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Saber thread
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>>115026031
Fake Arturia Saber is Fake

She's got tits.
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>>115026140
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Saber > Saber
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>>115027182
Saber >>>> Any Saber clone
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>Breast

Get this disgusting abomination away from me. My real king has small breast with perky pink nipples.
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>>115027232

Art thou feeling regret for settling for an inferior Saber?
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>>115027269
Fuck off, Nero. You will never be a fraction of perfection as my glorious Arturia.
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>>115027269
>cute small breasts
>inferior
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>>115027309

Art thou mad plebian?
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>>115027346
Stay irrelevant, clone.
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>>115027135
why is nero so perfect?
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>Saber's gonna job like shit all through UBW
>The 16 year old high school kid is gonna come off way more competent
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>>115027346
My angel will always be relevant even a decade later with out a dedicated anime Fate. (Fuck you Deen shit doesn't count). Your clone will collect dust on two PSP games.
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>mfw this board will soon be filled with saber appreciation threads every day
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>>115027507
That yuro Saber faggot makes them almost everyday.
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>>115027507
You mean Rin.
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>>115027570
>posting worst typemoon
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>>115027507
I actually want Lancer's threads everyday to laugh at his luck
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>>115027638
I want Lancer threads everyday, because he is the best servant and a total bro.
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>>115027595
But I'm posting best Type Moon though?
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>>115027675
Yeah, Archer is loved by many.
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>>115027675
yeah archer is the best
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>>115027667
Every Lancer thread would have to end with someone posting a gif/webm of one of his many hilarious deaths.
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>>115027712
>>115027734
No! Rin!
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Best king
Best servant
Best T-M
Best girl
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>>115027675
>>115027570

Yeah, Rin is the best.
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>>115027218
Bur that's a Ruler you have there..
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Suit Seibah best Seibah
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>>115027797
>Best T-M
>Best girl

But that's not Arcueid.
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>>115027797
>her country falls during her reign
>best king

hohohohohoho
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>>115027797
>worst king
>useless servant
>popularfag typemoon
>futa, not even a girl
>worst saber
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>>115026031
3 different sabers all look the same no originality GG typemoon

did someone make the pc vn have the sprites from ufotable psp verision yet?
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>>115027767
>Expecting Saberfags to have good taste
>Ever
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Slut Seibah best Seibah
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>>115027850
She was the best king, even Lancelot said that
>>115027851
Rinfag, pls
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>>115027765
The Carnival Phantasm ones?
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>meme servants
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>>115027901
Okay, who tried to feed the naked retard yogurt on the futon again?
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>>115026031

Where the fuck is the original full size version of this pic?
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>>115027667
I'm down for a Lancer thread
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>>115027950
yeah because opinion of one of her knights is so objective

her subjects fucking hated her
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Is there a plebber waifu than Saber?
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>>115028220
asuka from eva
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>>115028220
You're mom
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>>115028220
Fuck YOU!
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>Rinfags and Saberfags will never stop hating each other

I just want to love both ;_;
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>>115028220
Nope. She's probably the only king in the world who could walk amongst her commoners and no-one would bat an eye. That's how pleb she is
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>>115027415
In the VN he didn't seem competent, just lucky and traced the right things at the right time. He could barely match Souichiro and his steel hard murder-fists.

Ufotable will do a good job with Shirou's fights, I hope. I really like seeing him struggle and win.
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>>115027901
I remember having nightmares about this scene

How horrifying
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>>115028472
>He could barely match Souichiro and his steel hard murder-fists

Same goes for Saber.
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>>115028505
She lacked ethics.
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>>115028505
He just got the jump on her, she didn't expect him to move in such a way (martial arts magic). I think it was commented if there was a re-match, Saber would annihilate him since she's already seen his one and only trick.
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>>115028438
Clone Wars are much worse. It's amazing how much Nero and Arturia fags hate each other.
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>>115028566
As always, Kotomine wins
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>>115027309

But she's Bi by choice. You had to be forced into it by Rin.
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>>115028438

But Rin herself was a Saberfag. She even got to do what Saberfags can only dream of.
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>>115028640
All that tells us is that Rin has terrible taste in women.
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>>115028653

That's not true. She goes after Rider as well.
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>>115028472
>In the VN he didn't seem competent, just lucky and traced the right things at the right time. He could barely match Souichiro and his steel hard murder-fists

Except in Sparks Liner High
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>>115028671
I add an addendum to my statement in light of your post.

"Rin has terrible taste in women...most of the time"
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>>115028566
Saberfags hate nerofags for watering down saber, nerofags have chips on their shoulder the size of russia to prove that an imitation can be better than the real thing. It'll only end when fate/extra is forgotten, which it mostly is already.
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>>115028472
>In the VN he didn't seem competent
You'll see how wrong you are once the UBW fights get animated.

Not to mention once the HF movies comes out.
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>>115028790
Caster is still best Extra though
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>>115028790
I don't think Fate/Extra is forgotten. Especially when CCC translation finishes in 2020, there will be much to talk about. Also, there are lot of Nero figurines coming.
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>>115028790
>which it mostly is already.

Shit is mentioned at least once every thread. Extra and CCC will never be forgotten, it's like if you hated Ataraxia or Tsukihime and thought "Eventually it'll be forgotten", but pieces of it will always remain in the forefront.
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>>115028842
>Caster is still best Extra
Not when Assassin is still around
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>>115028366
Young Saber made me remember. Why does no one try to summon Merlin?
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>>115028881

Because Merlin is still alive, but trapped in a tree.
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>>115028842
Wrong, archer is best with his 3rd biggest bust size in the type moon universe.
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Bitches need to not be going on about how Nero a shit because "She's stealing the screen time of real Saber, she's just an inferior model".

Urobuchi says she's way more of a Gilgamesh clone in terms of personality, and Nasu says she was designed to be a response to Alexander from Zero in terms of personality. She's a fourth type of tyrant, who Nasu admits "This is what Alex would probably be like if I was writing him" as he wanted to challenge it a bit. She's not a Saber clone at all aside from appearance, she's not watered down Saber, she's an entirely different shit from the start who they just slapped a similar appearance on for some reason.

Frankly it would be odd if you thought they personalities were the same at all, or that she's just diet Saber.
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>>115028881
>wanting to summon a servant whos noble phantasm power is give you a penis
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>Shirou gets raped every fight
>Gets pushed to the brink of death like 20 times
>Somehow manages to win with an asspull every time

>Servants are supposedly extremely powerful and quick
>Can't even kill a highschool student

Wait, people actually like this?
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>>115028968
Also in before people think I even like Nero.
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>>115028991
just like every chinese cartoons
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>>115028991
>Not liking seeing heroes overcome adversity
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>>115028907

Assuming that Anon meant summoning for whatever flavor of the Holy Grail War it is this week, being alive doesn't mean you can't be summoned.

Flatchested Saber was still alive when she was summoned for both the Fourth and Fifth HGW.
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>>115028991
>>Somehow manages to win with an asspull every time
How about you read the VN. Shirou dies 90% of the time in utterly hilarious ways. Pick the cowardly choice that seems like it'll keep you alive, some servant or illya will get pissed off and kill you for being a pansy on your way back home.
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>>115028907
>Because Merlin is still alive, but trapped in a tree.

Saying such a thing only proves that you don't know how the Throne works at all.
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>>115029037
>alive
she was dead
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>>115028991
This is exactly the secondary we were most afraid of. Both those questions are absolutely retarded if you had read the VN, or werent an impatient shitter who expects to be spoonfed every detail of the story immediately.
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>>115028220
>Pleb-tier: Asuka/Rei, Sakura from Naruto, Winry from FMA
>Subhuman tier: Misato, Saber
Nope
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>>115027135
What is different about the eyes?
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>>115029581
Buy a new pair of eyes m8
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>>115029581
The eyelashes and that she's not mad
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>>115028857
Translation? Explain further.
Official or fan?
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>>115028220
Even more pleb than Horo.
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>>115027848
How do you like the miniskirt?
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Gosh anon-kun you're such a loser
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>>115029255
>misato subhuman tier

Ritsukofag pls
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>>115029630
Fan translation. It's going slowly though.
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>>115028529
Too bad that there wouldn't be a rematch after Kuzuki beheaded her
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>>115028991
Cool story bro, but how about you read the VN?
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>>115028683
Against Alter Saber that just stood there gave him tips and let him recover.
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>>115029063
She was alive, barely, but alive. Was a special case because she made a deal with the Grail, hence why she couldn't go spirit form.

