remember that guy who about 50 swords to the body and we say die
>merely pretending

>>115603405
Maybe.

Ado Edem was able to defeat an Aristotle using Slash Emperor, which is basically nothing more than sheer brute strength. Ea could probably take out a Type.

>>115603309
Calling out its name doesnt mean much she it happens instantly anyways. The only issue is whether or not the opponent is doing an attack with a long recovery.

>>115603405
Gil can't even beat Saber why would anyone think he can beat ORT

>>115603513
You think swords can kill Emiya? He's made of swords!

>>115603484
Nah. If she could have done it, she would have. She didn't for a reason. Your judgment doesn't supersede Saber's, because we know for fact that she wouldn't/couldn't afford to use it then.

>>115603484
So she wanted to get beaten up?

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Why didn't Shirou projected a new heart for Ilya?

>>115603547
Gilgamesh would just walk in range of ORT and get instantgibbed into crystals.

>>115603547
She only lived because he wanted to rape her. He could have wrecked her shit multiple times during the route.

If Saber used Avalon against Fragarach, what would happen?

>>115603484
That's not how it works at all.

The thing with Avalon is that it's pure defense. She needed to keep it as a trump card until the very last moment. If she used it earlier on and failed in her counterattack, Gilgamesh would have become more wary. Saber would lose her chances to counter of Gil knew what was coming. That's why she had to save it until she had a clear shot.

>>115603654
It's just Saberfags grasping for straws and being unable to get over the fact that Gil could have killed her, unscathed, during their final fight.

>>115603536
>sheer brute strength
Not exactly. It's special ability can be said to be similar to EA in how it 'reveals the truth'. That, and it has the ability to 'kill' TYPEs which normal weapons cannot.

>>115603591
No she could have used it then. That was heavily implied. It doesn't take much intelligience to realise she didn't because she believed Excalibur was enough. It was a whim there was nothing physically stopping her. Much like how there was nothing physically stopping gil from bringing out Ea the second he entered UBW outside of his ego.

>>115603765
I know that some Saberfags are delusional but that one is on a level where he probably thinks Fate is the best route

>>115603765
To be fair, Gil could kill pretty much anyone, even Archer, in a straight up 1v1. Too bad he never does though, so it's all irrelevant.

>>115603672
not a sword

>>115603192
>The "truth" is mainly just a visual effect.
I stopped paying attention here to your argument having any validity at this point.

Why Shirou didn't trace a degraded version of EA? Like excalibur?

>>115603741
No she didn't there's nothing absolutely nothing that implies what your saying.

Your argument comes down to Saber can only use Avalon once which is in itself retarded.