You can still kiss her during a doggy. How fat are you?
>ruining her body with child birth
Not even once but we'd try all the time, if you know what I mean.
>Yui's face when
and when she loses
Many anon tears were shed that day too. Fucking Kouki and his Macross style love triangles.
one with downs, or the autist?
Kouki doesn't even want Mana to liveWhy is he such a douche?
>Why do you think the Russian girls wins in the game?
Because we can't have nice things.
But that was a nice thing.
Here I was expecting obligatory Japanese beauty end as is usual in love triangles, instead I got unexpected Russian beauty end
and then she dies, because I can never have good things. But at least the end makes it appear she waits for him in Valhalla.
>some of the stuff most discussed on /a/
>involves incest ends
Irrelevant. TE is the stepping point age wants to use to get into the mainstream for mecha fans, and wants the same audience and consumer base that Gundam and Macross has.
How do you think logically they would canonically have Yuuya end up with his blood-related half-sister?
Seriously think about this.
>TE is actually Zeta Gundam
Then who was Char
Well, in a general view, most incest ends I've seen feel like asspulls.
But in TE, Yui never actually told him, did she? Even though she even gave him the family sword and specified it is always passed down to the master of the household, he was all "Yeah ok thanks" and didn't understand at all what she was trying to tell him.
So, hypothetically, she could decide that her romantic feelings are more important than anything else, never tell him anything and propose while wrestling with taboo.
Such an action would brand her as selfish, self-centered, manipulative, stuff like that and maybe create a backlash. But it wouldn't be the first, and certainly not the last, time the most selfish and manipulative girl "won" in a mecha anime. The Gundam fanbase is especially used to it by now.
Is there a more accurate translation for that?
More backstory as far as Yui is concerned
Because Yui is the butt goddess.
17 in TE, survival of the fittest plus whatever hormones and genetically enhanced food their getting feed and their own fitness will give them such great bodies.
But Yuimouto is pretty top tier regardless of any that.
I've always had this feeling that Yui was never meant to be blood-related to Yuuya but they decided to shove in the half-sibling story in the VN when it came out. That and the whole food thing was meant to signal Yuuya slowing accepting his Japanese side and/or was a mere coincident that Yui's cooking style matched his.
Yui lost because she didn't have a great wingman like Cryska did.
>both of their father's are coincidentally missing
>Yui happens to love cooking the same meal her missing father used to love having when he would come home
>Yuuya likes the same meal his mother cooked, because his Japanese father taught it to his mother
>Characters in the LN comment they look like siblings
It doesn't take a genius to realize the sibling plot point was always intentional on Kouki's part. They both have their dad's missing, they both happen to share the "same" exact favorite home-cooked style meal.
If they include a Yui route in the PC version, that'd be pretty boss with the incest implications.
You have weird assumptions about female friends
You have weird assumptions about Stella's sexual appetite
She's a sex fiend, little gurkhas, Japanese doorus, Italian men, half-breed bishies, Stella loves sex.
Source: Liemei and my dad who works at age.
He had a broship with Dogalu though
Your exaggerating, there were decent points in the anime. Not too mention Ono did his lines in the show and game when he was barely paid for only half the lines he voiced by age and Satelight.
It was fun, QUALITY aside, for the /pol/ tier discussions, frodo moments, TSFus, and what have you.
>H Dekinai was shit to the core
Well at least we agree on something.
Brace yourself for Shinmai Maou no Keiyakusha - it's from Hagure's author, but with some details tweaked for mainstream appeal.
I wish every anime did what that one princess anime did (in addition to another I forgot): basically a while after the anime is released, they also release an H version.
Please make this happen, Japan.
>h version of muv luv material
Good luck with that, tovarisch.
It's Princess Lover anon and the show was terrible. Tthe source material was an eroge so porn isn't that suprising.
Yup: MC is now broody about his tragic childhood, doesn't troll tsunderes with great aplomb, is younger, there's the token loli in every chap, and the fanservice has been boosted from 'above average' to 'carrying the show'.
Yui is extremely cute, but I prefer Cryska.
Was anyone surprised that Cryska won da yuuya bwls?
She tripped like a million deathflags so I thought Yui would end up with him in the end. Imagine my surprise when the VN turned out the way it did.
I see it differently. Cryska tripping a million deathflags is what confirms her victory. Since the main heroine needs to die because that's the next step in attempting to mimic Alternative's plot beats.
>begin far away from the front lines
>pilots compete in mock battles and the MC learns to handle a new machine
>MC is supposed to be the hottest shit at handing mecha, but through the mistakes he makes in his hubris he will learn humility
>they move to the front lines to attack the BETA with a new superweapon powered by poorly understood BETA xenotech
>the weapon achieves great results on its first test firing, eradicating great numbers of BETA on its first shot
>however it malfunctions and refuses to work, it has to be abandoned in the field and self-destructed as BETA overrun it
>they go home and is going well back on base until some anti-government faggots decide to start a shooting incident
>the day is saved by the Americans and their F-22A Raptors and their B-1 Lancers
>later, the hero's psychic artificial human love interest dies because she is forced to go too long without a session in the floating tank
>and now it's Ouka time!
Imagine princess-carrying the lieutenant, and feeling her perfect skin rubbing all over your arms. Digging your fingers in her healthy thighs, and her large breasts bouncing up and down and rubbing ever-so-lightly on your chest.
They seriously upgraded Yui's tits in the anime, didn't they.
She was more modest in the LN.
