Is holding sword like this practical or is it solely for

If it's shounen, you are guaranteed that it's done with the cool factor in mind.

>>111228135
no.

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Same reason as holding a gun sideways

It's a legitimate fighting style

>>111228135
Backhand grips appear in some initial strikes in iaijutsu, but mostly for quickdrawing.

Unless it's a lightsaber enjoy your wimpy slashes and innability to parry properly due to the poor wrist strength of that grip.

Seriously, at what point in history did this become accepted
I know next to nothing about swordplay but I can tell this is fucking dumb.

>>111228135
He cant quick draw with the sheath on his back. Its like you fags cant into martial art

It's practical with knives but not really with swords.

>>111228430
Since some retard thought, "holy shit, what if I use this sword as a really big knife and stab people with it?!"

>>111228273
Not with a broadsword.

>>111228135
Yes, actually. Good for getting around shields or in between armor joints, but really only practical with a short blade. It's almost always just a way to look cool in anime/manga though.

>Some styles of Kung Fu, when using a short knife as a weapon, will teach students to use a backhanded grip. Most techniques from this grip are strikes or jabs with the pommel, rather than blade techniques; it's the defensive techniques that use the blade, and mostly for non-flashy disabling cuts. "Yeah, you're not using that arm without some serious surgery..." The stabbing motion with the backhand grip also uses the same action as the (karate) chop, which lends itself well to open-hand styles.
>Parrying daggers are often used in this way. As the name suggests, they're mostly for blocking the other guy's sword. And they often are more useful when held in a Reverse Grip because doing so decreases the strain on wrists (as the parrying weapon is supported with the entire arm this way), thus allowing for a firmer hold on the weapon when blocking. It's worth mentioning that NO western fighting manuals from XVI to XVIII century actually teach holding a parrying dagger in RG. But it's a common grip only to daggers itself in XV-XV Ic. manuals.
>Both swords and daggers / combat knives operate mainly by punching holes into vital organs and arteries. Slashing and chopping attacks are much less deadly and more suited to axes and axe-like falchions. A sword with at least an arm's length allows one to impale another without being touched in return, so it is used in the forward grip maximizing the reach, while using the pommel and crossguard as a secondary weapon against the head up close. A dagger or knife doesn't work at range, and the reverse grip is used to more easily reach the vital spots on the neck and chest in a brawl, as the forward grip results in much less deadly strikes to the gut and legs.
>In kenjutsu and batt?jutsu, the katana is usually held like this when wielded one-handed, since one has more control. Even then, different motions are called for; the sword is moved in arcs or figure-8s rather than straight cuts, again to keep more control of the blade.

>>111228236
>that filename
/ñ/ please go

>>111228430
>>111228486
See >>111228339
It can be used to get a very fast strike in when you don't have time to bring your hand across your body to your sheath, but you have next to zero blocking potential out of that grip.

>>111228576
>One defensive stance for a two-handed sword has the blade pointed down with the hands at about face-height; this allows for relatively quick strikes at the legs and, due to the weight and balance of the blade, allows for more efficient thrusts. (Instead of swinging the sword down to line up your thrust and then stopping the movement, you just relax and let the hilt drop towards you, and shove up and out. If you're going to be wielding a BFS for the duration of a battle, the more work gravity's doing for you the better.)

Word count got too big. Before you ask, I'm quoting my quick google search.

>>111228678
Yeah; in the fechtbuch we worked from for my high school's historic combat practical that was called "woman's guard." It's pretty legit.

>>111228632
yeah but Tatsumi's sheath is on his back so wouldn't it take more time to get it out that way than normally?

>>111228474
This

>>111228790
Nobody IRL sheathed swords on their backs for precisely that reason: you can't get a blade out of one quickly without violating some basic tenets of topology and/or anatomy.

>>111228371
Yeah, the way I see people use this style in anime and manga is the stupid way, and usually with one long blade which is the extra stupid way. It's actually useful if you stab like this with a short blade though. Creates completely different angles of attack compared with stabbing with a more standard grip that make it trickier for your opponent to deal with and often causes them to open themselves to attack on the opposite side. The flipside of course is that whichever side you're using the reserved grip on is much more open to attack yourself because you ain't blocking anything with that.

>>111228430
>I know nothing but I'm going to declare myself an expert

>>111228871
>The flipside of course is that whichever side you're using the reserved grip on is much more open to attack yourself because you ain't blocking anything with that.

You ain't blocking with the blade if you're using a dagger anyway; that's what bracers and dodging are for.

>>111228912
More like I know nothing but at least I have common fucking sense

>>111228841
That's wrong, the biggst swords had to be carried in the back because they'd drag on the ground otherwise.

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>>111228486
You wouldnt hold a knife like that either, its useless for stabbing that way

>>111229023
You're not really sheathing it in that case; you're toting it. If you have to unsling the entire thing to get your sword out, we're talking about an entirely different ballgame.