>>115029061
Isn't the Throne where heroes go to after they expire, and are removed from time and space entirely (to then serve as blueprints for the copies they create for the War)? How would one go there if he never died?
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>>115029771
>How would one go there if he never died?

Humanity will all die at some point, the Earth will die at some point, the entire point with how the Throne works as shown in UBW is that it's outside of time itself. It doesn't fucking matter if he's not dead yet, because if he ever dies or if humanity dies, if Notes happens, it doesn't matter how it happens, but if he ever dies then he's in the Throne now.

He will indeed die at some point, he is indeed already in the Throne, unless he made it to Avalon as well. The entire point with Archer's story is that it doesn't matter if he's not dead right now, the Throne is outside of time, as long as he died at some point he is now outside of time itself with the Throne. Thus he can be summoned in a paradox while he was still alive.
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>>115028865
I dont know what threads you've been going to, but those one off times i see extra mentioned, its just archer 90% of the time or gawain shitposting.
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SABER IS FUCKING NEO-TYPE-MOON LITTLE WESTERN PIECE OF BRITSHIT FUCK THAT UGLY DEGENERATE SCUM-WHORE AND FUCK ALL NEO-TYPE-MOON SECONDARY SHIT KIDS WHO CONTINUE TO SPAM THAT SHAMEFUL HEMORRHOID WOUND ON TYPE-MOON'S REPUTATION.

DUMB FUCKING SHITFUCKS FUCK YOU TO YOUR SECONDARY SHITHOLE.
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>>115030339
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>>115030339
Sup /jp/
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>>115028438
Rinfags are/were prior to this adaptation basically nonexistant though. We are a rare breed.
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>>115030403
/jp/ was the good part of /a/. Until moot ripped it out and threw it out to the dogs.
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>>115030620
>/jp/ was the good part of /a/
/jp/ was and will always be a different type of cancer
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>>115030613
>Rinfags are/were prior to this adaptation basically nonexistant
What?
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>>115030613

That's a joke. There's about equal numbers of Rin and Sakurafags judging from what I'd seen.
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>>115030613
I've been here for years, Rin always had a decent following, but something happened a few months before the anime was announced to be UBW. I'm not sure what really caused it aside from the Rin Appreciation Threads, but these days you can't go by without "Best girl, best everything, best everything ever. other girls can't compare, absolute perfection, Rin is the best of all time" these days. The odd part though is that it wasn't even caused by the adaption being announced as UBW, but it was egged on even further because of it until now it's even more of a thing.

There was a time when Saber was the most popular, but I think that stopped some years back. Either way though, Rin types weren't ever rare at all, but they weren't as outspoken as these days. There's a danger in being too outspoken that some have probably realized at this point. Even now I have that one guy's folder from when he posted the UBW patch, that has 700 Rin pics.
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>>115028881
Stuck in some crazy magic tree.
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>>115030825

I like Rin, but I can't understand how people can gloss over he faults. Her flaws are a large part of what make her interesting as a character. Same with Arturia and Sakura. They all have their dark sides, their secrets. That's what make them so interesting. If the Characters in Fate weren't half as interesting as they are I doubt it would be this popular.
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>>115030736
I don't know about that. To this day, I'm convinced that everyone who claims to be a Sakurafag actually does it to troll everyone else.
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Not sure this one was ever scanned
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>>115029849
You realize that not every famous person goes to the throne of heroes right?

And there are plenty of places that you could be trapped in order to get cut off from the throne, right?
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>>115028640
>>115027901
Is there a pc version that retains all the blood and violence but has no sex scenes?
I thought they were kind of retarded and just wanted to skip it, like the tentacle rape in muv luv
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>>115030825
I guess I'm lucky to like Taiga, no quarrels, no shitposting, a small circle of chill anons, I just hope it won't degenerate any time soon.
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Saber is shit.
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>>115028991
>anime only fags
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>>115027507
Why would that happen, she's irrelevant n UBW
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>>115031088
Kuzuki appreciation thread than
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>>115031130
>Saber goes up against Jackie Chan in a ladder factory
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>>115031008
Don't worry bro. Taiga has the best following. There's not a shit-lot of conflict within the group and it doesn't generally interfere with the main heroines discussion
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>>115031228
That's because there's a total of 3 taigafags
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>>115030924
People can like Sakura just fine, though I really enjoyed it more when mentioning her didn't cause a shitstorm or constant wormslut comments that makes normal discussion impossible.

Yes, such a time existed. She was just another Fate girl at one point without all the bullshit we've attached over the years. The most I can aim for is a more neutral outlook on all of this so that we can talk again normally, or just stop taking part in it entirely.

I'm not aiming for a place where everyone loves her, no one would want such a thing to begin with. The only thing to aim for is a world where we can just talk normally at times, and we understand the characters.
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>>115031275
Please, we're up to four now. We learnt that last time
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>>115029758
You mean the servant who explicitly is always in rage mode and can't hold back at all in a fight?
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>>115031333

We all know one of them was samefagging.
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>>115031310
All what you have just said gave me a boner... or maybe it was the picture
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>>115031378
Probably, gotta roar loud ya know
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>>115031201

Can I summon Jackie Chan as a servant and his noble phantasm would be a ladder factory reality marble in which he's holding a baby and wants no trouble?
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>>115031529
Anrimiteddo raddah wooks
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>>115031511
Shirou and Rin aren't classmates m8
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>>115031529
>Can I summon Jackie Chan as a servant and his noble phantasm would be a ladder factory reality marble in which he's holding a baby and wants no trouble?

Sure just give it a cool name and a chant to activate it.
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>>115030924
I'm not.
I like purple hair and I feel bad for her.
And I respect her for having borne all the horrible things they did to her superbly.

That's Saberfags I can't understand. At least based on zero.
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>>115031666

total not Satan understands. I might prefer Rin, but I can understand why people would prefer Sakura. The Tohsakas had good genes for making attractive girls.
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OHOHOHOHOHOHO
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>>115031933
Lewd.
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>>115031952
Nonsense
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Go back to drawing Saber, tusia
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>>115031993

She really does like the pussy.
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>>115031578
That school has more than one classroom?
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>>115031933
OHOHOHOHOHO RIN TOHSAKA PLEASES MEN FROM OLD MANGA FOR GEMS
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>>115032119
This would require a contraception guardian from the future
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>>115032119

We know she's got a nice ass.

>>115032143

She wanted it.
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>>115032184
Who did she get her ass genes from?
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>>115032202
>DEENshit
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>>115032211

The Finnish Blood.

See Luvia.
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>>115032276
I was expecting you to say Tokiomi
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>>115032309

We never see his ass though do we?
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I've never seen a person actually make that facial expression before.

How does puffing your cheeks out tell the onlooker that you're mildly annoyed at how bashful they're making you feel?

Maybe the Japanese learned it from various blowfish.

If that's true, then that face doesn't convey the above at all when it's clear the Japanese have confused an obvious trait of self-defense as a shy expression.

Maybe in warm waters, the blowfish turn red, thus fooling onlookers into thinking they're blushing.

Or maybe they really ARE blushing, in which case the Japanese are actually right.
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>>115031666
I don't dislike Sakura, but I know what she is. She has all the symptoms of a histrionic and emotionally abusive woman. I've had to deal with their deceit first-hand. By the end of HF you do see that, in fact, Sakura is only half-heartedly pretending to be a victim, like many abusive women. They're all born with knowledge of emotional manipulation. They wallow in the muds of self-pity, and slowly their own drama makes them lose compassion for others, to the point that they will hurt others without feeling any guilt. That's Sakura, and abusive women in a nutshell. In fact HF is a very apt analogy for real life. Abusive women wreck stuff because drama in their head. Men may get destroyed for white-knighting.