>>MC is supposed to be the hottest shit at handing mecha, but through the mistakes he makes in his hubris he will learn humility
Yuuya was capable of taking out multiple Raptor pilots while out-numbered with a Eagle.
He was hot shit, the problem was American TSFs are not compatible to Japanese TSFs. That was one of the sillier points of the story, that Yui expected Yuuya to automatically accustom to Japanese TSFs instantly and doesn't account for the fact American and Japanese Eishi train their whole lives for a specific type of piloting.
They did to everyone. And anime adaptions always blow up bust size's.
Compared to Ayamine, Stella, Cryska, Sharon, and most other girls in Muv-Luv? She's not that big, whole appeal for Yui was her legs/ass/hips/thighs.
A major subplot is Yuuya coming to terms with his Japanese heritage, so I thought that the next step would be falling for the Japanese girl,.
So yes, I was surprised. Pleasantly if I might add, as I liked Cryska best and there was really no need to drive the point past home.
Everyone forecasted Cryska winning with 99% of crossover appereances between TE and Alt placing Yui overwhelmingly with Meiya and Cryska with Sumika.
Not too mention her appearances on the illustrative art and promotional works with Yuuya was less then either Scarlet Twin.
It was just based off how low budget the anime was, the bad pacing, and the one real negative factor for TE being it blends all of the good and BAD elements from Extra/Unlimited/Alt into one compressed story.
LNs are good, TE Rising manga is great, VN was nice but should've had more content and the budgeting issues come into play with a lot of incomplete stuff like having to have briefing scenes overlayed in space or on the sky because they didn't have the time or money to do it the same they did in Alt.
Anime because it was low budget, badly paced, and had poor cinematography (to list one example, all those times the BETA just ran on the spot and didn't actually get any closer, or when the TSFs seemed to be firing at nothing since there was no visible impact of their shots on any BETA like in this shot towards the start of episode 13, the Grapplers are literally standing there and the Zuikakus are firing and not appearing to actually hit anything, we don't see the path of any tracers or anything), wonky pacing like how stretched-out the whole "Yuuya learns to not fly a Zero the way he would fly a Hellcat" thing was, or having two beach episodes instead of one even though absolutely nothing happened in those episodes, or four whole episodes in a row when they made you think that the BETA were right outside the base when it actually took four episodes for them to get there, or how long they spent on useless filler shit in between fighting Miku and the terrorist attack, etc.
VN because they only read a synopsis instead of reading it themselves
Yuuya actually mastered the Shiranui ridiculously quickly when he learned to stop being stubborn and hung-up over his daddy issues and actually took into account the differences in design philosophy instead of continuing to complain that the engines were underpowered or the aerodynamic control surfaces were too sensitive.
Of course he did. Yuuya is special in a similar way Takeru and Hibiki are special.
Point was, Yui criticisms were designed to be necessarily harsh and unrealistic to egg and piss Yuuya off to prove her wrong. It was reverse psychology.
Are you people actually saying that she was Yuuyas sister? That's not true is it?
Speculah since mid-way into the show, TE Spoiler Guy posted screen-caps and translated from the VN confirming.
Same dad, different mom's. Embrace all that motherly FREEDOM.
>Point was, Yui criticisms were designed to be necessarily harsh and unrealistic to egg and piss Yuuya off to prove her wrong.
Except that his idea of proving her wrong was to try and prove the entire basis of Japanese mecha design was fundamentally incorrect.
Though the point he tries to make is not wrong in my opinion, making your army's mainline machine one that is difficult to control extends time needed for training before a trainee can become competent, it raises the minimum standards that a recruit needs to meet in order to become a trainee to fly TSFs, and it increases the number of casualties caused by pilot error.
It's the difference between making a weapon intended for a soldier, and a weapon intended for a samurai.
It's actually mentioned in TSFIA later that the end result of marrying high powered American-made General Electric engines to the Shiranui's design to create the Shiranui Second was a machine that was
>nearly impossible to pilot effectively without a skilled and experienced veteran at its controls. But in the hands of such pilots, who are able to bring out the true performance of these untamed horses, become an unmatched force of nature of nearly unstoppable proportions.
In other words, in my opinion, a piss-poor choice for an extensively mass-produced flagship mainline fighter for the grunts of the Imperial Army.
No, that's the UN.
IJA gets Kagerous and Shiranuis, the Valkyries only got Shiranuis because of Yuuko's connections and political alliances. Average grunt in the UN at best gets a Strike Eagle, most of the Gekishins we saw in Alt were used by UN forces.
You know what the weird thing about the Princess Lover anime was? The main character of the anime was actually WAY better! The show still sucked, yeah, but Teppei as a motorcycle-riding samurai was way more interesting than the total faggot he is in the game.
Walkure Romanze is weird in that the protagonist of the game is basically the nicest guy ever. In the anime, he's a cypher.
>IJA gets Kagerous and Shiranuis
They only procured about 200 Kagerous in total. They still have plenty of Gekishins. Remember the Imperial Army Gekishins we see standing alongside the Kagerous when they showed up and surrounded Yokohama Base during Sagiri's coup? Or the Gekishins painted in Imperial Army gray that were rescued by Ikaruga and Tsukuyomi at Sadogashima? Or the Imperial Army Gekishin units you control in Faraway Dawn.
I didn't say IJA doesn't use Gekishins or had phased them out yet but the Fubuki was in a transitory stage to replace the Gekishin.
The average IJN Eishi is still more likely to have a Shiranui or Kagerou or vanilla Eagle then the Gekishin. Japanese UN forces besides Yuuko's Valkyries all had quasi-3rd gen Eagles and Gekishins.