They do it in Two Worlds so it must be practical
(not shown)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWP6N6JALvA

>>111228936
I've used this with two short swords before and I block with short swords all the time, you're just not going to be able to do that with a reversed one very well. I guess if they're stupid enough to aim low on that side it might be somewhat useful, but your wrist is almost definitely not strong enough pushing in that direction to resist any real force.

>>111229078
That image is genius.

>>111228163
This. Nothing in anime should be taken seriously.

>>111228979
Except it's a real legitimate fighting style, as most of these posts are describing.

>>111229078
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_fighting#Knife_grips

Get educated.

Autism

>>111229153
>As most of these posts are describing
>Shortblades and daggers used to supplement fistfighting
>quickdraw technique which as stated is irrelevant when you put your sword on your fucking back

>>111229122
Ah; you were talking about shortswords with actual hilts. Somehow I was picturing something without a hilt.

The main point here is that the grip pictured is actually used in real fighting, but that anime and manga pretty much never depict it being used properly so you're right to call it stupid but it is still a thing.

>>111229248
Two swords, one reversed and shorter than the other is actually really nice.

>>111229179
I'd call it chuunibyou.

>>111229263
Replace every instance of "hilt" here with "guard"; I'm ultra sleep-deprived atm.

>>111229294
>The main point here is that the grip pictured is actually used in real fighting, but that anime and manga pretty much never depict it being used properly so you're right to call it stupid but it is still a thing.

Pretty much.

>all these faggots shitting on backhand knife

>>111229364
>not knowing what a knife is
I'd hate to see how you cook

Isn't this kinda like monster hunter though where everybody has the strength of ants?

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>>111229156
>-Slash- attack
> the icepick grip is frequently employed by untrained knife users esp. persons of lesser strength in an attempt to increase thrusting force
> footwork and body movements including -parrying- and deception -defenses-
>hurr i found it on wikipedia but didnt bother to read it
Not a single mention of stabbing or stabbing directed anything.

Go learn some basic human anatomy to find out why stabbing with a underhanded grip is fucking retarded.

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>>111229089
Yep. Landsknecht were always pictured toting their zweihänder.

>>111229364
>confusing a knife with a sword

You can use a backhand grip but you atleast need a shield or buckler to make up for guarding. Though back hand grip is popular with a knife in the buckler hand accompanied by a sword in the other.

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Totally practical

>>111229435
>Up until the late 1980s, the consensus amongst most martial arts experts was that the icepick grip was the mark of an amateur, and that one who chose to attack using such a grip was easily disarmed. This argument was not entirely without merit, as many impulsive and unskilled knife attacks feature a wild downward thrust in which the knife is gripped in this manner. However, many pragmatic martial artists who had actually been attacked with knives (such as James Keating) became increasingly vocal in their assertion that not only is it extremely dangerous for an unarmed martial artist to attempt to disarm a knifefighter, but in the hands of a reasonably proficient fighter (such as Eskrima practitioners), a knife held in this fashion is remarkably fluid and can deliver multiple cuts from a variety of angles simply by manipulating the wrist. Such flexibility of technique make it extremely dangerous to attempt to immobilize the knife hand by grasping the wrist, as it can quickly circle around and do damage to tendons, nerves, or blood vessels.

Spoonfeeding only goes so far, moron.

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my pupil

>>111229435
> but in the hands of a reasonably proficient fighter (such as Eskrima practitioners), a knife held in this fashion is remarkably fluid and can deliver multiple cuts from a variety of angles simply by manipulating the wrist

Go learn things, etc.

>>111229435
Are you being serious right now? Please tell me you aren't

>>111229545
>cuts
>slash
>cuts
>cuts
Still no stabbing but still a retard.

>>111229545
It's not really called spoonfeeding when you are schooling somebody anon. Otherwise all sorts of beat downs will be called spoonfeeding.

Spoonfeeding = being nice

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>>111229529
It still looks badass.

>>111229547
Maestro Avan!

>>111228135
There are certain circumstances when this is a practical grip, but overall it's an inferior method for prolonged combat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDGHKyB3T_U

>>111228135
You can make it work, but it's neither practical nor optimal.

If you look at both HEMA and Eastern styles, they all more or less use the same fundamentals (single longsword, footwork, stances, guards, strikes, etc.)

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The 1995 movie The Hunted had some bits where the ninjas used this grip. The old blacksmith said it was common to them but it probably had little to no historical basis.

Wanted to know, how practical is dual wielding swords IRL?

>>111230299
There are entire schools devoted to dual wielding, so it's practical enough as long as you're not trying to be a billy badass going akimbo with a pair of claymores.

>>111230299
>swing one sword down while lifting the other sword up
>zero downtime on sword swinging
>100% stat efficiency
I see nothing wrong

>>111229843
maybe it's fine for assassins like what they supposedly are?

>>111230299
Only success dual wielding held is Rapier and parry dagger, I don't know about axes or maces but a shield usually always preferred.