Really, just say no to deceit, no matter the circumstances. Beware of pity, or you will be the next villain in her story that she needs rescued from. Supporting the downtrodden is very different from actually dating them. Saber is our idealistic childhood fantasy. Rin is the light and candidate for a healthy, uplifting relationship. Sakura is the mud of self-pity and misery that characterizes all torrid, toxic relationships.
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>>115032369
So how would Sakura fly to her Swordman?
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>>115032359
filthy secondaries
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>>115032417
Ribbon side copter
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>>115032417
She would worm instead
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>>115032417
Worms helicopter
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Saber confirmed for best stay night.
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>>115032467
>>115032487
That's just rude.
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>>115032340
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>>115032514
>not rin
1/10 please try again
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>>115032551

Please. Sakura is number one.
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>>115032587
She has the boobs, but that's it.
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>>115026031
Who is the artist for OP?
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>>115032587
But that ain't Sakura, son.
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>>115032686
Yeah that bothers me. Sakura-fans always busting out the /CCC to justify Sakura but no-one is using the Saber Clones or Prisma/Rin to justify the other two
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>>115032782
Does Prisma's Rin have a particularly different personality?
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>>115032926
I'd argue yes. I don't think FSN Rin would ever lower herself to become Luvia's maid. However I'm not 100% confident I can argue this point successfully so I am pre-emptively conceding defeat on this point
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>>115032782
You'll find that that's because Saber and Rin clones are vastly inferior to the originals, whilst the same can't be said for wormslut.
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>>115033016
Not sure if that's an insult to Nasu being unable to write better, or a compliment to /CCC's writing staff where BB and Co are just superior versions of Nasu's Sakura
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Every version of wormslut are shit
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>>115031002
>implying retarded sex scenes are worse than mana dolphins
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>>115031002
Honestly the sex scenes would do better as fade to black, I ctrled through them anyway.
They weren't even really fappable, mostly due to writing, but still.
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>>115033242
Reminder that mana dolphins did nothing wrong
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When is the next episode of UBW:Rhino wars?
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>>115033099
I can't say I agree, most people who critique FSn Sakura usually parrot half-assed out of context insults about her character, and really prove that they either are hiding the fact they didn't read the VN, or they are one of those people who blindly hate a character and offer rather hypocritical comments. They'll accept behavior from one character, but not from other characters. It makes character analysis pretty useless.

There are rare people who do have intelligent counterpoints, but those are few and far between. I found Sakura just as fun as either BB or Blossom, and Nasu himself said that BB was primarily based off his version of a mischevious subset of the kouhai archetype, which Sakura showed in both FSN and Hollow, but "mischeviousness" wasn't her primary attribute. That made her a complex character.
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>>115032782
>Prisma Rin
>justify
Prisma Rin was a lot worse than FSN Rin.
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>>115033487
There is a heavy bias when Sakura fans go up against Rin and Saber fans and the entire argument is just. "Lol wormslut"
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>>115033566
Which is why I don't argue personal opinion, and only go for factual errors and hyprocritical statements. For instance, the primary thing is that she is boring, and only cares about cooking and senpai, but she is the only character who actively takes part in a sports club regularly even when her senpai never comes back to it, and even leads it at the end of the original game and the fandisk. Further, her cooking was something shared between her and Shirou, not just something she does to be close to him, the teacher/student dynamic they have is amusing, and she actively tries to better herself in it outside of hanging with Shirou.

Now, it is unfortunate that Nasu didn't show more of her training in magecraft, that is a fair argument in discussion, since there are lots of interesting subplots to explore there: her making friends with a bishop of the Church and her learning witchcraft from Rider both in FSN and Hollow, and how she made/obtained that mystic code she wears in Hollow.
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>>115033864
She's the slut who killed Shirou's character during HF "protect me sempai" no fuck off
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>>115033864
I think Sakura was fucked by the fact that she's only a beast when she's at her worst and that rubs people the wrong way.

"There's no reason to like someone who's terrible at magic in a show about magic."

Nasu also fucked her by getting her Imaginary Numbers turned into a generic Water affinity. She would have been cool as fuck if she could use that.
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>>115032782
I'm a Sakura fan and I know that isn't Sakura. You got to stop your generalizations there.

Though I always found it amusing that some try to use that to propel their soapbox about how bad Sakura is, when it's artwork from one of her biggest fans in the TM staff, Koyama. Most don't know that TM has quite a few Sakura fans on staff - OKSG, Koyama, BLACK, and now Aotsuki. It's mentioned in her entry in the dictionary, an excerpt from a 2004 material book.
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>>115033922
I find Sakura thoroughly less interesting than the other two heroines, but you're clearly missing the point of HF if you think she/it killed Shirou's character.
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Saber could beat up your dad
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>>115034061
>implying I have an issue I'm trying to propel

>Not just pointing out the awkwardly consistent regularity to which that picture gets used in defense of FSN Sakura when its not her.
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>>115034098
Easy enough since he's dead.
I wouldn't call it an achievement.
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>>115034241
Saber is dead too though
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>>115034254
But my dad isn't a heroic spirit.
And no he's not gonna be a counter guardian
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>>115034307
>Not a Heroic Spirit
>Doesn't know the legends about his own father

Are you just willfully ignorant of how badass your father was or did he keep you out of the loop?
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>>115034241
Your dad might be a Heroic Spirit.
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>>115034307
Your father is the bone of his sword
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>>115032587
That is fat ass. Hot.
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>>115033947

She isn't terrible at magic that is a myth, her magecraft and natural affinity was messed up, there is a difference. There are plenty of scenes she does things Shirou would cross his eyes at, like using remote viewing through Rider to watch over him in the forest, or evading Rin's monitoring familiar and sneaking out of the house to face Zouken. or even stitching her limbs back together not due to AM but her own powers.

See, people get the wrong idea when critiquing her when she was in captivity, whereas in Hollow(where she actually jumped into a sea of Avenger corpses to back up Rider and fought for an hour at the Broad Bridge battle), when she is free or any time she is free, she goes back to relearning magecraft. She even does so in HF Normal, where she takes a student. That's dedication to strive so hard when honestly, you'd be better off going back to a normal life after a lifetime of enslavement.
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>>115034361
>Are you just willfully ignorant of how badass your father was or did he keep you out of the loop?
Unless he was batman he was a pretty normal nerdy teacher
My mother would be a pretty good berserker though
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>>115029061
Unfortunately, the ToH tries as hard as possible to retain causality, so when lacking a reverse future catalyst, you won't be able to summon something from the future.
>>115029037
Saber wasn't summoned under normal means: she took a contract to do time travel on a system that happens to be the same system the ToH uses. Merlin didn't, and has no reason ti.
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>>115032293
Okay, this is my fetish.
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>>115034171
Oh well, guess those people are just too sensitive.
Besides, there was already a good looking pic by Koyama of the actual her, it should be posted more. I'd post it, but don't have it on me.
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>>115034505
Your father was actually an assassin. He could take on servants with his snake style and win. No-one expected much from him but those in the know spread his legend to the point it grew within the community.

Kuzuki is based on your father
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>>115034636
>don't have it on me

Here you go: http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/299297?tags=parent%3A299297
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If Caster summoned a fake servant, does that means she can summon any comic/manga hero?
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>>115033947
Her main issue is that she isn't trained in Magecraft. She is a experiment for Zouken, so he can create worm homos instead of hoping the land will be kind.
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>You will never be a heroic spirit
>You will never be turned into a cute girl to serve some random schmuck
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>>115026031
artist?
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>Looks at the lewd images in dis thread

Damn it, I'm going to have to start making
a folder for this don't I?
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I argued with a friend that Saber would beat Erza from Farty Trail no problem.
More experience and that whole Excalibur thing to heal her, it would be a war of attrition that Saber would win.
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>>115035042
It has to be someone rooted in reality.
The Assassin she summoned never existed as the legend goes, so instead, she summoned a nameless guy who just happened to be the closest thing that resembled Kojirou's 'legend'.
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Arturia with boobs?
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>>115036392
Red saber?

Small breasts are good too, much
more sensitive, and easier to make a woman..
Gush.
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>>115033947
But she actually have both.
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>>115033947
In terms of natural skill and affinity, she's equal or surpassing Rin in some fields, but she loses out in actual experience or knowledge.

She molded her entire magic into something two times over in the scope of four days by just feeling shit out, she is a genius in some fields and is a natural. However since she's still a Lv1 in terms of knowledge, Rin notes that what she molded her magecraft into was all pretty basic stuff without greater complexity, but simple isn't always terrible in this case. It just means it's easy to avoid for Rin who can see through it, although the scope of it was too huge to play that card due to her mana being at the level of a counter guardian. Also as she lacks experience, Rin can still see through her and out-talk her most of the time.