Because a veteran pilot whose survived longer hours in both training and combat gets to know the inns and outs of their TSF, its movements, its performance, how to push it and when not to push it, and so on.
A rookie doesn't. Yuuya's argument was they were making it too technically complex for the average new Eishi to master.
Not everyone in your army is a veteran, every frontline fighter in muv-luv needs a mecha, have a mecha that only veterans can use effectively leads to either a lot of wasted mecha destroyed by rookie error or a frontline of veterans only that will leave you with a shortage of experienced pilots pretty damn fast.
It's fine if you do a more limited production run for your specially trained veteran shock units or spec ops forces or something. The Imperial Royal Guard is doing great with their Takemis (even if production is so slow that there's still Guardsmen using Zuikakus)
But taking a machine that you need extensive experience in to use properly and trying to make it the backbone of your forces is only asking for trouble. It makes it take longer for a cadet to learn how to use it, which increases training time and costs, and will likely get inexperienced pilots killed more easily than if they had a less complex machine.
Look how crossbows displaced longbows and changed the face of archery in warfare.
>the Fubuki was in a transitory stage to replace the Gekishin.
IIRC they're only considering it, they're not actually doing it yet.
It's supposed to be on its way out but since you don't just throw away perfectly working machines, there are still very many Gekishins in the army, they're just slated to be pulled away from the frontlines and put on guard duty instead.
IJA doesn't have vanilla Eagles man. Only Kagerous as far as the F-15 frame is concerned.
No, they are planning it and going to implement it in the near future. The Fubuki simply needs a more powerful engine and the IJN hasn't settled yet on what replacement to use.
Kagerou is a vanilla Eagle, it just has a modified OS to allow it to use melee halberds and engage in close-combat more effectively.
Its a variant of the normal Eagle made and tailored for Japanese use, no other performance difference with the normal F-15. The Strike Eagle on the other hands, is a different beast.
>Fubuki was in a transitory stage to replace the Gekishin.
You mean the Shiranui. Why would they be replacing the Gekishit with training units? And the only thing it lacks apart from the Shiranui is the fuel capacity
No, its the Gekishin.
The Shiranui is being eventually phased out by the Shiranui Second once the experimental stage with the prototype Nigatas is done being fielded by the Not-Valkyries.
The Gekishin is going to be replaced by combat ready Fubukis, which will supplement the Kagerous, Shiranuis, Shiranui Seconds (near future), and a special usage of Gekkous.
They are. According to IW, the Japanese did not have Strike Eagles, which is why the rebels were surprised American Strike Eagles were holding their own against the Shiranui.
>And the only thing it lacks apart from the Shiranui is the fuel capacity
The main thing it lacks compared to the Shiranui is being a decent fighter.
Seriously in Faraway Dawn it has less AP than the goddamn Gekishin and is only partially offset by its lower turning cost. It also has poorer HP than the Kagerou, poorer armor than the Kagerou, and poorer than the Kagerou.
To be a decent fighter it needs better engines, better fuel capacity, and better armor.
The funny part is that the Shiranuis were supposed to be replacing the Gekishins. They haven't even finished replacing the Gekishins yet and they want to replace the Shiranuis. Which leads to this situation where the Shiranuis will be replaced by Seconds and the Gekishins may be replaced by upgraded Fubukis. Will the Fubukis eventually be replaced by Seconds too?
>They are. According to IW, the Japanese did not have Strike Eagles, which is why the rebels were surprised American Strike Eagles were holding their own against the Shiranui.
No, the Japanese have the F-15J Kagerou. They do not have the vanilla F-15C Eagle. Although the F-15J is basically an F-15C with reinforced joints to support the repetitive controlled crashing that is melee combat. Both are inferior the American F-15E Strike Eagle.
That's what happens when you're a non-superpower frontline nation that's trying to create its own designs instead of manufacture American or Russian designs under license, and you can't afford to throw away perfectly working Gekishins.
>Although the Zuikaku was planned to be succeeded by the Type-00 Takemikazuchi following 2000, they remain in use by the 1st, 2nd, and 24th Guard Regiments due to the Type-00's low procurement rates.
We were talking about procurement problems. The Shiranui became obsolete before they were able to replace all their Gekishins with Shiranui.
Now imagine an alternate universe where they just manufactured the F-15J under license to replace their Gekishins.
Then say in 2002 they take up Boening's offer to buy the license to manufacture F-15SEJs.
Think of all the R&D costs they've saved compared to going with Shiranuis.
The F-15J is literally the F-15C converted for domestic use by the Japanese. You have the equivalent Eagle with the same or similar OS for melee combat used by UN and European forces as well.
The Shiranui uses parts from the Type-00C, the Shiranui 1C was never fully integrated either and the Takemikazuchis main difference in performance is due to the availability of replacement parts and avionics.
Japan literally is less organized then any major power besides the Chinese.
He was probably thinking along the lines of milfs, but that isn't bad either.
>The F-15J is literally the F-15C converted for domestic use by the Japanese.
I never denied that. But the way >>111778197 says
>a Shiranui or Kagerou or vanilla Eagle
would imply that the IJA has F-15Js which are Cs modded for close combat, as well as completely unmodded vanilla Cs operating alongside them, which is not the case. The phrasing implies distinction between the Kagerou and the vanilla Eagle on the basis of this difference.
That's the point I contended.
TE had a lot of attractive older women.