>>111230439
Given how many different ways there are to assassinate somebody, I don't think a less-than-efficient grip method with a sword is high on the list of Ways To Do That Job

>>111230454
Dual wielding swords works if you're a goddamn sword god like Miyamoto Musashi. Otherwise you're probably going to regret pretending to be him.

>>111230299
The best samurai wields 2 swords, it depends on your ability to multitask

>>111228135
Yeah but it needs to be a short sword or dagger. The fighting style is also impractical against several things that would be a non issue if you held it the other way

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There is literally NO benefit to running like Naruto does.

>>111230691
There is, just not when you are wearing camo -100% baggy clothes like him

>>111230691
I'm surprised it took this long to pop up.

>>111230691
Wind resistance maybe, at a certain speed it might become beneficial.

>>111230359
That's not what you'll be thinking in an actual battle.

>>111230644
>>111230611
>>111230454
Dual wielding with two weapons is generally a combination of a shorter weapon and a long one, or two short ones.

With a long + short combo, the shorter one is used primarily for defense.

Two short weapons are generally ones that follow physical movements much like punching, only slightly adjusted to cut.

Either way, a buckler or any shield with a weapon works well. In fact, a buckler is in itself a good weapon, especially if spiked or paired with a katar.


>>111230691
Your profile is lower and you can easily retrieve your weapons.

It does not, however, provide any speed boost.

>>111230691

I always just assumed they were running so fast that their arms did that by themselves.

My logic: I guess if your a ninja and running its best cause your hands wont get in your way or hit anything that could make noise?

>>111228236
To use muzzle jump to create a horizontal drift?

I don't think so.

>>111230691
He's trying to be like Goku.

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>>111230796
I understand. Duel wielding lances is where it's at.

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How practical is this?

>>111229438
>giantdad is real

>>111228615
>Implying 4chan isn't full of beaners yfw i'm one

>>111230796
Dual Bucklers is objectively the best set-up for a smack-down

>>111230796
>Your profile is lower and you can easily retrieve your weapons.
>It does not, however, provide any speed boost.

If you run like that you'll just fall on your face. His whole body is horribly off balance.

>>111231124
You'll give /k/ an aneurism.

>>111228135
Holding a gun or dagger facing downwards is 100% always for the cool factor. It's completely impractical and stupid to even wield one like that in real life. You leave yourself way too exposed, and you'll only ever use a dagger like that if you're stabbing someone from on top.

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I've heard some styles use it for defense but only for a shorter blade. Also if it's just a pocket knife it can be useful to punch and then bring the blade back across a face like that otherwise it's for the cool factor

>>111231124
>>111231124

There is no way this character can fight without spilling his spaghetti everywhere?

>>111231147
buckler's mainly for defense.

a sword or axe has more reach.

hooking with an axe can be done on bucklers

>>111231263
not necessarily, there are uses for an icepick grip.

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How viable is dual wielding a Sword and Double-bladed Pole Arm?

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Putting a Katana in your mouth is probably not a good idea

>>111229435
Eskrima / Arnis / Kali (I fucking hate why we can't just decide on one name) practitioner here.

Go fuck yourself. We have a whole system of Knife fighting based on this grip.

>>111231524
they are few and far between and no longer practical in pretty much any situation other than sneak attacks and stabbing from above.

Nowadays most people tend to bring guns to a knife fight, sooooo...

>>111231193
>I'm such a fat fuck that I can't lean forward and run properly
Are you fucking retarded?

>>111231600
I bet you'd still get taken down by a wild nigger who blocks that retarded shit and stabs you in the gut.

>>111230299
>Shank two niggas at once
>Shank one nigga twice

Very practical.

Jesus christ who gives a fuck is some shit is "unrealistic" or not in an over-the-top action show?

/k/ please leave your autism on your board

>>111231573

If his dream of being the greatest swordsman doesn't work out he can always go for the worlds greatest dentist.

Whatever he is doing with his teeth is working.

Spears > Swords

>>111231703
>/k/
The crossboarding between us runs deep.
I personally love /ak/.

>>111231656
Eskrima guys still have enough raw brutality in their art for them to kick the shit out of any random idiot on crack. These are the guys who took a small stick and thought "how can I really, really beat the shit out of someone with a stick?"

>>111231719
>you are now aware that the hilt is wrapped with not thread, but dental floss

>>111230691
It's easier to animate. Potential less surface area to hit. Only potentially though

>>111228790
He's basically using it to do his own bastardised version of Iaijutsu: With a sword that short he needs the extra momentum.
It's not realistic or practical, but it does make sense.

>>111231770
A sword, after all, is a secondary weapon used in closer combat.

>>111231656
I did an unarmed spar with a nigga once.

I got taken down. That big Giga Nigga body is hard to face against head on without any leverage.

On the knife spar though, I shanked the nigga. Got some clean hits on his neck and his gut. That shit is good as fatal. You don't mess with a tiny brown man who is armed.

That said, my next knife sparring partner was a french exchange student.