Sakura had just as much potential and possible inborn genius as Rin, but since 80% of it went underutilized she has some flaws to exploit even with infinite power, despite being good enough to mold it. As of Ataraxia she's training from the ground up in experience and knowledge from Rider and someone from the Church. She's showing some fast growth, but Rin might always be more than one step ahead at that rate as they now challenge each other forward on the path.
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>>115034536
>you won't be able to summon something from the future.

Merlin is from the past, but died in the future. It's like if a wizard in the 1600's invented time-travel, moved forward four-hundred years through time, and then was hit by a car the moment he materialized. That's what Merlin is, and you're trying to make the argument "No, he's from the future now, doesn't count that most of his catalysts would be from the past".

He'll die in the future, but without a doubt he's from the past.
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>>115034479
>See, people get the wrong idea when critiquing her when she was in captivity, whereas in Hollow(where she actually jumped into a sea of Avenger corpses to back up Rider and fought for an hour at the Broad Bridge battle),

WHAT?! When was this? who's Avenger?
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>>115037542
Read Hollow Ataraxia m8
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>>115037542
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>>115037359
>Sakura had just as much potential and possible inborn genius as Rin

She doesnt. Her element is as rare as Rins element but it does not have the sheer functionality and wide application Rin's has.

Rins element is something most mages would kill for. Sakura's is a very interesting but ultimately not very useful one.
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>>115028131
>her subjects fucking hated her
No they didnt. A small part of them were duped into rebellion by Morgan and Mordred because they "couldnt understand her".

Essentially, she was too good a king. Her subjects demanded a king that was the embodiment of chivalry and who would separate themselves from everyone else. They got just that and some became uncomfortable with it.
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>>115037669
You know, mages have really gotta start doing something about going into battle in their normal clothes I can't imagine a dress is very combat helpful the same goes for Rin's short skirt and Saber's ballroom dress.
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>>115028438
Stop trying to force this epic meme.

Rinfags and Saberfags have long been bros. You wont change this.
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>>115037761
>Her element is as rare as Rins element but it does not have the sheer functionality and wide application Rin's has.

People really underestimate "That which is possible but not within reality" based on nothing. The train of thought basically just amounts to "That's one thing, and this is five things, it's clearly better to have more", despite how the missing elements can do shit that the standard elements could never dream of if shit lines up right. Imaginary Numbers alone can create entire dimensions, dimensions with infinite time and infinite space. It goes even further than that depending on the user, but the idea that "It's only effective against spirits" seems to be something the wiki just made up at present.
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>>115037943
>People really underestimate "That which is possible but not within reality" based on nothing

Its not that people underestimate it. Its that for something like Imaginary Numbers to be useful, the person needs to have a stupidly high amount of prana and even then it is only something that really affects familiars.

In the context of the grail war, this is pretty good. However, if we are talking about wider magecraft it is something that wouldnt be considered all that useful. Mages jizz themselves if they have control over two elements. Kayneth has control over water and wind and that is considered fucking awesome. Rin having control over all fucking 5 is like winning the magecraft lottery. So much so that she is said to become in the top 50 mages the Clocktower has ever had when she is a bit older.
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>>115037943
>just something the wiki made up
No, its stated in one of the data books.
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>>115037943
>Imaginary Numbers alone can create entire dimensions, dimensions with infinite time and infinite space
What is this fanfiction shit?

Even if it could, you'd need more mana that Zelretch has access to to be able to accomplish any of that
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>>115038149
If that were true it would be properly cited
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>>115037943
Basically if you have at average magic circuit(20x1?), its fucking shit because you don't have enough mana to get anything done with it.
Everything is shit at 20x1.

While the wiki is filled with tons of tons of tons and fanfiction, and taking interviews litterally.
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>>115026031
I have to ask because it's been annoying me lately, before the anime aired there was only Rin and Sakura fags around but barely any Saber fags. With that in mind is the majority of Saberfags seasonal fags and if so you guys are fucking disgusting and should be ashamed.
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>>115038202

Same with that whole "creates dimensions" bullshit that you just made up.
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>>115038234
>I have to ask because it's been annoying me lately, before the anime aired there was only Rin and Sakura fags around but barely any Saber fags

Hello newfriend. First month on /a/?
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>>115038234
Saberfags are probably the biggest subfanbase here, newfaggot-kun.

They just dont engage in daily shitflinging contests.
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>>115038107
>even then it is only something that really affects familiars.
hahaha. Remember Kayneths mercury blob? Thats a familiar.
Mystic Codes are technically familiars as well.
Do you use magic? Sorry, that too is affected.
And it goes the other way too. You can summon better familiars than others.

>>115038149
IN is not even stated to be shit in any of the FSN routes.
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>>115028991
lol, secondaries
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>>115038178
Sakura created a small dimension of infinite shadows to trap Gilgamesh in Heaven's Feel route for starters. Time and space don't so much apply in those dimensions created, not normally at least. We see some more applications in Ataraxia, CCC, Prism, etc. Like how in Prism all the servant worlds that are separated from normal space are imaginary number zones. Ataraxia she shows off her dimensions again in one or two jokes scenes. This is an ability which is slowly expanded upon more and talked about in different series.

Think of it as a pocket world that goes on forever, even the AUO could not escape from this imaginary numbers pit.
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>>115038318

Its a blob formed out of his control with water and wind, bro.

It isnt a prana construction. He fucking pours the mercury on the ground before animating it. Familiars = prana construct. Or if you are Nrvnsqr they are animals you have eaten.
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>>115038318

No.

Familiar = something born entirely of prana. Mystic codes are physical things that are manipulated with prana.

Just stop.
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reminder that if you don't like every TM girl in some shape or form, you're a fucking shit taste retard
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>>115038428
>>115038389
You could at the least disagree with me here.
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>>115038218
Yeah, most mages probably suck in general, although Sakura is on par with Rin with 1000 units of prana at a time. Supposedly equal circuits. So both sisters exhibit what normally cannot be done.

What is it with both Average One users to date, all they ever do is use it to send out magic grenades for the most part?
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>>115038460
Disagree? We are entirely refuting your point.

You cant bend something that is pretty specific to affect everything. You are posting a bad case of fanfiction and headcanon.
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>>115038262
>>115038303
So that's your excuse that I am new? Well it's fine you guys will die out once the anime is over anyways, just like you did after Zero.
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>>115038377
Although it was noted that Gilgamesh did almost escape a few times.

>Q: In Sakura’s Route, what happened to the devoured Gilgamesh? Sabre was blackened and enslaved, but was Gilgamesh’s will too strong to be dominated? Or was he completely digested?
>A: He simply cannot be controlled. In fact Gilgamesh cannot be blackened. After being devoured by the Grail, Sakura converted Gilgamesh into mana in haste because she was afraid that Gilgamesh might tear her up from the inside if she does not digest him. However, His Majesty was very hard to digest, so “Angra Mainyu” must have been plagued by belly-ache (laughs).
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>>115038502
>Its not
>Except the part where it is
please.
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>>115032072
REMOVE DRILL
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>>115038469
>supposedly equal circuits
I dont think we are ever told what Sakura's circuits are like.

>What is it with both Average One users to date, all they ever do is use it to send out magic grenades for the most part?

And, y'know, do Kaleidoscope magic. Rin being an inheritor and student of Zelretch's should tell you how OP her magecraft and element are.