>Yui's mom (Senna)
>routes and h-scenes for all of them
TE would be the best mubrub since Unlimited.
Yuuya turns 22 between the last timeskip of a few months when Ouka goes down and he fights at Evinsk with Zhar Battalion remnants and Inia
Yui = 17-18
Yuuya = 21-22
He's 3-4 years older then her at most. In fact, he signs up to join the Army when he was underaged at 16 in 1998.
So 3 years older then Yui give or take a few months.
What fucking nationality is this guy? Because he's a top tier character
Can you imagine the sheer tightness of getting inside of Yui? Feeling her thighs clench while riding you?
Or the the softness of her ass as she bounces up and down off one's dick?
She's a walking sex bomb.
That is a trait in most Russian women I've seen in anime.
>Keep the entire world supplied with weapons
>Feed the entire resistance effort
>Take no shit from anyone, planned to blow up part of Alaska (fuck the commies)
>Have hands down, the best TSF's
>The best pilots
>Even the Japanese TSF's are modeled after the American ones
I thought this show was supposed to be "NIPPON STRONG"
>I thought this show was supposed to be "NIPPON STRONG"
But it is.
I feel kind of cheated that the RLF incident preempted the Blue Flag match between Argos and the Infinites. I was looking forward to Yuuya exploiting his intimate knowledge of the Raptor's characteristics somehow.
>Raptor has to be hacked
>Weapons systems powered down
>By American CIA and Alt V inflitrator in Walken's squad for Sagiri to stand a chance
>Kouki mocks Japanese right-wing followers and ultra-nationalists
I would have loved to have seen that. I mean, I know in the back of my head, Argos flight was going to win, because they've got plot armor, but we really didn't get to see the Raptors in action, which is bullshit
>Watch the first two episodes of this
>God damn, this is going to be grim and dark as fuck
>The rest of the show is nothing like that
I mean, I liked it, but what happened to the direction? It seems like they did a huge 180 on cute girls being eaten alive
>This is my Kalashnikov. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
The first two episodes were entirely anime-original and tonally more in-line with late game Alternative or Schwarzesmarken than with Total Eclipse.
It's like if The Shinji Ikari Raising Project had a couple of clips from The End of Evangelion shoved in at the start for no reason.
Because he's Top Gun, and also because
his grandpa, Grandpa Bridges, uses military connections with some old buddies to keep Yuuya behind the lines. And its the same reason as well why Yuuya was chosen over Leon to be the main test pilot for the XFJ project.
Uh the Infinities actively were involved in combat operations and blackworks stuff against the Soviets, so I doubt they were a pure "test flight" of trainers.
And the King of Eishi is clearly GOAT.
Are you joking? It's because he's a guy like that that he's a test pilot. Test pilots need to be the best of the best because they need to be able to handle experimental barely-tested designs and not die. They need a stronger knowledge of engineering and aerodynamics than your average pilot, and a hot hand on the stick.
Tasha is a pog.
It should be forbidden for Russian supersoldiers to be so cute.
Why doesn't Yuuya just shut up and do his goddamn job?
There are reasons the Japanese prefer this oversensitive control setup and high maneuverability - you would need those for TSFs focused on melee combat. As a test pilot Yuuya's is supposed to understanding the end user's requirements and ensure the product meets those requirements, not yell as loudly as he can that the customers are morons. As the Shiranui Second's test pilot he's supposed to run the machine through specific flight maneuvers to gather data on its flight characteristics and push the envelope to make sure the machine is working as it was supposed to.
Instead he is dead set that the Japanese TSFs are inferior, shitty, and that it isn't his fault he can't make it work but the machine's fault for being Japanese and not American.
Seriously, put yourself in Yuuya's shoes. Every second he spends test flying the Shiranui is a second in which he is reminded that he is not test flying the Raptor, just some mongrel japanese doll design.
>Point was, Yui criticisms were designed to be necessarily harsh and unrealistic to egg and piss Yuuya off to prove her wrong.
>"As someone of the same race, I find that haughty attitude unpleasant and upsetting. You are, yes... an embarrassment to the Japanese people."
If a white officer were to say to a mixed race soldier that they were an embarrassment to white people, he'd be under charges so fast heads would spin. If Yuuya were to make a formal complaint about racism, he would be justified. Furthermore, this has absolutely nothing to do with the task at hand, which is the XFJ project. What the fuck does being Japanese - or not Japanese - have to do with the flight tests?
The Shiranui Second was an attempt to upgrade the Shiranui, which the Japanese failed at doing themselves. It was a joint between not Mitsubishi, Fuji, Kawasaki, and Boeing. Which is to say, it was Mitsubishi, Fuji, and Kawasaki begging Boeing for help.
The first phase was basically a Shiranui 1C with American-manufactured high efficiency components and high power General Electric FE140-GE-100 engines to improve uptime and engine power.
The second phase was when Boeing shoved in all stuff they learned from building the Active Eagle like AESA radar, IR acquisition, auxilliary thrusters, faster mount pylons etc.
At the time he was bitching about the Shiranui, Yuuya was still flying the Phase 1 where most of the changes made were upgraded internal components. The actual airframe and overall design is still 100% Japanese.
Thanks for the laugh.
The Shiranui 1C Phase 1 was Yuuya adjusting to it after a lot of the hardware was changed. Namely not-Boeing replacing its boost engines and internal avionics.
Which saw a 15% increase in performance and a 30% increase in structural integrity and durability. Its comparable to the Type-00C at this point.