I got my ass whooped. Both unarmed and armed. Whoever said that French guys are fucking pansies is a fucking liar.

>>111232066
In WWII French had their capital taken hostage thanks to border shenanigans. They surrendered and America insulted them for losing after bragging about impenetrable borders. Today, French are still laughed at.

>>111228135

Maybe for one if you have two short blades and you use one for defending

>>111230299
It doesn't take you twice as long to get ad good as with one blade, it takes you four times as long.
If you do get that good,though, well, Miyamoto Musashi founded an entire school based on Nitoryu.

>>111231017
You mean breaking your wrist if you fire anything bigger than a popgun.

>>111230299
One samurai practiced using two swords. You may have heard of him. Musashi Miyamoto.

Not many others have after him.

>>111228135
No, the blade is too long, heck you need something that is half as large or even less.

>>111230299
Miyamoto Musashi was famous for dual-wielding.

>>111232490
There are still many practicioners of Nitoryu in general and his school specifically even to this day, he was just the last to reach the acclaim to be known today.

>>111231627
It only works if you're running up a slope. Regardless, no one runs like that.

>>111232529
Dual wielding was just for practicing, not for actual combat. He said that if you wield two swords well, you wield one sword well.

>>111230299
Dual wielding was a common style back in the 16th century. They would use a long sword coupled with a parrying dagger (also known as a sword breaker). It's better used against an enemy with a single sword and shield or a two-handed sword, because you can block their weapon with your weapon and stab them with the parrying dagger, or you can use the parrying dagger to snap their weapon.

>>111230691
It's a good way to work up quick launches and low profile balance. Back in high school I used to be able to lunge 5 meters in a single step and get 4 wall kicks in a vertical wall run thanks to that.

>>111231784
This.

Arnis / Kali is much less a "Martial Art" but more of a standardized way of going apeshit on your opponents and do horrible things to them that is thinly disguised as a martial art.

Bloody hell, when he asked a volunteer to demonstrate a move on, he whacked a rattan stick to my head for no goddamn reason. And during the day where it just so happened that none of the female students were able to attend, the instructor taught us knife maneuvers that easily allowed the assailant to pin down a female into easy groping and or raping position.

>>111232962
>the instructor taught us knife maneuvers that easily allowed the assailant to pin down a female into easy groping and or raping position.

Your instructor sounds like a great man.

>>111232529
When I fought that faggot he used both his sword and his sheath as weapons. Does that count as dual wielding?

>>111232764
A buckler honestly would be much more useful than a parrying dagger

>>111232962
That sounds...interesting.
Hitting people over the head is common in martial arts everywhere, apparently. My kendo instructor (jap guy but pretty hueg by nip standards) told us that when he was in highschool their instructor would often demonstrate a correct Men (=blow to the head) to class on the guy who did the worst in practice/didn't like very much for whatever reason. WithOUT the head protector/Men of course.

>>111232962
What's the difference between a raping ane a groping position anyway?

>>111232764
don't forget the shield is a weapon too

There was a time when runners leaned forward because the belief was that the reciprocating motion of the legs provided a more efficient transfer of energy to the ground. However Michael Johnson used an upright sprinting stance and it was discovered that it maximizes stride length and thus speed. I suppose in the Naruto setting if you are using chakra to provide thrust and are taking repeated hops, it might be more important to maximize the efficiency of those bursts by leaning forward for better leverage.

Dual wielding was popular with light blades until emphasis was placed on the thrust over the slash. The lunge was the killing blow and the parry and riposte became the primary mode of defense. The sideways stance was adopted to reduce the target profile.

>>111232681
>It only works if you're running up a slope.
You can run like that just fine.

>>111231419
Those are actually throwing swords.

If this shit makes you faster then why don't any marathon or sprinters use it?

Because it doesn't.

>>111234102
No one ever said that it made you faster.

>>111230299

Why have two swords when you could have a shield? Theres zero benefit to having two blades. Unless its a parrying dagger.

>>111233574
I imagine it would mainly be the position of the pelvis. Of course, I know nothing of Eskrima so I have no clue. Instead, I decided to be a faggot and take boxing.

>>111233574
He called me as a volunteer to demonstrate some takedowns on. The random rattan blow to the head was probably on account of him being a plain old sociopath.

>>111233574
It's hard to describe movements word for word here so I'll just give a really rough rundown that will hopefully make sense.

>Groping
Involves getting behind your victim by first locking her one arm behind her with the same arm you are holding the knife on.

The end result is that both of you are still standing up, you are behind the girl, one girl's arm is locked with your armed hand whereas the knife is pointed to her back. Your other hand is free to either grope her wherever you want.

>Raping
Same initial movements as the groping but rather than stopping at the lock with the knife, you go further and proceed to a hammerlock-like initiation state where you can just bring her down to her knees while applying pressure to her shoulders. Once she is at the ground, she should be in a position where her ass is presenting itself to you. At this point, you are free to pull down whatever garments she is wearing there and have your way with her. Alternatively, you can engage in a kinky spanking session.