And those "magic grenades" are all A ranked magic that can be invocked without incantation. That is some incredibly dangerous shit.
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>>115031310
well said
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>>115038504

>rinfags and sakurafags ever leaving

hahahahahahahaha
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>>115038537

>i have nothing, he has completely called out my fanfiction
>i'll just deny it constantly rather than try and come back with anything

Classy.
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>>115038584
You seem to have misread I was talking about the Saberfags.
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>>115038504

Anon, dont be an insufferable newfaggot.
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When will TM make a gag series about Saber and her son?
Season 4
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>>115031310

>weebs ever not arguing about why their waifu is the best

If only such a world could exist.
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>>115038629

>he wasnt here for the 23 thread straight Saber dump which broke the board
Again, just because we dont chimp out at other fanbases doesnt mean we arnt here in force, anon.
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>>115038504
>TMfags dying out ever

A man can dream.
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>>115038638
Is not about being new it's about calling out for Saberfags and there never being one in the threads before the anime. Shit feels alone.
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>>115038698
See >>115038682
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>>115038571
>Rin being an inheritor and student of Zelretch's should tell you how OP her magecraft and element are.
The crystal blade is just a glorified Azoth Dagger, except it has absurb capacity and draws magic from other dimensions.
That has nothing to do with Rins affinity, magic circuits, or element.
Which is sorta the point: She only figured out how to use it too late. If she had figured out earlier, she would have used it for actual magic.
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>>115038682

Such is life when Saber is stuck in the worst route. Rin vs. Sakura is usually just a proxy for UBW vs. HF.
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>>115038235
You say bullshit, but this is something we've seen more than a few times in canon so far. In HF she captures Gilgamesh in an imaginary numbers pit, she calls Saber and Berserker from them as well since they now have physical bodies and cannot go spirit form as noted, also she captures Rin inside of a pit like that in one ending. Also here's a quote from the wiki, but I'm skeptical on about half of what's said here.

> Imaginary Numbers is Sakura Matou’s unique Elemental Affinity and Sorcery Trait.[1] A power highly effective against spiritual beings, but not so potent against those whose body is not made out of Ether. When the Matou clan restraining spells are used along with this, it is possible to imprison and skewer the target into a separate dimension composed entirely of shadows. Furthermore, when Angra Mainyu power is imbued on Sakura she is able to use this ability even against normal humans.

Frankly I'm looking into this thing about how it's only effective against spirits, and nowhere in the citation does it actually say that from what I can tell. What it does say is...

>Like Hollow, the alignment of an imaginary element. In magery, defined as that "which is not possible, but materializes". Has a different meaning that the "nothing" of physics and math.

I'm not even saying it's surely wrong, but I'm not really seeing anything like that at present.
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>>115038682
I was, again I just thought you guys left.
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>>115038748
>worst route
For you
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>>115032119
Can Rin's ass kill Servants?
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>>115027850
Her reign was so perfect that people stop believing she was human. It falling was because she was too perfect. Everyone around her caused the kingdom to fall.
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>>115038739
>The crystal blade is just a glorified Azoth Dagger

Jesus fucking christ you are hot on this fanfiction shit today, arnt you?

It was a near perfect recreation of the 2nd magic, so much so that it dealt with Sakura and her near infinite grail spam just fine. Zelretch himself compliments Rin for her control over it.
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>>115038779

If having your waifu in a boring infodump route redeems the entire thing for you, I won't argue. Most people feel differently.
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I wonder if there's ever been a type moon thread that's never gone into some kind of war over the lore. Nasu is a bastard and a fiend yet Fate is very very popular because of the controversial lifestyle,habits and the morals that each character exhibits. Kinda reminds me of the sonic franchise and the zelda franchise where everyone has an opinion on everything and everyone wants theirs to be acknowledged as the correct one.
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>>115038755
Dont mistake calmness and quiteness for nothingness, anon.
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>>115038739
What this guy said for the most part, she didn't become Zel's student at all because "Her ability is so OP, yo", but because she was able to barely grasp how to make his sword. Which is the assignment he left to the Tohsaka family 500 years back. Upon completing it he came back to congratulate them, and make whoever his student.
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>>115038837

I have long been of the opinion that it was the "worst route" overall, however its 2nd half was for me far more entertaining than most of HF. It had a simplicity and pureness to it that HF lost in a convoluted mess.

And Last Episode was lovely.
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>>115038827
Lets start out the correction:
>It was a near perfect recreation of the 2nd magic
>What it is: It is 2nd magic, a implemented solution where you have a magic wand draining other dimensions for MP
>Contrast: Space Time box in HA

> Zelretch himself compliments Rin for her control over it.
>What really happened: Zelretch complimented Tohsaka for figuring out how to recreate it, and how to operate a device that has no instruction manual nor obvious mechanics
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Yeah, Blackened servants cannot return to spirit form, they are now physical.

>Blackening of Servants
>The black mud in the Holy Grail contaminates the souls of those who touch it. It goes without saying for mere humans, and supernatural beings like Servants are no exception to this either. The contaminated person's personality reverses toward the orientation of evil. This is madness caused by touching Angra Mainyu. This is called "blackening". There are those who can use the black mud as part of their own power thanks to the properties of its contamination and those whose powerful egos have stayed back its mental pollution.
>An example of the former is Matou Sakura and the latter is Gilgamesh. The blackened Servant is incarnated by the power of the Grail so the more concrete ties to the physical plane turns them into powerful beings.
>Their physical interference power increases but at the same time they lose the ability to return to spirit form.
>Also, as they no longer bother to restrain their magic energy consumption, their fighting ability jumps significantly. This momentum can be compared to a runaway train.
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>>115038890

Everything is more entertaining than most of HF. And last episode was a hasty band-aid to make Saberfags feel better about no syrupy-sweet happy end.
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>>115038850
You are right, how can anyone stop loving Seibah.
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>>115038969
Last Episode was planned from the get-go anon. Nasu took it out because he fancied being DEEP with a bittersweet end.
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>>115038890
>And Last Episode was lovely.
This guy is the best
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>>115038969

It was actually planned from the start.

However, nobody knows if Nasu took it out and then felt pressure to put it back in or if it was his intention all along to release something new with the game when RN was released.
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Saberfag here. We got Carnival Phantasm so I dont feel hard done by at all.
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>>115038469
Rin's jewels are part of her magic. She has lots of output, but her capacity isn't as high, so she can bleed it off into the right sort of gem. Stockpile enough, and you've got one hell of a weapon.
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>>115038571
>I dont think we are ever told what Sakura's circuits are like.
We weren't. We know that because she's a grail she has a lot of storage capacity, but we don't know anything about her circuits (she was a "rare potential like a miracle", yes, but that was because of her affinity).
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>>115038961
Rin only becomes strong in HF, and not in her own route. Fucking stupid.
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>>115027982
>>115032639
>>115035874
Artist name is Skylader.

Searched for Saber and "pouting" and found it. Tags are the greatest thing to happen to porn since the internet.
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>>115039173

After any of the routes, Rin is still destined to be amongst the top 50 mages the Clocktower ever produce, anon.
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>>115039173
Thats what happens when Kotomine teaches her to use gems for magic attacks, instead of just making more magic wands, thats durable.
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Casual summer dress Saber is a miracle of the universe.
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>>115039122
The main point of that was, you supposedly have the most versatile ability in the game, but all you do with it is make magic bombs to throw at people. There's no greater action at place, no mystic codes created like with Kayneth to work in different ways(despite all his shit being blown up aside from Mercury), she's just Magical Bomber Girl Rin.

They may be powerful bombs against most people, but she's nothing but a bomb type in the end. She either throws magic bullets that explode, or shoots a magic bullet from her finger that makes someone have a fever.

In terms of thought into it, it's almost entirely "Simple is best", without complexity or alternatives. Although you see some flaws with this line of thought during UBW when she and Shirou try to fight together against Lancer briefly, and she mentions she has no way of fighting with someone else since all her shit does is explode.
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>>115039122
Rins Jewels are a example of how to NOT use the Tohsaka magic.
Luviya only uses it because she is filthy rich.
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>>115039173
Rin is already ridiculously strong for a magus her age, she becomes strong in every route, HF is the only one that shows it directly is all. Out of all the human Magi in the series, Rin has the highest potential for growth.
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>>115039224
It's only in HF that she realizes Zelretch's treasure, with the help of Ilya and Shirou. She needed Ilya to complete it somehow.
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>>115039337
>you supposedly have the most versatile ability in the game, but all you do with it is make magic bombs to throw at people.

And that fucking awesome and far more effective than any "mage" in the 4th or 5th wars had at their disposal except Kerry and his hax bullets.
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>>115039300
She's always a miracle of the universe
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>>115039379

There is nothing to say that she wouldnt discover it in any of the other routes at a later date, anon.
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So i've been Watching Fate/Zero, since i never bothered when it aired (I thought it was another DEEN series so i never gave it a second glance). Gotta say, i was not expecting to like Iskander nearly as much as i do. And i can't help but smile every time i think about how buttmad Tokiomi would be if he found out a low class magus like Shirou deflowers and impregnates Rin.
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>>115039409
>Saber with ZR

HHHnnngggggggg
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>>115039387
Bomb magic is the strongest.
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>>115039338
>Rins Jewels are a example of how to NOT use the Tohsaka magic.
Not that guy but what do you mean how is she suppose to use it?
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>>115039387
>>And that fucking awesome and far more effective than any "mage" in the 4th or 5th wars had at their disposal

You're really overestimating this as a tactic, just because you see them as powerful bombs.