The reason why the standard Shiranui 1C didn't replace the Shiranui as even a "commander" type TSF was because it was as complicated to repair and maintain as the Takemikazuchis.
>You will never get to confess your feelings to Raptor-chan
A finky machine barely under control is a terrible design, and this is shit they should be looking to eliminate. Not embracing due to some cultural jingoism. Yui comes off looking like a nationalist zealot while Yuuya appears to be looking at things from a rational military perspective as an easier to control and pilot machine will speed pilot training, reduce accidents, and improve combat effectiveness by allowing the pilot to just fly, not worry about keeping the machine in check.
Take the Hellcat in WWII. It was an unremarkable fighter in all areas except that it was legendary easy to fly even at the edge of its performance, and rugged. This allowed even average pilots to push it safely which in combat resulted in better performance. The pilot focused on the fight, not on keeping his aircraft under control or worrying it would fall apart on him. Japanese Zeroes were repeatedly trounced by it do to their unreliable mechanicals and weak build even though they were supposed to be super super twitchy and maneuverable in a dogfight.
It would appear that in ML the Japanese learned very little from WWII.
This is also the entire point of modern fly by wire systems. If the Japanese TSF are unstable and require active pilot work to keep functional that’s a design flaw plain and simple. The control system is incompetently designed and no up to spec, they should keep the machine stable and simply allow the pilot to focus on the fight. The Japanese seem to have come to blindly accept the idiocy of requiring a pilot to fight his machine for control in some misguided “warrior spirit" bullshit.
Yui then resorts to nonsensical bullshit about how old pilots made due with worse, as if this somehow excuses the bad design. This is like arguing that we should accept a modern car without seatbelt or airbags because “old drivers survived without those”.
Why don’t you just go run at some BETA with a bloody katanah then? It was good enough for your ancestors.
>You will never have a threesome with Yuimouto and Rival chan as Yuuya
>You will never have a threesome with Meiya and Yuuhi as Takeru
This brings to mind a quote by the leading Jet ace post World War II Epstein when lamenting the switch over to 4th generation fighters with fly by wire systems:
>You are not flying F-16, F-16 flies itself from its computer. You are only one of many inputs to the computer of the F-16. Me myself, as a pilot, I need the feelings. I need to enjoy the flight, and in F-16… you miss it. It’s not exactly the same. With the Mirage every flight is enjoyable, F-16 you can have unbelievable achievements, but the feeling is not the same.
This kind of wistful nostalgia appears to be the driving force behind Japanese TSF philosophy going by Yui's nonsense about how "a man and his horse are one", so no wonder their stuff got plowed in the ass by the Strike Eagle and the Raptor in the 12/5 Incident. Too bad Yuuya got a taste of that feeling while swordfighting Yui and it gave him the strangest boner and he got addicted.
>Too bad Yuuya got a taste of that feeling while swordfighting Yui and it gave him the strangest boner and he got addicted.
He just mistook his arousal for the Nigata for his lust for his imouto.
An honest man's mistake.
The fact that Yui was flying fatass 1G fighters throughout her flashbacks which are much less overwrought and finicky compared to the homegrown Japanese Fubuki makes the whole thing much more hilariously hypocritical. She never had to master the Fubuki herself, she was trained in Gekishins, so she doesn't get to criticize Yuuya for not doing the same.
>positive traits have just as much of a chance popping up as negative traits do.
Whoever made this has no idea how genetics works.
That said, the rest of the arguments are still valid.
>It would appear that in ML the Japanese learned very little from WWII.
Because fighting against American carrier aircraft in the 40s is exactly like fighting endless hordes of alien monsters in the 90s, right?
>You will never protect Inia's smile
>you will never protect Mother Russia's smile
Most of them survived, actually. Including pic related for that matter.
She is pissed. She doesn't understand why she has feelings for Yuuya, and is still doing her "I'm going to act like a cold bitch to my best pilot because I'm betting it all on him to save the human race so I must mold him into a hero" thing.
What is lying to cover up failed power politics for $500, Alex?
>expecting people to live
So are the CGs up and available on sadpanda?
I can't believe it got delayed again,are they adding multiple routes?
Will PC add a route for Christmas cake Stella and Yui as well?
Sept. 18th, Yamashiro Kazusa (TE)
Sept. 3rd, Kajiyama Midori (Soko ni Umi ga Atte)
Sept. 6th, Tat'yana Belskaya (TE)
Sept. 7th, Tsujimura Akiyo (KgNE)
Sept. 12th, Irina Pyatkh
Sept. 14th, Kawasaki Mai (Soko ni Umi ga Atte)
Sept. 24th, Lee Linmei (TE)
Sept. 27th, Ayamine Kei
Sept. 28th, Jerzy Sandek (TE)
Sep. 1st, Oosuga Kenzou (KgIK)
Sept. 5th, Kashiwagi Kenji (Haruko Maniax)
Sept. 9th, Tsukuyomi Maya
Sept. 10th, Makabe Sukerokurou (TDA)
Sept. 13th, Sone (Soko ni Umi ga Atte)
Sept. 22nd, Lunateresia von Witzleben (Eurofront)
Sept. 23rd, Yamaguchi (TE)
Sept. 30th, Litvinenko (TE)
Sept. 2nd, Ogata Yuunagi (Soko ni Umi ga Atte)
Sept. 4th, Lou Yahua (TE)
Sept. 8th, Irisdina Bernhard (Schwarzesmarken)
Sept. 11th, Koshino Gorou (Warinaki)
Sept. 20th, Tsukiji Tae
Sept. 21st, Kusumoto Sayaka (TDA)
Sept. 25th, Touda Hiroshi (Anonymous)
Sept. 26th, Gohda Jouji (Akane Maniax)
No group D.