Do note that when we were practicing this, we were all dudes. So rather than groping delicious meat and pussy, we groped man chests and cocks. And rather than some girl's peaches, we got smelly man ass.

That said, it was a very fun day at class.

It's a real stance that was used by the shaolin monks among others. It prioritizes the slash, so in a series where people have super strength and shit it is logical. Also it looks cool for the opening.

>>111234217

Depends on the context. Shields are both bulkier and heavier then a sword. It is more acceptable to carry a light blade in polite society than to go about armed and armored. For example, today someone conceal carrying a subcompact and a tactical folder in their pocket is more acceptable then someone with a long arm strapped to their back and a kbar strapped to their leg.

>>111231770
Axes > Spears > Swords

>>111234449
>Once she is at the ground, she should be in a position where her ass is presenting itself to you. At this point, you are free to pull down whatever garments she is wearing there and have your way with her. Alternatively, you can engage in a kinky spanking session.

That's l-lewd!

>>111234449
>Once she is at the ground, she should be in a position where her ass is presenting itself to you. At this point, you are free to pull down whatever garments she is wearing there and have your way with her. Alternatively, you can engage in a kinky spanking session.
This is my fetish.

>>111234564
I always thought it works like rock paper scissors, you know?
Axes beat spears, spears beat swords, but swords beat axes.

>>111234449
Now here is the important question anon.

Have you ever had the chance to use these "practical skills" you learned in real life yet?

>>111234449
/a/ - Potential R/a/pists

>>111234449
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>>111231139
Hola cabrón.

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>>111234449
>hammerlock
>google it
>this comes up.

I'm sorry I doubted you anon. From now on, I shall call this the rapelock.

It looks cool when Giant robots do it.

>>111228474
Yeah, it's way more practical with knives and daggers.

It's a possible stance. Observe.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23837370

>>111228135
Any time you see a nigga with a sward and he does not have a knife SOMEWHERE on his body you can assume whatever he's doing is some bullshit and is solely for the aesthetic

You can also assume that once he's closed range and his first move isn't TACKLE A MOTHERFUCKER whatever he's doing is some bullshit that is solely for the aesthetic

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>>111234771

>>111228135
Yes and running like Naruto makes you faster.

>>111229623
You sound like stabbing is the only viable form of attack.
Why not sever some tendons and then quickly switch to the normal grip?

>>111240296
You mean Sonic

>>111230691
Pretty sure that was explained in the show itself, the excuse being that they would be able to fling their ninja stars and kunai faster.

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>>111234771
Because banging weapons on other weapons deal damage to the wielder, obviously.

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>>111242115
>implying

Why do we get a hero with an axe or spear so rarely?

>>111234449
Are you Flip or just studying Eskirma in Flipland?

>>111228135
For a blade as long as that? Not really. There are some leading strikes you can do that way, but you need to switch to a normal grip after that. If your weapon is shorter it has uses. Additionally it does conceal the weapon somewhat, especially length, so it can be used to sneak in an attack.

the reverse grip is practical for extreme close quarters, for example, fighting in a corridor or other severely cramped space that would disallow standard movements.

>>111231572
About as viable as tying a brick to one hand and using a styrofoam sword in the other.

You'll be mindbroken without any insertion or drugs.

A reverse grip on a sword could be used for a guard like with a tonfa stick, but it's kind of situational.

With a knife a reverse grip immediately brings to mind German fighting manuals. Nowadays all knife-fighters tend to advocate a fencing grip, but back then they taught to use the reverse grip.

Since if the opponent had armor of some sort, leading with cuts might not work, so the general idea was to grapple and stab the shit out of the opponent while tussling or locking them. That way you could get into the small niches and segments between plates or into the armpits or at the neck or whatnot.

They also taught wrestling with a longsword, half-swording it. Brutal shit, bashing a head with the pommel and breaking limbs with the leverage etc.

>>111230152
they actually DID hold weapons that way but not for fighting. The idea was that you could run up to someone while hiding what you were holding and then murder the fuck out of them. It's an assassination technique, not something you'd use in combat.

>>111243278
awesome

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>>111228135
I always wondered why in many action games/anime which inculdes katana swordfighting there is always a moment when one of fighters put his sword in sheath and deliver a swing that is much more stronger than regular swing, what's the point of it?

>>111243278
>A reverse grip on a sword could be used for a guard like with a tonfa stick, but it's kind of situational.
I am pretty sure you never want to use a longsword solely for the purpose of parrying.
Use a maingauch, use a shield but for gods sake don't use a longsword

a reverse grip is good for grappling, but that kind of goes against the whole point of a sword; you're honestly more likely to stab yourself than the other guy. Infact, there are a bunch of techniques in ninjutsu for killing people with their own swords that involve forcing them into reverse grips.

>>111243514
Sure, it'd get battered and dinged, but as long as you haven't sharpened the Strong of the blade it's pretty good for it.