It works as a single action spell, but this is a very stunted idea to begin with in a way, rather than "awesome".
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>>115038753

To clarify a point or two, a mage is perfectly capable of using a spell that involves an affinity they aren't proficient in. However, just because they can do it doesn't mean they'll be any good at it. That's what the affinity is for, and is part of why Average One is so amazing, because it gives you all five elemental alignments at once, meaning you're good at everything you do. If you only have one element, then you'll be bad at stuff that treads on the territory of other alignments because your affinity is not those other alignments. It doesn't necessarily mean you couldn't make the attempt, but it's going to be inherently shitty because that's not really what the element does.

Like trying to use Fire for absorption and redirection and manipulation (all of which are Water-affinity traits). You might be able to do it, but it'll be weird and badwrong and not very effective.

Second, Sakura's Hollow element is great at doing anything involving "that which is possible but is not in the physical plane" (she has Hollow, not Nothingness; the latter is involved in some way with First Magic - you've quoted the wrong one). Outside of that it loses potency, just like any other element would when taken outside its box. It's still rare as all get out, though, so you can do some things with it that people would not be expecting at all unless they knew your affinity, because most would go into a "fight" expecting an elemental alignment, so you can come from way out of left field.
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>>115039425
She needed Ilya and Shirou to grasp it this time alone. Not just Shirou, but Shirou with beyond Shirou abilities at the time, and Ilya will be dead in other routes before she can help. You say "Nothing says she won't magically figure it out in other routes, despite how she needed to see and examine the real thing to figure it out this time", but there are reasons listed here why she's unlikely to figure it out in others.
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>>115039494
I like that Kerry never spoke with fastwheels during their first encounter
no trashtalking, no stunts, no overconfident shit
he wrecked him like a total pro
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>>115039337
>implying she could do anything else when Kotomine, a beginner in everything except spiritual surgery, was her teacher
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>>115039591

No. I am not.

Its instant use Class A magic without the need to an Incantation. She trumps even Caster with this.

Its a simple but incredibly powerful tactic. She even uses it to take a life off fucking Berserker. Not many humans can claim to have been able to kill a servant.
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>>115039494
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSvOmu_ezbo
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I don't get it.
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>>115039591
It's not that he's overestimating the tactic, it's that it's actually a tactic, and the vast majority of the Masters in the series are fucking retarded.

For example, Tokiomi canonically has Kaleido Stick Ruby as of his summoning Gil, but he doesn't give it to his goddamn wife despite it generating LITERALLY INFINITE MANA.
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>>115039662

She is young and has years of growth and potential ahead of her.
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>>115039669
>She trumps even Caster with this.

Now that really didn't happen, in battle Caster was far quicker with the incantations and spells even with a single verse. You really think Rin was anywhere near being able to match Caster in magic even in terms of quickness or instant usage? That's a fools assertion, she was using her inferiority to lure in her opponent to the real trap just like Archer was outside at the time.
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>>115038755
we just live in the shadows, but we are there
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>>115039587
Like her dad. Make Azoth daggers. Make wands.
Do rituals, and force them into wands, and then don't make it a one time deal, but rather a spell gun.
You can have a entire fucking house filled with the shit, and the good part of her family bloodline will replenish and maintain it all.
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>>115039703
Fuck you
Fuck you
Fuck you
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>>115039769

She blocks Caster's attack and then ORAORAORA's her with martial arts and strengthening magic.

Caster was shocked that a modern magus had anything that even came close to matching her ancient magic.
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>>115039807
She's adorable
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>>115027315
>>115027232
>>115036511
>>115036392
>>115027135

>flat-chest
Listen to what Nasu said in Kagetsu Tohya. Arc is invincible.

>Breast
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>>115039820
Oh I see.
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>>115039822
Please explain.
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>>115039834
No, go fucking reread the scene. Caster was going easy on Rin time and became too complacent which opens her up for the melee assault that Caster have no skill for fighting against.
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>>115039890
I don't know that guy is from a normalfag show my friends made me watch.
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>>115039834
No, Caster had no fucking idea what to do in a hand to hand fight because she never even considered a mage would actually do that.
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>>115039669
And Caster has a Class A with 1 word. Which she can use again and again, because Rin destroys her gems to do magic.
Rin is pretty bad, because Kotomine Suffering Kirei trained her.

>>115039716
Rin is even worse
>Have Kaleidostick
>Disregard and disown it because it has a will
Especially when you compared it to Prism Ilya, where the only difference is that she is forced to use it, so she gets over the fact it has a will.
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>>115039890
>>115039926
He is also called Archer so I hated it because of reasons.
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>>115039909

She still manages to block ancient magic with her own, and catches Caster off guard with it.

You can parrot
>b-b-but Caster was g-going easy on her!!1
all you want, however it does not change the fact that a modern mage was able to meet an ancient mage buffed by servant hax head to head with magic and still come out unscathed and even use it as a platform to beat her up.
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>>115038961
look at those tits, damn.
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>>115039926
>>115039975
Ok, a typical only-american joke then.
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>>115039909
>>115039949

Rin STILL FUCKING BLOCKED ANCIENT SERVANT POWERED MAGIC WITH HER OWN

You stupid cunts.
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>>115039300
a summer cami, nice.
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>>115039909
>Saber thread
>Best Saber hasn't been posted.
You nameless cowards have proved yourselves to have no taste again.
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>>115039996
>buffed by servant hax
What servants are nerfed versions of what they were in life.
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>>115039973
>Rin is even worse

Rin actually has a reason not to use it though. Childhood trauma and all.
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>>115039834
That's actually closer to what happened, but what you said at first "Its instant use Class A magic without the need to an Incantation. She trumps even Caster with this." is not correct.

Rin is far inferior in all fields in a magic battle, so she let her opponent get good and arrogant before rushing in with something that any typical magus would call "bullshit". However even then Kuzuki chastises her at being a failure as a killer for needing more than one strike to end it.

Even Saber who was raised of a certain age of magic agrees, "Mages don't do that shit, it's inelegant" which is why it worked.

All old age magus would say "What is this bullshit?" if they saw such a thing. It's such a non-tactic for any magus, that it would catch anyone with that old style of thinking off-guard. It's like getting into a sword fight with someone with honor and shit on the line, and then he pulls out a gun.
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>>115039996
>She still manages to block ancient magic with her own,
No, she was blocking Caster's casual magic,

>and catches Caster off guard with it.
That never happened.

What caught Caster off guard was the sudden melee assault she have no experience in fighting against.
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>>115040062
Gawain, pls fuck off
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>>115040027
Yeah pretty much.
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>>115040080
Rin disowns it because it talks back to her.
Instead of persuading it to work.
See where this is going?
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>>115040095
>>115039909
Pretty much, Caster was never caught off guard in terms of magic. She wasn't even trying to go all out.

http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20209/
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>>115040062
Gawain, are you implying that Arturia is not the best Saber?
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>>115040136
No, Rin disowns it because the first time she touches it she ends up putting on a terrible, terrible concert for all her school friends and as a result no longer has any school friends. AND it talks back.
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>>115026031
Why is she pouting?
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>>115040136
It has a personality and will, you'd have to be able to convince it in order to work for you, and Rin is the type who blows everything up or does something stupid when she gets hot-headed from having to deal with anyone. Like when she listened to Archer talk for ten seconds in prologue, and went into a tsundere rage and used a command seal.

She's the type who gets fed up quickly and loses herself entirely. So expecting her to communicate with that rod is unlikely at best.
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>>115040068
No, servants are nerfed version of Heroic spirits, both servant and heroic spirits however are almost always stronger than them in life.
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>>115040136
Keep in mind that not even Shirou agreed with it.
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>>115040192
>Even though I did play with you, you forced me to compete in magic.