I don't get what this guy is trying to say.
The existence of the Shiranui came from the fact that 1 F-4J was able to take out 2 F-15s, which provided substance to the argument that Japanese Eishis need Japanese TSFs to fight with, in order to bring out their full potential.
Also, this applied to everyone around the world, since the Europeans, the Chinese, the Soviets, the Middle easterns all went on to divert away from American designs, because they know what is needed to fight the BETA. Even the Americans came up with a close combat design, but since it didn't fit in with what they saw as their combat doctrine, they went with the F-22.
Read it again then. That anon is basically saying an easy to use machine is better than a hard to use machine. And the whole reason why the rest of the world switched to melee designs is because their supply situation is crap. The US doesn't need melee as much because, just like in real life, they have good logistics. What is needed to fight the BETA isn't some kind of melee design but an actual working logistics system. Range is always superior to melee when fighting BETA.
The Marine Corps emphasizes close-quarters-combat and melee fighting skills for their Eishi heavily, going by the TSFiA and the TDA series.
Same with a couple squadrons in the US Army, like the training flight of US veteran Eishi who were some elite unit that the Infinites embarrassed because of the Raptors' stealth superiority.
The reason Americans don't put a heavy emphasis and actually shy away from modifying the OS of their TSFs or refining dedicated close-combat weapons is because the war is still an abstract thing to the US.
The BETA dominate Europe, Asia, the Near East/Middle East, hit Japan, and is being held off from entering North Africa. North America is untouched (barring a certain nuclear wasteland in Canada). So the war is approached from a detached tactical and strategic vantage.
If Canada was taken and the Northern borders of the US were barely holding, their approach to close combat would be muuuuuch different.
That's precisely the part that makes no sense. To a person who has never touched a TSF before, how can it be hard to use? Once they have learnt it, can they not move it the way they want it to and get more performance out of it? It's like you're saying since there are automatic cars and manual cars, and manual cars are hard to learn, there's no need to make or learn to use manual cars at all. However, any driver can tell you that manual cars will always perform better and fast than manual ones.
And for your other point, the US is not involved in most of the conflicts around the world. They only get involved when they have an ensured logistics trail, so its like they only fight when they can win. Otherwise, they just pull out. American Heroes are made when the pilots refuse to pull out despite orders, and continue to fight beyond the supply line.
The Marine Corps trains to be more proficient at knife level combat...which isn't the same thing as melee with a sword. It's meant to serve as a secondary attack, not as a primary attack. However, as mentioned above, at least the Marines, which are nearly the only American forces that are fighting the BETA, know how to engage the BETA with nothing but a bar of steel in their hands.
>the only American force that are fighting the BETA
Are you fucking stupid? There is a difference between something that was designed for someone to be able to use with a month of training versus something that would take an entire year to master. Do you not realize they are fighting a war of survival in which they are losing? They do not have the leisure to spend years mastering a TSF. In this situation a TSF that someone could learn to use with minimal training is for more important in saving humanity's ass than something that takes years to learn how to use. In battle, one dude would be able to use their TSF fine and survive while the other dude can barely control it and as a result, gets fucking chomped.
Misread your question. I think so, the Navy has two variants of the Tomcat not including the Super Tomcat and the Hornet.
The Marines have the Hornet/Super Hornet. And the Army has the Eagle, Strike Eagle, Falcon, and Raptor.
They don't. really exist given how they don't possess any TSFs and are relegated to high altitude observation or strategic bombing.
They exist only in name.
>In this situation a TSF that someone could learn to use with minimal training is for more important than something that takes years to learn how to use
>one dude would be able to use their TSF fine and survive while the other dude can barely control it and as a result, gets fucking chomped.
Is this guy serious? He's saying that a pilot should train in less than a month, then goes on to say that the better pilot would survive better than one who is barely trained.
Have you taken your pills, anon?
Dude, learn to fucking read. Realize that the humans are fighting a war of attrition in which they are LOSING. They do not have time to wait for pilots to master their TSFs. They need them now to replenish their losses. Again, they do not have time to waste. One TSF, an American one, takes a month to master while another one, a Japanese one, takes a year to master. To contain the BETA, they have to brought to the frontlines in six months. In six months, when they are brought into combat, the American TSF has been mastered while the Japanese one has not. In other words, one dude survives and one dude gets chomped. You get it now?
>So yes, I was surprised. Pleasantly if I might add, as I liked Cryska best and there was really no need to drive the point past home.
I didn't think much of Cryska until the Kamchatka arc, and then I started really liking her, after she thought Yuuya was reading her mind
Yui chewie is delicious
It's funny how everyone used to hate her at the beginning
>1 F-4J was able to take out 2 F-15s
I don't understand that part. The Zuikaku being able to take out the Eagle was almost a miracle born out of unconventional use of tactics. The Eagles won all subsequent matches and even in that first match it was evident that the Eagles were capable of flying circles around the Zuikakus.
>And for your other point, the US is not involved in most of the conflicts around the world.
I think you missed the part where the US Army is heavily garrisoned in frontline bases all over the world to fight alongside local forces, and the Navy's carrier battle groups and the Marines are stationed all over the world and frequently fight on the front lines alongside the locals.
>They only get involved when they have an ensured logistics trail, so its like they only fight when they can win. Otherwise, they just pull out.