>>111243514
He's covered his ass by adding "it's situational".

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>>111243278
I use small knives reverse grip at work all the time. I'm kind of glad to know it's possibly viable in fights too.

>>111242167
>>111240259
You do realize this is a reference to Fire Emblem right?

>>111243573
And what's the point of destroying your sword when you can't attack anymore?

>>111243514
Say if you had your sword on your hip, and you main hand wasn't able to reach, you could reverse grip it and block with it like that in a pinch.

Drawing it properly with the same side hand would be awkward to defend with, you know. Still, very situational. More of a trick than a skill.

>>111228135

It's a strong cut but sacrifices defense and speed for power.

Only works with slashing blades and blunt weapons.

>>111243690
If the Strong is blunt, it's not going to break that easily.

Of course, I'm talking relative to sword strike, spear stabs and lunges, rather than sledgehammer blows of some sort.

Besides, it's a tool meant to be used.

>>111243644
No, because I never played it and don't intend to. It's not a genre I like.
Also, it's easier to believe that he is actually dumb because a lot of people believe that movie/anime fights are the epitome of realism (and they aren't).

>>111243767
Unless you're doing a running slice where you drag the sword, no it really isn't a strong attack. The wrist motion doesn't use any decent muscles and you can't position it properly for leverage.

>>111243503
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iaido

Overly exaggerated iaido. It still looks a little cool though.

>>111243644
Sounds stupid.
Even the fate/extra system makes more sense

>>111231017
What have you been smoking?

>>111243503
In this case it charged up his sword.

>>111243881
>Sounds stupid.
>Even the fate/extra system makes more sense

You're making it sound like Rock, Paper, Scissors is complicated.

The only way that Fire Emblem is more complex is the addition of range, and the fact that both parties cannot cancel/override the other's actions.

>>111243770
>If the Strong is blunt, it's not going to break that easily.
That's bullshit. Do you imply that if a weapon is partly broken it can't get anymore destroyed?
>Of course, I'm talking relative to sword strike, spear stabs and lunges, rather than sledgehammer blows of some sort.
You are talking about these weapons i which regard? That she can't get any duller or what?

>>111243503
See
>>111244023

Like that other anon said, people have hardons for Iai/battoujutsu. Looks cool, and is the equivalent of a quick draw.

But unless you're Sam with this rigged rifle-sheath, it really be any more effective midbattle as any other distracting flourish

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>>111244034
>You're making it sound like Rock, Paper, Scissors is complicated.
Implying it isn't

>>111244155
This wasn't fucking complicated jesus christ dude.

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blunt weapons are still superior

>>111231017
An Operatuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur

>>111230691
Actually there is
You're supposed to use your arms to manage your balance

>>111244131
You lost me before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzjfR6pjZGA

>>111244332
90% of /a/ not being able to figure it out says otherwise.

>>111243638
>maximum autism

That hold was only used for daggers and knifes to get more power behind a stab. Read some swiss manuals on that,shit gets pertty dirty in that kind of fight. All swords rely on momentum and muscle power for strikes so this example was only for show. Nips can't comprehend double edged swords.

>>111244382
Blunt weapons can take a long time to kill, whereas pretty much every bladed weapon is extremely dangerous all the time.
Pierce weapons can hit organs pretty deep so they're really great, and using a lance isn't hard.

Bladed weapons are the shit against armored opponents though, so I'd say blunt isn't superior, but the most versatile.

>>111231017

EVA?

>>111244448
Right, well the sword is generally in western schools divided into the Strong and the Weak. The Strong is the lower half, which is used for defending and leverage. Never really used for cutting or slashing, since it doesn't get the same acceleration as the tip.

The Weak is the top half and the tip, named so because trying to move something with it is difficult. It's good for attacking, but you can't for example parry with it because you're wrists wouldn't be strong enough.

Since the Strong is never used to attack, some designs had it blunt, sometimes called ricassos and shit. This allows it to be thicker and sturdier, so defending with the sword isn't as dangerous.

If that explains what I was talking about, then let's try continuing.

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>>111244332
But now you fall for it

Ex-fencer here

I guess if you're running toward something it gives you a temporary speed and evasion boost at the risk of getting insta killed because of no parrying. In a real battle it would take someone real ballsy to even attempt it but it might be advantageous in certain niche scenarios.

>>111228163
>i've never seen dragonquest

In other akamge ga kil thread someone said a spear is better weapon than a asword..how true is that

>>111244927
Longer reach, easier to handle, and cheaper to make. It's the weapon of choice for infantry.

>>111229438
Why do we never see anime about cute Lanzknechte?

>>111230299
Ask.the Koreans who defended them selves from chinks and japs alike with them. They have a 5 man formation where 1 archer is placed at the back. 2 spearmen at the sides and 2 guys either wielding 2 sabres or a sabre and buckler.
Other examples are cossacs who used hit and run tactics.
If you define dual wielding as wielding the same type of weapon in each hand then there are chinese qxe fighters who used hatchets, also chinks with deer horn knifes,hook swords and special one edged shortswords. In the west they only used 2 daggers or falchions. Otherwise you can classify fencing techniques as dual wielding since most of times they used a parrying dagger as lower gague for guards feints and fighting dirty.