She was playing, but she had to get serious. That shows Rin's capacity far more than anything else.
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>>115039973
>Kaleidostick
When did she even get it anyway? It was said that she got it from Zelretch.
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>>115040380
So Arturia would be stronger if she became a Heroic spirit?
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>>115040420
It was created by Zeltretch. She found it in Tokiomi's stash after her mother died, then childhood trauma happened and she swore to never go near it again.
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>>115040410
That wasn't her getting serious, Rin had unleashed the same attack that could kill Berserker, but Caster easily absorbed it in her robe. Caster was just commending Rin for making her taking one step above.
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>>115027667
Fuck off back to prisma, Bagels.
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>>115040420
Zeltrech makes them.

He could probably make half a dozen if he wanted to, he just happened to give that one to the Tohsakas.
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>>115039807
I want Saber to beat me up.
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Ep1 tommorow?
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>>115026031
Is she gargling Shirou's semen on the pic?
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>>115040451
No, she was buffed to be heroic spirit or counter guardian like in order to fulfill the conditions of her contract. But she still wasn't her full potential because she doesn't have her other NP like the sheathe and caliburn which she would have gotten if she was a proper heroic spirit.
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>>115040508
She even fucking says it you denialist cunt.
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I can't stop thinking about futa Saber, that shit fucked up my mind
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>>115040645
>she was buffed to be heroic spirit or counter guardian like in order to fulfill the conditions of her contract

Bullshit. 100% bullshit. Complete fucking bullshit. Cite ANYTHING that indicates anything like that.
Artoria is weakened compared to herself from Camlann because she has to rely on the magical energy of magi.
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>>115040553
we all want that Anon, don´t be silly
>>115040599
yep
>>115040632
she knows how to please a man
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Is Arturia a futa? If not how else was Mordred born?
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>>115040707

Yes, but it was temporary.
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>>115040707
ask Merlin about it, he is a sick bastard
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>>115040707
Merlin was particularly bored that day so he gave her a dick.
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>>115040707
Merlin used magic to make her one, so yeah, at one point.
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>>115040646
No, the word 'serious' was never mentioned. reread my post, she was commend Rin for making her taking one step above.
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>>115040745
But it happened.
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psvita F/HA limited edition
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>>115040806
She said "I was just playing with you but you FORCED ME TO COMPETE IN MAGIC"

Why are you doing all you can to resist this, you stupid cunt?
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>>115040806

What's "one step above" playing? Hint: it's no longer playing.
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>>115040836
Voice patch when? ;_;
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>>115040836
>PSVita has more VNs than games
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>>115040822
Yes. There is canon futa in the Nasuverse.

Which brings up an interesting point. Is Saber still a virgin, after that?
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>>115040836
I hope someone will extract voices and add them to the PC version
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>>115040836
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>>115040913
male virginity: nope
female virginity: yes
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>>115040836
Cant wait

Got my preorder proxy in for this bonus
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>>115040913
Are there any futa Saber doujins?
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>>115039662
The fact is that she figured it out on her own from seeing it in action.

Not because she had guidance from someone else. Given time, she should be able to decipher the blueprints just as well.
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>>115040996
Less of a story, more of a 'list of cool things that happen with little to no coherency'.
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>>115040068
Medea is a fictional servant
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>>115040913
She knows how to please men.
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>>115041015

Shimoyakedou drew a few awhile ago.
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>>115040918

Won't happen unless someone figures out how to extract Vita games, and the only way that's going to happen is if the Vita gets a native hack, which will be quite a while before that happens and that will need to turned into custom firmware.
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>>115040878
>What's "one step above" playing? Hint: it's no longer playing.
It is no longer playing, but it is nowhere close to serious, since she was still being casual.

>>115040857
learn the definition of compete, it doesn't mean to have to go all out.
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>>115040913

She didnt have sex with Morgan. Morgan extracted the semen with magic.
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>>115041015
You are a horrible person, anon.
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>>115041115
Boys just wanna have fun.
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>>115039820

Azoth daggers and Tokiomi's staff and pendant were just as one-off as the gemstones. In fact the Azoth dagger was even worse, it's both a one-off and it's inferior to the gems in quality.
All the Tohsaka magecraft can do is create batteries. Rin just prefers to spend all the battery in one shot, because her capacity is tremendous.
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>>115041113
>Her true identity was King Arthur.
>She disguised herself as male and ruled as the king, but had the misfortune of dying in the subsequent civil war after establishing peace in her empire.
>The King Arthur in the story of Fate was an amalgamation of historical facts and legends. Saber's name before becoming king was Altria.
>It must be tough to live in a palace while disguising her gender.
>The greatest problem was probably producing an heir, but that was solved by Merlin through magecraft.
>In the story, the line "I know how to please a man" was from experience.
>Saber's aging process was halted the moment she pulled out the Sword of Selection. The age of her body was probably a year younger than Shirou.
>By the way, King Arthur was the Crimson Dragon that guarded Britannia.
>Saber's father Uther Pendragon produced an heir with the Dragon Factor according to Merlin's plan. As a result, Altria was born human but carried the magical power of Dragons.
>Magic Circuits were unnecessary, Altria generated mana just by breathing in harmony with the coursing of her blood. It could be called a "Magical Furnace" that was worlds beyond what mages had to offer.

>>In the story, the line "I know how to please a man" was from experience.

Sure sounds like nothing happened. Oh wait, no, it's the opposite.
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>>115040836
Is this voiced? The Saber swimming scene, the Shriou and Shinji plan to steal Sakura's diary and the Adult super dere Rin scenes are gonna be even more hilarious voiced.
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>>115040996
I prefer the battle royale structure, having 2 massive factions is a mess.
Also the powerlevels went too fucking high compared to f/sn, zero and strange fake.
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>>115040689

Because there are tons of examples servants being stronger than in life, see Drake/Queen Elizabeth, Shakespeare, Anderson. If they were using their real life ability, they would be useless.
Heroics are buffed by legends, but Servants rely on the summoning grail location.
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Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Servants, p.132

>Q: If the Holy Grail War were set in Europe, would Cu chulainn (Lancer), King Arthur (Saber), and Heracles (Berserker) be roughly equal in power?

>A: ...Well, if we’re talking western Europe in general I’d say the first two would be powered up to an equal degree... though England and Ireland, the odds would be sharply in the respective hero’s favor. Heracles would display excellent power in all of western Europe.

Fate/complete material III: World material - Record of Heavens Feel - Servant System: Difference between Heroic Spirits and Servants, p.012

Difference between Heroic Spirits and Servants
Heroic Spirits were Heroes who have left behind great feats in legends after death and become subjects of belief.
Normally, a Heroic Spirit is summoned by the world as power that protects humans.
The ones summoned by humans are Servants. However, Heroic Spirits cannot be controlled by humans, and to summon them, the Holy Grail or something with power of that sort must be used.
The Servant system of Fuyuki summons Heroic Spirits with the power of the Greater Grail. Heroic Spirits summoned as Servants are like "emanations", copies created using the information of the main body of the Heroic Servant.
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>>115041113

She did have some sexual experience with the temporary D though, considering it's how she "learned how to please a man". Whether it was Morgan or Guenevere or just the maids of camelot.
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Reminder

The etymology of "Secondaries" comes from the superior ability of these individuals to delay gratification, and thus receive two marshmallows. This ability highly correlates with success, education, health and weight control. In this context, it refers to their ability to wait for a superior release in a superior medium (anime).

>In these studies, a child was offered a choice between one small reward provided immediately or two small rewards if they waited for a short period: approximately 15 minutes, during which the tester leave the room and then return. (The reward was sometimes a marshmallow, but often a cookie or a pretzel.) In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred rewards tended to have better life outcomes, as measured by SAT scores,[2] educational attainment,[3] body mass index (BMI),[4] and other life measures.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

It is not surprising at all that bitter "primaries" who are often unintelligent, overweight, and unsuccessful at life, would attempt to turn it into a pejorative, following in the model of "normalfag"
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>>115041251

•Birth of Heroic Spirits
It's been explained that Heroic Spirits are beings that heroes whom belief has been gathered upon become after death, but heroes of myths and legends can be born by the gathering of belief even if they didn't exist. Also, there are those who those who make a contract of some sort with the world when they were alive and as compensation become Heroic Spirits after death. In the Fifth War, Hasan Sabaha was a hero that actually existed, and Herakles and Medusa are ones of legends. Also, Emiya and Altria are beings that became (or will become) Heroic Spirits after their contract with the world. Those who have become Heroic Spirits are freed from the constraints of time and are moved to the Throne of Heroes, existing to the outside of the World.