There is nothing to suggest that they just drop everything and run away the moment supply lines are disrupted, stop talking out of your ass. The situation in the BETA invasion of Japan was completely untenable and even Isumi agreed that withdrawing was the correct strategic decision.
Besides, if you do run out of ammo and fuel and absolutely cannot be resupplied, falling back is the correct decision to make. Fighting without supplies is just begging to be wiped out. This has consistently been the case since antiquity.
>They don't. really exist given how they don't possess any TSFs and are relegated to high altitude observation or strategic bombing.
>They exist only in name.
The US Air Force has over 1200 strategic bombers, that's quite a bit more than "in name only". This is not counting the fact that they're responsible for the US armed forces' heavy transport aircraft.
Dude, it's not even about close combat or long range combat, it's about how the Shiranui is a bastard to handle because it's too goddamn twitchy. TSFIA#26 Heritage of Valkyries explicitly states that the Shiranui Second is impossible to fly effectively without a skilled and experienced veteran.
And in a long-standing war of attrition, skilled and experienced veterans are exactly what you don't have that many of.
Too bad Ishigaki's last doujin of TE was her getting mind-broken, with floppy tits, and turned into a rape-slut.
I'm surprised at how positively the US is portrayed in MLA. Coming from series like Majikoi or Mahouka, where the US is portrayed as incompetent at best or villainous at worst, it's actually quite refreshing.
>Positively the US is portrayed in MLA.
The US' existence and role in Muv-Luv is neutral at best, and that's probably intentional.
>US is Japan's greatest ally and greatest enemy
>Alt V supporters are primarily based and connected in the US
>Conspirators, operatives, and assassins who are Anti-Alt IV or Anti-Alt plans in general are largely used by the CIA for its own gains in both domestic and foreign affairs
>The one likable American character (Walken) does not survive past the 12/5 incident/coup arc and is killed by his own side while Japanese nationalism is shoved in the reader's face
The side material and expansion to the settings like TE and TSFiA short stories are what makes America likable.
The point was made that a locally modified lower generation TSF was able to stand on par with the newer models. The Eagle pilots were shocked at the F-4Js movements as well if you recall. The Eagles only won later through steer horsepower, but was still defeated by someone who used the TSF to its max potential, which is the core of the entire debate over American verses Japan TSFs.
>Garrisoned well behind the front lines launching hit and run strikes from BVR while the front is being held by the local forces
>True Americans in the Navy sit in TSF carriers and sortie on long range assaults on targets of opportunities, returning when bingo fuel and ammo. Potential Americans are made to fight on the front lines with the locals.
Sure, they're fighting with the locals...at about 5 mins at a time.
>Americans pulling out of the Defense of Germany when the wall came down. A-10s refusing to pull back.
>All other battles where the logistic trail cannot be confirmed is fought by non-American armies.
>Back chatter btw pilots in written stories all take about how the US and UN can't get a stick out of their ass to fight a real war.
Dude, you're the one with your head in the skies. Try viewing the situation from the viewpoint of the ones having to fight without knowing when they'll be resupplied. That's what the swords are for, to stretch out the ammo.
And can you tell me which TSF can be flown effectively at its max potential without a skilled veteran at its controls? She is only saying what every pilot or driver with a high performance machine would say. If you assume that means that normal or new pilots won't be able to use them at all, you're absolutely wrong, because in that case, the F-22 can be used by any rookie from the get go with 100% effectiveness.
>even Isumi agreed that withdrawing was the correct strategic decision.
Saying that it's correct strategically and saying that she agreed with what they did are two different things, jackass. If you called in a friend to help defend your home, and later he leaves midway through the battle cause the other side got more men than you and he's out of bullets, are you going to give him a thumbs up and say good thinking in front of the corpses of your family?
And later, when you get a few other friends to come and help take back your home, he drops by and detonates a couple of C4 without your leave, turning the remains of your home into splinters and killing off your friends and what remains of your family. He shrugs and says you weren't going to win anyway, so might as well.
>And can you tell me which TSF can be flown effectively at its max potential without a skilled veteran at its controls?
The Gekkou is stated in Continental Fighters to be an attractive alternative to the Second not just because of stealth, but also because of superior ease of handling.
>Americans pulling out of the Defense of Germany when the wall came down. A-10s refusing to pull back.
Except there is nothing in TSFIA#39 to suggest that. Everything it says regarding the matter is that the US is fighting heavily alongside the Germans to set up a line of defense and hold off the BETA long enough for the refugees to get out, and the A-10s were not there against orders but under them.
>All other battles where the logistic trail cannot be confirmed is fought by non-American armies.
Probably because the stories aren't America-centric.
>Back chatter btw pilots in written stories all take about how the US and UN can't get a stick out of their ass to fight a real war.
For example? And don't cite that thing where its said that people think "oh how typically American" regarding their tactical doctrine which only works if you can maintain the supply of bullets and relief squadrons.
>The Eagle pilots were shocked at the F-4Js movements as well if you recall.
They weren't shocked by the F-4J Kais' movements. They just noted "heh pretty nimble for a fat chicken". What they were shocked by was that one of them blocked their paintballs with a katanah and therefore wasn't 'dead' when they expected it to be.
Also you missed the part where part of American tactical doctrine is that when a unit has to withdraw to refuel and rearm, another unit is right there behind them to relieve their position, so it's not like they just give up and leave.
Ease of handling by a superior pilot. so your point is moot.
The US A-10s were ordered to pull back, not ordered to stay. They went against those orders.