>>111244927
What do you want to do with it?

Spears = high penetration, low training for a high efficiency, efficient against cavalry, a lucky shot can be an instant kill even against armored soldiers.

Swords = low penetration, almost useless against armor if you can't spend a large amount of time looking for an opening in the armor, requires more skill, more resource intensive, useless against cavalry.
You're better off using blunt weapons if your opponent has an armor.

>>111244588
>can take a long time to kill
A piece of iron to the head is a pretty fast way to kill. And if you break the guy's arm/ribcage/legs I don't think he'd still be able to do much of a stand.

>>111245249
In a blunt vs unarmored, you can expect the opponent to be nimble enough to avoid/block headshots.

If it's blunt vs armored, there's no comparison to be done since using a bladed weapon is the dumbest move ever.

>>111244697
I am well aware about the structure of a longsword, but I don't understand why you wanna use it like that asshole on the picture the op posted, just to parry.
You don't use a longsword as a defensive weapon. Even if it has a blunt part.
If I carry a sword I at least also carry a shield and if that is broken I run away or use it in both hand.

>>111244546
Japs can't understand swords at all. Their usual katanas were only usable against non-armoured targets since the sword was basically useless against metal armour. I'm not sure about their piercing power but it certainly wasn't as good as european swords.

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>>111245096
I'd a Warhammer Fantasy anime with Carroburg Greatswords doing badass things with their Zweihanders.

>>111245373
You(I think) said not to use it for parrying,>>111243514

I agree that using it solely for defense isn't a good idea, but it's not that terrible.

>>111245419
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo

>>111242930
But tatsumi gets to use a spear more often.

>>111244588
Heavy, blunt weapons are better used in medieval warfare where everyone has plate armor. You're not gonna get a good slash/stab on someone unless you aim for the joints.
Knightswords are made heavier than katanas to smash opponents more than cut them.

>>111245491
He's a retard.

>stab with stiff implement
>has more penetration than a springy, flexible implement
>be surprised

>>111245482
>I agree that using it solely for defense isn't a good idea, but it's not that terrible.
It is not a good idea for defense and it's a terrible idea of using it for defense pointy side down in the off hand.
Try it. As long you don't block a weapon directly with the edge of your sword (which is the best way to ruin it), you have not much strengh to parry.

I am not sure if we already had a thread about duelwielding in /a/

>>111245866
I never said anything about reverse grip or offhand. I said it's a surprisingly good defensive tool, if the Strong is blunt.

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>>111245913
>I never said anything about reverse grip or offhand.
But isn't this the whole purbose of this thread?
> I said it's a surprisingly good defensive tool, if the Strong is blunt.
But again, why would you use a longsword for it if only a part of it is usefull and the rest just slowes you down?

>>111246048
>But isn't this the whole purbose of this thread?
But not with what I'm talking about.
>But again, why would you use a longsword for it if only a part of it is usefull and the rest just slowes you down?
What? The Strong is useless anyhow, there's no reason to sharpen it whatsoever. Sure, you could do drag-cuts with slightly more of the blade, but it's not that big a difference.

I'd use a longsword because a it's a jack-of-all-trades weapon with which I could adapt to many situations and adversaries, especially with the added defensive value if I can parry with it with some peace of mind.

>>111244588
Actually blunt weapons were specifically used against armored opponents. They could crush plate armor that blades were unable to get through.

>>111245616
>Knightswords are made heavier than katanas to smash opponents
1. They are about the same weight.
2. If you start smashing with your knight's sword against something hard, the blade will chip, dent, bend and break pretty quickly.
Yes, even with swords forged by talented blacksmiths. Real war swords aren't as strong or as heavy as re-enactment swords used for movies.

>>111244588
>Blunt weapons can take a long time to kill
Club + helmeted head = fractured skull = severe brain trauma = dead

>>111246454
1 = blade
2 = blunt
A = unarmored
B = armored
1+A on head = beheading
1+B on head = concussion, but not death (you get a free fatality out of it though).
2+A on head = pink mist
2+B on head = broken head
Yeah, a lucky shot on the head kills really fast. Who would have thought? However, fighting unarmored opponents with blunt weapons, you're forced to do internal damage through bleeding etc, whereas bladed weapons can sever limbs, which is much faster.

>>111246317
Which is my point.

>>111246725
>1+A on head = beheading
I dare you to try beheading an enemy while fighting.
I way more difficult than it sounds

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>>111229545
I learned something from /a/.

>>111246830
Not necessarily beheading, but I dare you to find someone who can live through a sword/axe slash to the face done with the intent to kill.
Whether the head gets cleanly separated from the body is mostly irrelevant when most of your face comes off.

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>>111233209
Last Blade?