•Heroic Spirit summoning
Heroic Spirits are beings cut off from the time axis and can be summoned in any era, regardless of past and future. However, the only one that can summon the main body of the Heroic Spirits is the "world", and alas, humans can't summon the main body and can only summon their emanations, the Servants. Speaking of which, the information (souls) making up the Servants return to the main body at the same time as the death of the Servant, and the main body can know, as records, about the actions of the Servants as if reading a book.
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>>115041251
>Because there are tons of examples servants being stronger than in life, see Drake/Queen Elizabeth, Shakespeare, Anderson. If they were using their real life ability, they would be useless.

Not how it works. Drake was actually that amazing of a fighter, Shakespeare and Andersen ARE as useless as they were in life (all they can do is create a story).
You forget that people in the old days were literally stronger than people in the current era. Even as far back as the start of enlightenment, they were physically more powerful and talented because things only get worse as they get older.
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It has begun

The fujoshi pandering is beginning.

Not that I mind since this means higher sales
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>>115041302
You really suck at analogies don't you. This shit was nothing alike, and it isn't even legit.
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>>115041302

>forcing this meme

No, "secondary" comes from the Touhou fanbase as someone who partakes in the non-primary material, as the Touhou fanbase is a tremendous phenomenon and the primary material is perceived as only a small cut of it.
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>>115041221
Welcome to european grail wars.
Enjoy your stay
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>>115041310
>Speaking of which, the information (souls) making up the Servants return to the main body at the same time as the death of the Servant, and the main body can know, as records, about the actions of the Servants as if reading a book
Does this mean that EMIYA gets stronger every time he gets summoned, assuming he sees new Noble Phantasms each time
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>>115041082
Yeah, i know that, but hopefully someone will find a way
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>>115041401
Lancer x Archer is actually omnipandering.

Archer x Lancer is fujo only
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>>115041401
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>>115041401
well lancer does want to impale him, but I cant help thinking that in that situation lancer would wide up on bottom, just like in every situation
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>>115041401
I am completely okay with this.png
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>>115041466
Not so much stronger as more diverse.
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>>115041466

Yes, and he's at his strongest after the UBW route.
I wonder why Fate/Extra Archer holds back so much, on that point?
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>>115041356
No, NPs are the defining trait of Servants and their power, and they ARE buffed by legends.

>You forget that people in the old days were literally stronger than people in the current era. Even as far back as the start of enlightenment, they were physically more powerful and talented because things only get worse as they get older.
That's not the case, the regression to the age of the gods only refers to magic/mysteries and the weight of their souls. They are overall more capable, but not definitely not heroic spirit or servant tier.
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>>115041509
I've always wanted to see Bazett and Lancer getting married. Bazett in her suit, Lancer in the dress.
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>>115041401
>those added scenes are secret gay scenes with Lancer and Archer.
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>>115041466
Technically yes. Practically no.

He only really uses the ones we assume he trained with in life; Kanshou & Bakuya, Caladbolg II, Rho Aias, Hrunting...

This is of course, if you choose to interpret UBW as a linear thing, rather than an outside realm that always has had literally every blade inside it and Archer is merely discovering them when seeing them outside.
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>>115041251
>>115041575
Furthermore,
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Heroic Spirit [Concept]
Source: Fate/side material (2004-1-30), p.056
Fate Dictionary
Heroes who achieved great things in life, and became objects of worship after death.
As a "power that protects humanity", they are high ranking existences, categorically closer to elementals than wraiths.
However, whereas elementals are "power" given form using the container called human imagination, Heroic Spirits are woven from people's ideals on the inside, too.
Among the Heroic Spirits, there are those from legends, those that really existed, and those that were never observed at all. The ones who aren't worshipped much fall under the broad classification of "Counter Guardian", and are used as a mindless "Counter Force".
Of all the Heroic Spirits that appeared in the story, the only one functioning as a "Counter Guardian" was Archer.
Because the other Heroic Spirits had high divinity, and were existences closer to the planet than humanity, they were able to avoid being drafted as Counter Guardians.
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>As a "power that protects humanity", they are high ranking existences, categorically closer to elementals than wraiths.

>Because the other Heroic Spirits had high divinity, and were existences closer to the planet than humanity,
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>>115041204
>the line "I know how to please a man" was from experience.

People put too much retarded emphasis on this.

It isnt exactly fucking rocketscience, and she was the head of probably the most oversexed group of knights in the country who probably talked about it non stop.
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Can a servant being summoned in two or more wars at the same time? If two people in different timelines have the same relics and cast at the same moment the ritual what happens?
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>>115041598
That's an interesting idea. Gilgamesh accesses the Gate of Babylon using a Sword that is also the key. If EMIYA traced that, I wonder if he could get into Gil's vault.
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>>115041575
>No, NPs are the defining trait of Servants and their power, and they ARE buffed by legends.

And that doesn't apply to Saber, who is just using the abilities she had on her from Camlann. She was not buffed at all in this regard.

>That's not the case, the regression to the age of the gods only refers to magic/mysteries and the weight of their souls. They are overall more capable, but not definitely not heroic spirit or servant tier.

At the very least, the people of Gilgamesh's era was. Ionioi Hetairoi confirms that Alexander's elite cavalry were.
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Reminder that HF is shit because Lancer and Archer die so early on.
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>>115041552
Because Extra is shit
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>>115041401
Archer is in a pretty unfavorable position considering Lancer's Gay Bulge.
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>>115041699

Informed knowledge is not "experience", Anonymous. It is in fact the definition of "not experience".

>>115041717

No, the key only links to "everything you own". Wouldn't lead to shit for the man whose hands will never hold anything.
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>>115041731

>the people of Gilgamesh's era was
Nowhere state any of them were servant tier, it is the soul that is weighted and more in tune with the mysteries.

> Ionioi Hetairoi confirms that Alexander's elite cavalry were.
They were basically heroic spirits

also see: >>115041679
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>>115041777
>>115041717
Would still probably be something Archer used in life.

>brb, need to smuggle my gear, guns and ammo into a country
>trace Key of the King's Law, Bab-ilu
>thanks, Gil, you're the best!
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>>115041777
>Informed knowledge is not "experience", Anonymous. It is in fact the definition of "not experience".

What he said

You can't say "She just heard about it" when the line directly says it's from experience.
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>>115041744
What if Lancer managed to escape the gloomy dark ocean of terror? What would he have done then?
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>>115039494
Kerry was the MC we have always wanted. Calm, collected, effective, not emotionless (Eggs), is strongly driven with a goal in mind, no qualms about killing, and doesn't fall for other people's bullshits.
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>>115041911
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>>115041929
Warp-spasm
Everyone dies
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>>115041706

According to this chart, you can only summon once for each instance.

also:
>•Heroic Spirit summoning
Heroic Spirits are beings cut off from the time axis and can be summoned in any era, regardless of past and future. However, the only one that can summon the main body of the Heroic Spirits is the "world", and alas, humans can't summon the main body and can only summon their emanations, the Servants. Speaking of which, the information (souls) making up the Servants return to the main body at the same time as the death of the Servant, and the main body can know, as records, about the actions of the Servants as if reading a book.

>emanations
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>>115041744
Almost every servant dies early on i HF
Probably revenge from Rider that dies first in other routes but survives in HF.
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>>115041869
>They were basically heroic spirits

They WERE Heroic spirits. Every person in his NP was a Heroic Spirit of some form, with their own Noble Phantasms and special abilities. That's why everybody was shitting themselves when they saw it. Iskander had potentially the most powerful NP in the franchise barring Ea.
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>>115033334
Can we start talking about mollusks again? It's always great when we do that.
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>>115041929
Been generally awesome, taught Shirou how to lance bitches(in both senses of the word) and how to keep going through even the worst of shitstorms.
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>>115041731
>And that doesn't apply to Saber, who is just using the abilities she had on her from Camlann. She was not buffed at all in this regard.

No, she was buffed, the weapons on her was translated into NP.
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>>115041679
>>115041869
>accomplished great things in life
>ones who are not observed (affected by belief) are still hero tier
Yeah that proves nothing for your argument.
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