Even during the Hive operations organized by the UN and as part of the Alternative plans? You will note that the ones who achieved things that were worthy of mention on the frontlines were never Americans, though they should have been fighting side by side with the locals, according to you.
And you're asking me to give an example but say don't quote those examples. Other than in Raindancers and TDA00, its in Adoration, several TSFiAs, Resurrection and the main TDA stories, Schwarzesmarken, and especially Eurofront.
And that proves that Japan should make TSFs of their own how? The fact that their local unit had the capacity to block it was part of the prove as well. And being surprised at the speed played a big part since they were expecting the performance of an average American F-4.
Then make sure you have weapons, idiot. That was the whole point of making non American TSFs that had non-ammo based fighting potential.
And you missed the part that in battles against the BETA, that doesn't work.
I see, you are scum that doesn't care what happens to your family, as long as you're alive yourself.
Both are a bad thing as they encourage zealotry.
Honor will just make you go "Ninponjin banzai" while you suicide thinking it will do anything and it doesn't even slow down the enemy, and fighting for revenge just makes you reckless and uncaring of how you may compromise your squad, as long as it means you can kill as many BATERs as you can.
Tama is my waifu.
Mine is superior.
>Ease of handling by a superior pilot. so your point is moot.
Where does it say that? It just says ease of handling. Which could apply to both an average pilot and a superior pilot.
>You will note that the ones who achieved things that were worthy of mention on the frontlines were never Americans
Besides the part where everyone respects and welcomes the Muhreens.
>Even during the Hive operations organized by the UN and as part of the Alternative plans?
How many Hive operations have we seen in detail? I can only think of Minsk (joint NATO-WarPac), Bhopal (we don't see the whole operation, just the Russians and their espers), Yokohama (we don't see the whole operation, just that faggot Takayuki and the G-bombing), Sadogashima (joint UN-IJA-COSEAN), and Ouka (everyone's in the shit now)
>The US A-10s were ordered to pull back, not ordered to stay. They went against those orders.
Show me the quote from that story where it says they were ordered to withdraw and refused. It doesn't exist.
>Then make sure you have weapons, idiot. That was the whole point of making non American TSFs that had non-ammo based fighting potential.
Yeah, swords, brilliant idea, you kill at about one tenth the speed of a gun since your reach is so much smaller and expose yourself to being latched on to by little red fuckers.
>And you missed the part that in battles against the BETA, that doesn't work.
The US might possibly be the only nation with the resources to make it work.
I'll sell her to you, half price.
That line was said by a superior pilot describing her own experience. It never said anything about how normal pilots would have ease operating it.
Hahaha. This guy thinks all Marines are true Americans...
Then your statement that Americans have been fighting on all fronts is wrong then, wouldn't it?
See the opening of Soul of the Artilleries. They Stood Their Ground.
Would a sword or knife be better to chop little red fuckers? American tactics only includes knifes to combat the red fuckers, but swords can be used effectively against, well, everything else. And you can use the ammo you saved where it really counts. You just dont get it, don't you?
Except, since it never happens at all, and they even chose to go with Alternative V and RUN AWAY, your wrong.
I you're hopelessly narrow minded.
>That line was said by a superior pilot describing her own experience. It never said anything about how normal pilots would have ease operating it.
That line wasn't said by any pilot. It was omniscient narration.
>Hahaha. This guy thinks all Marines are true Americans...
America is an ideal, not an ethnicity. The country was built on immigration. The provisional permanent residents/provisional citizens in the armed forces are American too, just as their commanding officers are American.
>Then your statement that Americans have been fighting on all fronts is wrong then, wouldn't it?
No, because being involved on all the fronts doesn't mean you're involved in every single battle.
>See the opening of Soul of the Artilleries. They Stood Their Ground.
The opening of Soul of the Artilleries had them requesting permission to hold the line and being granted it. They weren't acting against orders at all. You pillock.
>Would a sword or knife be better to chop little red fuckers?
A knife doesn't eat up an entire mount pylon to carry with you, a mount pylon that could have had a gun with 2000 more DU rounds on it.
Really the best option would be to fix bayonets on guns.
>Except, since it never happens at all, and they even chose to go with Alternative V and RUN AWAY, your wrong.
Alternative V wasn't meant to be a run away plan. They just added the run away part to pacify the doomsayers. Alternative V was meant to be the "win" button, which they tested for effectiveness and safety at Yokohama and Sadogashima.
>>Hahaha. This guy thinks all Marines are true Americans...
You're saying that just because they don't have full citizenship yet that they can't be considered American armed forces fighting under the direction of American commanders as representatives of the United States of America using American-issued equipment with American training according to American combat doctrine and flying the American flag, and at the end of their tour of duty they will go back and live in America?
Why must you say such things. ;_;
It does nothing for the overall story, it ends before MLA.
Oh how I wish Kouki would get on with writing a direct sequel to Alternative instead of working on these side projects.
>being surprised by anime character ages
Always subtract at least 5 years from their appearance and you have their real age.
More like, I had just assumed she would be in her mid-twenties, seeing as she's a lieutenant in the air force.
I guess it's my fault for assuming an anime would try to be realistic for a change.
She looks 30s, the rule still stands.
>I guess it's my fault for assuming an anime would try to be realistic for a change.
There's a good explanation for this: everyone is dead, and Yui being nippon nobility got more perks than other people.
She's a lieutenant in the Imperial Royal Guards.
Apparently there doesn't seem to be any such thing as an enlisted TSF pilot, the lowest rank of pilot we seem to get is 2nd lieutenant.
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