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Longswords and katanas are nothing when compared to the mighty Ulfberht.

>>111246725
>Blade on armored head = concussion, but not death
>you get a free fatality out of it
What? I think the most likely outcome with your average one handed sword is that the victim taken back for a second by the force of the blow and your sword's blade has an ugly fold or dent at where it hit.
If the helmet is worth a damn, it should protect its wearer fairly well from such a glancing hit.

>>111231017
Snake pls.
>>>/v/

>>111247278
What does the groove in the blade achieve?

>>111247323
Stiffening plate.

>>111247278
Even if it's forged to the best sturdiness of what blacksmith can offer to make, at the end of the day it's still just a sword and a breakable piece of metal.

Not to mention the other swords had equally skilled makers on them as well throughout the Europe.

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Post good fighting scenes.

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>>111247605
Remember the basics of CQC.

>>111247605
That doctor should have moved from the centerline of his opponent's attack.
He handled it upfront with unsightly brute force and with the help of the clumsiness/lack of resistance by his attackers. The doctor would have been manhandled in a real situation.

Then again that is just cheap animation.

>>111247501
*bendable

>>111244494
Knowing the type of tool you use won't end up working against you if you were to use it as a weapon.

>Autism

Sorry, dude.

>>111247790
Fine, but still equally useless for fighting when it gets to that point in the middle of fighting.
You can try to bend the blade back (assuming it didn't just flex and return by itself), but the damage is still done and it starts to get risky to keep using such a damaged weapon.

>>111247784
More like he used the guards own momentum against them, he didn't have to do much force. I do agree the guards just run into it though.

I thought they hold it like that to keep the weight near the center of the body to make it easier to move around, rather than having the weight dangling by your hand or the side of your waist

>>111247954
It was more like deflecting and countering than truly redirecting the most of the force against the opponent.
Better than blocking, but it could have been more fluid and efficient.

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Why don't you just dual wield shields? Double the defence

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>>111244927

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>>111248225

>>111228135
It's acceptable only immediately after your unsheeth your blade.

If your sword is on the right side of your waste then you can unsheeth it with your right hand pulling the sword out in front of you to create some kind of defensive barrier between you and your opponent. At that point you would want to back up and get a proper grip on the sword.

The fact of the matter is that holding a sword like that fucks up speed, range, and balance.

>>111248225
>>111248248
This pleases me.

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>>111248248

Why don't you just shoot him?

>>111248153
Well, kind off. For the first guard, he could have dodged to the left, rather than using the hand, and then make him slide but then he wouldn't have as good a footing. For the second guard he was a bit forceful, with the palm uppercut but he was fast enough to not give him time to get away or even think.

>>111248185
shields are really heavy and tiring to move around

>>111247760
I really need to watch precure

>>111248316
The best warriors and Teigu users in Akame-verse can just deflect and dodge the bullets, as ridiculous as that is.
Rule of "cool".

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>>111248316

>>111248185
Defense is not a stat IRL.
Shields are tiresome and cumbersome, but really efficient at bashing.
You don't get the same reach with a shield as you do with a morgenstern, a sword or a spear.

>>111248409
The heaviest shields normally weigh about 10 kg (scuta, for example).
Lighter shields shouldn't be too much trouble.

>>111248370
>but then he wouldn't have as good a footing
A small price for superior positioning.

10kg on the arms is not the same thing as 20 kg on the backpack. The biggest problem is that shields don't give you any reach though.

>>111248784
What with the back against the wall? The corridor is not that big. He was perfectly smooth with the first guard, it's the second you could argue, at least from my perspective.

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>>111248901
Just a little sidestep would make it easier, rather than betting it all only on smashing the opponent's hand to the side to redirect him.

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>>111248453
Don't expect that kind of fighting, though.

>>111249474
Oh I'm not, but between the webm of the guy beating the shit out of them all and the others I've seen it's just something that's been steadily moving up on my backlog.

>>111245102
I'm Korean and I never heard of this. Sauce?

>>111249474
Is this the 2004 one that came to Canada dubbed? I don't remember THIS happening.

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>>111250262
It happens in the last few episodes (episode 48?), so it's part of the finale.

>>111231600
>>111231656

Can i see you both fight IRL

>>111249474
Still better than what most shonen anime has to offer

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Which is the weapon of your choice anon?

>>111244720
>advantageous in certain niche scenario

can you give an example anon?

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>>111252286
A scythe.

>>111255247
Why are scythes even considered cool and edgy? I grew up in a rural area so to me they're a symbol of farmers and agriculture.

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Because it gives you the grim reaper image

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>>111252286
>Macuahuitl
>Oceania

>>111228236
But there's an actual reason for holding a gun sideways: http://www.quora.com/Gangsters/Why-do-gangsters-hold-their-guns-sideways

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>>111252286
Either the spear or whatever "swordspam" counts as.

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>>111235744

>>111252286
Charkram all day erryday.

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>>111252286
[x] cyborg fists